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Basic123:
As usual,yorubas the sophisticated tribe herself,has started debunking lies and propaganda with facts!


I LOVE YORUBAS

Lol I'm not Yoruba. I'm from Akwa Ibom. It was a fun thread though.

Markfemi:


have you observe ibo is the only one on yoruba case
niger delta wey get sea and oil no even send yoruba
yoruba is more than them in population
yoruba is richer than them
we have bigger lands oyo alone bigger than south east
we have sea across lagos ogun ondo
we have border in lagos ogunn kwara

loool so they envy us a lot that said
we need to restrcuture so we can enjoy these resources or pull out of nigeria

Pulling out will be better

Markfemi:


will you keep quiet
the reason lagos ports is number 1 is due to 2 things
- Population
-Economic advantage
- Closeness to wealthy states like Ogun and Ibadan
-Closeness to North central via Jebba in Kwara state
-Borders cotonou so you can easily import raw materials drive down and sell to west africa

Its called geographical advantage
Singapore has it
UAE has it

nothing you can do to change it

Also, closeness to other west African counteurs like Benin republic, Togo, ghana e.t.c

diadem10:


All mostly built with revenues from Western resources, not SS oil. If you want a state that benefited from SS oil, look no further from Abuja.

Why am I even having this stupid discourse with you? Th british built more than 1 seaports, one in Calabar in Eastern region and another in Lagos, in the then western region yet the Ibo won't allow us to rest and keeps crying. First Niger bridge was also built in SE but will they let us rest? Lmao..

You've got nothing on us. There's nothing te FG did in Lagos that it didn't do in the Eastern part. Lagos became what it is today because we are simply blessed! Don't envy, we aint responsible for your woe.

As with your other claims, you don't have a shred of evidence of this. Sorry. We will have to work with facts here. Not empty chest beating and your imaginations. At least, you weren't dishonest enough to try to completely belittle Federal efforts in Lagos. Merely claiming the Federal government used your money. Still a fanciful claim, but a different type of falsehood.

There's nothing the FG did in Lagos that it didn't do in the East? Congrats for the single most reetarded claim in the entire thread.

diadem10:


Lol..

This one dey compare Bitumen extracted from crude oil after being refined with Bitumen resources (heavy crude oil resources.. Mumu!

And here I thought I was having a discourse with an intellectual fellow, not knowing you're one village champion. lol.

And let me inform your dumb head that as long as the said offshore rigs has its base in Bayelsa and Delta, there's little we can do because as far as one Nigeria is concerned, we share the same coastline until we balkanise Nigeria as a whole, then our coast line will have to be carved from the depth of Atlantic shore to our land border that separates Ondo from Delta.. Delta and Bayelsa would only have a narrow coastline to themselves after balkanisation.

And it's a fact that Ondo has the second largest oil reserves in the world, after Canada. Mumu.

The bolded doesn't even make any sense and was never claimed anywhere in the thread.
You've made no "discourse" either. On a civil thread of disagreements, right from your very first response, you were an obnoxious cretin. With plenty of bluster, hot air and fraudulent claims. I'm still waiting for your stats that prove Ondo has the world's largest oil deposits after Canada. You think I'll let you off the hook for your reetarded claims just because of your bluster.

Continue dreaming about those oil wells. Bayelsa and Delta are enjoying them. There's not a gaddem thing your keyboard warrior bluster will ever change about that.

Obi1kenobi:


As with your other claims, you don't have a shred of evidence of this. Sorry. We will have to work with facts here. Not empty chest beating and your imaginations. At least, you weren't dishonest enough to try to completely belittle Federal efforts in Lagos. Merely claiming the Federal government used your money. Still a fanciful claim, but a different type of falsehood.

There's nothing the FG did in Lagos that it didn't do in the East? Congrats for the single most reetarded claim in the entire thread.

Will you shut your trash?

You mean there were no seaports in the then Eastern region? There was no Bridge, what happened to the first Niger bridge? Who built your coal plant and other power plants in the then eastern region?

Deluded losers everywhere..

And nope, I only supported the claim of seaport and the bridges being built by the FG but let reiterate that they were mostly built with revenues from the SW. The development of the other 17 Lg was by our dear Awolowo, not any stupid FG. It aint our fault your land is cursed!

diadem10:


Will you shut your trash?

You mean there were no seaports in the then Eastern region? There was no Bridge, what happened to the first Niger bridge? Who built your coal plant and other power plants in the then eastern region?

Deluded losers everywhere..

And nope, I only supported the claim of seaport and the bridges being built by the FG but let reiterate that they were mostly built with revenues from the SW. The development of the other 17 Lg was by our dear Awolowo, not any stupid FG. It aint our fault your land is cursed!

Seaports used to cart away crude with little capacity to handle incoming freight. Guess which is more important to business men all along the Eastern corridor of the country from South to Maidugri who have to come to Lagos to claim their goods? And our coal plant doesn't work anymore. I guess that's all our fault too. We should certainly bow in gratitude for our creaking single Niger Bridge while 3 proudly stand connecting the Lagos mainland and Island. And be thankful for having the worst network of Federal roads in the country with by far the lowest Federal institutional presence among the regions.

"Reiterating" your unfounded assertion still doesn't make it true. The overwhelming majority of the 17 LG's "developed" by Awo were undeveloped backwaters compared to the Federal administered areas of Lagos. Most of them still are today.

Obi1kenobi:


The bolded doesn't even make any sense and was never claimed anywhere in the thread.
You've made no "discourse" either. On a civil thread of disagreements, right from your very first response, you were an obnoxious cretin. With plenty of bluster, hot air and fraudulent claims. I'm still waiting for your stats that prove Ondo has the world's largest oil deposits after Canada. You think I'll let you off the hook for your reetarded claims just because of your bluster.

Continue dreaming about those oil wells. Bayelsa and Delta are enjoying them. There's not a gaddem thing your keyboard warrior bluster will ever change about that.

How will it make sense when you keep equating bitumen refined from crude oil to mean heavy crude oil? Deluded village champion.

It's quite a sorry case that you don't know me but now that you've known me, I will gladly inform you I don't suffer eediots. I'm an Ondo state civilian and know everything about my state, hence any eediot who makes a stupid claim will get it from me.

The quote below was from our amiable Governor Akeredolu when FG awarded an oil bloc license to Ondo state in 2017.

"Ondo state boasts of possessing one of the largest reserves of Bitumen and Tar Sands in the world; about 42 billion barrels. Ondo State is also endowed with large deposits of various solid minerals including Limestone, Coal, Granite, Kaolin, Silica Sand amongst other minerals."

“Ondo State as one of the nine oil and gas producing states has abundant oil and gas reserves that remain undeveloped, even though we produce about 12 % of the daily oil production in the country.​”​ On​ his plans for Agriculture development, Akeredolu explained that Ondo special focus is on ”​our comparative advantage in agriculture, which are palm oil and cocoa​”​. ”​We want to develop our palm oil to the extent where we have a self-sustaining palm oil industry. We fed the western region during the first republic and I can assure you that we will do it again. “Meanwhile, we will not leave out rice production in Ondo state.

Culled from: http://dailypost.ng/2017/07/19/fg-awards-oil-block-license-ondo-bitumen-exploration-photos/

As a matter of fact, there's no need for a long story. Come to Ilaje, you will see before your very eyes several places where light oil and bitumen keeps seeping out from the ground. That's how blessed we're. You can't tell me what I know about my state and the main reason I called you out on your stupidity.

Btw, I thought you wanted a balkanised Nigeria? Why are you singing a different song now that you know Ondo got its coastline short-changed by one Nigeria nonsense proposed by Zik?

Can we now say Eboes are nothing but jealous envious losers who's main aspiration in this world is to see the downfall of the Yorubas? But God won't allow you! Yeye.

Obi1kenobi:


Seaports used to cart away crude with little capacity to handle incoming freight. Guess which is more important to business men all along the Eastern corridor of the country from South to Maidugri who have to come to Lagos to claim their goods? And our coal plant doesn't work anymore. I guess that's all our fault too. We should certainly bow in gratitude for our creaking single Niger Bridge while 3 proudly stand connecting the Lagos mainland and Island. And be thankful for having the worst network of Federal roads in the country with by far the lowest Federal institutional presence among the regions.

"Reiterating" your unfounded assertion still doesn't make it true. The overwhelming majority of the 17 LG's "developed" by Awo were undeveloped backwaters compared to the Federal administered areas of Lagos. Most of them still are today.

The question is did the FG under the british not found a seaport in the Eastern part like it did in the western part? Yes or No?

Whatever happened to it or whatever the cons aint our headache! How is it our fault that your seaport isn't as deep and economically viable? Well, you've got another one now at Port harcourt, so why are you still wailing?

What about the former Niger bridge that got severed by your Biafra brothers because they wanted to drown Nigeria military men during the civil war? Are we also responsible for your brothers that destroyed the infrastructures in the SE?

And what happened to the 5 yrs tenure of your acclaimed son, Ebelechukwu Jonathan whom your SE brothers wanted to kill for the continuance of his government? Why didn't he construct those federal roads in his 5 yrs in office? Why didn't he revive the dead coal plant in the SE?

As a matter of fact, name the infrastructures that were revived in Lagos by any of Jonathan, Obj and the military men like you're calling for your dead coal plant and all? Have you forgotten that Obj withdrew federal allocation from Lagos for many yrs? If not for Tinubu's intelligence, God knows what we would be saying.. Jonathan also did nothing in Lagos throughout his tenure..

I repeat it's not the FG that made Lagos what it is today? Or is it also the FG that made Eko atlantic project possible today? Yeye.

diadem10:


How will it make sense when you keep equating bitumen refined from crude oil to mean heavy crude oil? Deluded village champion.

It's quite a sorry case that you don't know me but now that you've known me, I will gladly inform you I don't suffer eediots. I'm an Ondo state civilian and know everything about my state, hence any eediot who makes a stupid claim will get it from me.

The quote below was from our amiable Governor Akeredolu when FG awarded an oil bloc license to Ondo state in 2017.



Culled from: http://dailypost.ng/2017/07/19/fg-awards-oil-block-license-ondo-bitumen-exploration-photos/

As a matter of fact, there's no need for a long story. Come to Ilaje, you will see before your very eyes several places where light oil and bitumen keeps seeping out from the ground. That's how blessed we're. You can't tell me what I know about my state and the main reason I called you out on your stupidity.

Btw, I thought you wanted a balkanised Nigeria? Why are you singing a different song now that you know Ondo got its coastline short-changed by one Nigeria nonsense proposed by Zik?

Can we now say Eboes are nothing but jealous envious losers who's main aspiration in this world is to see the downfall of the Yorubas? But God won't allow you! Yeye.

You've still made no sense with your Bitumen waffle. Then you exposed yourself as a window-licking reetard with the laughable evidence you quoted to support your claims that Ondo has the largest oil reserves in the world after Canada.

1) Nigeria as a country doesn't even rank among the top 10 of oil reserves in the world. Yet, the window-licking reetard you are thinks Ondo state has the 2nd highest in the world.
2) Even disregarding crude as a whole and factoring only Bitumen, the 2nd largest reserves in the world after Canada belong to Venezuela with reserves estimated at close to 300 billion barrels. Then countries like Russia and Kazakhstan. Which will still expose you as a fraud. And the type of shameless fraud who postures like he knows what he's saying when he's a phony.
3) Then you quote your state governor as an authority. The governor who claimed Ondo produces 12% of Nigeria's crude, when their percentage ranges from 3 to 4% from year to year.

Clearly, I can tell you a lot about your state since you're a raving buffoon. If you're going to be an obnoxious cretin next time, at least ensure you have all your facts correct and you'd look less absurd with the keyboard warrior flexing and laughable intellectual posturing.

Your playground tribal insults are beneath me. I'd leave that to the lowly dregs who do it.

Blue3k:


Lol I'm not Yoruba. I'm from Akwa Ibom. It was a fun thread though.

Thanks Bro! We appreciate you. Only the truth can set us free in this country. Not lies, not hate, not blackmail and definitely not propaganda.

Obi1kenobi:


You've still made no sense with your Bitumen waffle. Then you exposed yourself as a window-licking reetard with the laughable evidence you quoted to support your claims that Ondo has the largest oil reserves in the world after Canada.

1) Nigeria as a country doesn't even rank among the top 10 of oil reserves in the world. Yet, the window-licking reetard you are thinks Ondo state has the 2nd highest in the world.
2) Even disregarding crude as a whole and factoring only Bitumen, the 2nd largest reserves in the world after Canada belong to Venezuela with reserves estimated at close to 300 billion barrels. Which will still expose you as a fraud. And the type of shameless fraud who postures like he knows what he's saying when he's a phony.
3) Then you quote your state governor as an authority. The governor who claimed Ondo produces 12% of Nigeria's crude, when their percentage ranges from 3 to 4% from year to year.

Clearly, I can tell you a lot about your state since you're a raving buffoon. If you're going to be an obnoxious cretin next time, at least ensure you have all your facts correct and you'd look less absurd with the keyboard warrior flexing and laughable intellectual posturing.

Your playground tribal insults are beneath me. I'd leave that to the lowly dregs who do it.

Lol at 3-4%? Who doesn't know Ondo state produces more than 10% of Nigeria oil todaay? It's like I just have to keep schooling you.

This quote below was culled from the Nigeria federal govt resources website (http://www.minesandsteel.gov.ng/portfolio/bitumen/)

The estimated probable reserves of bitumen in Ondo State (Southwest region of Nigeria) is 16 billion barrels, while that of tar sands and heavy oil is estimated at 42 billion barrels, almost as twice the amount of existing reserves of crude petroleum. Nigeria has the second largest deposit of bitumen in the world, spanning approximately 120km.

Is the quote above also a lie?

Look here, the only one who went tribal is yourself. Self entitled hypocrites who keep churning out lies to degrade others while playing the victims disgust me so much.

Look here, we are that blessed, I don't expect an envious loser as yourself to be happy with such blessing but just note we aint responsible for your woe!

diadem10:


Lol at 3-4%? Who doesn't know Ondo state produces more than 10% of Nigeria oil todaay? It's like I just have to keep schooling you.

This quote below was culled from the Nigeria federal govt resources website (http://www.minesandsteel.gov.ng/portfolio/bitumen/)



Is the quote above also a lie?

Look here, the only one who went tribal is yourself. Self entitled hypocrites who keep churning out lies to degrade others while playing the victims disgust me so much.

Look here, we are that blessed, I don't expect an envious loser as yourself to be happy with such blessing but just note we aint responsible for your woe!

Schooling me without facts? These are the NDDC figures for oil production from 2015?
https://www.nairaland.com/2708477/oil-producing-states-nigeria-facts

Oya, abeg show me where your 10% comes from. Na beg I beg o. Please, school me.

And yes, that quote is a lie. I've checked loads of sources for global bitumen reserves, and I don't see Nigeria at any phony 2nd.

When you find yourself in a hole, it's best you stop digging.

Obi1kenobi:


Schooling me without facts? These are the NDDC figures for oil production from 2015?
https://www.nairaland.com/2708477/oil-producing-states-nigeria-facts

Oya, abeg show me where your 10% comes from. Na beg I beg o. Please, school me.

And yes, that quote is a lie. I've checked loads of sources for global bitumen reserves, and I don't see Nigeria at any phony 2nd.

When you find yourself in a hole, it's best you stop digging.

Lmao..

You believed an audit/chart from whatever website but a quote from the FG mineral and resources website was a lie? You're one loser that can't be taken serious. Anyone that stays in Ilaje already knows whatzup, even without the FG input in the first place.

Well, Nigeria FG experts on mineral and resources state that Ondo has twice of Nigerian oil reserves and the second largest bitumen in the whole world, you can go and jump into a lagoon if you're that disturbed by the news.

Bunch of envious losers!

diadem10:


Lmao..

You believed an audit/chart from whatever website but a quote from the FG mineral and resources website was a lie? You're one loser that can't be taken serious. Anyone that stays in Ilaje already knows whatzup, even without the FG input in the first place.

Well, Nigeria FG experts on mineral and resources state that Ondo has twice of Nigerian oil reserves and the second largest bitumen in the whole world, you can go and jump into a lagoon if you're that disturbed by the news.

Bunch of envious losers!

Oh, so now Ondo has twice Nigeria's oil reserves? Your FG "expert" claim about having the 2nd largest Bitumen reserves is bogus. I've already shown you that Venezuela with almost 300b barrels in reserve has over 7 times as much as your vaunted reserves and you're still claiming nonsense. And even after them come countries like Russia and Kazakhstan and you're still there peddling your fake stats.

And my audit chart from "whatever website" are stats from NDDC with a clear breakdown of state contributions to crude production capacity. If you have alternate stats, present them. You can also check this one (http://oilrevenueng.org/oil-producing-states-3/). Even your fellow Yorubas on this thread with common sense know there is no way in hell Ondo produces 12% of the nation's crude. Your governor almost rivals you in peddling fake facts. Just because some Nigerian government officials claim their state has something doesn't make it true. El Rufai once claimed Kaduna had more gold than South Africa in a investors' summit which was absurd.

Obi1kenobi:


Oh, so now Ondo has twice Nigeria's oil reserves? Your FG "expert" claim about having the 2nd largest Bitumen reserves is bogus. I've already shown you that Venezuela with almost 300b barrels in reserve has over 7 times as much as your vaunted reserves and you're still claiming nonsense. And even after them come countries like Russia and Kazakhstan and you're still there peddling your fake stats.

And my audit chart from "whatever website" are stats from NDDC with a clear breakdown of state contributions to crude production capacity. If you have alternate stats, present them. You can also check this one (http://oilrevenueng.org/oil-producing-states-3/). Even your fellow Yorubas on this thread with common sense know there is no way in hell Ondo produces 12% of the nation's crude. Your governor almost rivals you in peddling fake facts. Just because some Nigerian government officials claim their state has something doesn't make it true. El Rufai once claimed Kaduna had more gold than South Africa in a investors' summit which was absurd.

Lmao.

I have always known that Eboes and comprehension issues are quite synonymous! Nor be today.

while that of tar sands and heavy oil is estimated at 42 billion barrels, almost as twice the amount of existing reserves of crude petroleum. Nigeria has the second largest deposit of bitumen in the world, spanning approximately 120km.

The embolden and underlined part are what? your dumb head, right? Lol.

Venezuela has got plenty of Bitumen reserves? Well, if we've got more spanning over 120km in Ondo state s!

Btw, the website you quoted isn't a federal govt known site nor NDDC site unlike the one I quoted from.

You know what, get off my mention if you have nothing else to contribute other than your rants and stupidity...

diadem10:


Lmao.

I have always known that Eboes and comprehension issues are quite synonymous! Nor be today.



The embolden and underlined part are what? your dumb head, right? Lol.

Venezuela has got plenty of Bitumen reserves? Well, if we've got more spanning over 120km in Ondo state s!

Btw, the website you quoted isn't a federal govt known site nor NDDC site unlike the one I quoted from.

You know what, get off my mention if you have nothing else to contribute other than your rants and stupidity...

While Yorubas are certainly smart people. I know plenty of them. You just happen to be one of the dumb ones. I'm still waiting for those stats that claim Ondo has the world's 2nd largest oil reserves.

These are just 2 sites that disprove your claim that Ondo has the world's 2nd largest bitumen reserves:
http://www.total.com/sites/default/files/atoms/file/total-extra-heavy-oils-and-bitumen-reserves-for-the-future
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Bitumen#World.27s_largest_bitumen_deposits

I can bet anything, Nigeria wouldn't get in the top 5. Might just scrape the top 10 at best. Canada has 1.7 trillion barrels of Bitumen - as much as the whole world's crude oil combined. Venezuela has 300 billion. Extraction technology is complex and in Canada, only about 10% is extractable with modern tech: a consistent trend showing the difficulty in mining Bitumen. And yet, the amala you have for brains can't comprehend that 40 billion is far less than 1.7 trillion or 300 billion and you keep waffling the same shiit like a programmed zombie.

You think I'll let you off the hook for peddling horseshit here while posturing as some great repository of knowledge? If you can't argue like a grown, civil human with manners, then next time you choose to be an obnoxious cretin, come well armed with your wits. Arguments aren't won by who barks like a rabid dog the most.

Obi1kenobi:


While Yorubas are certainly smart people. I know plenty of them. You just happen to be one of the dumb ones. I'm still waiting for those stats that claim Ondo has the world's 2nd largest oil reserves.

These are just 2 sites that disprove your claim that Ondo has the world's 2nd largest bitumen reserves:
http://www.total.com/sites/default/files/atoms/file/total-extra-heavy-oils-and-bitumen-reserves-for-the-future
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Bitumen#World.27s_largest_bitumen_deposits

I can bet anything, Nigeria wouldn't get in the top 5. Might just scrape the top 10 at best. Canada has 1.7 trillion barrels of Bitumen - as much as the whole world's crude oil combined. Venezuela has 300 billion. Extraction technology is complex and in Canada, only about 10% is extractable with modern tech: a consistent trend showing the difficulty in mining Bitumen. And yet, the amala you have for brains can't comprehend that 40 billion is far less than 1.7 trillion or 300 billion and you keep waffling the same shiit like a programmed zombie.

You think I'll let you off the hook for peddling horseshit here while posturing as some great repository of knowledge? If you can't argue like a grown, civil human with manners, then next time you choose to be an obnoxious cretin, come well armed with your wits. Arguments aren't won by who barks like a rabid dog the most.

Lmao.. You must mean the Bitumen under exploration because as far as I'm concerned, Veneuzuela has started its exploration several years ago whereas Ondo state hasn't even begun yet you wanted it to be in a Guinness book of record? Lol.. The fact is Ondo state has the second largest Bitumen in the world as acclaimed by experts based on the land mass it covered!

And I'm not responsible for your stupidity if you don't know Bitumen is a crude oil. Also, the quoted 42 billion is for the tar sands and heavy oil in Ondo state, not the Bitumen. Why are you this dumb though? You really disappointed me..

And don't make me laugh at you wanting a civil dialogue.. Conniving manipulative weasel wanted a civil discourse? Lol.. I can perceive a manipulative fellow from far away no matter how hard he tries to hide it.

diadem10:


Lmao.. You must mean the Bitumen under exploration because as far as I'm concerned, Veneuzuela has started its exploration several years ago whereas Ondo state hasn't even begun yet you wanted it to be in a Guinness book of record? Lol.. The fact is Ondo state has the second largest Bitumen in the world as acclaimed by experts based on the land mass it covered!

And I'm not responsible for your stupidity if you don't know Bitumen is a crude oil. Also, the quoted 42 billion is for the tar sands and heavy oil in Ondo state, not the Bitumen. Why are you this dumb though? You really disappointed me..

And don't make me laugh at you wanting a civil dialogue.. Conniving manipulative weasel wanted a civil discourse? Lol.. I can perceive a manipulative fellow from far away no matter how hard he tries to hide it.

I've conclusively demonstrated your claims were false with actual numbers and you simply repeat the same sheite.
It's like playing chess with a pigeon: it just knocks over the pieces and shiits on the board and struts around like a victor. I've clearly trolled myself attempting to argue with an irredeemable cretin.

It's alright. Ondo have the world's 2nd largest oil reserves.

Obi1kenobi:


I've conclusively demonstrated your claims were false with actual numbers and you simply repeat the same sheite.
It's like playing chess with a pigeon: it just knocks over the pieces and shiits on the board and struts around like a victor. I've clearly trolled myself attempting to argue with an irredeemable cretin.

It's alright. Ondo have the world's 2nd largest oil reserves.

Lol!

False? The land mass it covered aint false and we are yet to know its km square because we haven't mapped it nor began its exploration..

Anyway, it was oil experts in Nigeria who stated that Ondo has the second largest bitumen in the world, not I. They were also the ones with the claim of Ondo having twice the oil reserves in Nigeria, not I.

Weasel as yourself can cry me a river if you're that pained!

Deluded Yorubas on it again. Tomorrow Nupe, or who ever are indigenes of abuja area will beat their chest and announce that Abuja was built with Abuja money. we dont need industrious igbos. land developers.

They will ask what was the revenue when it was Federal capital - (if the Capital was moved) ? forgetting the massive infrastructure laydown by FG.

They will say Abuja is blessed, its location in the heart, Igbos are simply jealous.

Abuja was built with tin money. money made from tin extraction by our very midbelt awoloowoe.


why is ibadan not like lagos ?
ibadan is the traditional capital of the yorubas and western Nigeria?



This is getting comical. Lagos is what it is today because of its position as a formal Federal capital terroritory. All the embassies were soley located in lagos.
(dont tell me its the embassies choice, FG decides where an embassy can station)

It had the only Functional Airport Federal airport in Nigeria for a long time before Abuja came on. Kano and the other are 2nd tier airports.

Every Nigeria needing to travel had to visit Lagos first to get a visa. most times would have to wait for 3 weeks to get a response. Many a times, people stay in lagos to wait out the process.
Hereby spending money in lagos
. spend money on hotels
. Money spent on food , shopping.

same as well, when getting into the country. Lagos became a sort of Mecca. Its inevitable . you must come to Lagos if you have to get into Nigeria.


Banks.

Federal policy of having the central bank in Lagos
Bank tend to HQ where the bank of the country is.
hence the rise of Marina. Every bank head quarter is in Lagos.
Banks corporate taxes are recorded as Lagos's depite their operation being across the country.
take example of unity bank- a northern focus bank, with its operation mainly in the north, its revenues are mostly from the north, yet their corporate taxes are paid in lagos.


Seaport: will come to this later.

Oil and gas companies.: Majority of lagos taxes are generated from oil company and banks corporate taxes.

Oil companies despite their operations being in the Niger delta record their massive corporate taxes as Lagos's.



Markets- why, This trade despite dominated by Igbos are still majority based in Lagos ?

This is effect of the seaport.

I will expand on this later when i have time.
to be continued.

Companies: over 75% of Igbo owned companies are based in Lagos. Taxes are recorded as Lagos's , yet one afonja person will announce it was our awoloowors that builts these companies.


Foreign trade/investment: will come to this too.


Nigerian stockExchange. :

macjive01:
Deluded Yorubas on it again. Tomorrow Nupe, or who ever are indigenes of abuja area will beat their chest and announce that Abuja was built with Abuja money. we dont need industrious igbos. land developers.

They will ask what was the revenue when it was Federal capital - (if the Capital was moved) ? forgetting the massive infrastructure laydown by FG.

They will say Abuja is blessed, its location in the heart, Igbos are simply jealous.

Abuja was built with tin money. money made from tin extraction by our very midbelt awoloowoe.


why is ibadan not like lagos ?
ibadan is the traditional capital of the yorubas and western Nigeria?




This is getting comical. Lagos is what it is today because of its position as a formal Federal capital terroritory. All the embassies were soley located in lagos.
(dont tell me its the embassies choice, FG decides where an embassy can station)

It had the only Functional Airport Federal airport in Nigeria for a long time before Abuja came on. Kano and the other are 2nd tier airports.

Every Nigeria needing to travel had to visit Lagos first to get a visa. most times would have to wait for 3 weeks to get a response. Many a times, people stay in lagos to wait out the process.
Hereby spending money in lagos
. spend money on hotels
. Money spent on food , shopping.

same as well, when getting into the country. Lagos became a sort of Mecca. Its inevitable . you must come to Lagos if you have to get into Nigeria.


Banks.

Federal policy of having the central bank in Lagos
Bank tend to HQ where the bank of the country is.
hence the rise of Marina. Every bank head quarter is in Lagos.
Banks corporate taxes are recorded as Lagos's depite their operation being across the country.
take example of unity bank- a northern focus bank, with its operation mainly in the north, its revenues are mostly from the north, yet their corporate taxes are paid in lagos.


Seaport: will come to this later.

Oil and gas companies.: Majority of lagos taxes are generated from oil company and banks corporate taxes.

Oil companies despite their operations being in the Niger delta record their massive corporate taxes as Lagos's.



Markets- why, This trade despite dominated by Igbos are still majority based in Lagos ?

This is effect of the seaport.

I will expand on this later when i have time.
to be continued.

Companies: over 75% of Igbo owned companies are based in Lagos. Taxes are recorded as Lagos's , yet one afonja person will announce it was our awoloowors that builts these companies.


Foreign trade/investment: will come to this too.


Nigerian stockExchange. :

The FCT left Lagos nearrly 30 years ago . Why is Abuja not booming economically?

FYI Lagos state was not the Capital so stop repeating that Nonsense. There are so many towns in Nigeria that bear the same nae as the State. Kano,Kaduna,Sokoto,Lagos.Bauchi,Oyo,Ondo and so on. The Oba of Lagos is not the Oba of Lagos State. He is the OBa of of Lagos which is Lagos Island mainly

Let us be clear what is meant by the term "LAGOS" . Lagos the former federal capital is not the same as Lagos State.
Lagos the FCT was there before Lagos state was created in 1967 and it had ministers just like Abuja. it did not include Ikeja,Ikorodu Epe or Badagry which together with Lagos were the five Divisions that make up Lagos State
Lagos the FCT was the area you had the Federal Secretariat the Supreme Court and so on. Ikeja was not the FCT
Your bitterness seeps through your write up but ABuja was built up in a way that Lagos was not with an unprecedented leve of investment.
So why is it not thriving

That everyone had to visit Lagos first to get a visa is whose fault? Did Lagos conspire to make itself capital. That is why you should blame your ancestors for bequeathing you a cursed location not be bitter about it

Blue3k:


Lol I'm not Yoruba. I'm from Akwa Ibom. It was a fun thread though.

I like you.

Your brain and objectivity overcome your emotions.

That makes you not deluded!

The deludeds will still hold on to the the "yorubaphobic conspiracy theory" of using lagos(yet,still a no mans land to them ooo) to underdevelop others.

You really need to do more research. Given that Lagos as a FCT would have some more advantages than other cities in the country, it still doesn't mean that should necessarily define it as the economic hub of the country. Check out Canberra in Australia or Brasilia in Brazil, they are not even the economic hubs of their countries, they are simply for the purpose of administration just like Lagos was.

The FG set up several industrial concerns in the country to grow our industrial capacity (Steel Rolling Mills, Aluminium Smelters, Agricultural Processing Factories etc), and as one would expect that industrial clusters should grow out of these, it was not the case. They became isolated industrial infrastructures.

Why? Lack of economic insight.

Why did Lagos grow to become the economic hub?
You would say seaport and Int"l airport readily. But another major reason was Obafemi Awolowo's economic insight. Lagos as an F.C.T. was all of Lagos Island and some parts of Surulere,Yaba, Ebute Metta and Apapa. The remaining part of Lagos was in the then Western Region. Awolowo created several industrial clusters in the form of industrial estates, giving them all all the resources they need to grow - exclusive power supply, access to rail lines, good road networks. These clusters are still running till date- Apapa, Isolo-Ilasamaja, Ikeja, Agbara, Oluyole, Ilupeju... 97% of the companies and business investments Awolowo set up then are still running till date.

All the migrating citizens to Lagos were not coming to Lagos because it was FCT, they were coming because of the job opportunities in these industrial clusters and all the services industries that had grown around it- hotels, banks, food & beverage...

After the civil war, those who flocked to Lagos, were they coming to Lagos because of carter bridge or Dodan barracks or ring road on the Island? Or rather the opportunities there were in working in any of these industrial clusters or providing services to them?

All the other infrastructure you are claiming as what made Lagos (National Theatre, Bridges...) are just the attendant developmental elements that will usually follow a city that is growing fast economically to cater for it's teeming population.

I can boldly tell you Awolowo made great and major strides in making Lagos what it is today. You can deny and argue it all you want.

That other regions have not taken the opportunities available to then to create economic hubs in their regions in the same sustainable way Awolowo had done is not the fault of the Yorubas.

They didnt ask oil companies to relocate to Lagos. Your unsafe and violent attitude in SE and SS did the job.

No FG or CBN policy grew Marina. Most of the building there are mostly owned by WEMABOD Estates, the real estate investment company of Western Nigeria. New private ones are there now. But WEMABOD bought up a lot of the plots in spite of the area being an FCT.

Ibadan is a great Industrial City. No single town or city in Nigeria today is as diverse and developed as Ibadan.

Embassies were located in the former FCT area on Lagos Island. It has little or no effect to the economic growth of the then Western Region. At least they had Consular office in other regions too and still do till now.

The international airport only came on when Lagos had become a full state. Before then, the area under the then Western Region government was already economically established.

You can get bloated wit envy for all I care. Great minds like Lee Kuan Yew, Erhardt, and Awolowo... are not a given in the world. They come in trickles each millenia and the Yorubas are blessed to have had one.

Pray hard that God will look upon your people to bless you with such a great and insightful man. If not, you can only be derailed now and then by men like Nnamdi Kanu who would open his mouth to denigrate the very people he aspires to lead into promise land.

Cc
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Obi1kenobi

macjive01:
Deluded Yorubas on it again. Tomorrow Nupe, or who ever are indigenes of abuja area will beat their chest and announce that Abuja was built with Abuja money. we dont need industrious igbos. land developers.

They will ask what was the revenue when it was Federal capital - (if the Capital was moved) ? forgetting the massive infrastructure laydown by FG.

They will say Abuja is blessed, its location in the heart, Igbos are simply jealous.

Abuja was built with tin money. money made from tin extraction by our very midbelt awoloowoe.


why is ibadan not like lagos ?
ibadan is the traditional capital of the yorubas and western Nigeria?



This is getting comical. Lagos is what it is today because of its position as a formal Federal capital terroritory. All the embassies were soley located in lagos.
(dont tell me its the embassies choice, FG decides where an embassy can station)

It had the only Functional Airport Federal airport in Nigeria for a long time before Abuja came on. Kano and the other are 2nd tier airports.

Every Nigeria needing to travel had to visit Lagos first to get a visa. most times would have to wait for 3 weeks to get a response. Many a times, people stay in lagos to wait out the process.
Hereby spending money in lagos
. spend money on hotels
. Money spent on food , shopping.

same as well, when getting into the country. Lagos became a sort of Mecca. Its inevitable . you must come to Lagos if you have to get into Nigeria.


Banks.

Federal policy of having the central bank in Lagos
Bank tend to HQ where the bank of the country is.
hence the rise of Marina. Every bank head quarter is in Lagos.
Banks corporate taxes are recorded as Lagos's depite their operation being across the country.
take example of unity bank- a northern focus bank, with its operation mainly in the north, its revenues are mostly from the north, yet their corporate taxes are paid in lagos.


Seaport: will come to this later.

Oil and gas companies.: Majority of lagos taxes are generated from oil company and banks corporate taxes.

Oil companies despite their operations being in the Niger delta record their massive corporate taxes as Lagos's.



Markets- why, This trade despite dominated by Igbos are still majority based in Lagos ?

This is effect of the seaport.

I will expand on this later when i have time.
to be continued.

Companies: over 75% of Igbo owned companies are based in Lagos. Taxes are recorded as Lagos's , yet one afonja person will announce it was our awoloowors that builts these companies.


Foreign trade/investment: will come to this too.


Nigerian stockExchange. :

Blue3k:


Perpetual wailer you want to focus on stupid policy that happened decades ago. When PDP was in power for 16 years the didn't correct it yet you skip over that. Lol you guys are excuse makers. I didn't switch my statements I said dredging shallow ports is waste of time in hopes of making deep seaports is waste. Its better to pick optimal location with deeper narural depth like Ibakka.

Simple question you will dodge for the rest of your life. Why won't you use deeper port in Rivers.

Lol I do agree you guys have no facts to back up your claim. At you didn't say Igbos made the port a success.

This is pathetic! Argue with your phone

The Managing Director
of Ports & Terminal Operators (Nigeria)
Limited, the concessionaire to the premier
seaport in Port-Harcourt, Mrs Lizzie Ovbude
enumerated some of the constraints the
concessionaires are grappling with. She said, “I
know that when NPA was still the master sea
dock, to improve traffic in the eastern flank,
NPA had to give about 30 percent discount.
That was some years back, before the
concessioning.
They gave about 30 percent discount to vessels
that are willing to come to the eastern ports.
That was a kind of encouragement to enable
vessels to come to this part of the country. But
after the concessioning, there has been no such
encouragement.”

Although Mrs Ovbude agreed that the channels
in Port-Harcourt Port 1 are not big enough for
containerized vessels to berth, he listed efforts
made by her company to expand the draught
to enable moderately bi vessels to come in. He
was pissed by the fact that the Federal
Government is not doing anything to dredge
the port to pave the way for containerized
vessels to come to the oldest seaport in the
eastern part of the country.

www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

joeyfire:


This is pathetic! Argue with your phone

[s]The Managing Director
of Ports & Terminal Operators (Nigeria)
Limited, the concessionaire to the premier
seaport in Port-Harcourt, Mrs Lizzie Ovbude
enumerated some of the constraints the
concessionaires are grappling with. She said, “I
know that when NPA was still the master sea
dock, to improve traffic in the eastern flank,
NPA had to give about 30 percent discount.
That was some years back, before the
concessioning.
They gave about 30 percent discount to vessels
that are willing to come to the eastern ports.
That was a kind of encouragement to enable
vessels to come to this part of the country. But
after the concessioning, there has been no such
encouragement.”[/s]

Although Mrs Ovbude agreed that the channels
in Port-Harcourt Port 1 are not big enough for
containerized vessels to berth, he listed efforts
made by her company to expand the draught
to enable moderately bi vessels to come in. He
was pissed by the fact that the Federal
Government is not doing anything to dredge
the port to pave the way for containerized
vessels to come to the oldest seaport in the
eastern part of the country.

www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

Yawn lame conspiracy theory yet again. Did you expect the price to stay the same after concessions? Both Eastern and Western ports are concessioned with standard fee schedule if you read the tariff report for 2017.

Read your own article instead of clowning. They already corrected mistakes you listed. Like we already covered on NPA website the ports in Lagos and port Harcourt have nearly same depths. Port Harcourt deeper in Some sections. Then your allowed to bring in what ever you want.

The stacking area is there, the berths have been improved because we have extended into the water to achieve some deeper level of draught.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

you go into the terminal, you will see the extensions we did to be able to achieve a deeper draught to allow for at least moderately sized vessels to come..

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

Government will need to do something and what government needs to do is, the type of encouragement they gave to shipping companies a few years back, they need to bring it once again,” she canvassed.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

joeyfire:


This is pathetic! Argue with your phone

The Managing Director
of Ports & Terminal Operators (Nigeria)
Limited, the concessionaire to the premier
seaport in Port-Harcourt, Mrs Lizzie Ovbude
enumerated some of the constraints the
concessionaires are grappling with. She said, “I
know that when NPA was still the master sea
dock, to improve traffic in the eastern flank,
NPA had to give about 30 percent discount.
That was some years back, before the
concessioning.
They gave about 30 percent discount to vessels
that are willing to come to the eastern ports.
That was a kind of encouragement to enable
vessels to come to this part of the country. But
after the concessioning, there has been no such
encouragement.”

Although Mrs Ovbude agreed that the channels
in Port-Harcourt Port 1 are not big enough for
containerized vessels to berth, he listed efforts
made by her company to expand the draught
to enable moderately bi vessels to come in. He
was pissed by the fact that the Federal
Government is not doing anything to dredge
the port to pave the way for containerized
vessels to come to the oldest seaport in the
eastern part of the country.

www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

Do you really understand what it means for a facility to be under private management? Are you expecting the FG to violate signed contracts, by jumping in to force private operators to give you a 30% discount, even if it means driving them into bankruptcy? Do you have any experience working with any businesses requiring balance sheets, investor reports and cash-flow projections, or are you writing from the cramped perspective of a petty trader? It has to be the latter, otherwise you'd already know all the things I've pointed out to you.

omohayek:

Do you really understand what it means for a facility to be under private management? Are you expecting the FG to violate signed contracts, by jumping in to force private operators to give you a 30% discount, even if it means driving them into bankruptcy? Do you have any experience working with any businesses requiring balance sheets, investor reports and cash-flow projections, or are you writing from the cramped perspective of a petty trader? It has to be the latter, otherwise you'd already know all the things I've pointed out to you.

You are probably the least intelligent person that has crawled into my mentions on this site

The government concessioned the badly run down, poorly maintained ports and promised a 30% discount to the concessionaire which it reneged on. Is that in itself not a breach of agreement? The MD has spoken and you who has never seen a PPP agreement in your life is yapping because you can afford 10MB to troll online. No be your fault

joeyfire:


You are probably the least intelligent person that has crawled into my mentions on this site

No doubt you were talking about your own low-IQ self here, as you seem to have done such a superb job of describing your own intellectual limitations. You are indeed a being of extremely low intelligence, and very probably a bottom crawler scurrying about in the darkness.

The government concessioned the badly run down, poorly maintained ports and promised a 30% discount to the concessionaire which it reneged on. Is that in itself not a breach of agreement? The MD has spoken and you who has never seen a PPP agreement in your life is yapping because you can afford 10MB to troll online. No be your fault

Go ahead and show us where the FG "promised a 30% discount to the concessionaire which it reneged on", I dare you, point us to a single official document or reputable newspaper report asserting as such. Because if you think the following supports such a claim, you need to go back and finish primary school, as your reading comprehension ain't worth sh**!

The Managing Director
of Ports & Terminal Operators (Nigeria)
Limited, the concessionaire to the premier
seaport in Port-Harcourt, Mrs Lizzie Ovbude
enumerated some of the constraints the
concessionaires are grappling with. She said, “I
know that when NPA was still the master sea
dock, to improve traffic in the eastern flank,
NPA had to give about 30 percent discount.
That was some years back, before the
concessioning.
They gave about 30 percent discount to vessels
that are willing to come to the eastern ports.
That was a kind of encouragement to enable
vessels to come to this part of the country. But
after the concessioning, there has been no such
encouragement.”

If you had a working brain, rather than being a walking illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect, you'd have realized she was saying that the FG gave such discounts to shipping vessels, not that the FG promised her company the same. To think a slowpoke who can't understand a simple sentence has the temerity to accuse anyone else of being unintelligent! Will you presume to lecture us on Joyce's Ulysses as an encore to this splendid performance?

Blue3k:



Yawn lame conspiracy theory yet again. Did you expect the price to stay the same after concessions? Both Eastern and Western ports are concessioned with standard fee schedule if you read the tariff report for 2017.

Read your own article instead of clowning. They already corrected mistakes you listed. Like we already covered on NPA website the ports in Lagos and port Harcourt have nearly same depths. Port Harcourt deeper in Some sections. Then your allowed to bring in what ever you want.

Try borrow small shame na

You can not seperate the pricing to the size of vessels that can berth and large vessels can not berth if the place is not dredged. Is that you honestly cannot comprehend or you are just trying to hide your shame. Where in the article did you read that the problem had been solved?

You concession an un-dredged dilapidated port that is automatically expensive to run and expect it to be competitive? Smh

“They complain about channels but I want to
say that even though ships have grown bigger
and they want to take comparative advantage
of bigger vessels because your cost on a bigger
vessel is the same as your cost on a smaller
vessel. If you have a bigger vessel that will
bring much cargo, you will spread your cost
and it becomes lower than when you take a
smaller vessel that will bring small cargo, small
tonnage; your cost goes higher when you
spread it on small tonnage cargo."

"That is an issue, the non-dredging of the
channels, the non-dredging of the ports. That
is why I said from the beginning that I may not
be able to tell you all the constraints because I
will talk from the perspective of a port operator
but freight forwarders will have their own issue.
If you go into the terminal, you will see the
extensions we did to be able to achieve a
deeper draught to allow for at least moderately
sized vessels to come..
At a point, the facilities became very
dilapidated and operations went down. We have
also been marketing, telling our clients that the
port is no longer what it used to be. We have
made it operational once again. When the
facilities went down, there were no plants.
Today, we have bought kalmar container
handling equipment and so the equipment to
operate efficiently are there."

joeyfire:


[s]Try borrow small shame na

You can not seperate the pricing to the size of vessels that can berth and large vessels can not berth if the place is not dredged. Is that you honestly cannot comprehend or you are just trying to hide your shame. Where in the article did you read that the problem had been solved?

You concession an un-dredged dilapidated port that is automatically expensive to run and expect it to be competitive? Smh

“They complain about channels but I want to
say that even though ships have grown bigger
and they want to take comparative advantage
of bigger vessels because your cost on a bigger
vessel is the same as your cost on a smaller
vessel. If you have a bigger vessel that will
bring much cargo, you will spread your cost
and it becomes lower than when you take a
smaller vessel that will bring small cargo, small
tonnage; your cost goes higher when you
spread it on small tonnage cargo."

"That is an issue, the non-dredging of the
channels, the non-dredging of the ports. That
is why I said from the beginning that I may not
be able to tell you all the constraints because I
will talk from the perspective of a port operator
but freight forwarders will have their own issue.
If you go into the terminal, you will see the
extensions we did to be able to achieve a
deeper draught to allow for at least moderately
sized vessels to come..
At a point, the facilities became very
dilapidated and operations went down. We have
also been marketing, telling our clients that the
port is no longer what it used to be. We have
made it operational once again. When the
facilities went down, there were no plants.
Today, we have bought kalmar container
handling equipment and so the equipment to
operate efficiently are there."[/s]

Yawn your article said they correct the depth issue after the section you quoted. Next I noticed you dropped that stupid 30 discount argument. I'm glad you figured out what a concession entails. Look at the depth of the ports and shut up. The are virtually the same unless you feel you know better than NPA. I already listed the current depths on page zero yet your still making this debunked point.