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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 9:26pm On Jun 10, 2017
gohome:


A lot of people are too dumb to think and simulate possible scenarios that can ensue based on current realities. They only assume what their brain capacity can.... War happened the last time, it will surely happen again.

Now to the question asked 'does secession make one lose assets'?

The answer could be yes or No

I have simulated different scenarios and the most plausible as at current reality is they won't be any war for secession. If At all they is secession, it will most likely be peaceful and Nigeria will first of all go into a tricky mode....a referendum mode (which of course will take guts for any leader to conduct). In that mode, everybody (not just the secessionist... everybody) will start to mop up dollars, gold or cryptos the stock exchange will crash, so also the real estate market.

And as we know, 90% of dollars in our banks are electronic and would not be prone to people breaking vaults and confisticating. Some of these funds are linked to hedge funds, equities, and capital firms owned by different entities, banks, clubs etc.

So let's assume, I am unlucky to come from a sessionist region and I would love to safe guard my assets, money and estate. What will I do?

1. Money: Take a dollar position and hedge in an international capital or bank. Can also take positions in the Nigeria banks with international operations. And because money is electronic, I can always cash out anywhere with master card, visa or PayPal

2. Estate: Get a real estate company in conjunction with a reputable law firm and sign an MOU for them to properly manage.

Not dumb per se. It's just their viewpoint. I am and I have always been interested in this Biafran issue. Interest waned but current events have re-ignited my interest again. Most of the threads on Biafra are riddled with insults, name-calling and sh!t. Let's get above that here please.

I agree with you that there are many scenarios that can play out and nothing is stark but rather shades of grey. Your angle on the question of property has enlarged the discourse because most think solely in terms of real property. I didn't avert my mind to this possibilities. So there's room for a lot of things to happen IF Biafra happens.
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 9:29pm On Jun 10, 2017
gohome:


It's not inevitable... it's possible. That why I stated point 7. See below.

7. Another card that can be played will be restructuring. Nigeria can be restructured and grouped into more like minds. In my opinion, restructuring can prolong disintegration by another 50 years and maybe by then we hope that one world order would have washed away our stupid cave like ethnic stupidity as I would like to call it

What this means is that if the games are played well, it will take another 50 years for people to start to cry for their own country (ditto Scotland, Barcelona , Texas and California) But by then, one world order (interconnectivity of world) will make it impossible and will help in washing away cave like ethnic stupidity will practice in black Africa.



Ok. So in your own opinion what's the reality Igbos should settle for : a restructured Nigeria or Biafra ( according to Ipobs it's Biafra or death)
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 9:37pm On Jun 10, 2017
gohome:


It's not inevitable... it's possible. That why I stated point 7. See below.

7. Another card that can be played will be restructuring. Nigeria can be restructured and grouped into more like minds. In my opinion, restructuring can prolong disintegration by another 50 years and maybe by then we hope that one world order would have washed away our stupid cave like ethnic stupidity as I would like to call it

What this means is that if the games are played well, it will take another 50 years for people to start to cry for their own country (ditto Scotland, Barcelona , Texas and California) But by then, one world order (interconnectivity of world) will make it impossible and will help in washing away cave like ethnic stupidity will practice in black Africa.

And about the Igbos... I hate to group and tag people. People that come in different shades and colors. It's bad.

People also say the Jewish people are the most schizorphrenic people there is. Is it good for them? Yes, No, Maybe?



I am not saying Igbos are schizorphrenics. I used it as an adjective not as a noun) Rather I used it in the sense that they have split identities as per their national status. Today they are Nigerians (depending on how the political winds blow) tomorrow they are Biafrans. But other Nigerians generally are simply Nigerians. No duality in their national identity.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by gohome: 9:41pm On Jun 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Not dumb per se. It's just their viewpoint. I am and I have always been interested in this Biafran issue. Interest waned but current events have re-ignited my interest again. Most of the threads on Biafra are riddled with insults, name-calling and sh!t. Let's get above that here please.

I agree with you that there are many scenarios that can play out and nothing is stark but rather shades of grey. Your angle on the question of property has enlarged the discourse because most think solely in terms of real property. I didn't avert my mind to this possibilities. So there's room for a lot of things to happen IF Biafra happens.

A smart person does not stick to a particular viewpoint of events he can't predict. Intelligent people always discuss scenarios.

And as for Biafra, if it happens now, events will be too chaotic to handle. A regional government run for several years (ditto Scotland) may ease the chaos... but as it stands, if Biafra comes now, Biafra will be in chaos, the rest of nigeria will be in chaos, west african will be in chaos.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 9:46pm On Jun 10, 2017
gohome:


A smart person does not stick to a particular viewpoint of events he can't predict. Intelligent people always discuss scenarios.

And as for Biafra, if it happens now, events will be too chaotic to handle. A regional government run for several years (ditto Scotland) may ease the chaos... but as it stands, if Biafra comes now, Biafra will be in chaos, the rest of nigeria will be in chaos, west african will be in chaos.
The reverberation will be felt throughout West Africa and I trust that the World Super powers have enough on their plate already to spare time to chew on the food Biafra wants to cook for them.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by gohome: 9:54pm On Jun 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

I am not saying Igbos are schizorphrenics. Rather I used it in the sense that they have split identities as per their national status. Today they are Nigerians (depending on how the political winds blow) tomorrow they are Biafrans. But other Nigerians generally are simply Nigerians. No duality in their national identity.

I don't think that mentality is limited to the Igbos. All other interest groups behave in similar manner, not just in Nigeria but around the world.

For example, Richard Nixon is known to be the greenest president in America and guess what he was a republican. Nixon signed the bills that established the Environmental Protection Agency and the landmark Clean Air Act. Going further, in 1972 Nixon signed the Coastal Zone Management Act; the Ocean Dumping Act; the Marine Mammal Protection Act; the Federal Insecticide, Fungide, Rodenticide Act; and the Toxic Substances Control Act. Nixon's term also saw passage of the Endangered Species Act in 1973 and the Safe Drinking Water Act in 1974.

Today it seems like the republicans are here to destroy the earth while the democrats are sane, humane people to save the planet.

Pure lies. Just interest. People, groups take up position based on interest.
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 9:59pm On Jun 10, 2017
gohome:


I don't think that mentality is limited to the Igbos. All other interest groups behave in similar manner, not just in Nigeria but around the world.

For example, Richard Nixon is known to be the greenest president in America and guess what he was a republican. Nixon signed the bills that established the Environmental Protection Agency and the landmark Clean Air Act. Going further, in 1972 Nixon signed the Coastal Zone Management Act; the Ocean Dumping Act; the Marine Mammal Protection Act; the Federal Insecticide, Fungide, Rodenticide Act; and the Toxic Substances Control Act. Nixon's term also saw passage of the Endangered Species Act in 1973 and the Safe Drinking Water Act in 1974.

Today it seems like the republicans are here to destroy the earth while the democrats are sane, humane people to save the planet.

Pure lies. Just interest. People, groups take up position based on interest.
So why the cry for Biafra. It's become like a ghost haunting the nation. Why the vociferous outcry now? Has it not become a weapon in the hands of its proponents to be wielded just so certain objectives can be obtained?
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by gohome: 10:37pm On Jun 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Ok. So in your own opinion what's the reality Igbos should settle for : a restructured Nigeria or Biafra ( according to Ipobs it's Biafra or death)

A restructure Nigeria. A regional government will be beneficial to the Igbos than Biafra. They will enjoy a mini Biafra and also continue to enjoy the strength Nigeria has to offer.

A regional government will also start to teach them how to run a country. Because in my opinion the major problem with African, is that we do not know how to run a country.

And for the Igbos saying Biafra or death have no idea and the world runs. if say, Biafra comes,these guys championing the struggle will have to give way for present professional, leaders and politicians to run. the reason being there are the only group of people that understand what is takes.

Let me give you an example on EEZ and deep water resources.

Exclusive Economic zone (EEZ) extend to 200 nautical miles from the baseline. In this zone a country has exclusive right to exploit the resources at sea. International Shipping, military exercise usually take place in this zone. Beyond this zone is International waters.

Problem arises when countries are so close to each other that defining autonomy becomes an issue e.g. South china sea, India- Bangladesh, India - Sri lanka (Katchthivu islands). In such cases bilateral or international arbitration is required.

As in the case of nigeria, this will certainly happen and it has to be settled by arbitration. Arbitration as we all know is mostly Political and stupid things like land mass play a role in what you can claim. Very organised people needs to be set up for these. These touts will have to give way to properly play the politics and strike deals where possible. That's why you would not only be in the good books of the west (UK US and France),you will have to kiss their ass. The insults and vituperations to Britain (The West) by the agitators is uncalled for and based on ignorance. Have you wondered why 100 people die in Borno, no statement by the government, but 1 person dies in France or UK we not only send condolence statement we make sure the public knows we have sent a statement?

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by gohome: 10:55pm On Jun 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

So why the cry for Biafra. It's become like a ghost haunting the nation. Why the vociferous outcry now? Has it not become a weapon in the hands of its proponents to be wielded just so certain objectives can be obtained?

Two types of people exist the kings and the paupers, the elites and the masses, the rich and poor, lords and commoners....

The elites will always control the masses like pawns. The pawns are being controlled without their knowledge. The pawns are told to cry for Biafra, so restructuring can be discussed. What do you sell to the pawn to keep the engines running... same old tricks ...hope. Hope for paradise, hope for better life, hope for Eldorado. This is the same trick that also helps fuel people passion for religion, race and country

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 11:00pm On Jun 10, 2017
gohome:


Two types of people exist the kings and the paupers, the elites and the masses, the rich and poor, lords and commoners....

The elites will always control the masses like pawns. The pawns are being controlled without their knowledge. The pawns are told to cry for Biafra, so restructuring can be discussed. What do you sell to the pawn to keep the engines running... same old tricks ...hope. Hope for paradise, hope for better life, hope for Eldorado. This is the same trick that also helps fuel people passion for religion, race and country
And it's like we are in a checkmate now. A restructured Nigeria is the only panacea to the cries for secession. Restructuring will free up the socio - economic and political space. But it seems to me that the north doesn't want to hear such talk. Status quo it must be

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Jonathan39: 11:30pm On Jun 10, 2017
Oga carry your useless advice enter gutter make I see road. When did you start wishing igbOs well? Or do you think you can sway us down? Nonsense lipsrsealed lipsrsealed[qquote author=jpphilips post=57312171]


Has it occurred to you that Nigeria can change their land use act anytime? You have to plan with the worse case scenario not assuming your adversary will show mercy at some point, if Nigeria makes property ownership a "citizen right" what are you supposed to do about that?
Taiwan did it to China, in fact, they just increased the Chinese quota of land ownership recently because china has installed a stooge in Taiwan, the problem most of you pro Biafrans have is that you subscribe to cable TV and end up watching just African Magic, you subscribe to the internet and end up watching p0rn with it.
if you have a clue the end of that biafran road, you will never dream of it. By the way, just because igbos left their properties for three years,
Niger delta seized all of them, what have you done about that? Abandoned property is an abandoned destiny, continue abandoning your destiny everywhere!!
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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 11:57pm On Jun 10, 2017
modik:
With due respect to your point of view, all comments in red color spells each letter of marginalization.

Myriads of reasons can be preferred why a group of people should continue under a well articulated technical subjugation and suppression in all its subtle coloration, that does not make it appetizing to swallow.

FGN, for fear of loss of investment is wary to invest in the east (as you opined), how about harvesting resources from the east and redistributing it to other regions? Does that spell equity? "He who goes to equity must go with clean hands"

If the causative factors of Biafra agitation is not addressed, are we to expect calm and tranquility among those ladened with yokes of subtle
denial of equity ?

Think!

https://www.nairaland.com/3851322/breakdown-disbursment-local-government-geopolitical

The chap is painting a picture of the reality on ground for you, and you are still crying 'marginalisation', here?

Let me put it this way. wink You toiled hard and threw in your entire savings to finally buy the car of your dreams. Your family members also contributed money to shore up your funds, in order to enable you get that great car. cheesy

In a bid to make life easy for your entire family, you employed a chauffeur to drive everyone around to any destination of their choice, within the city. Now, each time the driver takes you out, he waxes lyrical about the car, and how he would do anything to own the same kind of car. In fact, he regales you with stories of how his friends have used legitimate and illegitimate means to acquire similar cars, and how he intends to follow in their footsteps soon. undecided

Now as the owner of that car (which was bought using a loan gathered from family and friends), would you continue to entrust the same car to that driver by continually leaving the keys in his possession, or would you immediately take extra security measures to safeguard the car, restrict his access to it, and start shopping for a replacement for such a driver? sad Tell the truth and let the devil be ashamed, o! shocked

Think of the car as Nigerian territory, and you would be able to arrive at your final answer....

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 12:03am On Jun 11, 2017
gohome:
If the so called biafrans go without a proper exist strategy, they will lose in very harsh places. But I bet you they won't lose in Lagos.

The reason is simple. Lagos has grown past gutter reason and ethnic stupidity of most black Africans. Modern Lagos (infrastructure) is being built by a lot of capital inflow from foreign banks. And the owners of this inflow are much wiser and operate at a level higher than your gutter mentality (vindictive my ass) Lagos elites and leaders along side the inflow owners will create a very conducive environment to make money for them self and their kids. Now the issue is, can you differentiate between a Biafran and other foreign investors? Yes maybe, by calling all of them terrorist. How do you prove that? It's likely going to be impossible, because it's a lie.

Again what's specific law will say biafrans lose your properties and Chinese or Indians or Dutch or Americans don't lose.

So my brother don't kid yourself... Lagos will still have modern laws like any other country because money knows no brother and must be made.

Are you saying the laws of Lagos State would supercede the laws of the Federal Govt of Nigeria? Or would Lagos State operate a set of laws that would run contrary to the prevailing law in the rest of the country?

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 12:06am On Jun 11, 2017
gohome:
You have no answer to the question? I will ask again? In the eyes of the law, How will foreigners be differentiated?

Guy, foreigners can always be differentiated in the eyes of the law, as the laws applicable to each type of foreigner can be clearly spelt out. That is why Britain had a different set of immigration regulations for citizens holding an EU passport, (at the time the UK was still part of the EU), while it had a different set of regulations for citizens from non-EU countries. Go figure!

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by gohome: 3:30am On Jun 11, 2017
laudate:


Guy, foreigners can always be differentiated in the eyes of the law, as the laws applicable to each type of foreigner can be clearly spelt out. That is why Britain had a different set of immigration regulations for citizens holding an EU passport, (at the time the UK was still part of the EU), while it had a different set of regulations for citizens from non-EU countries. Go figure!

This example is flawed. Can you use an example between 2 countries and not a country and a continent?

When you are done doing that, can you give an example by stipulating the law that will be in a bill, act or whatever that will tell the difference between Biafra and say Ghana? Please don't use vague statement like 'set of regulations' The reason I want you to do it is for you to think and then hear yourself.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by bigfrancis21: 3:42am On Jun 11, 2017
emmadejust:
Hello nairalanders.

There is an arguement between my guy on, if a particular part in a country should decide or agree to succeed out from their original country.
That all individual property owned by people of other separatist will be lost to citizens of the other state/country.

My question is, does succession make legal property owned by individual lost because he/she is no more part of the other separatist country ?

Your detail analysis please

@ lalasticala

It depends on the new laws, if any, by the new country regarding foreign-owned properties. Most likely, the newly-become foreigners will still own their property but may be subject to new laws or made to do new certain stuffs to retain ownership of their property.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by gohome: 4:43am On Jun 11, 2017
laudate:


Are you saying the laws of Lagos State would supercede the laws of the Federal Govt of Nigeria? Or would Lagos State operate a set of laws that would run contrary to the prevailing law in the rest of the country?

If Biafra secession happens democratically and in peace time and the rest of Nigeria by miracle (ijaw nation, Yoruba nation, etc) remains an entity, the federal government structure as we know it will be gone. That's so obvious because the constitution will be rewritten.

Discussions around state autonomy will be on the table. Lagos state for example will be the pride of the Yoruba elites and will ask for city State status. Some concessions will have to be reached and I am sure Lagos will want to control its laws that affect its financial strength (stock exchange, banking, real estate... etc)

Ijaw will never be in any union without full resource country.

The Edos for example will want laws that protect minorities .... things like state of origin and birth will be trashed.

A plateau or a man from southern Kaduna will also want to protect his farm lands

The constitutional review will be interesting

Now back to the biafrans. If by any chance the laws of nigeria becomes more draconian after Biafra, for Lagos real estate, I see moderates (Elite, Yoruba, Edo, itsekiri etc) becoming billionaires over night while the biafrans retain their asset. I won't say how yet until you give me the typical law you have been dreaming of that will differentiate between A Biafran and say a Ghanian which will make him forfeit his properties

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 10:11am On Jun 11, 2017
gohome:
If Biafra secession happens democratically and in peace time and the rest of Nigeria by miracle (ijaw nation, Yoruba nation, etc) remains an entity, the federal government structure as we know it will be gone. That's so obvious because the constitution will be rewritten.

Discussions around state autonomy will be on the table. Lagos state for example will be the pride of the Yoruba elites and will ask for city State status. Some concessions will have to be reached and I am sure Lagos will want to control its laws that affect its financial strength (stock exchange, banking, real estate... etc)

Ijaw will never be in any union without full resource country.

The Edos for example will want laws that protect minorities .... things like state of origin and birth will be trashed.

A plateau or a man from southern Kaduna will also want to protect his farm lands

The constitutional review will be interesting

Now back to the biafrans. If by any chance the laws of nigeria becomes more draconian after Biafra, for Lagos real estate, I see moderates (Elite Yoruba, Edo, itsekiri etc) becoming billionaires over night while the biafrans retain their asset. I won't say how yet until you give me the typical law you have been dreaming of that will differentiate between A Biafran and say a Ghanian which will make him forfeit his properties

You chaps are just jokers. So you now speak for the entire authorities of Lagos State, right? And your wishful dreams will make the other tribes billionaires overnight, as if they have started minting naira notes in the lagoon? And in your deluded dreams you feel the biafrans will retain their asset, if there is a breakup? keep dreaming, bro'. shocked

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 10:13am On Jun 11, 2017
The irony of the Biafra Agitation.

You want Biafra. They chase you out of Nigeria. Instead of siezing the opportunity to go back home enmass, you say you are not going anywhere. I expect great jubilation and joyous celebrations. I expect mass movement. I expect the Ghana Must Go scene which I witnessed. Truck loads of Ghanaians, moving out. With Jute bags which became nicknamed "Ghana-Must-Go" bag.

If you want Biafra all you need do is go back to the East enmass. Refuse to trade with Nigeria. Refuse to have anything to do with Nigeria. When you are going back, no policeman or soldier will say "why are you travelling"? Freedom of movement to your states of origin is a fundamental Human Right. In my opinion. No one is holding you back but yourselves.

It doesn't even matter if a few of your elders are in the service of Nigeria as appointees etc. Ignore them. Build your Biafra, when it is as rossy as you claim it will be, they will have no choice but to go back to their dear Biafra.

So for all intents and purposes, this is the opportunity you have been praying for. Leave the North. Go back home. Build your utopia. Boycott everything Nigerian.
Biafra is being given to you on a platter of gold. Your leaders are saying they are not going anywhere and daring the North to attack them. Be united in purpose and be ready to go through the "pain" and "surgery" of achieving a good and perfect Biafra. This pain will involve leaving your businesses, property, etc. But it is for a good cause. Child bearing comes with some pain. The birthing of Biafra will not come without sacrifices.

Nnamdi Kanu says Nigeria will beg Biafra to go. The North has told you to go. So take the opputunity to do so. If Nigeria does not let you leave you will blame all your troubles on Nigeria. It is for this reason alone, that I support Biafra. Everyone needs the opportunity to take the chance and go the distance. So sieze the chance. You have been given till October. The distance between the major parts of the North and the East is generally less than 24 hours by road. I should expect a great jubilation when the North asked you to vacate without a gun shot. I expect a great exodus. Your leaders should come together and choose a course of action.

If you understand strategy you should take this golden opportunity. Pharaoh as asked the Jews to leave Egypt. What are the Jews still waiting for? They now refuse to go to the promised land. There is no red sea in this story. The promised land is known and available. No need for scouts and no need to traverse the deserts. Again I am expecting a great exodus. A huge one. When citizens of another country are not wanted anymore they are expelled. You are Biafrans and Nigeria has expelled you. So go back to your Biafra and gladly do so.


If this opportunity is not taken, then the Biafra matter is just that of a people trying to constitute a nuisance, disunited in purpose and annoyingly empty in character. Biafra has come, take it and stop the indecision. Stop worrying about what you will loose. These are necessary. South Sudan lost a lot after the referendum including the rights to pump it's oil through pipelines that go through Sudan to the export terminals. They had to negotiate the fees/cost of pumping South Sudan's Oil.The South Sudanese did not bother about their property in Khartoum. Theirs was even worse. They were never told to go, the way the North has peacefully ordered Biafrans to do. This is a once in a life time opputunity. Take it.

Do not start wondering what will happen to your investments. To your market of about 150 million Nigerians. Your perhaps about 40-60 million Biafrans are available (we do not know your true population figures). Trade with them and find new international trade partners. Do not start bothering about what will become of Lekki, or Festac, or Ikeja, or Ikorodu, or Abuja or other areas you "developed". In my opinion, only a foolish man develops another man's land and leaves his own and then he even boasts about this to the world about this great mistake and miscalculation. It is when you have developed yours to your satisfaction that you then extend your good developmental gestures to other "less fortunate people".

Unite in purpose. Buhari is not even in the country. Osinbanjo is more reasonable. Take the chance. Move ensmass. Exodus out of all parts of Nigeria. Move back home. Organize yourselves. Ignore everything in Nigeria. This opportunity will never come again. You are putting your hope in ICJ and UN etc. Time and time again, these organizations have stood by and watched endless maacascre of innocent civilians. Syria, South Sudan etc. Even the Nigeria/Biafra Civil War.

You claim you have all the businesses. You can cripple Nigeria. Nigeria is a zoo. Your footballers are the best. Your women are the best. You are the most industrous. You are the most brilliant. You are the most hard working. You are the most advanced. Your exodus alone should then help you win this agitation. So, cripple Nigeria by leaving. Destroy Nigeria by removing all your services. Obliterate Nigeria by withdrawing your elite. Stall Nigeria's evolution of her human gene pool by taking back your pretty light complexioned igbo girls. In fact go back home and lock your shops again. This time, lock them for good. It has come to you easier than you imagined. The next time you are coming to Nigeria, do so with the ECOWAS Passport or a Biafran passport. Pay the Nigerian Visa Fees and go through the process. Refuse to enter Nigeria with a Visa. Yes, if Nigerians say come in, you say "no,that will be illegal since I am an allien. Could you please grant me papers"? If they refuse you go back to Biafra.

The struggle has moved from opening fake propaganda online and lying about how Asari supplies weapons and how Donald Trump warned Buhari. It is this same lies and fake propaganda that contributed to the loss of the Civil War. People hardly knew the facts from fiction and leaders couldn't make rational and calculated decisions. The struggle is now beyond propaganda my dear Biafrans. It has come and stares you in the face. It is real now and no more mere rantings on the internet and other forms/means of mass media and mass communication. Take it the opportunity. It has materialized. The Zoo is ready to allow you go. Why dare them and tell them you aren't going?



BIAFRA HAS COME. TAKE IT!

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 10:16am On Jun 11, 2017
gohome:
This example is flawed. Can you use an example between 2 countries and not a country and a continent?

When you are done doing that, can you give an example by stipulating the law that will be in a bill, act or whatever that will tell the difference between Biafra and say Ghana? Please don't use vague statement like 'set of regulations' The reason I want you to do it is for you to think and then hear yourself.

Guy, did you go to school at all? I should stipulate the law that will be in a bill for you? shocked Can you listen to yourself? Are you allergic to conducting your own research? Or were you just not taught the basics of rational thinking? sad Isn't it countries that make up a continent? And my reference to EU countries, included the nations that make up the EU. What part of that phrase didn't you understand? Or would you have preferred it if I listed out each EU country, one by one? You are beginning to sound like a toddler...

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 11:11am On Jun 11, 2017
Mujtahida:
I am not saying Igbos are schizorphrenics. An adjective not as a noun) Rather I used it in the sense that they have split identities as per their national status. Today they are Nigerians (depending on how the political winds blow) tomorrow they are Biafrans. But other Nigerians generally are simply Nigerians. No duality in their national identity.

True!! cool cheesy

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by APCsupporter: 11:31am On Jun 11, 2017
Unimaginable123:
u are just making noise. Igbos will continue living in the north as foreigners. Even if we dash u igbo businesses in the north, can u manage them when it's not cattle rearing?
What happened to Zimbabwe when they introduced 'indigenization' policy and took away farmlands of whites and gave them to their locals? 1trillion Zimbabwe dollars couldn't buy a loaf of bread.
It's in your interest to live in peace with biafrans, before this ur naira wil turn to idi amin Ugandan currency.

mention one business that the igbos do that cannot be handled by northerners. importation? cooking gas business? trading? real estate? shoe making? just mention one.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 11:56am On Jun 11, 2017
modik:



Take it or leave it, we live in a world where every citizen should not only be free but seen to be free.

As a world citizen, I have an inalienable right to self determination. That right, is recognized globally.

A state where a citizen would be seen but not to be heard is not the best for him, where equality is defined by quota system and not by meritocracy, is not the best place to be.

I shouldn't remind you that this is 2017 and not 1967. The world has moved and we must move along. Violence is not the strategy (May 30th is on record).


A country where sanctity of life is only on paper can never be a dream land of any forward looking citizen. (A section of the country has absolute right to take fellow citizen's lives at any slight provocation without being brought to book, while others protest peacefully/unarmed and are silenced with weapons acquired with tax payers money).

A country where application of law is selective (different treatment for the rich and the poor)(African China's song comes to mind), hmmm

A country where citizens for over 50 years pay for darkness instead of electricity, is heart rending!

Above all, a country where unity is by force without the tenets of equity and equality is not fit for humans.


Re-think!





Such a world does exist in Utopia alone not the real world google "The trail of tears" for further enlightenment.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Unimaginable123: 12:04pm On Jun 11, 2017
APCsupporter:


mention one business that the igbos do that cannot be handled by northerners. importation? cooking gas business? trading? real estate? shoe making? just mention one.
mention the one u can do apart from cattle rearing
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by APCsupporter: 12:21pm On Jun 11, 2017
Unimaginable123:
mention the one u can do apart from cattle rearing

this is the same as asking you what you can do aside drug trafficking. just mention 1 business that we cannot do.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by modik(m): 12:24pm On Jun 11, 2017
jpphilips:


Such a world does exist in Utopia alone not the real world google "The trail of tears" for further enlightenment.

Little wonder why politicians still use "I will give you electricity" as campaign promise after over 50 years of Nationhood.

Your mentality and definition of Nationhood speaks volume.

Biafrans deserve better and with determination and unanimity, better will they get

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Konquest: 12:41pm On Jun 11, 2017
Dumaknesset:
When I say Igbos don't think things through, you would not believe me, so you have not thought about it, yet you want secession.

I am a lawyer and here is a legal dimension.

First note that all lands in Nigeria by virtue of the Land Use Act, 1978 is owned by the state, federal government and local government accordingly. Developed parts are owned by the state through the state governor, the undeveloped parts are owned by the local government, while those areas acquired by federal government are owned by the Federal government.

Individuals and even corporate organizations are mere tenants to the the real owners, the governments! hence, the issuance of cofo, consent, excision, ratifications et al.

Once a property is abandoned as it will be, when the biafrans bolt, the properties will revert to the real owners that is the state government, local government or federal government vide a legal principle called bona vacantia.

Note the legal principle of quic quid plantatur solo solo cedit, he who owes the land owes what is on it, all the developments on the lands become that of the real owner.

All the biafrans properties will become that of Lagos state government, it will be the largest real estate deal in the world since igbos own 90 percent of real estate in Lagos state and Afonjas only own 0.2 percent of real estate in the east.

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*Modified*

@dumaknesset

Ibos do NOT own 90% of the real estate
in Lagos State.

So Yorubas
who are the hosts of the Ibo only own
0.2% in their own land?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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After reading the post made by
@DumaKnesset on page one of
this very interesting thread, I
realised that he was using SARCASM
in his post about the so-called 90%
real estate ownership reference
and I've retracted my original hard
response towards him and offered
my apology...


I have to make sure I don't shoot
every moving target on NL next time
because... it could be a sarcasm... grin grin

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by modik(m): 1:02pm On Jun 11, 2017
gohome:


A restructure Nigeria. A regional government will be beneficial to the Igbos than Biafra. They will enjoy a mini Biafra and also continue to enjoy the strength Nigeria has to offer.

A regional government will also start to teach them how to run a country. Because in my opinion the major problem with African, is that we do not know how to run a country.

And for the Igbos saying Biafra or death have no idea and the world runs. if say, Biafra comes,these guys championing the struggle will have to give way for present professional, leaders and politicians to run. the reason being there are the only group of people that understand what is takes.

Let me give you an example on EEZ and deep water resources.

Exclusive Economic zone (EEZ) extend to 200 nautical miles from the baseline. In this zone a country has exclusive right to exploit the resources at sea. International Shipping, military exercise usually take place in this zone. Beyond this zone is International waters.

Problem arises when countries are so close to each other that defining autonomy becomes an issue e.g. South china sea, India- Bangladesh, India - Sri lanka (Katchthivu islands). In such cases bilateral or international arbitration is required.

As in the case of nigeria, this will certainly happen and it has to be settled by arbitration. Arbitration as we all know is mostly Political and stupid things like land mass play a role in what you can claim. Very organised people needs to be set up for these. These touts will have to give way to properly play the politics and strike deals where possible. That's why you would not only be in the good books of the west (UK US and France),you will have to kiss their ass. The insults and vituperations to Britain (The West) by the agitators is uncalled for and based on ignorance. Have you wondered why 100 people die in Borno, no statement by the government, but 1 person dies in France or UK we not only send condolence statement we make sure the public knows we have sent a statement?

Keep upholding colonial mentality

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery!
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 1:07pm On Jun 11, 2017
Konquest:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^@dumaknesset

Ibos do NOT own 90% of the real estate
in Lagos State. This is the kind of
delutional and psychopathic thinking
that exists among some of you.

You are a PURE Nascisist! So Yorubas
who are the hosts of the Ibo only own
0.2% in their own land? It is people
like YOU that give your Ibo kinsmen
a VERY BAD name with your warped
ego!

I believe Dumaknesset was just being sarcastic. Go back and read his posts from the beginning... I do not always agree with him, but his response to that guy was a reaction to an earlier statement, made by the chap.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 1:42pm On Jun 11, 2017
laudate:


I believe Dumaknesset was just being sarcastic. Go back and read his posts from the beginning... I do not always agree with him, but his response to that guy was a reaction to an earlier statement, made by the chap.


Thanks bro, I hope he gets it now.

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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 1:45pm On Jun 11, 2017
Konquest:


^^^^^^^^^^^^^
@dumaknesset

Ibos do NOT own 90% of the real estate
in Lagos State. This is the kind of
delutional and psychopathic thinking
that exists among some of you.

You are a PURE Nascisist! So Yorubas
who are the hosts of the Ibo only own
0.2% in their own land? It is people
like YOU that give your Ibo kinsmen
a VERY BAD name with your warped
ego!

Calm down and don't fall apart on me. I am Yoruba too for whatever that is worth, just taunting the developers.

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