nemesis4u:


ru sure ?

as far as i know Myanmar is getting the latest version of FC-1

how i know this becz i know that FC-1 were flow into Myanmar September 2014 and evaluated by by them extensively for over a week and again in 20xx with latest improvements/recommendations (based on jf17 block 2) before being given the final go ahead for production , plus FC1 twin seater was expedited as it was part of their requirements.

their version has many modifications/additional systems over the paf jf17 block 2

this is due to security concerns of Myanmar


note: i am not saying ur wrong with ur info , i am merely providing another POV for the sake of discussion / timepass etc

Mynammer version lacks Air to Air refuelling which is a quality of the block 2.

tdayof:


Mynammer version lacks Air to Air refuelling which is a quality of the block 2.

what about the possibility that it is not a requirement for them , present or in future or they will be installed during MLU

flight certification for IFR is still pending , if that feature is not pressing for the customer, then why let it hold up the production when it can be included during MLU if needed.

Myanmar does not have mid air refuellers , buddy refueling is still not an option for FC1 till now but everything can be included during MLU if these r available and desired

IMO its a smart decision , they went by their needs/requirements/capabilities and the option always exists

jakeporeshenko:

If indeed NAF is going to swerve the thunder deal after all the time spent and the drama then they better have their eyes on bigger Fish ! I want to laugh it off as usual but this time I don’t have the courage.

wot then will we say about the 3 Jf17 budgeted in 2016?

nemesis4u:



what about the possibility that it is not a requirement for them , present or in future or they will be installed during MLU

flight certification for IFR is still pending , if that feature is not pressing for the customer, then why let it hold up the production when it can be included during MLU if needed.

Myanmar does not have mid air refuellers , buddy refueling is still not an option for FC1 till now but everything can be included during MLU if these r available and desired

I understand you. Here's my question is midair refuelling not a design requirement? Judging by the available pictures, the airframe of the Block 1 looks just like that of the Mynammer.


In my opinion, we are more interested in COIN therefore NAF is satisfied with the incoming Tucanos while they want a perfect aircraft from Pakistan. The block 2 itself doesn't seem to be perfect yet as some of the upgrades are still ongoing which might be a reason why NAF is still calm.


To me I would have preferred we spend money on some flankers trust me we have the money to run them. I know Henry is coming for me for suggesting a flanker)

The Chinese J10 is another aircraft which would have communicated alot, being the Chinese first export customer, this will enhance economic cooperation especially if we are getting around 12.

if NIGERIA is serious with defence, a J10 will give us access to the J-31.

jakeporeshenko:
I don’t think I want to be that first guy.

anti material heheh the only thing I can do is grin ear to ear

Why is everybody worried about the Jf17. Honestly I don't want that plane in Nigeria. I want the J10B. Almost the same price and still far better than any block of J17. BTW if we are getting Jf17 we should get the latest block 3.

tdayof:


I understand you. Here's my question is midair refuelling not a design requirement? Judging by the available pictures, the airframe of the Block 1 looks just like that of the Mynammer.


In my opinion, we are more interested in COIN therefore NAF is satisfied with the incoming Tucanos while they want a perfect aircraft from Pakistan. The block 2 itself doesn't seem to be perfect yet as some of the upgrades are still ongoing which might be a reason why NAF is still calm.


To me I would have preferred we spend money on some flankers trust me we have the money to run them. I know Henry is coming for me for suggesting a flanker)

The Chinese J10 is another aircraft which would have communicated alot, being the Chinese first export customer, this will enhance economic cooperation especially if we are getting around 12.

if NIGERIA is serious with defence, a J10 will give us access to the J-31.

the base design of block 2, block 3 ........ will always be based on block 1 ( unless radical airframe design changes r made which seems unlikely as of date )

installing a fixed IFR probe basically does not change the airframe (what it changes is the aerodynamic flow )
so if a fixed IFR probe gets certified for block 1 , then generally the IFR probe can be carried over to block 2, block 3..........

why do u think PAF is looking to upgrade the block 1 to block 2 which will also include the IFR probe

eg F16 ,older blocks can be easily upgraded to latest blocks, aint they ?

for a moment forget about Burmese FC1 , and compare block 1 and block 2 , u will see both r same in design ie same airframe

if IFR is validated for block 2 , it will require installation of internal plumbing and adapter to the internal fuel tanks of block 1 plus the externally mounted IFR probe and since the airframe is same for both block1 and 2 the certification will hold true for block 1 also.

block 1 was produced/inducted to get their production line running, and stabilized etc etc at kamra, .............................

the real deal is the block 2 and that is one reason why i said Mynammer went for the latest version of FC1, a buyer will do his homework before closing a deal.

to be fair i cant comment on other airforces , but my personal belief is in light of the tucano acquisition , a single engine jet requirement is now redundant for NAF . if u make a threat assessment of ur neighborhood ur biggest threats r 2 engined jets and if u have the money u can go for both or decide as per requirements/assessment .

as for j31 possibility in conjunction with j10 acquisition i already alluded to that previously in the technical thread .

and fuucck me, u stole my sales pitch
now u owe me 20 million dollars
but i am willing to negotiate

note personal view may not be correct

tdayof:



In my opinion, we are more interested in COIN therefore NAF is satisfied with the incoming Tucanos while they want a perfect aircraft from Pakistan. The block 2 itself doesn't seem to be perfect yet as some of the upgrades are still ongoing which might be a reason why NAF is still calm.


To me I would have preferred we spend money on some flankers trust me we have the money to run them. I know Henry is coming for me for suggesting a flanker)

The Chinese J10 is another aircraft which would have communicated alot, being the Chinese first export customer, this will enhance economic cooperation especially if we are getting around 12.

if NIGERIA is serious with defence, a J10 will give us access to the J-31.

The Flanker is one of the world's best air superiority fighters. The Indians have repeatedly proven this when pitched against Western air superiority fighters, however i don't believe our defence before the Tucano deal is best served by an Su-30 because i felt with the high number of combat sorties we fly each year our budget will be strained.

The Tucanos deal allows us to go for a twin engine fighter as most of the brunt of the light combat sorties can now be under-taken by the Tucano. My problem now comes with our purchase history. With our purchase history, i don't see the possibility of additional fighter aircrafts seeing that we have gone for 30 combat aircrafts, Tucanos, MI-35m and armed drones.

The Air Force might instead want to go for a medium weight aircraft instead, remember our G-222s are old and only 3 are flying. The C-130s are old too, for medium weight we have had to add an additional role to one of the ATR-42, Light transport.

So except if we actually get the 3 ordered JF-17s as budgeted, our chance of getting any other type of fighter aircraft is bleak.

This is what i think.

A tribute to the Africans who helped win WW2! These guys served as auxiliaries,drivers,medics and soldiers in all theatres from Burma to Italy and France. As usual with the system they were underpaid and underappreciated though the French did the unthinkable in 1944 to their newly released Senegalese tirailleurs in early '44.

his dispute continued at the demobilisation camp in Thiaroye and, on the morning of December 1 1944, a mix of French troops, local tirailleurs, three armoured cars with mounted machine guns and even a US army tank surrounded the camp.

The soldiers opened fire on the rebellious but unarmed tirailleurs and many were killed. The army would later officially recognise a death toll of 35 (some accounts in the days that followed claimed a further 35 deaths, as many of the injured died from their wounds).

https://theconversation.com/the-time-has-come-for-france-to-own-up-to-the-massacre-of-its-own-troops-in-senegal-35131

Later they heroically saved Dien Bien Phu after Algerians fled:

While much of the Algerian defenders here ran the situation was saved by two groups, one a group of Senegal gunners who, according to the Vietnam War Notebook, “dropped their guns to zero elevation, cut the fuzes to zero delay, so that the shells would explode as soon as they cleared the muzzles, and opened up when the charging Vietminh were almost on top of them and shredded the better part of two regiments.”

http://www.section117.com/2017/01/14/a-brief-history-of-the-battle-of-dien-bien-phu/

The Algerians under Gen Juin were instrumental in one of the bloodiest battles,Monte Cassino. In 4 months of battle almost 60k on both sides were KIA. They were first into abandoned German positions.

The 15k strong 82nd (West Africa) div of Naijjans and Ghanians took heavy casualties in the Arakan campaign.

[b]During the third Arakan campaign, the 82nd Division suffered 2,085 casualties, the highest of any unit in XV Corps. [/b]Some of those killed were buried in jungle tracts, but many Nigerian graves remain in cemeteries at the Dalet Chaung near Tamandu and the Taukkyan War Cemetery. Others are remembered at the War Memorial in Rangoon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_(West_Africa)_Division

Here are the Gold Coast (Ghana) regiment with CO,under the 82nd.

Formation sign of the 11th (E A) div which also fought in Burma. Its no accident the horrors of WW2 indirectly led to uhuru struggles a decade later. Many freedom fighters in Kenya were ex Burma.

Museveni ready to send 5,000 troops to Somalia

Kampala- President Museveni has told United States officials that Uganda is ready to deploy 5,000 additional troops to bolster military operations of the African Union Mission for Somalia (Amisom) against the resurgent al-Shabaab insurgents.
Sources familiar with the discussions told Daily Monitor that Gen Museveni announced the offer in a meeting with Mr Donald Yamamoto, the acting US assistant secretary of state for African affairs, in New York last month.

The President, however, told his American hosts that Uganda would only send more troops to Somalia if the international community commits more predictable funding and donates equipment, force enablers and multipliers such as attack helicopters.

Uganda, with more than 6,000 troops in Somalia, is the largest contributor to the 10-year-old AU-led mission. The operation has lately been threatened by reduced funding, non-payment and declining morale of the combat soldiers and defections to al-Shabaab of Somali troops, already too weak to hold liberated territories.
In the New York lunch meeting, which happened on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly, Mr Yamamoto offered no explicit response to President Museveni’s offer, according to one diplomat.
He, however, praised Mr Museveni as a long-serving experienced leader whose “strategic ideas” the United States values and will consider.

Gen Museveni had reasoned that increasing the number of troops in Somalia was necessary for an all-out offensive on the al-Shabaab instead of the current fractional approach where liberated areas are quickly recaptured by the insurgents when foreign forces move to new forward operational bases.
“The President said he can deploy 5,000 more soldiers to finish the job on the condition that they are given equipment and force multipliers,” a source familiar with the discussion said. “He said Amisom must go to the heart of the al-Shabaab and destroy them from there to finish the job.”
This latest revelation contrasts with the government’s announced plan to reduce the UPDF presence in Somalia effective next year.

A senior security official told Daily Monitor that there was disquiet among troops at the battlefront that withdrawing their colleagues would render the few left behind more vulnerable.

The war planners are also troubled that if one of the Troop Contributing Countries (TCCs) marches out its troops, it could spark panic and a stampede by others to leave, plunging Somalia back into firm al-Shabaab grip.
These concerns have gained urgency in the past few days after the October 14 bomb blast on KM4 Street in the capital Mogadishu, the worst terror attack in the country, that killed 358 people and injured hundreds more.

Whereas civilians responded with demonstrations against al-Shabaab, Somali government officials, international actors and Amisom decision-makers began investigating whether the attack was a result of intelligence failure, collusion, evidence of new terrorist actors on the scene or the beginning of the insurgents’ renewed and more aggressive comeback.
Because the explosives used and the scale of destruction in the latest attack was beyond anything seen there before, and the capability of al-Shabaab, one senior security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said extremists displaced from the Middle East may have infiltrated the Horn of Africa.
This deteriorating security situation coupled with suspicions of external involvement prompted the Somali President Mohammed Abdullahi to fly to Kampala for emergency talks with President Museveni.

The two leaders met on Sunday at State House Nakasero in Kampala. President Museveni sent away ministers from the meeting and a photo that State House released afterwards captured senior military, intelligence and Defence ministry officials in attendance.
One source suggested that the exclusion of politicians means the Ugandan leader was likely weighing a military, rather than diplomatic, solution to the Somalia crisis.

The sensitivity of the discussion and the need to withhold rather than publicly share the information was manifest in a State House press statement. “President Museveni and his Somali counterpart, Mohammed Abdullahi, have held bilateral talks on matters of mutual interest affecting both countries,” the statement read in part, offering no detail.
Our investigations show that the discussion in Kampala on the Somalia meltdown was premised on decisions reached in meetings more than a month ago between African leaders and US President Trump on the one hand, and on the other, among leaders of Troop Contributing Countries (TCCs).
President Museveni and leaders of Ivory Coast, Guinea, Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa and Namibia attended the meeting with President Trump on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York in September.

Meeting with Trump
Ethiopia, Somalia’s neighbour, which in October 2016 withdrew its troops that could not be re-hatted under Amisom, citing lack of financing, was invited but sent no representative.
However, Ethiopia maintained there about 4,500 troops that Amisom absorbed.

In the New York meeting, President Museveni praised President Trump as a fresh breath in American politics because he does not lecture African leaders on homosexuality, and instead focuses on practical peace and security challenges and defeating terrorism.
The African leaders raised concern over US government’s planned funding cut to the UN and implored Trump’s administration not to touch the budget of the world body’s peace-keeping operations.

They also proposed that instead of Amisom costs being met through a UN Trust, it should get funding directly from the UN budget like is the case for other peacekeeping operations. Washington’s specific response is still pending.
“The United States is proud to work with you to eradicate terrorist safe havens,” Reuters quoted Mr Trump having told the African leaders, adding: “And a number of you have told me ... that we’ve been doing a very good job over the last six or seven months in particular.”

Top US diplomat flies in
This week, Mr Trump deployed Ms Nikki Haley, the US permanent representative to the UN, to Ethiopia, South Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo to assess firsthand the insecurity hotspots and the work of UN peacekeepers on the continent.
She, however, will not visit Uganda that African leaders assigned as spokesperson and coordinator on Amisom issues with the international community.

President Museveni chaired the September 21, 2017 meeting in New York at the Uganda House, adjacent to the UN headquarters, which gave him and Uganda a lead role.
“The meeting was successful and they have given Uganda the mandate to coordinate Troop Contributing Countries,” said Ambassador Adonia Ayebare, Uganda’s permanent representative to the UN.
“I will be working with my colleague diplomats at the UN missions to implement the mandate,” he added.

The meeting was attended by Ethiopian Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, his Somali counterpart Hassan Ali Khayre, Kenya’s Foreign Affairs Minister Amina Mohamed, her Djiboutian and Burundian counterparts Mohamed Ali Youssef and Alain-Aime Nyamitwe, respectively. African Union Peace and Security Commission official Smail Chergui was also present.
They discussed Somalia’s security situation, negative influence of some Middle East actors to undermine the Mogadishu government through direct deals with provincial governors and leaders.
In a communiqué after the summit, they “called on external countries to refrain from disruptive interference into Somalia’s internal affairs.”

They asked the UN to clarify its position on funding and equipment request. This response, highly-placed sources say, will inform next month’s planned TCC meeting and whether or not they will pull their troops out of Somalia altogether.
Even when final decisions on many critical issues remain outstanding, America’s top diplomat for Africa has said they see the continent as a strategic convergence point for the world.

Appearing before the US House Foreign Affairs Committee on October 11, 2017, Mr Yamamoto underlined Africa’s “effective responses to global terrorist threats” and highlighted advancing peace and security; countering the scourge of terrorism; promoting democracy, human rights and good governance; and, increasing economic growth and investment as “strategic priorities” undergirding Washington’s evolving partnership with the continent.
Those priority areas all find expression in Somali where competition for business and influence have politicised the country’s fragile security. President Abdullahi’s new government, eager to disprove critics and skeptics, wants to show it can assert territorial authority.
The government, highly placed officials said, has been pushing Ugandan and Burundian troops to surrender key locations, among them the Mogadishu stadium, to its forces.

Already, the Burundian troops have withdrawn from the Somalia National University campus in Dharkenley district, west of Mogadishu. The troops had camped at the university for 10 years, but have now relocated to Jowhar.
The UPDF is leaving the stadium which it captured in 2011 in one of its fiercest battles before pushing the al-Shabaab out of the capital.

According to sources, the withdrawal of Ugandan soldiers from the stadium is likely to expose UPDF soldiers stationed at Parliament to the enemy.
In Kampala, Brig Richard Karemire, Uganda’s defence and army spokesperson, said: “The stadium is needed by [Somali] government to have it rehabilitated. They have been communicating to us for some time.”
He, however, allayed fears that vacating the stadium would endanger Ugandan soldiers at the Parliament.

“No, it wouldn’t expose them. We shall go to another place that gives us physical advantage to continue with our deployment,” Brig Karemire said. UPDF guards key government installations like Parliament, presidential palace, seaport and airport.

Challenges

Logistical blues: Outside Mogadishu, it is becoming increasingly difficult for Amisom to go on the offensive for fear of outstretching troops amid lack of fighting vehicles and frustrating bureaucracy.
Resurgent enemy: Thin troop presence on the ground is counter-productive, and by some accounts, exposed UPDF to deadly attacks in Janaale in 2015 and in Lower Shabelle, where 12 soldiers were recently killed. These ambushes prompted Amisom to withdraw from some areas to consolidate its defensive positions. Al-Shabaab, unfortunately, took control of the towns. A similar thing happened on August 4 when AU troops vacated Lego. The al-Shabaab took over the base. There is also delayed payments for soldiers, for instance those deployed in Mogadishu early this year, have not been paid.
Weak Somali army: With limited capacity of troops, it’s increasingly becoming difficult to augment Somali National Army. On the August 31, the Somali army and AU troops captured Barire town. After the capture, SNA was left in charge of the base, but days after al-Shabaab attacked and recaptured the town and took a big cache of weapons. link http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Museveni--5000-troops-Somalia/688334-4156094-t1opax/index.html

Algeria - AgustaWestland plant in Setif readies for take-off

The AgustaWestland assembly plant project, which was officially launched in 2016 in the wake of a helicopter acquisition contract by the National Popular Army (ANP, MC 1215), is gradually taking form. According to our information, the ANP has appointed Colonel Mouloud Belhadj to head the Etablissement de Developpement des Industries Aeronautiques (ADIE), a body under its authority which will set up a joint venture with the Italian helicopter constructor. Colonel Belhadj had until now been head of the Etablissement d'Habillement et de Couchage (EHC), an ANP unit producing uniforms, bullet-proof vests and military boots.

The future assembly plant will be sited at the 8-Mai-1945 Airport in the wilaya of Setif, where the ANP's specialised helicopter school is already situated. Site clearance work started at the beginning of the year and Agusta Westland hopes to produce the first helicopters there by 2020. The plant will only assemble prefabricated kits initially but will nevertheless help the Italian group to consolidate its dominant position on the Algerian market. Its AW109s and AW139s are already in service with the General Directorate for National Security (DGSN), the Civil Protection Service, the National Gendarmerie and even the country's presidency

source : africa intelligence

a huge fleet of Agusta Westland helicopters (AW109LUH , AW139 , AW101 ) is in service in algerian : police , gendarms , civil protection (fire fighters) , gouvernmental fleet , air force , navy , army

27 October 2017: His Excellency Dr. Hage Geingob, President of the Republic of Namibia and Commander In Chief of the Namibian Defence Force commissioned the two Offshore Patrol Vessels: Namibian Ship Daures and Namibian Ship Brukaros into the Namibian Navy at the Naval Base Captain (N) PN Sacharia in Walvis Bay.

The two vessels are Chinese-built and are named after Namibia's heritage. Daures is a local name for the Brandberg fire mountain, while Brukkaros is a large extinct volcano in a form of a ring mountain in //Karas Region.#MODNamibia

More visuals

PRESS RELEASE: OPERATION RUWAN WUTA ll: Nigerian air force going after boko haram terrorist

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-oSSuCxudY

newafricaken254:
PRESS RELEASE: OPERATION RUWAN WUTA ll: Nigerian air force going after boko haram terrorist

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-oSSuCxudY

And who is going after aso rock terrorist ?
If you guys can call mere protesters "terrorists" then it surely means that the word has no meaning for you.
Fulani herdsmen are gentle men right ? While Shia and Biafran people are "terrorists", right ?
Terrorist government fighting its terrorist brothers.

I believe a real war is coming to nigeria. It is time everybody chose a side.
I know that boko haram would be fighting alongside the likes of buhari.

HISTORY23000:
I believe a real war is coming to nigeria. It is time everybody chose a side.
I know that boko haram would be fighting alongside the likes of buhari.

oh my god!north korea has just launch a missile,which has splashed near Hawaii

Henry240:
MONUSCO, DRC

Why is it that we often see our guys with the blue BPV's and troopies from other nations wear their normal cammo BPV's or battle-jackets?

Obviously here and there you see guys in our standard issue BPV's, but it seems that the majority of our guys wear the blue the majority of the time.

Allways wondered about this.

Henry240:

Don't be stupid, you asked for my source, i gave it to you.

Whatever you think about it, is your problem, i could not care less about the SANDF.

"I could not care less about the SANDF"

[proceeds to talk about the SANDF]

Jackass

it seems the american green berets thought they were on a vacation in Niger (Africa )from black hawk down incident they have never learned

He described the joint US-Nigerien unit as being a "light force," believing that the combined group had insufficient numbers and firepower for a patrol into what he said was a high risk area.
The Nigerien soldier said that, when he saw them on the day before the attack, the US troops had only one heavy machine gun, no body armor and were driving unarmored 4x4s while wearing "t-shirts and baseball caps."
"I was surprised that the Americans would go out into the zone with such a light convoy and no air cover, no drones to keep watch over them," the soldier said.

link http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/niger-ambush-convoy-separated/index.html?sr=fbCNN102717niger-ambush-convoy-separated0221PMVODtop

The usa military is overstretched, in my opinion.

newafricaken254:
it seems the american green berets thought they were on a vacation in Niger (Africa )from black hawk down incident they have never learned

link http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/niger-ambush-convoy-separated/index.html?sr=fbCNN102717niger-ambush-convoy-separated0221PMVODtop

newafricaken254:
it seems the american green berets thought they were on a vacation in Niger (Africa )from black hawk down incident they have never learned

link http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/niger-ambush-convoy-separated/index.html?sr=fbCNN102717niger-ambush-convoy-separated0221PMVODtop

Or just keeping a low-profile.

You know - their job description.

patches689:


Or just keeping a low-profile.

You know - their job description.

every goat header saw them

patches689:


Or just keeping a low-profile.

You know - their job description.

How do you get ambushed while “keeping a low profile”?
They walked right into a trap.

Bad intelligence
Underestimated their enemy

This guy always defending the U.S

AMISOM

UPDF

Henry240:

The Flanker is one of the world's best air superiority fighters. The Indians have repeatedly proven this when pitched against Western air superiority fighters, however i don't believe our defence before the Tucano deal is best served by an Su-30 because i felt with the high number of combat sorties we fly each year our budget will be strained.

The Tucanos deal allows us to go for a twin engine fighter as most of the brunt of the light combat sorties can now be under-taken by the Tucano. My problem now comes with our purchase history. With our purchase history, i don't see the possibility of additional fighter aircrafts seeing that we have gone for 30 combat aircrafts, Tucanos, MI-35m and armed drones.

The Air Force might instead want to go for a medium weight aircraft instead, remember our G-222s are old and only 3 are flying. The C-130s are old too, for medium weight we have had to add an additional role to one of the ATR-42, Light transport.

So except if we actually get the 3 ordered JF-17s as budgeted, our chance of getting any other type of fighter aircraft is bleak.

This is what i think.

The below future NAF plans is culled from the current Air Forces Monthly:

"Published in last year's edition of the NAF's Airman journal, it's strategic goal for the 2009-20 planned for a future 44 squadrons and an aircraft complement including 75 UAVs. Projected numbers were not disclosed, but two squadrons of fighter interceptors; two of multirole fighters; three of CAS/ground attack aircraft; eight of attack helicopters, including two trained for maritime operations; one of light utility and recce helicopters; nine of transport/utility helicopters were envisaged. In addition, 4.5 squadrons would fly light aircraft and three more MPAs, while 15 units would operate the UAVs. The transport force would comprise three heavy-lift squadrons, three medium lift squadrons and 4.5 squadrons of light transports".

Just goes to show how much the previous CASs deviated from the plans.

jakeporeshenko:

How do you get ambushed while “keeping a low profile”?
They walked right into a trap.

Bad intelligence
Underestimated their enemy

This guy always defending the U.S

American government has authorized their drones to be armed in Niger

newafricaken254:
every goat header saw them