No, he is not God, God is not a man or human being..Jesus is the bastard son of a prosti.tute, at best or the son of Lucifer at worst...

joshnes:
John 10:30 "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE". John 14:8-9 "PHILIP SAITH UNTO HIM, LORD SHEW US THE FATHER, AND IT SUFFICETH US. JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME PHILIP? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; AND HOW SAYEST THOU THEN, SHEW US THE FATHER?" I think you should read these scripures, you don't need anybody to explain these verses to you.

That story refers to Marduk and Enki...the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk..

lovingJehovah:
If the Bible does not convince you, I wonder what will. Where else would you want me to get answers if not from the Bible? If you already knew about this why did the question pop up?
Below is your question:

IF YOU SAID JEHOVAH CREATED JESUS HIS WORD, TELL ME HOW?

I never said that Jehovah created Jesus, I only showed you a Bible verse where Jesus himself said that he was created by Jehovah. It is not my word. The Bible said it and I accepted it as the truth. Though, it is appropriate that I quote from the Bible so that it doesn't become my word against the Bible. You may read it again in Proverbs 8:22 "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,
The earliest of his achievements of long ago".

The question is, do you doubt Jesus or your Bible?

Just in case that is not sufficient, let us also read it from the book of Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

You asked, 'through what WORD did Jehovah create Jesus? And I referred you to Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.

I said, Jesus could have been created through the same voice that Jehovah used to proclaim the word in Luke 9:35

Is there something else that the Bible has to prove to you?

Is Jehovah eternal? Was there a time Jehovah never had wisdom? If you say Jehovah produced Christ Jesus His wisdom in a certain period. That only means one thing: Jehovah was without wisdom, knowledge and understanding until He created it.

It only means that Jehovah God is not eternally wise and knowledgeable... Therefore, I cannot rely in His wisdom, for it will have an end.

That verse is better rendered Jehovah possessed me from the beginning.

saintmark88

So u r then implying the Holy Spirit is been personified these scriptures.

But can wisdom be lied to.....u have not answered that....how come wisdom has emotions, speak to people and they do as he says, can u fellowship with wisdom??

Yet wisdom is not a person or being with a form or shape.

Going by that if the holy spirit is a force , will u also conviently say that evil spirits too are not beings but forces and wen they speak they r been personified

By your submission here evil Spirit is another being or person right?.

The bible says all power belongs to God
The natural laws of the universe obey God.

If you claim the Holy Spirit is a person a being and a God to your trinity doctrine.

Can you please relate these scriptural verses from 1 Samuel 16:14-16

14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God [/b]is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

Also...1 Samuel 19:9

And the [b]evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

By the implication of your earlier statement that Holy Spirit is a God and a person, being with a form.

What number will the evil spirit from God be in your trinity doctrine?

saintmark88:


Elaborate on your force teaching, show me were the Bible says its personified the person of the Holy Spirit, cos as far as I am concerned that is ur own crooked and heretic interpretation.

The Holy Spirit experience emotions, slights and injuries which energy does not.

Mt 12:31 "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit " (blaspheme energy?)
Heb 10:29 "and have insulted the Spirit" (insult energy?)
Acts 5:3 "You have lied unto the Holy Spirit " (lie to energy?)
Rom 15:30 "I urge you by the love of the Holy Spirit " (love energy?)
Eph 4:30 (Isa 63:10) "and do not grieve the Holy Spirit" (grieve energy?)

Plus can we also say that evil spirits are forces and not beings??


U just shot urself in the foot, wen u quoted this


Many scriptures refer to the Holy Spirit as the power of God (Zechariah 4:6; Micah 3:. Paul told Timothy that it is the “spirit of...power and of love and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7). [\b]

Can a force have a mind




Pls ansa all these questions

#smile

OK Some scriptural passages seem to describe the Holy Spirit as apparently engaging in personal activity. Does this mean that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person? No!

While at first this might seem to indicate as much, it doesn’t really prove that at all. In the languages of Bible times, nonpersonal things were sometimes described in personal ways and as having personlike activities. For example, in Genesis 4:10 God says to Cain: “What have you done? [b]The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground." Here Abel’s shed blood is described as having a “voice” that “cries out” from the ground. Yet clearly this is figurative language, as blood has no voice and cannot speak


Same way Many (including you) believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct person because the Bible sometimes speaks of it in ways that seem to describe personal actions. But this proves nothing, as Scripture personifies mountains as singing,
rivers as clapping their hands,
the skies and rain as praising God, and trees as talking. Clearly none of these are persons—just as the Holy Spirit is not a person or being either.

Similarly, in the book of Proverbs, wisdom is personified as calling aloud and crying out (Proverbs 1:20-21). Proverbs 8 describes wisdom as crying out, standing on a high hill, calling to men, speaking, having lips and a mouth, loving and being loved, having children and having accompanied and rejoiced with God. Yet obviously wisdom is not a person and does none of these things in a literal sense! Likewise, Psalm 65:13 describes valleys shouting for joy and singing. Psalm 96:11-12 attributes emotions to the heavens, earth and fields. Psalm 98:8 says the rivers clap their hands. Psalm 148:4-5 describes the skies and rain praising God. Isaiah 3:26 says the gates of the city of Jerusalem will lament and mourn. Isaiah 14:8 speaks of cypress trees rejoicing and cedar trees talking. Isaiah 35:1 ascribes emotions to the wilderness and says the desert will rejoice. Isaiah 44:23 and 49:13 describe mountains, forests, trees and the heavens singing. Isaiah 55:12 says that hills will break into singing and trees will clap their hands. In Habakkuk 2:11 stones and timbers are described as talking to each other. Romans 10:6 righteousness is described as speaking. In 1 John 5:8 water and blood are said to testify and agree. Yet clearly none of these things happen literally.

At many instance bible similarly applies such figurative language to the Holy Spirit, ascribing activity to it as though it were a person. Yet, as noted earlier in this chapter, the Bible also describes the Holy Spirit in ways that clearly show it is not a person.

More over When a personal activity is ascribed to God’s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom[ans] 8.9), one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God’s spirit is regarded as a Person.

This is why Peter in Acts 5:1-10 said that Ananias and Sapphira “lied to the Holy Spirit” and also that they “lied . . . to God.” This passage doesn’t indicate that the Holy Spirit is God or one of the supposed three persons of God, as some read into this passage, but rather that the Holy Spirit, being the omnipresent agency through which God acts, is how God heard the lie. Jesus Christ’s reference in John 16:7 to the Holy Spirit as a “Helper” (or “Counselor,” “Comforter” or “Advocate” as some versions translate it) is a personification that provides a good analogy of part of the Spirit’s function in the lives of true Christians. And as noted before, many passages show the Spirit as the power of God to help and assist us, not a distinct person as Trinitarians maintain.

So if you are certain that evil spirits are beings or persons too. The onus is now on you to make sense or relate 1 Sam 16:14-16, 19:9 in making the Holy Spirit a God...then evil spirit must be God too. Wisdom and so many other personified inanimate and animate things God and beings too.

Maamin:
saintmark88




Yet wisdom is not a person or being with a form or shape.



By your submission here evil Spirit is another being or person right?.

The bible says all power belongs to God
The natural laws of the universe obey God.

If you claim the Holy Spirit is a person a being and a God to your trinity doctrine.

Can you please relate these scriptural verses from 1 Samuel 16:14-16

14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God [/b]is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

Also...1 Samuel 19:9

And the [b]evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

By the implication of your earlier statement that Holy Spirit is a God and a person, being with a form.

What number will the evil spirit from God be in your trinity doctrine?

I will ask u question u will refuse to ansa, u will throw back the question to me, u r not smart Mr maamin

I asked u can a question based on what u quoted, can a force have a mind??.....u refused to answer that.

Is an evil spirit also a force...

Mark 1:23-24

And immediately there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, “What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.”

Is this evil spirit who spoke in this verse, notice he uses the word us......are they been personified??

Maamin:


#smile

OK Some scriptural passages seem to describe the Holy Spirit as apparently engaging in personal activity. Does this mean that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person? No!

While at first this might seem to indicate as much, it doesn’t really prove that at all. In the languages of Bible times, nonpersonal things were sometimes described in personal ways and as having personlike activities. For example, in Genesis 4:10 God says to Cain: “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground." Here Abel’s shed blood is described as having a “voice” that “cries out” from the ground. Yet clearly this is figurative language, as blood has no voice and cannot speak


Same way Many (including you) believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct person because the Bible sometimes speaks of it in ways that seem to describe personal actions. But this proves nothing, as Scripture personifies mountains as singing,
rivers as clapping their hands,
the skies and rain as praising God, and trees as talking. Clearly none of these are persons—just as the Holy Spirit is not a person or being either.

Similarly, in the book of Proverbs, wisdom is personified as calling aloud and crying out (Proverbs 1:20-21). Proverbs 8 describes wisdom as crying out, standing on a high hill, calling to men, speaking, having lips and a mouth, loving and being loved, having children and having accompanied and rejoiced with God. Yet obviously wisdom is not a person and does none of these things in a literal sense! Likewise, Psalm 65:13 describes valleys shouting for joy and singing. Psalm 96:11-12 attributes emotions to the heavens, earth and fields. Psalm 98:8 says the rivers clap their hands. Psalm 148:4-5 describes the skies and rain praising God. Isaiah 3:26 says the gates of the city of Jerusalem will lament and mourn. Isaiah 14:8 speaks of cypress trees rejoicing and cedar trees talking. Isaiah 35:1 ascribes emotions to the wilderness and says the desert will rejoice. Isaiah 44:23 and 49:13 describe mountains, forests, trees and the heavens singing. Isaiah 55:12 says that hills will break into singing and trees will clap their hands. In Habakkuk 2:11 stones and timbers are described as talking to each other. Romans 10:6 righteousness is described as speaking. In 1 John 5:8 water and blood are said to testify and agree. Yet clearly none of these things happen literally.

At many instance bible similarly applies such figurative language to the Holy Spirit, ascribing activity to it as though it were a person. Yet, as noted earlier in this chapter, the Bible also describes the Holy Spirit in ways that clearly show it is not a person.

More over When a personal activity is ascribed to God’s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom[ans] 8.9), one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God’s spirit is regarded as a Person.

This is why Peter in Acts 5:1-10 said that Ananias and Sapphira “lied to the Holy Spirit” and also that they “lied . . . to God.” This passage doesn’t indicate that the Holy Spirit is God or one of the supposed three persons of God, as some read into this passage, but rather that the Holy Spirit, being the omnipresent agency through which God acts, is how God heard the lie. Jesus Christ’s reference in John 16:7 to the Holy Spirit as a “Helper” (or “Counselor,” “Comforter” or “Advocate” as some versions translate it) is a personification that provides a good analogy of part of the Spirit’s function in the lives of true Christians. And as noted before, many passages show the Spirit as the power of God to help and assist us, not a distinct person as Trinitarians maintain.

So if you are certain that evil spirits are beings or persons too. The onus is now on you to make sense or relate 1 Sam 16:14-16, 19:9 in making the Holy Spirit a God...then evil spirit must be God too. Wisdom and so many other personified inanimate and animate things God and beings too.

U can make ur point without writing a textbook.....dny bore me with all these rubbish ur writing make ur point straight , there's no way I'm reading all these....I read the first two lines and u boring me already

Pls stop responding to my questions with a question.....ansa d question straight and direct

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I will ask u question u will refuse to ansa, u will throw back the question to me, u r not smart Mr maamin

The scripture must be smart, by the grace of God. I'm not here to claim who is smarter either. I had neither evaded any of your questions here.

I asked u can a question based on what u quoted, can a force have a mind??.....u refused to answer that.

What type of force?..you have to be specific
A force in what bases or sense?

Force field, gravitational force, magnetic force, frictional force? For none of these forces have a mind of it own.

Is an evil spirit also a force...

Now an evil spirit is a type of power as oppose to Holy Spirit...it can posses, force, fill up..control.

Mark 1:23-24

And immediately there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, “What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.”

Perfect Example of an evil spirit at work..and forced to cry out..because it has encountered an opposed power (holy spirit)

Is this evil spirit who spoke in this verse, notice he uses the word us......are they been personified??

When I talked about personification haven't I been using animate and inanimate things..being personified
A suppose evil spirit will be what? A life and also active power or force as you choose to call it.

I hope you don't come saying I didn't answer your questions.

You seem to be avoiding this one. if you are certain that evil spirits are beings or persons too. The onus is now on you to make sense or relate 1 Sam 16:14-16, 19:9 in making the Holy Spirit a God...then evil spirit must be God too. Wisdom and so many other personified inanimate and animate things God and beings too.

Maamin:


#smile

OK Some scriptural passages seem to describe the Holy Spirit as apparently engaging in personal activity. Does this mean that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person? No!

While at first this might seem to indicate as much, it doesn’t really prove that at all. In the languages of Bible times, nonpersonal things were sometimes described in personal ways and as having personlike activities. For example, in Genesis 4:10 God says to Cain: “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground." Here Abel’s shed blood is described as having a “voice” that “cries out” from the ground. Yet clearly this is figurative language, as blood has no voice and cannot speak


Same way Many (including you) believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct person because the Bible sometimes speaks of it in ways that seem to describe personal actions. But this proves nothing, as Scripture personifies mountains as singing,
rivers as clapping their hands,
the skies and rain as praising God, and trees as talking. Clearly none of these are persons—just as the Holy Spirit is not a person or being either.

Similarly, in the book of Proverbs, wisdom is personified as calling aloud and crying out (Proverbs 1:20-21). Proverbs 8 describes wisdom as crying out, standing on a high hill, calling to men, speaking, having lips and a mouth, loving and being loved, having children and having accompanied and rejoiced with God. Yet obviously wisdom is not a person and does none of these things in a literal sense! Likewise, Psalm 65:13 describes valleys shouting for joy and singing. Psalm 96:11-12 attributes emotions to the heavens, earth and fields. Psalm 98:8 says the rivers clap their hands. Psalm 148:4-5 describes the skies and rain praising God. Isaiah 3:26 says the gates of the city of Jerusalem will lament and mourn. Isaiah 14:8 speaks of cypress trees rejoicing and cedar trees talking. Isaiah 35:1 ascribes emotions to the wilderness and says the desert will rejoice. Isaiah 44:23 and 49:13 describe mountains, forests, trees and the heavens singing. Isaiah 55:12 says that hills will break into singing and trees will clap their hands. In Habakkuk 2:11 stones and timbers are described as talking to each other. Romans 10:6 righteousness is described as speaking. In 1 John 5:8 water and blood are said to testify and agree. Yet clearly none of these things happen literally.

At many instance bible similarly applies such figurative language to the Holy Spirit, ascribing activity to it as though it were a person. Yet, as noted earlier in this chapter, the Bible also describes the Holy Spirit in ways that clearly show it is not a person.

More over When a personal activity is ascribed to God’s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom[ans] 8.9), one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God’s spirit is regarded as a Person.

This is why Peter in Acts 5:1-10 said that Ananias and Sapphira “lied to the Holy Spirit” and also that they “lied . . . to God.” This passage doesn’t indicate that the Holy Spirit is God or one of the supposed three persons of God, as some read into this passage, but rather that the Holy Spirit, being the omnipresent agency through which God acts, is how God heard the lie. Jesus Christ’s reference in John 16:7 to the Holy Spirit as a “Helper” (or “Counselor,” “Comforter” or “Advocate” as some versions translate it) is a personification that provides a good analogy of part of the Spirit’s function in the lives of true Christians. And as noted before, many passages show the Spirit as the power of God to help and assist us, not a distinct person as Trinitarians maintain.

So if you are certain that evil spirits are beings or persons too. The onus is now on you to make sense or relate 1 Sam 16:14-16, 19:9 in making the Holy Spirit a God...then evil spirit must be God too. Wisdom and so many other personified inanimate and animate things God and beings too.

Acts 13:1-52
Key Verse: 13:2,3
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.

While they were worshipping the Holy Spirit said set apart for me..........he spoke to them and they did as he asked. Maamin pls explain to every one how this is personifying??

U said Paul described the Holy spirit as power of God and one of sound mind......den I asked u, can a force have a mind??

Pls answer these questions directly not by asking questions

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U can make ur point without writing a textbook.....dny bore me with all these rubbish ur writing make ur point straight , there's no way I'm reading all these....I read the first two lines and u boring me already

A closed mind will avoid to read through because the bible verses up there are not mine either.

Pls stop responding to my questions with a question.....ansa d question straight and direct

Now the truth is beginning to get to you. You don't ask me questions and dictate or tell me how to answer you.

I asked you to oblige if I should elaborate and you did ask me to elaborate.

saintmark88:



Acts 13:1-52
Key Verse: 13:2,3
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.

While they were worshipping the Holy Spirit said set apart for me..........he spoke to them and they did as he asked. Maamin pls explain to every one how this is personifying??

U said Paul described the Holy spirit as power of God and one of sound mind......den I asked u, can a force have a mind??

Pls answer these questions directly not by asking questions

You said you did not read through my response because is too long.

Why won't you be asking the same question already treated.

How will you know if your answer was in the previous response.

Uncle, Come back when you are ready to dialogue.

Shalom Aleikhem !

[quote author=Maamin post=62220776][/quote]

So u have answered this one

A life and also active power or force as you choose to call it. So u referred to an evil spirit as a life and also an active power. Good!!!!!

So would u also refer to the Holy Spirit as a Life and an active power too, who can speak, has a mind can fill, has emotions, can get angry and all??....do u agree with all these qualities

Maamin:


You said you did not read through my response because is too long.

Why won't you be asking the same question already treated.

How will you know if your answer was in the previous response.

Uncle, Come back when you are ready to dialogue.

Shalom Aleikhem !

Wen I ansa u, I make it as precise as possible by answering u with straight ansas , keep ur ansas precise, I believe we were all taught how to do that in sch

sonmvayina:


That story refers to Marduk and Enki...the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk..

OK.

Before I begin, let me make this clear for the 2nd time. Here is your word in Italic 'If you say Jehovah produced Christ Jesus...'
I am reiterating that it is not my saying but I quoted the Bible verse (Proverbs 8:22) and you read it in your own Bible. Are you disputing that verse? I will like to remind you that we still have the Greek word from which that verse was translated, so if you are going to make your own translation to suit a doctrine do not forget that you will only sound heretic when the Greek reference is made.

Your questions are in Italic.
Is Jehovah eternal?
The Bible says that he is. 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
Take note that it says the only God is invisible. Which corroborates Exodus 33:20 "... you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
If you believe Jesus is in the same Godhead, does he have a different face from Jehovah? Did the people who saw Jesus' face die? If they didn't then, that invalidates Exodus 33:20 going by your "Jesus is coequal to God" doctrine. Can you come out openly to invalidate Exodus 33:20 on the basis of your doctrine?
And, If you accept that he has a different face, how then can that justify Hebrews 1:3 "The son is...the exact representation of His nature...?
The further one tries to navigate a way to justify the coequality of Jesus to God, the higher the chances to go down the chasm of logic and philosophy which becomes a deviation from the word of God. Most people I know end up with the cliché "God is a mystery". That is one way out since the doctrine cannot be backed by the Bible.
The second and most ruthless act of all is changing texts in the Bible to accommodate a heretic doctrine of that kind.

Was there a time Jehovah never had wisdom?
Jehovah has always been the same and he never changes Malachi 3:6.
The Bible says that Jesus learned from his father John 5:30. If Jehovah never had wisdom, what/how did Jesus learn from him? Jesus said that a blind man cannot lead a blind man in Luke 6:39.
Hebrews 5:9 said that Jesus "...was made perfect..." Of course, you need a wise God to be able to do such.

Proverbs 4:10 Listen, my son, accept what I say, and the years of your life will be many.

bloodofthelamb:

Is Jehovah eternal? Was there a time Jehovah never had wisdom? If you say Jehovah produced Christ Jesus. His wisdom in a certain period. That only means one thing: Jehovah was without wisdom, knowledge and understanding until He created it.

It only means that Jehovah God is not eternally wise and knowledgeable... Therefore, I cannot rely in His wisdom, for it will have an end.
That verse is better rendered Jehovah possessed me from the beginning.

lovingJehovah the problem is you are making an error separating Jehovah from Jesus. It is the same person manifested in various forms. Jehovah (God Above Us), Jesus (God With Us) and The Holy Spirit (God In Us). The scripture you quoted in Exodus has no meaning to what you are trying to explain. Jesus dropped His God-nature before coming to earth as a man ( Phil 2:5-11). John puts it better when he said "the Word became flesh". How will you see flesh and die? If the Word became flesh then He must have been something else before becoming flesh. I want you to show me where Jesus said He is not God. But we have scriptures where he said " I and My Father are one" "if you have seen me you have seen the Father". There are scriptures where He is called " THE Mighty God" "THE Everlasting Father". God is One and if Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD, He is the same person as Jehovah The Almighty. Unless there is more than one God.

I did not separate Jehovah from Jesus. When did I do that?? The Bible did it. In Genesis 1:26 Let us make mankind in our image.
I am very confident that your level of English comprehension exceeds the average. You very well know the use of "us" and "our" in English.
Did I separate? Do you disagree that the verse was referring to Jesus?
When the Bible referred to Jesus as the word, whose word did it say it was?
The Bible calls the word Jehovah's son. Can a son be the father at the same time?
John 20:17 Jesus called his father his God and our God and father. Can you say that you are also coequal to God?
Jesus said that he is the FIRTSBORN of all creation. Can a firstborn be the same as his father?

You quoted Phil 2 which is a brilliant quote, but if you proceed to Phil 2:9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.
could he have raised himself to a superior position?
Phil 2:11 "and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord..."
The same chapter that you quoted urges you to confess Jesus as LORD. Were you asked to confess him as God??
In the same scriptures, Jesus in more than one verse said that the father is greater than him. He called him father and the father called him son. Is it for nothing that they refer to themselves that way? Jesus called him God but the father never called Jesus God. Jesus prayed to Jehovah but Jehovah never prayed to Jesus. Jesus said that he does not know the day and hour but the father knows. If you say that they are the same person, then Jesus could have told a lie in John 20:17. Do you think that he lied when he told you who your God is in John 20:17? It would be as good as calling Jesus a liar if you say that John 20:17 is incorrect.

joshnes:
lovingJehovah the problem is you are making an error separating Jehovah from Jesus. It is the same person manifested in various forms. Jehovah (God Above Us), Jesus (God With Us) and The Holy Spirit (God In Us). The scripture you quoted in Exodus has no meaning to what you are trying to explain. Jesus dropped His God-nature before coming to earth as a man ( Phil 2:5-11). John puts it better when he said "the Word became flesh". How will you see flesh and die? If the Word became flesh then He must have been something else before becoming flesh. I want you to show me where Jesus said He is not God. But we have scriptures where he said " I and My Father are one" "if you have seen me you have seen the Father". There are scriptures where He is called " THE Mighty God" "THE Everlasting Father". God is One and if Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD, He is the same person as Jehovah The Almighty. Unless there is more than one God.

lovingJehovah firstly, thanks for your confidence in my english comprehension, and I also believe that yours is very good too. Based on that belief, I will like to ask you some questions from that Genesis 1:26 you quoted. I will love it if you answer me directly first then you can explain in another post. I want to believe you understand me. The Questions: (1) Who was speaking in Genesis 1:26? (2) In whose image did the speaker say man should be made? (3) Who are the "us" and "our" referred to in Genesis 1:26? Please just give me the answers only because I have follow up questions. Thanks.

Peacefullove:


Buhahahahahaha . Is something wrong with your eyes or you have reading issues ?


Daniel 2:46

Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel



Worshipped who ? cc Saintmark88

Reply nah

I understand you perfectly, but as a Bible student, I have no authority to speak on my own initiative. I base my answers on the scriptures as we all have been mandated to do in Galatians 1:8.

Who was speaking in Genesis 1:26?
According to Genesis 2:7, Jehovah God was the one speaking in Genesis 1:26.

In whose image did the speaker say man should be made?
Man was made in the image of God in Genesis 1:27.

Who are the "us" and "our" referred to in Genesis 1:26?
Apparently, it seems logical that at Genesis 1:26, Jehovah was speaking to his only-begotten Son, the “master worker,” who was at his side during the creation of the heavens and the earth (Proverbs 8:22-31). And, since Colossians 1:15 spoke only of Jesus to have been created to be the representation of God, we can logically say that it was indeed Jesus that Jehovah was speaking to.

joshnes:
lovingJehovah firstly, thanks for your confidence in my english comprehension, and I also believe that yours is very good too. Based on that belief, I will like to ask you some questions from that Genesis 1:26 you quoted. I will love it if you answer me directly first then you can explain in another post. I want to believe you understand me. The Questions: (1) Who was speaking in Genesis 1:26? (2) In whose image did the speaker say man should be made? (3) Who are the "us" and "our" referred to in Genesis 1:26? Please just give me the answers only because I have follow up questions. Thanks.

Peacefullove:


Reply nah

You getting excited over nothing....verse 47 describes who was been worshipped... Other translations use honor.

But in the case of Jesus....even God commanded that he be worshipped..... So there's no comparison

nice answer lovingJehovah now Jehovah told Jesus let US (Jehovah & Jesus) make man in OUR (Jehovah & Jesus) own image. The next verse i.e. 27. "So GOD created man in his own image, in the image of GOD created he him....." Now my follow up question: If we were created by an "us" who is later referred to as God. We were created in the image of an "OUR" who is later also referred to as God. Will you say man was not created in the image of Jesus & Jehovah later called God. Does that not discredit your theory that Jesus is not God?

lolz these jws think they always correct when it obvious that they are wrong

another thing is that these jws most times fall into argument with those who don't really understand theology..... the Bible is filled with proofs that Jesus is God ..... besides before we delve into this ...... to the jws ...... Do one gets to be thrown out of God's kingdom for saying Jesus is God?

Ferisidowu:
another thing is that these jws most times fall into argument with those who don't really understand theology..... the Bible is filled with proofs that Jesus is God ..... besides before we delve into this ...... to the jws ...... Do one gets to be thrown out of God's kingdom for saying Jesus is God?

Why do others label the Jws as antichrist despite the fact they believe that Jesus christ is the son of the Most high, Jehovah? Do not forget there are abundant proof that indeed Jesus was the only begotten son, I repeat only begotten son of God. John 3:16

@ op
you said Jesus is a God and not God.what is the difference?
how many Gods do we now have?
Is Jesus a true God or a false God?
give straight answers.

saintmark88:



You getting excited over nothing....verse 47 describes who was been worshipped...

Verse 46 Oga , Said Daniel was worshipped , Yes or No ?

Why are u scared of answering plain thing that is directly from your Bible.

other translations use honor.

L L , And you think honor is correct ... why ?

But in the case of Jesus....even God commanded that he be worshipped..... So there's no comparison

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. -Revelation 3 vs 9



Lack of understanding, Even the same God tell Jesus to assure his disciples who are in Philadelphia , that he will gave orders and will be WORSHIPED , na so u see am , live from your bible.


I guess those guys in Philadelphia must be God's .

achorladey:

Why do others label the Jws as antichrist despite the fact they believe that Jesus christ is the son of the Most high, Jehovah? Do not forget there are abundant proof that indeed Jesus was the only begotten son, I repeat only begotten son of God. John 3:16

OK but you didn't answer my question

achorladey:

Why do others label the Jws as antichrist despite the fact they believe that Jesus christ is the son of the Most high, Jehovah? Do not forget there are abundant proof that indeed Jesus was the only begotten son, I repeat only begotten son of God. John 3:16

OK but you didn't answer my question. (the one I asked at the end of the post you mentioned)

bloodofthelamb:

Is Jehovah eternal? Was there a time Jehovah never had wisdom? If you say Jehovah produced Christ Jesus His wisdom in a certain period. That only means one thing: Jehovah was without wisdom, knowledge and understanding until He created it.

It only means that Jehovah God is not eternally wise and knowledgeable... Therefore, I cannot rely in His wisdom, for it will have an end.

That verse is better rendered Jehovah possessed me from the beginning.

Go back to read that message again. You have just committed a fallacy. That he produce something to people doesn't mean he lack it before giving it out . I don't want to say much. I don't argue with someone who lack understanding of literal rules

WHAT DID THE JEWS UNDERSTAND BY CHRIST'S CLAIM IN JOHN5:18 JOHN 10:30-33?


let's start from here..... why were the Pharisees (always or at least most times) accusing Jesus of blaspheming??John 5:18

Let me give you a little commentary on that chapter of the Bible (but I want you and all other jws here to know that im just for open discussion no hard feelings) OK back to the commentary

could John 5:18 show that Jesus was claiming diety?



said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him "my Father", and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:

making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more (SHOWING THAT HE INTENDED MORE ..... JESUS WAS MAKING A CLAIM OF DIVINITY THERE), and had they imagined that he intended no more ( WHICH SHOWS THAT HE INTENDED MORE) by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned.
now some may not understand I summarize THE JEWS THEMSELVES CALLS GOD THEIR FATHER WHICH THEY THEMSELVES KNOW IT'S MAINLY ADOPTION WHICH ISN'T WRONG TO DO WHICH WASN'T BLASPHEMY .... BUT HERE JESUS WAS CLAIMING THE "ONE AND ONLY SON" THAT WAS A BLASPHEMY FOR THEY UNDERSTAND THE PHRASE "SON OF GOD" TO SHOWS SAME FORM, SAME SUBSTANCE WITH GOD.

Peacefullove:


Verse 46 Oga , Said Daniel was worshipped , Yes or No ?

Why are u scared of answering plain thing that is directly from your Bible.



L L , And you think honor is correct ... why ?




Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. -Revelation 3 vs 9



Lack of understanding, Even the same God tell Jesus to assure his disciples who are in Philadelphia , that he will gave orders and will be WORSHIPED , na so u see am , live from your bible.


I guess those guys in Philadelphia must be God's .

“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Give ur life to Jesus, u children of Satan.... U worship in d synagogue of satan. You are the ones Jesus is referring to here. You have denied the name of Jesus and reduced his power by comparing him to mere mortal men.....shame on you!!!!!!!......