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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BushWickBill: 12:46am On Jan 30, 2017 |
petra1, The matter is simple. No need for verbal gymnastics and somersaults . Answer the question. How is tithing an "eternal principle"? Also back up with simple and concise scripture to prove your points. No weak jibes or short cuts. I'm tired of people like you who claim to be pastors weaving and worming your way out of knots you tie your "sheeple" in. Please answer the question. This is not the fake healing sagal. Our eyes can see clearly. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 5:08am On Jan 30, 2017 |
I believe in the truth, and tithing isn't the truth.. How much money is enough Mr Gombs? {John 21:15-17} And when they had finished breakfast Jesus said to Simon Peter-Simon son of Jonah, do you love Me more then these? Peter Yes Lord you know that I love you. Jesus said "Feed my lambs" Jesus asked Him the second time do you Love Me? Peter said "Yes Lord" you know that I love you. Jesus said "Tend My Sheep" And the third time Jesus ask him, do you love Me? Peter was grieved the third time and said you know all things and you know I love you. Jesus said "Feed My Sheep" Jesus said-Tend and Feed My sheep with the Word of God "Mr Gombs" And tithing money and enjoying the benefits from it, isn't the Word of God "Mr Gombs" Watch it again Mr Gombs this time listen-Glenda Jackson had seen her vision in Hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omfir6TJl58 Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 6:01am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Tithers Hmmm Haven't you tithers notice any changes happening within the Church structure over the years, more and more believers are seeking after the Word Of God more frequently, and none of you have questioned "why? You haven't noticed? More Christians are being called out of the Churches, the Lord Himself is separating the wheat away from the tares. Haven't you noticed? The difference between Tithers and non tithers? Tithers are still tithing-only because none of them seek after the truth. Tithing is Mammon and Mammon is the key to tithing and tithing is a lie from the beginning-it is a system put in place for leaders of each nation to set up a scam used to draw in more funds to keep us under a control system. Tax free with a little donation here and there, keeps Jesus and His people out-while keeping the unbelieving religious Christians in. If the world isn't pulling us "all" under their system, the Church is. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:01am On Jan 30, 2017 |
openmine: It's one thing to lie it's another thing entirely to be a liar. Your assumptions are a reflection of who you are and what you do. Not everyone is twisted like you na. I know I've butt hurt you so many times on nairaland till you got this new moniker, and my similar stance with Petra1 has been killing you adequately... But that's not a reason to slander me and another with unfounded accusations. I've been on many tithe debate threads before you decided to get an Internet device, do well to carefully throw your tantrums elsewhere. Thanks |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:03am On Jan 30, 2017 |
openmine: Brothers and sisters.. How can any sane Christian type this. Why call someone's dad or mum or son or daughter or uncle, grandparents etc "hopeless" just because you don't like tithing? And you're the Christian I should continue discussions with? See Candour, we've been on different pages with regards tithing for years... And I'm yet to see him insult vaguely and maliciously my person or much more other Christians just because they tithe. That's why I have so much respect for him, not you all who keep wanting to be relevant I have the religious section. Sir, I'm done with you. Cheers |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:04am On Jan 30, 2017 |
brocab: So, I'm going to hell for tithing, abi? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 8:07am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Gombs:Hahahahahaha..and U are a sane Christian..? so u have suddenly become a victim in d story called tithe?.. lol. ohh pls Gombs don't make me laugh Dis morning....a pot calling a kettle black? who by d way is ur brother and sister? D ones u and petra1 deceive every day with ur half baked theological teachings....? And for ur info bro,i never called anyone "hopeless",even d highlighted word is "helpless".....don't tell me U r now acting like d victim on Dis thread.....while U and ur oga keep insulting people up and down....U folks haven't seen insults....by d time,many Christians' eyes of understanding are open 2 Dis day time fraud aka tithe is an "eternal principle", U and ur mentor will run away from nairaland....lol 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 8:17am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Gombs:U see I admire candour and I respect his vast knowledge on d tins of d word....but don't tink 4 one second dat most of ur jibes havent gotten 2 him... d truth is dat U Gombs want people 2 be calm while U dish out jibes and insults yet U expect odas 2 be calm....how thoughtful....bro pack well....U and petra1 are just d same...evading questions, throwing jibes,insulting wit unnecessary memes only 4 U to turn into a helpless victim who did nothing wrong or cannot hurt a fly....Lol... 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 8:30am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Gombs:"Gombs come ohh....come and see" said petra1 ....Hahahahahaha..... Bro Gombs....I have come 2 expect this from u and ur mentor.....always d victim and Neva accepting responsibility for Ur actions.... ....and no...this is my moniker....OPENMINE...I don't hide under Anoda moniker 2 deceive people or give out jibes just 2 mock d same Christians U call "brothers and sisters"...if folks on d thread can take a stroll from the first 2 d last page,Dey will notice how U consistently dish out insults 2 Christians like U who seek d truth.... I once called U out 2 plead wit U 2 stop d insults dat everyone was here 2 learn....and ur response? dat "I sud mind my business,after all am not insulting U" Let people here be d judge not U....but even without saying,Ur insults are all over d place...."Always d victim"..."tithe is an eternal principle"...Hahahahahahahahaha.... wat a joke! 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 8:42am On Jan 30, 2017 |
BushWickBill: Some one told me some time ago that when these tithe preachers on nairaland get questioned about their tithe beliefs,they turn it into a question directed to U (If they dont know wat to say) thereby taking U away from the initial question... this is done intelligently without any one noticing... at the end,they will never answer that question and wen the heat is on them,they snap and start dishing out insults and making a mockery of ur defense or submissions.... when U decide to pay them back in their own coin,they turn into helpless victims ......So easy to notice their pattern 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 2:49pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
Read the truth Mr Gombs hell is standing at your door-just waiting for you to enter in-your message about tithing does not obey the word of God.. "Yes" watch and learn what the prophetess said Mr Gombs- All tithers after money Mammon more then God will not see the kingdom of God. Mr Gombs {Mammon} belongs to the world.. And the Word Of God belongs to God. {Mark 12:16} Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar-and give to God what belongs to God. You can't worship both Mr Gombs-one or the other? And you Mr Gombs have proven over and over which of them you worship more then the other. {Mammon} {John 17:-15-17} I do not pray that you should take them out of this world, but that you should keep them from the evil one, they are not of the world, even that I am not of this world. Sanctify them by your truth,. Your Word Of Truth.. Gombs: |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 7:59pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
BushWickBill: The kingdom of God runs on principles . And these principles transcend dispensations . They are revelations of God. either revealed in the law or before the law. Tithes, offerings , prayers ,alms, honoring parents , worship, etc are practice based on spiritual laws. So you can say you believe in one and demonize the other . Non tithers usually claim thy only give offering and not tithes because tithe is under the law . When we Made them know that both are mentioned in the law. They came against offerings also . What about ,other spiritual principles such as prayer ,fasting ,alsms for the poor, honoring your parents etc. if you do all these which were also mentioned in the law . Why don't you tithe as well . So my point is that the fact that something is mentioned in the law. Doesn't mean it's not applicable , some of Gods principle are revealed in the the law . But these principles existed before the law. Also back up with simple and concise scripture to prove your points. For example the law says Don't worship idol ,honor your father etc. will you worship idol because the law says don't? Will you dishonor your parents ? If everything contained in the law is not applicable just because the law mentioned them why would Paul be quoting the law to the gentile church like Ephesians Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise [/quote]I'm tired of people like you who claim to be pastors weaving and worming your way out of knots you tie your "sheeple" in.[/quote] I never said I'm a pastor When did I tell you that? Please answer the question. This is not the fake healing sagal. Our eyes can see clearly. Explain 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 8:14pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
petra1:You still haven't answered his question....give explicit scriptures where it is written that tithe is an eternal principle that was applied before and after the law.... ...If U say Abraham tithed before the law because it was a "eternal principle",we can as well claim that burnt offering or burning of incense or circumcision was also a spiritual or eternal principle since it was done before the law.... 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 8:20pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
Gombs: Take am easy bro 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BushWickBill: 9:31pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
petra1:Baa baa black sheep. Have you any wool. Regurgitated dust. Keep this your yarns. Trust you to overstate your importance with needless jargon I'm not sure you know what a principle means. principle ˈ/prɪnsɪp(ə)l/ noun 1. a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning. "the basic principles of justice" By the definition above you are yet to tell us what the "eternal principle" is. You have yet to tell us how Abraham arrived at/discovered the said principle. Because certainly a one-off occurrence (never mind what that wet behind the ears toddler Gombs says) is not enough to validate it as an "eternal principle". Furthermore you keep doing yourself and other folk who pay attention to you a huge disservice by insisting tithing predated the law by virtue of Abraham. Because that occurrence with Melchizedek DOES NOT tally with injunctions given by God himself as regards tithing. You know this but you refuse to admit it. You also forgot to mention what Abraham did with the 90%. You conveniently skip that part because it does not suit your argument. Because the items Abrahan "tithed" upon didnt belong to him originally or had blood on them. Things that would never be allowed to be offered to God in the first place by definition in the Law. So how then can you brazenly say that tithing was before the Law when your reference doesn't match a laid down criteria? A zebra always had black and white stripes even before it was named a zebra. If it had spots before you called it a zebra and assumed the stripes afterwards then you would struggle to convince people that it was a zebra prior to the change in its characteristics. But I know this analogy is going to fly over your head because you sant it to. Calling Abrahams sacrifice to Melchizedek a tithe is a lie to the essence of what it was defined to be. Ogbeni joe agbaje I know it's you hiding under the petra1 moniker. Your style of writing is exactly the same. Hence I refer to the HIV healing scandal. I'm not even going to debate the rest because they are utterly irrelevant. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BushWickBill: 9:36pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
openmine:Lol. Leave the charlatan to keep deceiving himself. We can also add circumcision too as "eternal principle" since it existed befire the law or is circumcision now mandatory to be saved? Even if we give him and his mickey mouse mascot teenager till eternity they will never prove what that "eternal principle is". 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:31pm On Jan 30, 2017 |
BushWickBill: By the way when I changed my moniker . It wasn't secret . I opened a thread on it. Empty barrel. Abeg , Next person pls? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by plainbibletruth: 12:04am On Jan 31, 2017 |
petra1:By "eternal" do you mean that before time and creation of man tithing existed? In other words, what do you mean by "eternal "? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 12:05am On Jan 31, 2017 |
brocab: Sir, I need a yes or no. Am I going to hell because I tithed? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 12:06am On Jan 31, 2017 |
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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 12:13am On Jan 31, 2017 |
Gombs: I remember the story of the young man who thought he killed Archilles and was celebrating. Until Archilles showed up . . . . It became wo mi 'n wo é. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 12:16am On Jan 31, 2017 |
petra1: Don't mind these newbies. See why I don't hesitate to set them straight? Unlike them who dubiously hide behind new monikers and feel great about themselves. You know why they keep saying we're teammates (remember we were once accused of being same), it's because we are the only tithers willing to waste time with these folks. Haven't you seen we've been repeating ourselves and they keep changing posts 1. Tithe is a law 2. Tithing was of war spoils, did you go to war? 3. Tithers will go to hell 4. Melchizedek did this, Jesus said that 5. Jacob' tithing was.... 6. Tithing isn't monetary 7. Etc Leave this thread now and watch it die faster than any possible thing 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 12:16am On Jan 31, 2017 |
Gombs: Pride and pride...who did U put to order?.....keep deceiving Ur self...smh |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 12:17am On Jan 31, 2017 |
petra1: Yesso.. Me too was surprised. See him forming jagaban na 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 12:19am On Jan 31, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: It means as long as other biblical principles applies to the church such as prayer. , worship ,offering ,tithing also does . 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 12:19am On Jan 31, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:Getting an explicit answer from him is like asking "a cat to swim"....No b today matter ohh... 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 12:25am On Jan 31, 2017 |
Gombs: Hipocrates don't really know they are one . You know why? Every man is righteous in his own eyes . That's why I ask . Supposing you're wrong . Have you ever thought about this. I expect them to open the Bible and speak but rather . Na so so yab yabis . And insult Oo. So tey . Even angels left them saying " we no dey o. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 12:35am On Jan 31, 2017 |
petra1:And that's ur reply to tithe being an eternal principle? Thank God for the bible...The level of deception in the church today is alarming...!! 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 12:47am On Jan 31, 2017 |
openmine: If you can't take the "eternal ". Kindly take the "principle " we have derailed the thread enough. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 12:55am On Jan 31, 2017 |
petra1:bro Petra1....am glad U know we have done so cos that isnt meant to be the subject of this thread.... Though i dont intend to derail this thread any further,but really wanted to know where U got Ur beliefs from....Just to learn(seriously) Unfortunately,U made reference to what cannot be found in the scriptures....and most of ur replies or responses,with all due respect, have either been evasive or weak.... U even equated it with prayers and worship which i find insulting to God simply because U intend to squeeze in tithes...haba U have stated consistently that tithe is an ethernal principle or what ever you intend to call it.... Now All am simply asking is for you to tell me where it was stated in the bible which U also have....and while U are still looking for it,show me why burnt offerings were not also included since it was also a pre-tithe.... 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 4:56am On Jan 31, 2017 |
Please explain? Was the law for the Jews or was it for the Gentiles too? {Acts 15:1-8} And certain men came down to Judah and taught the brethren, unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, You can not be saved. Therefore when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, They determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others to go to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders about this "question" {The question is' do the Gentiles come under the same law of Moses? "No is their answer" the Gentiles don't come under the Mosaic law of Moses, this covenant was made between the Lord and the Israelite's only} {Leviticus 26;46} These are the degrees, the Laws and the regulations that the Lord established on Mount Sinai between Himself and the Israelite's through Moses. Lets continual with Acts and listen closely. So being sent on their way by the Church, they the disciples passed through Phoenicia and Samaria describing the conversation of the Gentiles, and they caused great joy to all the brethren, and when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the Church, and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. But some of the sect of the Pharisees rose up "Saying" It is necessary to circumcise them {Gentiles} to command them to keep the law of Moses. Now the apostles and the elders came together to consider this "matter" And then when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them, men and Brethren you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the Word Of the Gospel and Believe. So God who knows the heart acknowledges them, by given them the Holy Spirit, Just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. {Meaning by faith alone, we Gentiles received the Holy Spirit, not by works of the Law of Moses} {V 10} Now therefore why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear. But we believed that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they. {"This means, the Gentiles are all saved by Faith without the law or with the law, its our faith, that saved us.} And while the multitude kept silent, Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through the Gentiles. [V 24} Since we have heard that some who went out from among us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls saying, you Gentiles must be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses, for we the disciples gave no such commandment. But Mr petral and Mr Gombs have troubled us with words unsettling our souls saying the Gentiles must keep one of the Mosaic Laws, Moses gave on Tithing. Which of course we all know Moses came to a conclusion that a tithing system was necessary for the Nation of Israel. Which didn't apply to most that followed after the Mosaic law, the law stated those who owned farms and ranchers were responsible to pay tithes, followed by the Levites. And who wasn't called to tithe? None of the hired men. {Leviticus 11:9-12} Fishermen did not tithe, {Deuteronomy 8:9} The mining industry was not called to tithe, {1 King 5:7-12} The lumbers didn't tithe. {1 kings 5:13-18} The men who quarried stone didn't tithe. But tithe were not extracted from people who worked in those trades. Handicrafts nor from any form of manufacturing or Merchandising, they were all immune from tithing including all those in the Military and of course the Government workers, are you listening Mr petral-None were called to pay tithes. The ranchers and the farmers paid tithes to the Levites who then paid a tenth of their tithes to the priest. This is as far as the tithe went, not even the priest paid a tithe. petra1: 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 5:39am On Jan 31, 2017 |
You can't see the answer? How much money do you need Mr Gombs-before you seek after the truth about God. Gombs: |
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