prettyboi1989:

read my post slowly and help me identify where i mentioned school and church

What you typed was in reference to what happened in the sch.. .was it not?? .

Imstrong:
cu is the educational arm of the ministry indirectly an extension of the ministry,the same law applies, they set their rules as they deemed fit in line with their vision how can you subject a private institution to public laws? Have you gone through their rules and regulations and their core values? These are the requirements the students are all aware of and penalties applicable upon violation, do you know cu rank above most federal universities? What's the difference.. Standard, they can't compromise on it. The rules governing private institutions are a bit extreme compared to public institutions that's why it's private and faith based at that

BLOOD OF JEZEBEL. Ogbeni, you can sign away your fundamental human right. it's impossible. you can't enter an agreement with someone to kill you, the person will still be punished if caught and he presents a thousand of those documents.

uzolexis:


Do you know what "fundamental human right" is? Right to life, right to religious freedom etc. These are basic human right which should not be violated. Your football team and choir examples don't make sense cos they are not violating any right. You get

Beautiful woman, please just go and rest because you have tried. Leave those who have refused to use their brains. This post makes me conclude over 80%of Nigerians are dull. Being a medical doctor doesn't stop me from understanding simple logic applied to constitution.
The op even sited previous cases that were judged based on his argument yet people still do not understand.
A good case occurred against Chelsea fc few seasons ago when they were to play against athletico madrid at the champions league semi final. Courtoise(Chelsea's goal keeper) was playing for athletico on loan that season. Based on the written agreement (which was signed by both football clubs) courtoise shouldn't play against Chelsea (his parent club)..
The written agreement was overruled by UEFA(the governing body) since such rule isn't in their own constitution.lo and behold courtoise played against his parent club neglecting the contract they signed

For this country, na only talk we sabi talk... In a normal setting, the school would've been sued by parents or guardians, even before the students got their suspension letter.

@Uzolexis, you don try big time....my siggy says it all.

Damn!

So many "they signed up for it" comments. Even though the post clearly states the legal basis for the illegal actions of CU.

It shows that many many Nigerians are stark functional illiterates! Including most that went to school. They can only speak and write English. They can't fvcking think!

Same way they could only lament that banks were rejecting the country's legal tender just because it was slightly torn.

No wonder the government violently fvcks us on a whim. We don't know our rights!

The way they deal with students there is hilarious. University students, gives dem slaps like dey re sec school students, suspend dem for frivolous n pettish reasons all bcoz na church get d skool.

All d discipline is not wht will mk d students born again na abi coz i cnt pretend nt to xstand d church's angle buh itz gettin too much

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No need saying all those things, we all know in Nigeria once u have ( MONEY & POWER) do as u like. Their is no LAW for those that are in d class of FIRST CLASS citizens in Nigeria.

uzolexis:


You are the one exposing your ignorance here cos the guy is 100% right, if there is a conflict between the terms and conditions of an organisation/institution and the Nigerian constitution, the constitution comes 1st and according to the constitution freedom of religion is a right for every Nigerian. If these students take the case to court, they will win hands down.

Yeah, they will win.

After 5 years in court.

That counsel is not wise.

Let each student produce their strong reasons before the school panel, otherwise hold their peace and serve their punishment.

Reading through the legal submission I am tempted to believe and to say that it is an error on the part of government to have approved establishment of religion-based institutions. The implication of this is the assumption that any student admitted to a faith-based institution belongs to that particular faith and the student has no choice than to obey the rules and regulations of the school. The failure of public schools has led the country to some illegalities we are witnessing in the private institutions.

OP, are you one of the suspended students? If NO, why take a pill for another man's head ache? If yes, are you not aware if the core values of the institution before accepting the offer?

If you are pained, please go to government owned university where you won't attend even classes and nobody will disturb you. Worst is that you won't write the exam. Have you heard about SIM CARD? Thats the core values of covenant university. Stop ranting.

Is it the Nigerian constitution that pays their bill or equip their laboratories? Is it the Nigerian govt that brought to Nobel Laureate to come and teach in the school?

If you cannot change it, change yourself for it.

I'm a graduate from a federal university so don't think I'm support CU because I'm one of them.

Anyone that is pained should go and set up his own institution and allow students to do as they like?

Let me remind some people of this Nigerian senator who married a 13 year old girl and people said it was child abuse.

He said according to his religion Islam, it is acceptable to marry a girl of such age. And since Nigeria has accepted Islam as one of the religion, anything he does under the instruction of the religion is constitutional.

Can you read that again?

bezimo:
It depends on how you see it.I hope the Management of the school reconsider their stand however one must understand that CU is not like a conventional university, it's a faith based institution with a vision to instill discipline in her students among other things.

Religion seems to operate only on our reptilian brain. It switches of critical thinking of the neo cortex and triggers aggression, fear and basic instincts. This is the only reason I can see for people defending barbaric acts of religious authorities and people are ready to commit suicide or murder and lie for their religious beliefs.
CU is a conventional university and not a faith based university. It was given a license by NUC to offer conventional degrees and not faith based degrees. It collects fees from the public to offer services of providing university education to the public - both Nigerians and foreigners. It cannot and I repeat cannot impose its religious views on anybody. If a Muslim or even an atheist meet all criteria for admission, it cannot be refused admission based on religion alone. It would be violating both the Nigerian constitution and the international charter on freedom of religion which Nigeria is a signatory of.

I understand students sign an undertaken to adhere to all rules, regulations and instructions as determined by the school when they are admitted to the CU.

You understand wrong. All universities give students an undertaking to adhere to all rules and regulations when they are admitted into universities, that does not give universities blank check to make rules and regulations that infringe on the liberty, rights and dignity of its students. Any rule and regulation that is inconsistent with our constitution is null and void.

So why would a student sign an undertaken to adhere to school rules and flagrantly disobey it...there will be problems and repercussions.

Maybe the students did not read the undertaking in the first place or maybe they read it but know that the contentious parts of it are null and void.
I doubt covenant university will put compulsory attendance of all religious activities or compulsory conversion to a winners church member in their handout. If they did, they would be legally implicating the institution as violating the constitution and hence their condition of license.

enairaprof:
Let me remind some people of this Nigerian senator who married a 13 year old girl and people said it was child abuse.

He said according to his religion Islam, it is acceptable to marry a girl of such age. And since Nigeria has accepted Islam as one of the religion, anything he does under the instruction of the religion is constitutional.

Can you read that again?

It is a nauseating habit that Nigerians always attempt to defend one illegally with another perceived illegally. Instead of presenting sound arguments, they justify one crime with another crime.
The Nigerian senator was wise to exploit loopholes in our constitution, he did not technically break the constitution. The constitution and even the marriage act did not provide a marriage age in Nigeria, what it provided for is age of consent. So unless you can prove that Senator Yerimah slept with his new bride before the constitutional age of consent, you have no case.
Furthermore the constitution muddled the legal pond further in Section 29 (4)(b) which specifies that “ any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age”
So you cannot use the Senators marriage of an underage girl to justify CU's breach of the constitutional rights of its students.

awoluyi:
Reading through the legal submission I am tempted to believe and to say that it is an error on the part of government to have approved establishment of religion-based institutions. The implication of this is the assumption that any student admitted to a faith-based institution belongs to that particular faith and the student has no choice than to obey the rules and regulations of the school. The failure of public schools has led the country to some illegalities we are witnessing in the private institutions.

I doubt these universities applied for licences as faith based universities. They applied for and were given licences to operate standard universities giving out regular degrees. They only behave as they like after obtaining licences.

Afrokan:

In developed countries where humans live and not zoo Animals, your parents can be arrested for maltreating you.

That is the problem we are facing today in this Nation, WE ARE GOING THE WAY OF THE WEST leaving behind our rich culture!

Afrokan:

In developed countries where humans live and not zoo Animals, your parents can be arrested for maltreating you.

don't get it twisted, they're not maltreating the child, only punishing. There's a difference between the two

enairaprof:
OP, are you one of the suspended students? If NO, why take a pill for another man's head ache? If yes, are you not aware if the core values of the institution before accepting the offer?

If you are pained, please go to government owned university where you won't attend even classes and nobody will disturb you. Worst is that you won't write the exam. Have you heard about SIM CARD? Thats the core values of covenant university. Stop ranting.

Is it the Nigerian constitution that pays their bill or equip their laboratories? Is it the Nigerian govt that brought to Nobel Laureate to come and teach in the school?

If you cannot change it, change yourself for it.

I'm a graduate from a federal university so don't think I'm support CU because I'm one of them.

Anyone that is pained should go and set up his own institution and allow students to do as they like?

Please state the private university you attended and course of study, so I can gauge your level of reasoning, because you talk like someone who attended more fellowships than lectures.
You are talking as if CU is a charitable organization like living Faith church and that the students are not paying for the services being offered by CU.

prettyboi1989:
mumu talk, u for kuku talk say rules and regulations enacted by an organization to be enforced within the organization are all null and void since the constitution is the supreme law. you might aswell say that the rule that allows a boss to fire a nonchalant staff should be disregarded. did they dig dis guy's brain and sense out of a septic tank? cos to me its full of shiit

actually,im wit u on dis.they knew it was xtian skul before going there.and every organisation has rules,that wud have been since its inception,so if u dnt like,u take oda alternatives.but bros,why do u have to be so mean and harsh?,i dont see how he deserved that.

willjoe:
I didnt bother to read ya epistle. CU is a private institution., so you know what you signed for when you sought them, afterall they didnt force u to come to the varsity. Abide by the rules ya'signed in for. Say no more!

You're so wrong.

All rules within any organization, even when people freely sign up to it, must be in alignment with the Constitution.

If the rules are not challenged, there may be no problem. But they become null and void the moment they're challenged. This is what the issue is all about.

So stop insulting the author.

felaismyhero:
actually,im wit u on dis.they knew it was xtian skul before going there.and every organisation has rules,that wud have been since its inception,so if u dnt like,u take oda alternatives.but bros,why do u have to be so mean and harsh?,i dont see how he deserved that.

Are you people deaf (blind) or simply unable to comprehend written English; Covenant University is not a Christian school, it is a Nigerian university owned and run by a Christian organization.

TerrorSquad147:
don't get it twisted, they're not maltreating the child, only punishing. There's a difference between the two

If you hit a child to the point of leaving behind a temporary or permanent scar, it's termed to be Abuse of which the child would be taken away from you and you would most likely be convicted for assault

abouqi:


They have the right bro!
Ask them to check students' handbook, ask if they closed their eyes while signing at their resumption in CU?
Straight forward case? Barrister, don't waste your time n energy on a useless case

If you are still talking about handbook after all these explanations, then you can't be help, your ignorance is irreparable.

wirinet:

Are you people deaf (blind) or simply unable to comprehend written English; Covenant University is not a Christian school, it is a Nigerian university owned and run by a Christian organization.

drlaykay:

Beautiful woman, please just go and rest because you have tried. Leave those who have refused to use their brains. This post makes me conclude over 80%of Nigerians are dull. Being a medical doctor doesn't stop me from understanding simple logic applied to constitution.
The op even sited previous cases that were judged based on his argument yet people still do not understand.
A good case occurred against Chelsea fc few seasons ago when they were to play against athletico madrid at the champions league semi final. Courtoise(Chelsea's goal keeper) was playing for athletico on loan that season. Based on the written agreement (which was signed by both football clubs) courtoise shouldn't play against Chelsea (his parent club)..
The written agreement was overruled by UEFA(the governing body) since such rule isn't in their own constitution.lo and behold courtoise played against his parent club neglecting the contract they signed

daveP:
@Uzolexis, you don try big time....my siggy says it all.

Guys, it's very tiring and frustrating. I can't believe that adults can't seem to comprehend something this basic, it baffles me seriously.

Akainzo:


Thus the question is, which of the Fundamental Rights is being violated:

Religious freedom: The students had declared themselves to be Christians ab initio and are not being forced to adopt a new religion or being forced to practice a religion they do not profess.

Right to Life: No comment.

Right to association: Not an issue but if you couch this incident as their freedom not to associate with others at Easter, then I'd ask agin, would being suspended at work for not attending a meeting be a violation of the freedom of association?

Freedom to Shelter: No issues.

Freedom to aspire: No issues too, Unilag dey.

So WHICH of the fundamental human rights is being violated?

The right to religious freedom is being violated. You know there are different sects of Christianity right?? They are entitled to practise their religion in their own way again as long as they are not violating any laws, if they decide they don't want to pray at that time or the way the church/school practises Christianity is contrary to theirs they should not be punished for that. Remember, the constitution is against punishment for someone exercising their fundamental human right......there, case closed.

Aspireahead:

BLOOD OF JEZEBEL. Ogbeni, you can sign away your fundamental human right. it's impossible. you can't enter an agreement with someone to kill you, the person will still be punished if caught and he presents a thousand of those documents.

lol you are taking it to far if you guys are not happy with what is going on in the institution and other private institutions you can encourage the reps or senators from your constituencies to sponsor a bill reducing the powers or prohibiting some of their standards you find offensive,but for now all the best and it's nice sharing our opposing views, one love.... Peace.. I rest my case

prettyboi1989:

bla bla, i just punched a hole in the guy's article, if you cant read inbetween the lines, dats ur problem, deal with it. he lost his stance of illegality about the school's action by saying any rule or law outside the constitution should be disregarded. thats senseless in itself, he might aswell go work work for a company, engage in shady deals and expect not to get fired because he feels the rules governing the company doesnt affect him because it isnt the constitution. thats outright hogwash, balderdash and bullshiit

It's obvious you don't even understand english sef, yet you are quick to insult others. He said any rule that is "in contradiction" with the constitution is null and void. He never said any rule "outside" the constitution is invalid.
The constitution has made provision for freedom of religion & worship for every individual.
CU's rules contradicts this. That's the point the OP is trying to make.
Please learn to read and understand before hiding behind your computer screen to hurl abuses at another.

If God can forgive us our sins then why cant we humans forgive too, the best option was to forgive them and tell them to go and sin no more, GBAM.

Afrokan:

Do they have the right to behead the students for not attending mass because it's in their handbook?

Only Catholics attend mass, protestants attend service. Keep Catholics out of this, thank you.

This is a simple matter.
The op cited cases with references but the problem with some Nigerians is over sabi... read through his cases.
From his post, he made a sound argument but everyone is claiming to know the law more than lawyers.
Thirdly CU has no right to enforce a one year suspension for such IT IS A BREACH OF THEIR BASIC FUNDAMENTAL HR. lemme explain. For those shouting they signed an agreement ab initio attesting to be Christians, do you know there are different sects even in Christianity?? meaning different beliefs. Forcing people to attend all your church programmes is tantamount to FORCEFUL conversion hence the breach. It is called extremism.
CU is NOT a faith based institution, it is a conventional institution as it offers conventional degrees not otherwise...
From the above point, note there is a difference between a rule and a law...CU has rules which is the equivalent of an agreement subject to our laws (constitution).
Furthermore if it's truly about preaching, why collect offerings and collections from such students at such programmes??
Please don't argue the law with lawyers especially those that have given citations. Take time to read those cases he listed.
If they go to court they will win. it might take time but they will win and the school will pay millions in damages individually if they win...