Ugosample:
No need for all these dick measuring contest.....
Covenant has done verry very well, and they are ranked amongst the best 10 unis in Nigeria which is no fluke.
.But comparing with federal uni tho...... I don't know much about that .

We have to give honor to whom it is due, Covenant don try.

Well if you say so, thanks. Which is why i explained what necessitated the post before the points!!!

SonOfEl:


Whatever the OP posted was simply a LONG but SHALLOW info with the intent of self masturbπtion and glorification.

Public Unis have been here and even gone farther....I won't dignify this shallow compilation with e.g UI's long history of quality research come rain come shine...it has always been rainy for these public uni yet they manage to PRODUCE some of the worlds best alumni and also, some of the most cited researches in academia.

You are just like the op's compilation - long but shallow.

LONG AT SHALLOW YET IRREFUTABLE!!!

keyanZuzer:
Life don spoil O. You mentioned bez as a notable alumni. These are notable alumni from ui
John Omoniyi Abiri
Sadique Abubakar, Chief of Air Staff
Chinua Achebe, author of Things Fall Apart[8][9]
Adiele Afigbo, Nigerian historian, the first person to receive a doctoral degree in History from a Nigerian university
Jacob Ade Ajayi
Claude Ake, Professor of Political Economy, international scholar and social crusader
Stephen Adebanji Akintoye[10]
Grace Alele-Williams[11]
Elechi Amadi[8][9]
Alexander Animalu, BSc (1962, Mathematics), PhD (1965, Mathematics); Emeritus Professor of Theoretical Physics; Nigerian National Order of Merit Winner (2000); Director General, National Mathematical Centre, Abuja (1999–2001); President, Nigerian Academy of Science (2001–02); Researcher, Cavendish Laboratory, University of Cambridge (1962–65); Research Scientist, MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA (1972–76); Research Associate, Stanford University, USA (1966–67)
Emeka Anyaoku, former Commonwealth Secretary-General[12]
Kayode Are, former National Security Adviser and former Director General of the State Security Service
Ladipo Ayodeji Banjo
Senator Robert Ajayi Boroffice
J. P. Clark[8][9][13]
Segun Toyin Dawodu, MD, JD, MBA, LL.M, MS, a physician, attorney, academic, and entrepreneur who established the first website[14] on socio-political issues of Nigeria.
Kayode Fayemi, former Governor of Ekiti State, Min of Solid Minerals
Chukwuemeka Ike, writer
Amadi Ikwechegh[15]
Abiola Irele[16]
William Kumuyi, founder and General Superintendent of Deeper Christian Life Ministry[17][18]
Eddie Mbadiwe, Member of the House of Representative
Epaphras Denga Ndaitwah[19]
Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani[20][21]
Femi Osofisan, writer
Christopher Okigbo[8][9][22]
Isidore Okpewho
Olufunmilayo Olopade[23][24]
Akinyinka Omigbodun[25]
Michael Omolewa, former President of UNESCO General Conference and Ambassador of Nigeria to UNESCO[26]
Kole Omotosho[27]
Gamaliel Onosode[28]
Niyi Osundare[20]
Ken Saro-Wiwa[29][30]
Wole Soyinka, winner of the 1986 Nobel Prize in Literature[8][9]
Martin I. Uhomoibhi[31]
Farida Mzamber Waziri[32]

Loooooooool even Saro Wiwa (Respect) dey there. Always endeavor to read posts very well before commenting. Once again you've proven me correct. See the attached pic.

LarryBeryl:


You are right, he ranked CU above all Federal Uni. That's what is false.

No I didn't. To start with, UI is ranked higher than CU at the moment.

I gave clear, sound, verifiable reasons why CU is the better performing of the two at the moment (10 of them for that matter), which none of you have successfully refuted!

Statsocial:
The reason why CU graduates more first class is because the enrollment criteria is only based on Merit while public universities are based on Merit, Catchment and educationally disadvantaged areas

Lol, you dey vex but you no fit answer the strong questions wey I raise for academic standard!

Statsocial:
The reason why CU graduates more first class is because the enrollment criteria is only based on Merit while public universities are based on Merit, Catchment and educationally disadvantaged areas

That's so true. I never even thought of that before!

wow!!! ten reason, guess it might be more than that CU is value for money while others can be measured due to GOVERNMENT negligence, but GIVE IT TO THE OAU,UI,UNILORIN, they are the bedrock of what we have now in NIGERIA.

TheVictorious:


I clearly gave proofs to drive home my point; verifiable ones for that matter. So you don't think he should do the same for the points that he just raised to counter my point

Your proofs are skewed in a particular direction. You can't set the rules if you are truly seeking unbiased opinions. Some counterpoints to your argument aren't verifiable online but does that mean they don't exist?

You are cheerleading an academic institution. It is therefore expected of you to adhere to academic norms and practices. Even though you are confident of your hypothesis, you are academically required to lay out all the facts. Not just those that favor your hypothesis, otherwise your research and analytical credibility will be cast into doubt

TheVictorious:


1. Endeavor to read carefully. I did mention Elsavier Scopus and Research Gate
2. TRUE before they moved to an institution that has better facilities and working environment for their academic work and pursuit
3. Read again; I didn't say that. I used a hyperbolic expression
4. They make you like to. It is called influence. Majority of new students find it disturbing anyway. No I haven't you'll do well to tell about them.
5.Sure
6. Kindly explain what you mean by overall experience and how it affect substantial indicators university ratings
7. I will appreciate if you provide more areas that are verifiable. The PRESSID has 3 editions making the assertions I made statistically correct until you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that if that PRESSID event or a similar one to it holds again OAU and UI will beat CU.

But on researchgate, UI has the highest RG scores of the 3,meanwhile RG scores is in the decreasing order UI>OAU>CU

TheVictorious:


Stop making a general statement. Post link that everyone can verify!

I should post a link of what I benefited from in my 4th year? Please, you're allowed to narrow minded. It's totally okay.

SonOfEl:


Yet it still from these unis that you lobby for "2000 professors" to lecture in your beloved CU.....SMH

I should be asking you the question. The theory and practical training are there in the public uni, its just that the funding for consistence are inadequate. Yet they still manage to produce graduates who can compete ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYDAY....not your "daddy-mommy" school.

Of course the do but with what facility. So you agree that they are under-funded and they still do their "practical" and theory anyway; no point for argument!

olaabe:


Employment at paper shuffling and empty managerial roles. Most of what we call jobs in Nigeria don't require a degree.

How many of their researchers get to do post doctorates in tudelft for instance. Na yam.

Oh My! So to be a Pharmacist, Med Doctor, Auditor, Lab Scientist, Accountant, Dentist e.t.c does not require a degree abi?
If there is any job in Nigeria that does not require a degree then it certainly must be so in Foreign countries.

benji93:

But on researchgate, UI has the highest RG scores of the 3,meanwhile RG scores is in the decreasing order UI>OAU>CU

RG score is distributed in order of quantity of research. For example Harvard has a higher RG score than Caltech but Caltech is currently the best university on d world on Times Higher Education
Young universities tend to have lower cummulative RG score or quantity of research. You hv to understand that UI has a whole lot of research papers from the 1900s which CU can never have because It was created in 2002. However, the good news for CU is that most Ranking experts only regard publication scores from the past five years because with each year going by some research papers become obsolete. E.g a research work on "digital storage media" would probably be a ground breaking research in d 70s but would be completely irrelevant in 2017.

TheVictorious:

1. You didnt bother to read, yet why are you commenting. Does that make you sensible or not
2. How much does TETFUND and the FG give CU.
3. Comical
4. The usual rant of an OAU student that is oblivious of facts.

Like I stated in the post: "Don't attack persons or the institution; attack every raised point with verifiable facts"

Wow!!! Am seriously impressed with you guy. I would love to go to convenant also but fees are too high. I appreciate your post, points and claim and very impressed with how you argue with this intelligent nairalanders. What course are you studying in CU if I may ask and which level are u?

sanchos9607:


Your proofs are skewed in a particular direction. You can't set the rules if you are truly seeking unbiased opinions. Some counterpoints to your argument aren't verifiable online but does that mean they don't exist?

You are cheerleading an academic institution. It is therefore expected of you to adhere to academic norms and practices. Even though you are confident of your hypothesis, you are academically required to lay out all the facts. Not just those that favor your hypothesis, otherwise your research and analytical credibility will be cast into doubt

Well, he did compare objectively for the first few points tho. As regards the credibility of his claims, there are few independent organisations which rank based on some of his Lai out out points and you can seek their methodologies out for yourself. Webometrics for instance ranks the relevance of academic journals across the globe. Currently CU is second to only UI in Nigeria. Times Higher ranks teaching, international outlook, research, citation and industry partnership. So most of his claims are infact verifiable if you seek out these methodologies.

kristian98:

Wow!!! Am seriously impressed with you guy. I would love to go to convenant also but fees are too high. I appreciate your post, points and claim and very impressed with how you argue with this intelligent nairalanders. What course are you studying in CU if I may ask and which level are u?

You should check there maybe a Scholarship scheme(check David Oyedepo's foundation) . We would love having you in CU too.

Duru009:
Federal university is still the best... .

One of my friend with just a Bsc holder, is heading a department in one of the private university. You can't try that in a federal university ...........

I know the schools I mentioned in this post and it (CU, Landmark, ABUAD, etc.) cant be any of them.

AZeD1:

Not really, most recent grads are still trying to get jobs/raise a family alumni issues would be the last thing on their minds. Also the higher number of students means more people, so the logistics of getting them together is actually harder.

Its easier to coordinate a group of 5 than a group 20.

Then what is the point of having such large numbers they can't manage?

SonOfEl:


Have you seen the CVs of professors and doctors from public uni? Most of them did their masters or PhD abroad.... Tell me something else.

Have you seen those of CU??. post those of your school and let me post those of UI and let us compare.

Also google the names of the tops management officials (VCs, DVCs, Deans, etc) of OAU, UI and CU and compare them - at least they're publicly available online for these three schools.

TheVictorious:


Go and tell Caltech that. Oh Nigerian students, please celebrate what is good and criticize what is bad. It's like you guys don't want the self-inflicted suffering in federal varsities to end!

Tell the OP the truth. This superiority claim of his is premature.

valeroso:



This point is ignorant and at best, myopic. Several federal universities have summer exchange programmes. You can choke on your glorified secondary school all you want. Bullshit.

Post pics or links please. If I had not do so for that of CU, you would not have known!

Statsocial:

You should check there maybe a Scholarship scheme(check David Oyedepo's foundation) . We would love having you in CU too.

Sent you a PM. I have some questions

TheVictorious:


Have you seen those of CU??. post those of your school and let me post those of UI and let us compare.

Also google the names of the tops management officials (VCs, DVCs, Deans, etc) of OAU, UI and CU and compare them - at least they're publicly available online for these three schools.

Are you these itchy for a dick measurement? My God! I would never ever try to prove the obvious. You guys indeed have a complex.

SonOfEl:


You are going too far.

Is the product employable?
Is he or she innovative?
Is the product relevant in today's business environment?
Does the product compete favorably with other from other reputable universities in the world?

So its not about "alumniCEO"...., Its about productivity and societal relevance.

Which year did jonathan or most of the people you mentioned graduate Do you know why Harvard is the best? Don't you think is just reputation because rankings are arrived at by considering performance of at most, "5 previous years from when the ranking are done" from when they are done. This brings us to the question I raised again: "what happened to the tens of thousands of graduates these schools churn out every year since the past 10 years?"

YES!!!

Federal Universities in Nigeria are TOO corrupt!!! About Half of my classmates just graduated after paying lecturers. Then, those that didn't 'SORT' were victimized!!!

Nigerian Public Universities ARE a 4ucking shitload of pitiable and mediocre eye-service dumpsites.

To all the young swagging 1st class lecturers perpetuating corruption in our Schools,... GO 4UCK YOURSELVES TO DEATH!!!

SonOfEl:


I will give you just three quotes:

" necessity is the mother of invention"

"A smooth sea can never make a great sailor"

"When the going gets tough, the tough gets going"

Digest it and learn.

Bro, much respect. The fact that fed uni graduates/students don't have access to good laboratories, lecturers hardly pay attention to us (they just drop their notes often times and will still set standard exam questions) and yet we still compete excellently well with students/graduates of private unis is enough to clear all these arguments. Despite all the troubles(strikes n all) we dey try abeg.

SonOfEl:


Are you these itchy for a dick measurement? My God! I would never ever try to prove the obvious. You guys indeed have a complex.

Oga just prove it. You have nothing to lose. We will agree once you prove us wrong. Its very simple. Its also not an inferiority complex. Alumni from ivy league schools for example always try to prove why their own school is the best. Its nothing new please. Thanks.

TheVictorious:


Of course the do but with what facility. So you agree that they are under-funded and they still do their "practical" and theory anyway; no point for argument!

They being underfunded does not mean they don't still engage into research. Its rather the low budget ones. Despite these, they still prove their mettle. There is a difference between "underfunded" and "unfunded". Really, are there people that think like you? Too bad.

SonOfEl:


We can also say CU is no match for fed uni because of the timeline of their own achievements e.g between 1948 to 1968, or 1960 to 1980.in which as at the time the dream of a CU was not even conceived.

Funny isn't it? See eh, we don't judge by timeline, we judge by sustainability. As underfunded as UI, OAU, UNN, etc are, they still manage to emerge as reputable schools in African category. Wait until CU experiences its own storm and wilderness before you rightly adjudge, okay?

What happened to consistency. When university performances are measured, they are judged based based on performance for a specific period of time - usually not more than 5 years from when such performances are evaluated!

Statsocial:

RG score is distributed in order of quantity of research. For example Harvard has a higher RG score than Caltech but Caltech is currently the best on THE.
Young universities tend to have lower RG score or quantity of research. You hv to understand that UI has a whole lot of research papers from the 1900s which CU can never have because It was created in 2002. However, the good news for CU is that most Ranking experts only regard publication scores from the past five years because with each year going by some research papers become obsolete. E.g a research work on "digital storage media" would probably be a ground breaking research in d 70s but would be completely irrelevant in 2017.

There are different rankings , top university offers quite a good ranking system too(i wont recommend shanghai ranking, because it over relies on end results(awards)), but, when you get to the graduate level, the choice of school becomes based on department, rather than the school in its entirety.Each school has its strengths.On some rankings, harvard bests caltech for the overall ranking, likewise for some subject rankings including physics.Different rankings use different methologies, for instance top universities uses number of citations/paper and h-index as indices.Mind you the indices span the last 5 years.So the issue of whcih university predates which does not matter.Even for THE though caltech is higher overall, in the specifics:citations and research,the results are fairly similar for both top university THE, harvard bests caltech in both.I rest my case for that.The RG scores does not only consist of the quantity, but it constitutes the quality as well:the number of researchers your paper has impacted.But regarding RG scores,you might be partially right abt covenant coming in a mould, CU has a higher RG/publication than the others, but most top universities have low RG/publication as well. However UI has a better international outlook(more papers being read by foreign researchers).I guess in this regard time will tell.

SonOfEl:


They being underfunded does not mean they don't still engage into research. Its rather the low budget ones. Despite these, they still prove their mettle. There is a difference between "underfunded" and "unfunded". Really, are there people that think like you? Too bad.

Go back again and read what you posted that prompted my reply. You agree that they are underfunded but still continue to do practicals anyway - What will therefore be the quality of such practicals. With what equipment do they train the tens of thousands of graduates that they continue to turn out every year

SonOfEl:


They being underfunded does not mean they don't still engage into research. Its rather the low budget ones. Despite these, they still prove their mettle. There is a difference between "underfunded" and "unfunded". Really, are there people that think like you? Too bad.

the funds made available makes a lot of difference bros.