A pastor is a Shepherd, and women are not reckoned as such in the bible, so why do some churches have female pastors. Does it mean that they don't read the bible?


1tim 2:11-12

Cc:
Lalasticlala.

JMAN05:
A pastor is a Shepherd, and women are not reckoned as such in the bible, so why do some churches have female pastors. Does it mean that they don't read the bible?


1tim 2:11-12

Cc:
Lalasticlala.

On the basis that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female, bond nor free, Greek nor Jew and on the basis that, they are part of the family of God Gal 3:28

1 Tim 2:11-12 talks about , well my opinion, the house settings, God has used women like Maria Woodworth Ether, Katherine Kuhlman, and Aimee Simple Merpherson and many others in the past.

Well, I just came to realise this, woman can pastor a Church, but not becoming an authority in the sense that, they decide how the church is been run. For instance, a woman being the G.O. of a church, but if situation warrants, who are we to question God.

GodsMopol:



On the basis that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female, bond nor free, Greek nor Jew and on the basis that, they are part of the family of God Gal 3:28

1 Tim 2:11-12 talks about , well my opinion, the house settings, God has used women like Maria Woodworth Ether, Katherine Kuhlman, and Aimee Simple Merpherson and many others in the past.

Paul knew of those part about women before he instructed that women keep quiet, not exercise authority over a man.

On the basis of the call of God upon their life. Ist cor 1:27 says

27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;

And where was it stated in the Bible that God call only males as Pastors?

GodsMopol:



On the basis that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female, bond nor free, Greek nor Jew and on the basis that, they are part of the family of God Gal 3:28

1 Tim 2:11-12 talks about , well my opinion, the house settings, God has used women like Maria Woodworth Ether, Katherine Kuhlman, and Aimee Simple Merpherson and many others in the past.

You ought to understand that A number of women held important positions in the early Christian churches (Acts 1:12-14, 18:24-26, 21:7-9, Romans 16:1-16)

Much of the opposition to women in ministry is based on these two passages:

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35)

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:11-12)

Related verses: 1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:22-23.

As with much of the Bible, some background information is helpful for interpreting these passages:

>Biblical-era society was very much male-dominated. The status of women was much like that of children today -- totally subservient to the male head-of-household. It would have been considered scandalous for a woman to take a leadership role with authority over men.

>Biblical-era women were not educated and were mostly confined to domestic duties. A woman would not have had the education needed to take a teaching role.

>The young Christian communities in the Mediterranean area were already looked upon as hotbeds of dangerous heretics by the pagan majorities. The apostle Paul and other church leaders were very concerned about avoiding any appearance of scandal that would make a bad impression on the people they wanted to convert to Christianity (Titus 2:3-8, 1 Corinthians 14:22-24), or worse, that could be used to justify persecution of Christians.

>Humility is an important theme throughout the New Testament. Virtue comes from obedience to God, not from rebelling against society's norms (1 Peter 2:13-17). Thus, slaves should accept freedom if offered, but, if not, should be obedient to their masters in all things (1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Peter 2:18-21). Similarly, women should not rebel against their lot in life (1 Peter 3:1-6).

Although apostle paul accepted that people may have different roles in society, he proclaimed that all believers are equal in God's sight:

You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (NIV, Galatians 3:26-29).

Christianity this days is about acceptance not obedience,
Women leadership in churches is a protestant /pentecostal thing. The church is meant to be a family, unfortunately it is now a business organization.

Whether you like it or not, the bible says that women should not be teachers in the church. They have the gifts of the holy spirit but the teaching office in the church is reserved for men. Women are to be silent in church. 1corinthians 14: 34-35, 1 corinthians 14: 37-38.

Whether you like it or not, the holy book of the christians says that women should not be teachers in the church. They can have the gifts of the holy spirit but the teaching office in the church is reserved for men. Women are to be silent in church. 1corinthians 14: 34-35, 1 corinthians 14: 37-38.

I don't care how many female preachers we have today and in the past, the teaching of God's Word in the church is reserved for men. Women may be prophets, healers or whatever but the preaching of God's Word IN THE CHURCH is for the men. How do you know the women teachers are genuine?

Do your research on YouTube and you will see that the likes of Katherine Kuhlmann, Joyce Meyer and Paula White are scammers. They are fake.

JMAN05:
A pastor is a Shepherd, and women are not reckoned as such in the bible, so why do some churches have female pastors. Does it mean that they don't read the bible?


1tim 2:11-12

Cc:
Lalasticlala.

Jman05 according to jws only 144000 men and women inclusive will go to heaven but the bible specifically says in revelation that this 144000 are those who had not being defiled by women and were virgins

So how do you explain women being among the 144000 when the bible clearly states that it is only Virgin men?

If women can be among the 144000 going to heaven according to your teaching then why do you think women can't preach in churches or be pastors?

Hairyrapunzel:


Jman05 according to jws only 144000 men and women inclusive will go to heaven but the bible specifically says in revelation that this 144000 are those who had not being defiled by women and were virgins

So how do you explain women being among the 144000 when the bible clearly states that it is only Virgin men?

If women can be among the 144000 going to heaven according to your teaching then why do you think women can't preach in churches or be pastors?

Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

Hmmmmmmmm

JMAN05:


Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

You still haven't answered my question
bible specifically states that the 144000 are those who have been undefiled and are virgins.

So how do you explain women being among the 144000 when the bible clearly states that it is only Virgin men?

If women can be among the 144000 going to heaven according to your teaching then why do you think women can't preach in churches or be pastors?

JMAN05:


Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

I am still waiting for your reply.
Your explanation on women being among the 144000 going to even when the bible says they are those who have been undefiled by women and are virgins use it to apply to women being preachers and pastors

You can't teach that something in the bible doesn't apply to you yet criticize other churches
Remove the log in your eye before you remove the speck in another person's eye.

The trend is common this days, I think its a Pentecostal thing ..Pastor ( Mrs) , Mummy G.O etc
. So the Christian Bible didnt even allow such ?

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JMAN05:
A pastor is a Shepherd, and women are not reckoned as such in the bible, so why do some churches have female pastors. Does it mean that they don't read the bible?


1tim 2:11-12

Cc:
Lalasticlala.

Why are JW obsessed with Christians but will never say anything against Islam or any other religion? Why are Christians the problems of JW?

Martinez19:
Whether you like it or not, the holy book of the christians says that women should not be teachers in the church. They can have the gifts of the holy spirit but the teaching office in the church is reserved for men. Women are to be silent in church. 1corinthians 14: 34-35, 1 corinthians 14: 37-38.

I don't care how many female preachers we have today and in the past, the teaching of God's Word in the church is reserved for men. Women may be prophets, healers or whatever but the preaching of God's Word IN THE CHURCH is for the men. How do you know the women teachers are genuine?

Do your research on YouTube and you will see that the likes of Katherine Kuhlmann, Joyce Meyer and Paula White are scammers. They are fake.

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Martinez19:
Whether you like it or not, the holy book of the christians says that women should not be teachers in the church. They can have the gifts of the holy spirit but the teaching office in the church is reserved for men. Women are to be silent in church. 1corinthians 14: 34-35, 1 corinthians 14: 37-38.

I don't care how many female preachers we have today and in the past, the teaching of God's Word in the church is reserved for men. Women may be prophets, healers or whatever but the preaching of God's Word IN THE CHURCH is for the men. How do you know the women teachers are genuine?

Do your research on YouTube and you will see that the likes of Katherine Kuhlmann, Joyce Meyer and Paula White are scammers. They are fake.

and the likes of Suleiman, tuberculosis Joshua, reverend king and Jerry curl womanizer Chris oyakelome are what? if those female pastors you mentioned are scammers

Martinez19:
Whether you like it or not, the bible says that women should not be teachers in the church. They have the gifts of the holy spirit but the teaching office in the church is reserved for men. Women are to be silent in church. 1corinthians 14: 34-35, 1 corinthians 14: 37-38.

DID JESUS EVER SAY THAT

Hairyrapunzel:


I am still waiting for your reply.
Your explanation on women being among the 144000 going to even when the bible says they are those who have been undefiled by women and are virgins use it to apply to women being preachers and pastors

You can't teach that something in the bible doesn't apply to you yet criticize other churches
Remove the log in your eye before you remove the speck in another person's eye.

Answer my question, stop circumventing: I repeat:

Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

true2god:
Why are JW obsessed with Christians but will never say anything against Islam or any other religion? Why are Christians the problems of JW?

You are ill-informed.

JMAN05:


You are ill-informed.

I have read and analyses hundreds of JW magazines, especially Awake! and watchtower, and hardly will any edition comes out without any form of Christian bashing, either doctrinally or philosophically. Can you mention any single such edition of the magazines I mentioned that has zero Christian bashing?

You guys will never try that with Islam because they won't accept your bashing and will physically treat your technical intolerance in a violent way. This is a simple fact that your governing body understand.

JMAN05:


Answer my question, stop circumventing: I repeat:

Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

But a woman can give you injection at the hospital, in your buttock. Hypocrite!

Why don't you reject a female nurse giving you injection on your buttock, while you smile in pain? Go and read the genesis why Paul gave that instruction to the early church then you will understand better. If you are familiar with Paul's epistles, he, in various occasions, let us understand that some instructions he gave, to the early church, are his personal advise/opinion without the leading of the Holy Spirit.

You need to understand that there was a great controversy concerning the role of women, in the early church, that made Paul to come up with that epistle. While I never condemned apostle Paul's advise on this matter, you have to understand the circumstances behind every epistle. In Saudi Arabia, they hire only women as midwives but in Europe most midwives are men, why? That's cultural and social differences and that does not make Saudi Arabia or Europe better.

What is the spiritual consequence of a woman leading a Christian congregation? Can you state some? Are you saying God wil never answer a prayer session led by a woman?

JMAN05:


Answer my question, stop circumventing: I repeat:

Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

I asked my question first. You are fond of doing this. When people ask you question once you see you can't answer the question you ask your question when you haven't answered theirs you want them to answer yours

When you answer my own in will answer your own cos I asked first

You still haven't answered my question
bible specifically states that the 144000 are those who have been undefiled and are virgins.

So how do you explain women being among the 144000 when the bible clearly states that it is only Virgin men?

If women can be among the 144000 going to heaven according to your teaching then why do you think women can't preach in churches or be pastors?

true2god:
But a woman can give you injection at the hospital, in your buttock. Hypocrite!

Why don't you reject a female nurse giving you injection on your buttock, while you smile in pain? Go and read the genesis why Paul gave that instruction to the early church then you will understand better. If you are familiar with Paul's epistles, he, in various occasions, let us understand that some instructions he gave, to the early church, are his personal advise/opinion without the leading of the Holy Spirit.

You need to understand that there was a great controversy concerning the role of women, in the early church, that made Paul to come up with that epistle. While I never condemned apostle Paul's advise on this matter, you have to understand the circumstances behind every epistle. In Saudi Arabia, they hire only women as midwives but in Europe most midwives are men, why? That's cultural and social differences and that does not make Saudi Arabia or Europe better.

What is the spiritual consequence of a woman leading a Christian congregation? Can you state some? Are you saying God wil never answer a prayer session led by a woman?

JWS Always taking a verse or two and quoting out of context

JMAN05:


Answer my question, stop circumventing: I repeat:

Why should men be head of women at home when the same women will rule with them in heaven? Gods arrangement is that women not exercise authority over a man or teach in the congregation.

Amongst two of us who is circumventing?
You asked a question and you answered it yourself answer my own cos I asked mine first

I repeat again
Jman05 according to jws only 144000 men and women inclusive will go to heaven but the bible specifically says in revelation that this 144000 are those who had not being defiled by women and were virgins

So how do you explain women being among the 144000 when the bible clearly states that it is only Virgin men?

If women can be among the 144000 going to heaven according to your teaching then why do you think women can't preach in churches or be pastors?

GodsMopol:



On the basis that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female, bond nor free, Greek nor Jew and on the basis that, they are part of the family of God Gal 3:28

1 Tim 2:11-12 talks about , well my opinion, the house settings, God has used women like Maria Woodworth Ether, Katherine Kuhlman, and Aimee Simple Merpherson and many others in the past.

And to add to it, they didn't made themselves preachers but Yahweh did that's why in Joel 2:28 did say that " And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

proudafrogal:


and the likes of Suleiman, tuberculosis Joshua, reverend king and Jerry curl womanizer Chris oyakelome are what? if those female pastors you mentioned are scammers

They are scammers as well.

Proudlyngwa:
Christianity this days is about acceptance not obedience,
Women leadership in churches is a protestant /pentecostal thing. The church is meant to be a family, unfortunately it is now a business organization.

The issue at hand is women ordination not church business. That some churches are into profit making doesn't mean all churches are in it. Women ordination is also see in orthodox church too

Martinez19:
Whether you like it or not, the bible says that women should not be teachers in the church. They have the gifts of the holy spirit but the teaching office in the church is reserved for men. Women are to be silent in church. 1corinthians 14: 34-35, 1 corinthians 14: 37-38.

Why don't ask the Holy Spirit for guidance? Why study the Bible like literature in English? Was God foolish enough to use Deborah in the Bible or Catherine Kumar? Was he foolish to use pastor Bimbo Odukoya of blessed memory. His he the author of confusion?

true2god:
Why are JW obsessed with Christians but will never say anything against Islam or any other religion? Why are Christians the problems of JW?

The problem with Jehovah witnesses is that they claim to be the only Christian sect that's doing the right thing .every other persons are sinners and doomed for destruction

proudafrogal:


and the likes of Suleiman, tuberculosis Joshua, reverend king and Jerry curl womanizer Chris oyakelome are what? if those female pastors you mentioned are scammers

Why will you call TB Joshua Tuberculosis? .The first person mentioned isn't Suleiman but Suleman. He that's which sin should cast the stone first