marvel4love:

What if you've been refused study permit before? Isn't that applying to enter Canada? I've been refused before and while reapplying I ticked yes to that question cause I felt it meant I've applied to enter Canada before. Hope this won't be an issue of misrepresentation o? Though I explained that I applied last year and was refused for purpose of visit. @Austinpee and other gurus

The question is if you have applied to remain, not enter. Thinking about it more, I guess been refused entry at the border does not count as remaining in Canada. Been denied a visa also does not count as applying to remain in Canada. You have never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to "remain" there. That is why they also ask you if you have ever been denies entry to Canada. That is the one you should have checked yes. That said, no I do not think it will count as misrepresentation. They will know you never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to remain there. Worse come to worst, they will issue administration review request and you can explain that it was a mistake from your end.

marvel4love:

What if you've been refused study permit before? Isn't that applying to enter Canada? I've been refused before and while reapplying I ticked yes to that question cause I felt it meant I've applied to enter Canada before. Hope this won't be an issue of misrepresentation o? Though I explained that I applied last year and was refused for purpose of visit. @Austinpee and other gurus

The question is if you have applied to remain, not enter Canada. Thinking about it more, I guess been refused entry at the border does not count as applying to remain in Canada. Been denied a visa also does not count as applying to remain in Canada. You have never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to "remain" there. That is why they also ask you if you have ever been denied entry to Canada. That is the question you should have checked yes. That said, no I do not think it will count as misrepresentation. They will know you never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to remain there. Worse come to worst, they will issue administration review request and you can explain that it was an honest mistake from your end.

CanadianNurse:
bro it not just on the Internet... I've never seen gcms that reads denied based on dual intent

It's normal a lot of people apply for study permit and at the same time explore the EE route

You expect to read a denial that says for dual intent? Lol. They would say something to the effect of not showing that you intend to return to Nigeria. That said, I am prone to think that applying for both at the same time would not be a problem. But I waiting to see CIC take on it before pulling the levers.

CanadianNurse:
bro it not just on the Internet... I've never seen gcms that reads denied based on dual intent

It's normal a lot of people apply for study permit and at the same time explore the EE route

You expect to read a denial that says for dual intent? Lol. They would say something to the effect of not showing that you intend to return to Nigeria. That said, I am prone to think that applying for both at the same time would not be a problem. But I waiting to see CIC's take on it before pulling the levers.

jnyuwa02:


You expect to read a denial that says for dual intent? Lol. They would say something to the effect of not showing that you intend to return to Nigeria. That said, I am prone to think that applying for both at the same time would not be a problem. But I waiting to see CIC's take on it before pulling the levers.

How about those that got both pr and trv? Magic?

gap2017:
Hello, I'm a silent follower for a long time now. I'm using a consultant in Canada for PR and when they were about to put us in the pool. I told them of mu husband's intention to process study permit, they quickly said they won't put us in the pool for now. we have to wait for the study permit to come out first. They applying at the same time is likely to affect the outcome. I am the principal applicant for the PR.

I just want to state the above. Just apply caution sha!

jnyuwa02:


This is a good strategy. I stayed away from doing both at the same time for the same reason. Those veterans in the house care to show us a statement from CIC saying its okay to do both at the same time? Perhaps the guy mentioned who got both TRV and PR was approved first for a PR?

Firstly, i personally most often admonish people to always find useful information for themselves first from appropraite and reliable sources regarding any issue.

That being said, there is such a thing in the IRCC ACT and REGULATION as "dual intent" with official guideline regarding all that is involved. Find the link here

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/institutions/intent.asp

Some people think you cannot apply for both study permit(temp res) and PR at the same time. This is NOT true. You actually can! As a matter of fact, the requirements and procedures are very clear ,unambiguous and available to who ever need it.

In simple words, IRCC evaluates each application for the category you apply for based on this ACT and it's rule. Officers don't just make a decision on an application. They follow a LAW that has been established as guidelines for each category of their migration program be it temporary or permanent.

Now, here is the confusion associated with this dual intent. For a temporary residence application(Study permit), you MUST prove to officers that your primary intention is to stay temporarily and leave after study. With a PR application filled in at the same time, some people would say or think that it will contradict that aspect of 'returning back after the study' and this is where alot of people get confused and just advise one intent at a time including agents, lawyers etc forgetting that IRCC ACT stipulates for each individual purpose and have it's requirements for such purpose without contradicting the other.

IRCC does not care whether you want to live temporarily or permanently live in Canada or not. When applying for study permit or PR, you must satisfy each requirements. If an applicant does that sufficiently, both status will be issued because they are treated as 2 different files. Non is SUBJECT to the other.

Another important thing we all should understand is that studying in canada is also a process to PR. The only difference is that it is a temporal stay, applicants will have to show genuine interest and must convince officers they will leave at the end of their study even though there is chance of becoming a PR. The IRCC acts empowers officers to evaluate study permit applicants on this premise. They just want to evaluate that if such applicant does not get permanent status eventually, they should have strong hometies to return to without a likelyhood to overstay their temporary status. This can be shown by strong ties to home country eg an established life and job with a respectable income, family business, properties etc.

The fear some folks have while applying for PR and study permit at the same time is that since PR means going permanently to canada, it will not reflect your claim to return back as filled in your study permit application. My only advice will be when applying for both, MAKE SURE you have other strong home ties aside family. You would have satisfied officers of your intent for a study permit by so doing and not necessarily for your PR application.

With that being said, when you apply for a study permit, having a PR application in process or not, you would be evaluated on the same grounds as another person with only study permit application and your PR application will be evaluated on the grounds of another person with a PR application. Nothing is dependent on the other. It's a stand alone process which each individual must meet the provisions and requirements of the established ACT.

jnyuwa02:


The question is if you have applied to remain, not enter Canada. Thinking about it more, I guess been refused entry at the border does not count as applying to remain in Canada. Been denied a visa also does not count as applying to remain in Canada. You have never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to "remain" there. That is why they also ask you if you have ever been denied entry to Canada. That is the question you should have checked yes. That said, no I do not think it will count as misrepresentation. They will know you never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to remain there. Worse come to worst, they will issue administration review request and you can explain that it was an honest mistake from your end.

I don't know why each time i see your post, i just keep smiling

My Cameroon bound guy! Actually, the question on the form is " Have you previously applied to enter or remain in Canada" ?

Being refused entry at the border ofcos means one was denied entry to canada. So it is valid for border denial and not necessarily remaining.

The question of being refused a visa before is the question 2b while that of border, extentions or applications while in canada is question 2c on the IMM 1294 form( application form).

By the way, when is the Cameroun trip? its count down already o. The three weeks you long for is almost due.

marvel4love:

What if you've been refused study permit before? Isn't that applying to enter Canada? I've been refused before and while reapplying I ticked yes to that question cause I felt it meant I've applied to enter Canada before. Hope this won't be an issue of misrepresentation o? Though I explained that I applied last year and was refused for purpose of visit. @Austinpee and other gurus

You don't have to worry about that. And no, it won't be an issue of misrepresentation. You already answered yes and declared you were refused a visa whether you ticked one box or both. It is now left to them to open their records and ascertain when and what happened.

So what if you ticked NO in the both questions but explained in your visa letter that you have once be denied

Adedrizzy:
So what if you ticked NO in the both questions but explained in your visa letter that you have once be denied

I cannot say if officers are compelled to use statements made by applicants. But the form declarations as filled and signed are archived which form part of the applicant's immigration profile.

IRCC will have to respond to you regarding that since you didn't declare it in your form. Most often, issue of misrepresentation are referenced from declaration on the application form. I can't tell you how yours will play out. So you just have to wait and see how event turns out.

jnyuwa02:


If the school does not require a supervisor, please do not adhere to the errorneous advice to contact faculties. For what? It gives no edge. My school didn't require me to get any supervisor. I contacted no one. I got a full scholarship. Your academic qualification and statement of intent are the edges you need.

which school and course did you get the full scholarship?

valenti12:
House, please forgive me derailing

Abeg who don collect FUTO transcript before for hia.
The online transcipt request portal is worse than worst.
Anyone? Please advise on how to go about mine.

i will advice u go to futo and apply in person. don't think that online thing works o! don't think they even pay attention to it. and transcript request can really take time to process so you would want to meet someone who u can tip to facilitate things for you. my husband had a terrible experience with futo. took about 5 months to find his transcript although he graduated more than 13yrs ago

jnyuwa02:


This is a good strategy. I stayed away from doing both at the same time for the same reason. Those veterans in the house care to show us a statement from CIC saying its okay to do both at the same time? Perhaps the guy mentioned who got both TRV and PR was approved first for a PR?

A guy on this thread applied for both and got them at the same time , will check to know his moniker

Aig84:
Seriously doubt that as money in pension isn't wholly available at once, I'm guessing your sponsor isn't retired yet.

Yeah, he's not retired yet

Hello house....I applied to university of Manitoba m.eng in mechanical and havnt been given admission for over 2months now because I havnt been able to secure an advisor or a supervisor even wen I am applying for course work and not research. How did u guys cross that hurdle? Am stuck here

Austinpee4:



I don't know why each time i see your post, i just keep smiling

My Cameroon bound guy! Actually, the question on the form is " Have you previously applied to enter or remain in Canada" ?

Being refused entry at the border ofcos means one was denied entry to canada. So it is valid for border denial and not necessarily remaining.

The question of being refused a visa before is the question 2b while that of border, extentions or applications while in canada is question 2c on the IMM 1294 form( application form).

By the way, when is the Cameroun trip? its count down already o. The three weeks you long for is almost due.

Okay I was not looking at the form, just responding to what the person asked. His question was concerning remaining in Canada. But yes you are right. I may be applying in Nigeria if I can make it from here in September. Cameroon is a last resort if I have any reason to believe applying in Nigeria would delay me. I lived in the United States all these donkey years. I have to get a police report there and from Nigeria showing I never been in any kind of trouble. FBI takes 6 weeks to produce such a report. We will see. How about you sir?

Austinpee4:



I don't know why each time i see your post, i just keep smiling

My Cameroon bound guy! Actually, the question on the form is " Have you previously applied to enter or remain in Canada" ?

Being refused entry at the border ofcos means one was denied entry to canada. So it is valid for border denial and not necessarily remaining.

The question of being refused a visa before is the question 2b while that of border, extentions or applications while in canada is question 2c on the IMM 1294 form( application form).

By the way, when is the Cameroun trip? its count down already o. The three weeks you long for is almost due.

Okay I was not looking at the form, just responding to what the person asked. His question was concerning remaining in Canada. But yes you are right. I may be applying in Nigeria if I can make it from here in September. Cameroon is a last resort if I have any reason to believe applying in Nigeria would delay me. I lived in the United States all these donkey years. I have to get a police report there and from Nigeria showing I never been in any kind of trouble. FBI takes 6 weeks to produce such a report. We will see. How about you sir?

jnyuwa02:


The question is if you have applied to remain, not enter. Thinking about it more, I guess been refused entry at the border does not count as remaining in Canada. Been denied a visa also does not count as applying to remain in Canada. You have never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to "remain" there. That is why they also ask you if you have ever been denies entry to Canada. That is the one you should have checked yes. That said, no I do not think it will count as misrepresentation. They will know you never entered Canada, so there is no way to have applied to remain there. Worse come to worst, they will issue administration review request and you can explain that it was a mistake from your end.

the question is" ' Have you previously applied to enter or remain in Canada' so if you have been applied for a Canadian visa before your answer should be yes

Can I submit a personal 3months SOA....am presently working and am not a sponsor.. I just want to add my SOA...is 3months OK

Yomalicious:


the question is" ' Have you previously applied to enter or remain in Canada' so if you have been applied for a Canadian visa before your answer should be yes

That is the answer. ...

Austinpee4:

You don't have to worry about that. And no, it won't be an issue of misrepresentation. You already answered yes and declared you were refused a visa whether you ticked one box or both. It is now left to them to open their records and ascertain when and what happened.

Alright, thank you

mcobex:
A guy on this thread applied for both and got them at the same time , will check to know his moniker

Please can you fish out the guy?

forumlove:


i will advice u go to futo and apply in person. don't think that online thing works o! don't think they even pay attention to it. and transcript request can really take time to process so you would want to meet someone who u can tip to facilitate things for you. my husband had a terrible experience with futo. took about 5 months to find his transcript although he graduated more than 13yrs ago

Thanks a Zillion

CanadianNurse:
there you go! My lawyer said! My agent said!

I'm telling you someone on this thread recently got both pr and study permit at the same time


Austinpee4 never reach to be person agent?

@canadiannurse please please and please you dont have to force your opinion down everyones throat. Everyone has a right to hes or her opinion. you may not agree. NL is free abeg dont make it look as if you be headmistress.

jnyuwa02:


Please can you fish out the guy?

Here is the moniker @arcayo
check below link

https://www.nairaland.com/3649314/canadian-student-visa-thread-part/192

mcobex:
A guy on this thread applied for both and got them at the same time , will check to know his moniker

Arcayo

Hello house....I applied to university of Manitoba m.eng in mechanical and havnt been given admission for over 2months now because I havnt been able to secure an advisor or a supervisor even wen I am applying for course work and not research. How did u guys cross that hurdle? Am stuck here

HLion:
..Are you going for an undergraduate programme or post graduate

Post graduate.

vanod:


Here is the moniker @arcayo
check below link

https://www.nairaland.com/3649314/canadian-student-visa-thread-part/192

If you check hes timelines he applied for PNP while he applied for Study permit. PNP is with the province.
He got hes study permit in August, after he got LOA he applied to CIC for PR in October Note: it was after he got the study permit

Thats what i understood from the Timelines.

From those that have been long here abeg if you know anyone one that has an EE application that has gotten a study permit abeg tell me

Thanks in advance

HLion:

Nawa o..so how do you get yours

Get USD in 9ja and convert it when you get to Canada.

Omokay24:
Post graduate.

...ok