Draxler:
Oga just prove it. You have nothing to lose. We will agree once you prove us wrong. Its very simple. Its also not an inferiority complex. Alumni from ivy league schools for example always try to prove why their own school is the best. Its nothing new please. Thanks.

ilynem:

Simple question. An institution run by government and one run by an individual, which is supposed to be better? In a sane environment?

SonOfEl:


Are you these itchy for a dick measurement? My God! I would never ever try to prove the obvious. You guys indeed have a complex.

TheVictorious:


What happened to consistency. When university performances are measured, they are judged based based on performance for a specific period of time - usually not more than 5 years from when such performances are evaluated!

SonOfEl:


Tell the OP the truth. This superiority claim of his is premature.

TheVictorious:


Never start what you can't finish. I always put forward points I can defend but all you do is simply disagree due to fear of facts (bitter truth). As such, it's better to just pass without commenting than to degenerate to fallacies to bail you out!

TheVictorious:


Your opinion. Rejoice for we have noticed you!

I'm the OP by the way.

kristian98:

Wow!!! Am seriously impressed with you guy. I would love to go to convenant also but fees are too high. I appreciate your post, points and claim and very impressed with how you argue with this intelligent nairalanders. What course are you studying in CU if I may ask and which level are u?

Statsocial:

There shall be no storm in Jesus Name. CU is owned by Jesus himself and has no other place to be but on top.

valeroso:



I should post a link of what I benefited from in my 4th year? Please, you're allowed to narrow minded. It's totally okay.

benji93:

There are different rankings , top university offers quite a good ranking system too(i wont recommend shanghai ranking, because it over relies on end results(awards)), but, when you get to the graduate level, the choice of school becomes based on department, rather than the school in its entirety.Each school has its strengths.On some rankings, harvard bests caltech for the overall ranking, likewise for some subject rankings including physics.Different rankings use different methologies, for instance top universities uses number of citations/paper and h-index as indices.Mind you the indices span the last 5 years.So the issue of whcih university predates which does not matter.Even for THE though caltech is higher overall, in the specifics:citations and research,the results are fairly similar for both top university THE, harvard bests caltech in both.I rest my case for that.The RG scores does not only consist of the quantity, but it constitutes the quality as well:the number of researchers your paper has impacted.But regarding RG scores,you might be partially right abt covenant coming in a mould, CU has a higher RG/publication than the others, but most top universities have low RG/publication as well. However UI has a better international outlook(more papers being read by foreign researchers).I guess in this regard time will tell.

benji93:

But on researchgate, UI has the highest RG scores of the 3,meanwhile RG scores is in the decreasing order UI>OAU>CU

micxwell:

Lol, and fed unis are owned by the devil. Funny guy

SonOfEl:


You are indeed juvenile.....

You are too premature to downplay UI, UNN, OAU, etc.

Boast among private unis..... There is no accolade your CU has gotten that public uni have not gotten and still does not get.

Statsocial:

Well, he did compare objectively for the first few points tho. As regards the credibility of his claims, there are few independent organisations which rank based on some of his Lai out out points and you can seek their methodologies out for yourself. Webometrics for instance ranks the relevance of academic journals across the globe. Currently CU is second to only UI in Nigeria. Times Higher ranks teaching, international outlook, research, citation and industry partnership. So most of his claims are infact verifiable if you seek out these methodologies.

Statsocial:

Lol you have taken this thing too personal o. I would suggest you just move on. OP made his point if you want to refute such claims you should provide ur superior arguments. No need for name calling.

Statsocial:

Of course fed unis are not owned by the devil but CU was created to glorify God. If CU is continually relevant many would come to seek education and would also find Jesus in the process.

SonOfEl:


Thank God you know..... What happens to CU if by any chance they suffer underfunding? At least govt can still put v their school on "life support". Harvard get most of its fundings from govt, though its a private school. I am watching the tenacity of your CUs " consistency.

sanchos9607:


Your proofs are skewed in a particular direction. You can't set the rules if you are truly seeking unbiased opinions.

Some counterpoints to your argument aren't verifiable online but does that mean they don't exist?

You are cheerleading an academic institution. It is therefore expected of you to adhere to academic norms and practices. Even though you are confident of your hypothesis, you are academically required to lay out all the facts. Not just those that favor your hypothesis, otherwise your research and analytical credibility will be cast into doubt

sanchos9607:


His research may be verifiable, but he hasn't gone out of his way to prove the possibility of counter research that nullifies his claims.

Someone incontrovertibly mentioned on this topic the availability of academic works in those government institutions, which are not available online. The op had made no attempt to acknowledge their existence, neither has he attempted to gauge their value as a counter to his argument. This puts his research credibility in doubt.

Statsocial:

And CU is funded by one of the wealthiest Churches in Africa. This year alone LFC has reserved 1.6 billion naira as its own developmental stakes in CU. The idea of CU's sustainability is rooted in its Research/Industry partnership. We simply fund CU to the point where any kingld of research can be conducted there then indigenous companies can come around and pay for its patented products. E.g there is currently a pawpaw beverage factory being built in Ogun state. The pawpaw beverage came as a direct research product for CU. Currently, CU is going to start selling its custom made electric cars to the Ota environ. We are also converting waste product into fertilizers, papers and electricity. So do not worry about funding. Afterall Afebabaloa uni does not have church or fg backing and it is still doing remarkably well than all state unis in Nigeria

TheVictorious:


Someone must set the rules for every argument to proceed. You are simply assuming that if you had set the rules you would have beaten me. Set the rules for your own argument and watch if I won't beat you to it. Mind you, to set the rules you still need to make claims that must be backed by tangible and visible validations. If not, you would be trying to force me to accept opinions of your mind. Even if I do under such condition, it still wouldn't hold true!

At the bolded very true and when they are not, there is no basis to draw any comparison you can only speak based on the information you have and leave what you don't know (I did mention that in the post. Didn't you read it? - pic attached). In case of information that are not verifiable online, I uploaded pics to back my claim which is what you must consider doing - otherwise, no point commenting. You can't refute my points!

SonOfEl:


Do this assignment for me if you REALLY want proof. After all, you are the one itching for it.

1. Go to their university website, check their staff profiles.

2. Request for convocation booklets of these unis e.g UI, UNN, etc. Check their staff resumes.

If you discover they don't have foreign trained academics, then come back and EXPOSE ME


Seriously, THERE IS NOTHING TO PROVE. you just want to measure up.

SonOfEl:


At all....your dear OP actually took it personal. I have nothing to lose if CU becomes the best in the world.

Points? Maybe to you, not to us. We have weighed the points and discovered that they are shallow. I acknowledged CUs conducive environment, but using that as a sign of superiority over UI and co...? that's premature.

If you notice, he is the one struggling for burden of proof. Am just cozily posting my opinions and submissions.

CU is too premature to be considered superior to UI, OAU, UNN, etc. Am complaining that with 500k am broke, you are rejoicing and making noise because you just earned 500k.....that's the perfect scenario dude.

lonelygem:



are they not thesame people we have as friends and loved ones? we chat and interact with them on daily basis. so shameful majority of the so acclaimed CU graduates can't even express themselves correctly in the use of English. Their masters students often consult undergraduate students of federal universities to teach them complex analysis (300 level maths 328).

tell us the reality and base your finding within our common environment.

are you aware those schools are well influenced internationally? securing a visa to travel to any country is much easier for you than as a professor of a federal university. these are measures put in place by the founders to make the university much attractive and the substantial fees justifiable.

last last, in the area of employment, when I look at the number of SGPs and SATPs we had during my involvement in oil and gas sector, about 10% are actually from these conventional universities. The truth is that, we have smart and brilliant students in our federal universities who to some extent, pose a direct threat to chances of securing a job by graduates from schools like CU. By this They are left with no option than to capitalize on the institutional or parental influence.

How does this answer the questions my point on academic excellence raised or even refute that point and many other points

heayernu56:
To those supporting federal universities, how many private universities have you visited... can the laboratories in the federal universities compare to those in afe babalola uni., convenant uni., e. t. c.

In federal universities, you struggle to learn rather than "learning in a conducive environment"(then tell me, why won't there be higher pass rate in the private unis.). Just take a visit to covenant university and you will see that, all that is left of most federal universities is their name.

Statsocial:

Do I need to list the number of universities that are barely 50 yrs of age in top 200 in the world. CU's ambition is to be top 10 in the world in a few years. We've marked out the necessities to do that, we've studied the Ivy leagues for years, we've dispatched almost all of our researchers to top ivy leagues to understand how they do it. As Oyedepo would say "being excellent is not magic but a result of constant dedication to hard work" we know exactly what to do and we would replicate and do it better-we've already employed two Nobel laureates, expanded our PG school to fit THE standards, Continually funding High Impact research, we already met the criteria for international outlook 5% foreign lecturers and 5% foreign students. We are optimising our processes and we are gunning for the best. All lecturers are currently mandated to go through their PHD hence almost all lecturers are either Professors/Associate professors or Doctors. If UI is willing to ride to the top with us they are very well invited. Remember CU was around 10-20th best uni in Nigeria and was not worth THE ranking some five years ago but today we are already comparing our research work with that of uni of Capetown and Stellenbosch uni. CU is rising and there is no stopping it. This may be our first year of appearing on THE but we are very sure that we would surpass UI and even Makerere uni to take the top 4 unis in Africa.

sanchos9607:


SIR. I'm not refuting your points. I don't need to. The onus is on you to provide every possible pro and counter to your argument. Your failure to do so has cast your research in doubt.

When putting forward research for peer review, it is ridiculous to throw open counterarguments to the same public you're trying to convince of the veracity of your hypothesis. It makes you look half baked. I'm sure this isn't how CU teaches its researchers to lay out their work. Otherwise it would mean you have singlehandedly proven CU isn't an academic institution worth its salt.

TheVictorious:


Don't mind them joor. Majority are afraid of facts!

sanchos9607:


SIR. I'm not refuting your points. I don't need to. The onus is on you to provide every possible pro and counter to your argument. Your failure to do so has cast your research in doubt.

When putting forward research for peer review, it is ridiculous to throw open counterarguments to the same public you're trying to convince of the veracity of your hypothesis. It makes you look half baked. I'm sure this isn't how CU teaches its researchers to lay out their work. Otherwise it would mean you have singlehandedly proven CU isn't an academic institution worth its salt.

Draxler:
OP and everyone else on his side, we are wasting our time arguing with these people. Let's go out into the world and dominate, work hard and achieve greatness. Those actions will speak louder than a million words that we will type on nairaland.