Dumaknesset:


You are yabbing a man richer than the whole south east combine and that is 500 billion estate is larger than the economy of the south east. Your diatribe smack of jealously

Don't tribalize this thread ...I am a winner and from anambra state

Statsocial:


Tinapa! Wow that sounds like an highbrow area.

All property around the area has been cleaned out unles you are buying from a reseller

deeway200:

call it anything u like. if u don't wanna be part of this greatness ,then don't even read it. As for me and my family, we will also park our helicopter there. and as for the housing ,go and build ur bungalow first before u comment

Me too oh, one for me, one for my wifey, another one for the kid, my p.a. should also have one in Jesus Name Amen.

Zech 1:17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad

I won't be surprised when it happens, this is the man God sent with a prosperity mandate and it's happening.

I know the Judases and Pharisees would be about their usual rubbish rhetorics of its their tithes, offering and co..only if they know that it way more than that there is something called Patriachal blessing that is speaking on the Man of God and his ministry.

Nodogragra4me:


Every church including the Catholics have trustees ... we don't care about who owns what ..we are blessed and not looking to own anything in winners ...any day a winners beg for your help , shot him or her ...stop taking panadol for, another Man's headache

If you have a staff who is a member fire him or her , that is if you own a company ... you are not better off than those who are given or being deceived to give .....so why bellyache ....unless you can point out a winner who you know that you are better than spiritually and materially , stop taking worrying about them


Or are you Dangote , Pope Benedict or a don jazzy? Who are you in Nigeria or outside ever since you gained this wonderful knowledge of yours

u seemed so pained 2d point where u have lost all Christian decorum. If u feel I spoke out of place, y not provide scriptures 2 buttress ur position. I have given u Acts 4:32-35 and i dpubt u have read it. If u feel I spoke out of place pls show ur depth. cos am in not in d business of comparing myself with anybody. if d whole essence of your Christianity is 2 prove that u& others in winners are better materially than other folks, then it calls 4 concern

Statsocial:

I am referring to Christians. Our wealth would also reflect in the church which would help it to propagate the gospel and create a Christian World Order.

I highlighted d word there cos its a future tense. obviously d wealth hasn't reached d followers.its only reflected in d lives of d leaders. so much opulence from their end. pls read acts 4:32-35

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jared007:
Through prosperity shall God's Kingdom be spread abroad.

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Lie from the pit of hell.

It through righteousness, holiness and doing the will of God in the Holy Ghost.

MrMcJay:
Christianity in Nigeria has lost focus.

Nope.The average non Muslim claiming Christian isn't a Christian.

Nukilia:


@ PrecisionFX, don't console yourself with poverty mode. Jesus is a blessing

Of course he is, A blessing via salvation.

I still don't think u understand the meaning of Christianity........ Christ-like.
U obviously don't.

Nodogragra4me:


Tell me what you are saved into ....into poverty or penury.... I am saved into abundance and I have no apology for it being so. ......Matt 6:33 operates effectively in my life ...no by words but by proves ...the kingdom of God is not in words but power ....I have power to get wealth...Deut 8:18.. and I should be considered a fool if i don't use it

You sound so pained for someone with abundance hope you have a peace of mind, well I have saved into a comfortable life and more importantly I live right and it doesn't make me less a human

lexy2014:
u seemed so pained 2d point where u have lost all Christian decorum. If u feel I spoke out of place, y not provide scriptures 2 buttress ur position. I have given u Acts 4:32-35 and i dpubt u have read it. If u feel I spoke out of place pls show ur depth. cos am in not in d business of comparing myself with anybody. if d whole essence of your Christianity is 2 prove that u& others in winners are better materially than other folks, then it calls 4 concern

You see how he is focused on things of the world? is this really Christianity? God has suffered.

That's right.

Nodogragra4me:



Until you join the commission you won't know much about her activities because they are not publicity driven ....Winners have scholarship that is for members only. .....you apply from your home celll where the leader attest that you are a member then it is taken to your church you are called for the interview and exams .... I know a family whose daughter is doing her PhD on the scholarship scheme of the church ...she finished from LandMark on same scholarship...


We don't have your conventional TV station and even if we do you still won't see mush of those kinds of program because we are don't have the approval addiction of some churches ..... we don't look for any opportunity to whitewash our image

You are very right. I am not a Winners member, but still fed from that ministry via Covenant university for four years and I can tell you it was pretty hard to always figure out what the ministry does per time. My close friend even once saw Bishop Oyedepo preaching somewhere in Ota-he however insisted he doesn't want to be pictured or videotaped. But from researching you may be able to glean information from other different sources on the activity of the church.

An2elect2:
Nope.The average non Muslim claiming Christian isn't a Christian.

You have a very solid point.

Even some well grounded Christian are against these acts, this is actually unawareness and false idealism
There's nothing wrong, Fraudulent,Ungodly about a Church prospering to such height
As far as i can tell there will always be nay sayers to progress be it from the righteous places to the most sinful acts
The church will always progress come rain,come war,come calamity and all that
P.S I won't react to any fucking reply to diss this comment

Nodogragra4me:



Don't tribalize this thread ...I am a winner and from anambra state

Thank you for this reply. There is no Yoruba church or Igbo church. We are all one Christian body.

Nukilia:


Don't be surprised at the crowd who will make heaven! The church is blessing lives everyday, they don't announce it to the world.

One thing I know about the man of God is this, when he says it ...God will do it

Well said bro

Statsocial:

Thank you for this reply. There is no Yoruba church or Igbo church. We are all one Christian body.

No tribe my dear... one family under Christ Jesus

Please who are the we he's referring to?

There are no j in Hebrew,Greek or Latin so they couldnt have called Him jesus, His name is Yahshua and He isn't a white boy,hus parents were Hebrews so they couldnt have given him Greek/latin/English name

abasscity:


Dude you are 80% correct. Just that the beast will be a man who will sit in the newly built temple. The temple will be built by stone free masons. I wish Nigerians can wake up from this political Christianity. The last days of this age will expose fake pastors and the people following them will be without compass. Please only follow Jesus, live righteous and read your bible

Statsocial:

Can you imagine. They dont know the value the university would bring to that community. I hope the project is ongoing and almost completed.

They are after short term benefit o PDF the now now type

Amen

Nodogragra4me:



Until you join the commission you won't know much about her activities because they are not publicity driven ....Winners have scholarship that is for members only. .....you apply from your home celll where the leader attest that you are a member then it is taken to your church you are called for the interview and exams .... I know a family whose daughter is doing her PhD on the scholarship scheme of the church ...she finished from LandMark on same scholarship...


We don't have your conventional TV station and even if we do you still won't see mush of those kinds of program because we are don't have the approval addiction of some churches ..... we don't look for any opportunity to whitewash our image

Aiite.... point noted

Statsocial:
I am kind of disputing the figure Mr Leke gave for Canaancity though. The last I heard of it. It was a 1.6 billion USD project that should be around 500 billion naira.

Also both Calabar university and Abuja one are being built at the same time. I really cant wait to see the Abuja one. I know it would be super grand since it is being built on request of FG.

In all the Federal government needs to learn from these mega churches what administration is. You can argue about this being money of the poor all you want but you cant take away the good administration that exist in indigenous Nigerian churches. Also I doubt "only poor" made this church this wealthy.


*And for all of u complaining I hope you know that the wealthiest Organization in the world is d catholic church-which is wealthier than the first five corporations in the world put together. The Church was ordained for wealth!

God bless you.

D1official:

Dat statement clearly shows dat u Dnt even hv an idea of what's coming. Hahahahaha.

it's you who can't discern the times.

Malakh:
There are no j in Hebrew,Greek or Latin so they couldnt have called Him jesus, His name is Yahshua and He isn't a white boy,hus parents were Hebrews so they couldnt have given him Greek/latin/English name

my Jewish bro "SHALOM" I see you!

real recognize real, I recognize you.

Statsocial:

That's perfectly okay. All you truly need is Jesus. If something is making u feel uncomfortable I agree that you dissociate urself from such ministeries to avoid murmurings. You just do your own and let God judge the rest but be very careful of going on an anti "some pastors" campaign because there Is too much we don't know. Try and correct the errors you see and enjoy your Christian life. Shalom

I am not looking for your applause of what is perfectly OK or not. Those Pastors who are reconstructing salvation truely need Jesus, the same with those they have co-opted into the alternative salvation that teaches that Money is all about it.
For the bolded, I think we can't overflog that it is a psychic scheme devised by these hybrids to keep their financiers in perpetual bondage and fear of them. Go through this section and see that judge not, touch not or I strike you with mouth odour is not Christianity but an alteration and misquotation of Bible passages by self appointed overlords. I don't need to know too much but I do know that alternate salvation peddlers are being exposed by God himself using human instruments and for that your 'Judge' not does not apply there. It is therefore, important you are very careful yourself of the teachings you swallow from those breeds of mediators.
I remain anti-some Pastors (most of whom have clearly alternative teachings on what makes salvation and are involved in practices/prayer forms suggesting some occult underlinings) as you put it, without any atom of fear of them as they will wish everybody to do.

Nodogragra4me:

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Now go through this fellows posts and see in between his boastings and his thought process. You will appreciate the damage that the alternative Salvation with emphasis on money has done to the labours of the early Christianity and its genuine doctrine of selflessness.
I don't know if this guy who has been thought that to be rich you must be a covenant seed and tithe sower to the Pastor whose target is to be IMF/Paris Club realized at any point that of the worlds over 7 billion population, most who never knew that version of economics and had never sown to such Pastors own thriving businesses. From communist and Arab Asians, to Europe, America and even in Africa. Act 4:32-37 and Acts 6:1-4 showed how the early Church conducted itself. Can you say the same of the Sole proprietor Churches of today?
Now even when someone wants to practice religion it hasn't changed from visiting the orphanage, helping the needy and prison inmates, clothing the naked and the love for one's neighbour. Where in religion is it a law to give all one has to Bishop for the expansion of 'gospel' of IMF and building business empires?

Topgainer:


Your fallacious (show me this or that) views are not original at all. You only spoke what you were thought to say. Plan to store up money like IMF is part up the gospel that people should empty bank account for ? Toiling or labouring is common to the people who are coerced to give to the gods of Canaan. I am not trashing out any semantics with you.
Convincing and Coercing people to give is what I have seen Oyedepo do times without number with a promise that he carries the mediatory abilities to force God to return the money given out.
I insist that the 'We' used there should not mean that Winners belong to all its partners. I don't agree with you that it belongs to God, the registered trustees are not 'all members' or Almighty God. Call a spade a spade.
You don't have a claim even to a pencil in that complex. But the Bishop David Senior, David Junior and the other members of the family have a legal claim to everything in that complex. If you buy a house in that estate, your restrictions will so stare you on the face that you will know it is only partially yours. The Bishop, knowing his temperament can eject you anytime he feels like. He may refund you even if he does not you can't win him in court with the number of Senior Advocates representing him in cases he has with people.

Sorry dear, I don't believe in the mediatory roles of Bishop Oyedepo. I have disputed some of his methods and his version of Christianity in some of my topics on this forum.
Jesus is sufficient for me and dead or alive. I will never again be found seating inside any complex listening to any man whose definitions of salvation I don't agree with. Aside Oyedepo, others are Prophet Biodun, Prophet T.B Joshua, Prophet Iginla, Pastor Ayo, Bishop Isaac Idahosa, Pastor Ibiyeomie, Rev King Ezeugo, Bishop Chris ODM and so on.
Once there is a resemblance of Judaism (or occults) in practice and prayer forms count me out be it mantle, human mediators, oil, anointed water, almanac, stickers, idol figure of General Overseer, selling of salvation in whatever disguise, assignments, coerced sacrifices to accelerate answers to prayers and all forms of Elijahs, Moses and Joshuas of our time. Count me out.
Jesus is enough for me.

sorry what you listed there is not true Judaism because I practice Judaism, but I like what you said. and you corrected him too.

Nodogragra4me:


Your smartness is very local for it is unprofitable to you and yours..... I allowed him deceive me to the point where I could afford to marry within three years of joining the commission , acquire my own property for millions and feed my family without making a prayer point out of it ..... you are not even a quality customer of your bank but in I go to first bank and I am taken into a cozy room reserve for gold customer and they send somebody to run my errand while I sip cold drink .....it was not like that until I left the Catholic birch to pursue God rather than religion .........I am a fool for the winners commission for life .... Have you ever seen a gold member ATM card, do you have your name and surname printed on any? So what is the use of your smartness

plz spare us dis ur long sermon, go to vatican city and see wat prosperity is all abt

feelgoodInc:

sorry what you listed there is not true Judaism because I practice Judaism, but I like what you said. and you corrected him too.

Those folks are neither here nor there. I know they mix a little here and there where convenient especially when it concerns obtaining money from people. That is why I often say it is hybridization. Three things are there, borrowed a little from Judaism, so much from occultism and a little spices from Christianity to confuse the gullibles.
I can't begin to recount my experiences with these folks but by and large they confess Christianity but practice other arts which partially works the same way Sorcery, Witchcraft, Hinduism, Eckism, Buddhism and other faiths work.

Topgainer:

Those folks are neither here nor there. I know they mix a little here and there where convenient especially when it concerns obtaining money from people. That is why I often say it is hybridization. Three things are there, borrowed a little from Judaism, so much from occultism and a little spices from Christianity to confuse the gullibles.

remember the promise they gave to them that because ye are neither cold or hot then he shall spew them out of his mouth.

realmindz:

Projects like;
1. Nigeria commissioned best medical lab in Africa with world class tech and facility
2. 1,000,000 youth to gain employment in Nigeria youth development programme
3. Nigeria launches Africa's best space research lab. 500,000 nigerian youth to undergo training.
4. 2,000,000 homes in Nigeria to be powered by Africa's largest solar and other renewable technology.
and many more.


If so, we shall no longer look into the sky to pray while the whites enjoy space exploration.
The gods have no business with our problem, they are less concerned.
There is no problem worse than ignorance, illiterate and poverty

Somewhere in your mind,
Whites dont pray
The last time I checked, they do....
Even Donald Trump took oath with a bible and prayed while sworn in as president.
Somebody like u thinks he took the oath with a science textbook.

As a matter of fact, religious countries are developing very well...... Generally faster than atheist countries

In short, i dont need to talk much to expose the fallacies and foolishness in that comment you put up.