intruxive:
Go and ask south sudan if they came back from the north with their property or if they were allowed to remain, ode. You want to eat ur cake and have it, u dont even know what is secession

pazienza:


Go and find out if Southern Sudan are in any bit interested in forming a new Union with the Northern Sudan, no matter how bad their present condition might be, they have a bright future, because they have freedom and so have their destiny in their hands to make or mar!

Freedom is priceless. For a person used to living in a failed British colonial estate, I don't expect you to understand that.

bakynes:


... only the miscreants and illiterate ones who follow kanu blindly are the ones just shouting ... .

intruxive:

Someone says you guys only watch africa magic, by this your comment you have proved him right.
You dont know what is happening in south sudan at the moment you are calling it freedom. I hope that is the type of freedom you guys want, that is the worst country on earth at the moment (google is ur friend)
But that wont be for long, because biafra will soon replace it

pazienza:


Go and sit down! As bad as South Sudan is, they are not missing their Northern Sudan Arab wannabe tormentors, non of them want to go back to being one country with Northern Sudan.

Moreover, Southern Sudan has not one-hundredth of human resources available to Biafra.

Southern Sudan is also a multi ethnic country, Biafra is going to be a strictly Igbo nation, any other group that want to join must only join after terms and conditions of their union with us have been discussed.

The only place in Nigeria that I know will become like South Sudan should Nigeria disintegrate using historical antecedents and variables on ground to judge is Yorubaland.

Remembere your Kiriji wars before Nigeria was formed? That's South Sudan! Remember your Wild wild west between Awolowo and Akintola factions? That's South Sudan.

The East had no such history of complete and total uniform widespread of inter group conflicts.

I understand why Yorubas are scared of Nigeria disintegration, your prospects of getting Odua republic to work judging by historical antecedents looks grim, but don't you dare project your fears and insecurities on Ndiigbo. We are socio politically parallel people to you lots.

Peace.

Mujtahida:

If not for the crude and even stupid way Kanu and his cohorts have gone about the agitation for Biafra, asking for Biafra does not amount to denouncing Nigeria. If he had simply said 'we want our own country based on certain socio-historical and political factors and stuck to that line', I do not think that would have amounted to denouncing Nigeria.

Secessionists movements are known all over the world- the Kurds in Turkey, the Catalans in Spain, Texans and Californians in the US. Infact I didn't know that there's a Secessionist movement in Andalusia(Spain) until Sergio Ramos wrapped himself with their flag at the just concluded champions league final. Just a quick check on Wikipedia revealed that there are 32 countries in Europe with secessionists movements with some having at least three different secessionist movements (18 in Spain alone and 14 in France). Remember that the right to self determination is a universally recognised right enshrined in the United Nations Charter and the African Charter on Human and People's Rights.
(I am not for or against Biafra. I am just stating facts and giving my own opinion as per my understanding. What I really desire is a restructuring of this nation, true federalism oo, federal fiscalism oo, resource control, whatever nomenclature we chose.)

Your second paragraph: I did say EXCEPT we change our extant laws. My major point is that these things as it stands now are not so stark as you posit. Yes one can presume that Nigeria will act in ways that safeguards her interest and even get downright punitive and vindictive. However trust me when I tell you that even when the laws are changed there will be a lot of litigation in our courts on these issues. That much I can presume.

Obtaining Governor's consent is not as hard as you make it look. I have done it for foreigners at least twice. But then maybe you speak from your own experience as these things vary. I am however aware that Lagos for example in her bid to become a global player is reforming her land laws because this are factors that go to determine the ease of doing business in a particular place.
Cheers

intruxive:

Lol, ranting of an uninformed disillusioned fella.
South sudan has oil, biafra has nothing (thank God u confessed it is only made up of igbos, so u cant claim SS oil)
It is historically known that you not only hate others, u hate yourself also. Anambra man dislikes imo man and you call some of yourself osus- meaning slaves. That wont change.
The south west fought a political war to replace oyo empire with regional democratic style government, we inter marry and can never have religious crises because we are civilized. Who told you south sudan likes what has become of them, biko read and stop embarrassing your entire tribe online

pazienza:


Lol! Which one come be SS again?

Oyigbo, Egbema, Ukwa East, Oguta, Ohaji, all have crude oil.

More will be discovered once the Biafran government petroleum ministry prioritize on more exploration using modern improved techniques.

Moreover, Oil was never going to be the mainstay of Biafran economy. Industry, Commerce and Agriculture are the future!

Did Kiriji not happen? Hehe!

Did Wild Wild West not happen?

South Sudan are not interested in forming any marriage with their Northern tormentor, they are wise people, unlike some people suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

Anambra man have no issues with Imo man, they don't fight or kill themselves, they settle their issues diplomatically, something your Kiriji ancestors never figured how to do.

Rather than go form your own country, bitter beings are here plotting how to make Biafra fail? As if your British colonial estate is not already a failed entity.

You lots are shameless! Tufiakwa.

If not for the crude and even stupid way Kanu and his cohorts have gone about the agitation for Biafra, asking for Biafra does not amount to denouncing Nigeria. If he had simply said 'we want our own country based on certain socio-historical and political factors and stuck to that line', I do not think that would have amounted to denouncing Nigeria.

Secessionists movements are known all over the world- the Kurds in Turkey, the Catalans in Spain, Texans and Californians in the US. Infact I didn't know that there's a Secessionist movement in Andalusia(Spain) until Sergio Ramos wrapped himself with their flag at the just concluded champions league final. Just a quick check on Wikipedia revealed that there are 32 countries in Europe with secessionists movements with some having at least three different secessionist movements (18 in Spain alone and 14 in France). Remember that the right to self determination is a universally recognised right enshrined in the United Nations Charter and the African Charter on Human and People's Rights.
(I am not for or against Biafra. I am just stating facts and giving my own opinion as per my understanding. What I really desire is a restructuring of this nation, true federalism oo, federal fiscalism oo, resource control, whatever nomenclature we chose.)

Your second paragraph: I did say EXCEPT we change our extant laws. My major point is that these things as it stands now are not so stark as you posit. Yes one can presume that Nigeria will act in ways that safeguards her interest and even get downright punitive and vindictive. However trust me when I tell you that even when the laws are changed there will be a lot of litigation in our courts on these issues. That much I can presume.

Obtaining Governor's consent is not as hard as you make it look. I have done it for foreigners at least twice. But then maybe you speak from your own experience as these things vary. I am however aware that Lagos for example in her bid to become a global player is reforming her land laws because this are factors that go to determine the ease of doing business in a particular place.
Cheers

jpphilips:
author=Mujtahida post=57321172]



I may not understand the so called difference between asking for Biafra and denouncing Nigeria. it is a one way ticket in my opinion.






Are you implying here that kanu is not alone in his quest for secession? of course it is no longer news, the part I find amusing is that all the groups you mentioned have commenced the process on the global stage except kanu who is stuck on the radio. most mind boggling how he enlisted the support of folks who are educated.





You can't ask me to trust you when it you are selling your personal opinion, worse still, you didn't point to any verifiable fact in history that support your presumption.
After the war in 1970, with a stroke of a pen, Nigeria seized all biafran funds in the bank left them with just 20 pounds, do you think there are no courts at the time? or you think the country went stand still because of the so called litigations that ensued? Abandoned property nko?
This is what history taught me, in an event of a break up, Nigeria will get (let me borrow your words) "Punitive and Vindictive" because it is in their interest to do so, perhaps in 1970, it was convenient to take their money, today, it is convenient to take their properties, so yes Nigeria will respond in that manner, I am sure because it has happened before. So you should trust me not the other way round.






I don't reside in Lagos, where I reside, it is not a walk in the park, like you said, experience varies.

intruxive:

Please who is stopping you o!
Everyone is saying PACK UR LOAD and go! Since yesterday its been cries and lamentation on how you want to go, yet stay in another mans land.
When india and pakistan separated who left with what? ( I know say u no sabi this one)
South sudan left with nothing but what they have on. Now aboki says leave lets divide the country..... u came out claiming how you will leave and still remain, what dolts

jpphilips:


C OF O is a tenancy agreement between the bearer and the Nigerian Government. If you denounce Nigeria, no previous legal agreement you have with Nigeria is binding, so the moment you accepted to Join Biafra, you have officially annulled your C of O.
The land use act of Nigeria placed land ownership solely in the hands of the State government, every Nigerian landowner is a tenant of the Government, the law only recognizes a form of compensation should the government have need for your land.
The law equally recognize that you can inherit lands and it is transferable as well, so definitely igbos with properties in the south east are so keeping theirs because Biafra is suppose to dissolve the existing state governments of its territories.

You will ask; what about foreigners who own landed properties in Nigeria? Most of them do so through Nigerian proxies except when such a person has been granted citizenship, though not illegal for foreigners to own properties here directly, in a breakaway situation, both sides are no longer friends as such they may change their laws to suit purpose, one of it is making land ownership or tenancy a citizen right, at that point, most Biafrans will kiss their properties goodbye!!

It is extremely f00lish to think Biafra is coming because a lvnatic said it over the radio, that is the only truth in the OP's question.

pazienza:


No, they are not evicting us out of Nigeria, they are evicting us out of their lands, while still laying claim to our lands as a part of Nigeria.

If they want to send us packing, which is exactly what we want, they they should clamour that their NASS members do to us what Malaysia did to Singapore. Which is evicting them out of their country through revision of the constitution. Biafrans are already asking for referendum.

Malaysia sent Singapore packing and never confiscated their investments. Today, both countries are better for it, with Singapore being the better country.

Only failures focus more on bringing other people down than work on their own success, and Nigeria as we know it has been an epitome of failure, so, it's not surprising the path they are towing towards Biafra demand for self determination.

Like I told you before, South Sudan would never exchange their current freedom no matter how rough it has been, for bondage at the hands of Northern Sudan.

pazienza:


Go and sit down! As bad as South Sudan is, they are not missing their Northern Sudan Arab wannabe tormentors, non of them want to go back to being one country with Northern Sudan.

Moreover, Southern Sudan has not one-hundredth of human resources available to Biafra.

Southern Sudan is also a multi ethnic country, Biafra is going to be a strictly Igbo nation, any other group that want to join must only join after terms and conditions of their union with us have been discussed.

The only place in Nigeria that I know will become like South Sudan should Nigeria disintegrate using historical antecedents and variables on ground to judge is Yorubaland.

Remembere your Kiriji wars before Nigeria was formed? That's South Sudan! Remember your Wild wild west between Awolowo and Akintola factions? That's South Sudan.

The East had no such history of complete and total uniform widespread of inter group conflicts.

I understand why Yorubas are scared of Nigeria disintegration, your prospects of getting Odua republic to work judging by historical antecedents looks grim, but don't you dare project your fears and insecurities on Ndiigbo. We are socio politically parallel people to you lots.

Peace.

seunmsg:


Don't get it twisted at all, the day Biafra secedes legally, all Igbos living in any part of Nigeria will be doing so illegally. Government may round up all of them and throw them into prison or dump them at the Onitsha bridge depending on how the break up occurred. Nigeria's breakup will either be violent or on very hostile terms if violence is not involved. You people will be entitled to absolutely nothing once you succeed in breaking up the country. I will advice you all start selling your belongings now and relocate the ones that can be relocated to the east before it is too late. Igbos will not be allowed to own a pin in Nigeria once Biafra secedes. You cannot eat your cake and still have it.

fulanmafia:
IDEALLY No, but with the uncivil approach to secession adopted by IPOB characterized by threats, insults and blackmail targeted at the North, you can be sure that there will be no happy separation with smiling faces or any bi-lateral agreements between the parties concerned.

TPAND:
What you Igbos want to do is to eat your cake and have it. Secede and lose your properties. We will also give you guys another Biafra must go bag

fulanmafia:
IDEALLY No, but with the uncivil approach to secession adopted by IPOB characterized by threats, insults and blackmail targeted at the North, you can be sure that there will be no happy separation with smiling faces or any bi-lateral agreements between the parties concerned.

TPAND:
What you Igbos want to do is to eat your cake and have it. Secede and lose your properties. We will also give you guys another Biafra must go bag

Dumaknesset:
Just that you know Biafra exit will make Lagos State alone the second richest country in Africa. I can't just wait for you guys to gerrarhear men! There is billions of Naira to be made by your exit.

intruxive:

Since you are the ones agitating for freedom since, what stops your representatives from senate and HOR from moving the motion ehn! Why do u need aboki to move your motion for you?
So you hv a bunch of cowards representing you thr abi? How come you are not asking them to move for ref random instead of disturbing others

pazienza:


Lol! You are the one saying that you had evicted us. When I showed you how true eviction is done, you now realized that you are still holding us down, since you have acknowledged that we are still agitating for freedom.

Well, chew on this: https://www.nairaland.com/3839894/restructuring-igbo-reps-seek-national

intruxive:

Mazi confusionist what are you people looking for, biafra or restructuring within nigeria? The link u sent says restructuring.
Tell ur reps to move for separation and biafra or else keep shut and remain slaves to nigeria

pazienza:


"Members of the House of Representatives from the
South-East geopolitical zone have called for a
provision for referendum in the Nigerian
constitution to open up avenues for discussions on
self-determination by Nigerians."


Lol!

kernel505:



I should be asking you the school that graduated you. In the eventual, Biafra secedes, There will be lots of Job lost, high level of unemployment considering the fact that they own the commerce of Nigeria.

What happened to property development during Nigeria/Biafra war in the West, lots of properties where developed because of ceased fund of the Igbos and high oil price, today poverty has ravaged them to brown roofs.

Igbos are the highest property developers in Nigeria, and rent high cost property too.
The IGR of your states will drop.

Without the help of government, we've developed East wonderfully... The least rent for a flat is 250k ask if you want, why Ibadan is 100k.

intruxive:

Lol, jokes on you. Is the same people celebrating a second reading on south east development....... biko please follow up on the news, I mean the real news o, not what u hear on radio biafra. Non of ur reps is interested in leaving nigeria guy, just kanu and the rest of the broke unsuccessful lots of you remaining in the east

Dumaknesset:
When I say Igbos don't think things through, you would not believe me, so you have not thought about it, yet you want secession.

I am a lawyer and here is a legal dimension.

First note that all lands in Nigeria by virtue of the Land Use Act, 1978 is owned by the state, federal government and local government accordingly. Developed parts are owned by the state through the state governor, the undeveloped parts are owned by the local government, while those areas acquired by federal government are owned by the Federal government.

Individuals and even corporate organizations are mere tenants to the the real owners, the governments! hence, the issuance of cofo, consent, excision, ratifications et al.

Once a property is abandoned as it will be, when the biafrans bolt, the properties will revert to the real owners that is the state government, local government or federal government vide a legal principle called bona vacantia.

Note the legal principle of quic quid plantatur solo solo cedit, he who owes the land owes what is on it, all the developments on the lands become that of the real owner.

All the biafrans properties will become that of Lagos state government, it will be the largest real estate deal in the world since igbos own 90 percent of real estate in Lagos state and Afonjas only own 0.2 percent of real estate in the east.

jpphilips:


C OF O is a tenancy agreement between the bearer and the Nigerian Government. If you denounce Nigeria, no previous legal agreement you have with Nigeria is binding, so the moment you accepted to Join Biafra, you have officially annulled your C of O.
The land use act of Nigeria placed land ownership solely in the hands of the State government, every Nigerian landowner is a tenant of the Government, the law only recognizes a form of compensation should the government have need for your land.
The law equally recognize that you can inherit lands and it is transferable as well, so definitely igbos with properties in the south east are so keeping theirs because Biafra is suppose to dissolve the existing state governments of its territories.

You will ask; what about foreigners who own landed properties in Nigeria? Most of them do so through Nigerian proxies except when such a person has been granted citizenship, though not illegal for foreigners to own properties here directly, in a breakaway situation, both sides are no longer friends as such they may change their laws to suit purpose, one of it is making land ownership or tenancy a citizen right, at that point, most Biafrans will kiss their properties goodbye!!

It is extremely f00lish to think Biafra is coming because a lvnatic said it over the radio, that is the only truth in the OP's question.