Lightening:


Why are u so pained? Liberation has finally come to the sheeple. Thanks to Daddy Frz.

You are free to enjoy your freedom sir......John 8:32-36

[quote author=Reference post=62262313]He is an Evangelist not a Pastor. He has no flock so needs no offerings. It is not the same thing as running a church. Evangelists aee like midwives. They take delivery at new birth, but it takes a mother to raise a child and tell me it doesn't require funding

But those false prosperity preaching pastors and money lovers will hate the man. The false pastors should better believe in our God and then go and give all they fraudulently received from looters, built and accumulated, to the poor (whose wealth they stole and looted in the first instance), and then come and follow our own God, before they perish in their falsehood and hypocrisy, building mega business centers around which they in their false faith believe are churches of God, each one building his own company

Built2last:


Get a life archbishop. The person to judge my actions is God.

And you're indirectly judging their actions...

That man has cut short the expectation of the wicked. What will they be sharing after the program, all those money loving pastors or organizers. And the looted money they used to share with looters had previously been cut off.

brojoshua:
But those false prosperity preaching pastors and money lovers will hate the man. The false pastors should better believe in our God and then go and give all they fraudulently received from looters, built and accumulated, to the poor (whose wealth they stole and looted in the first instance), and then come and follow our own God, before they perish in their falsehood and hypocrisy, building mega business centers around which they in their false faith believe are churches of God, each one building his own company

Sir this not the whole Truth as I was there; it was even Daniel Kolenda that said so. He said the crusade has been financed by sacrifice of people giving in America.
That if you have brought an offering to give; go to your local church on Sunday morning and give. That no reaping without sowing.
Sir dont distort the Truth because you want to score cheap point

brojoshua:
That man has cut short the expectation of the wicked. What will they be sharing after the program, all those money loving pastors or organizers. And the looted money they used to share with looters had previously been cut off.

The man has never collected offering since I know him because some people sponsor the crusade.
I first attended his crusade in Ibadan 2001

obataokenwa post: Not possible.

Lol.. I really don't know how highly you rate deeper life o but its not really how you think.
Those who were privilege to be part of deeper life crusade last year in warri will attest to the offering part. lol

All Churhes are guilty of this offering problem apart from JW. They give their books, time and energy freely.
They are different.

This is the most sincere post I've ever seen since I don join nairaland

Built2last:
20 years ago. We used to occasionally raise money for missions. The money raised is announced. Those going to preach are brought out and prayed for. Church pays them at the field and take care of their families. It was a small local church. I am now in Abuja and an not count 5 churches with missionaries in the field. Or seriously funding missions. What we see is posh cars, jets and house warming.pastors family all schooling abroad and some come on pulpit to tell you that they don't collect salaries from the church and it's not your tithe and offering sustaining the church.

Most pastors do not want to answerable to anyone when it comes to church funds.

We build gigantic structures and preach to same people every Sunday. These people have heard of Christ and you keep them in a building preaching and collecting tithes and offerings. When the money become much they announce they are opening another branch in a beautiful city where income is guaranteed. There was never a place Bible recorded that money or contribution s made by the early church was spent in building a house or a church.

Even the Malachi 3:10 Nigerian pastors anchor on say bring ye tithe into my store house that there may be food. Food food. Who eats food in church. People who can't afford it .the poor. Tithe is to meet immediate needs first before buildings and cars and lavish life style. People attend services and go home not sure of where the next meal will come from and you collect the balance on them in the name of offering and drive home in A posh car. Some of our pastors are so surrounded by securities that a member who has no food cant even reach him. They invite pastors who will come out and call for a million naira seed, you think it ends there. They call 500, 200, 50k, 10k 1k till they tell you to drop whatever you have. To avert the curse. Which curse when Bible clearly tells us that Christ has redeem us from every curse of the law. They say pay that the devourers are rebuked. Christ said whatever is born of God over comes the world.

We must change our ways. Judgement is coming...

NwaAmaikpe:



Now that's a genuine missionary.


But my friend Johnson Suleiman in all his crusades will ask us to sow a dangerous seed of faith that will push God to the wall.

Seeds that end up in Stephanie Otobo's account.

Reference:
He is an Evangelist not a Pastor. He has no flock so needs no offerings. It is not the same thing as running a church. Evangelists aee like midwives. They take delivery at new birth, but it takes a mother to raise a child and tell me it doesn't require funding.

Running a church or running a business center?

I was laughing when on this same nairaland some ignoramus were calling Reinhard bonke a thief that he has come to chop money

Since I have known Reinhard bonke ..He doesn't collect offerings in his crusade neither does he solicit for donations...

Reinhard bonke doesn't have a church..He is an evangelist with a ministry that goes about preaching

This guy goes to the difficult places I can remember crusades he held in the north that caused riots from some Muslims he was smuggled out

Guess what he still came back to the north years later

Some of our chop chop pastors don run away from north east since boko haram..I thought they fear no one or witches

I will forever respect Reinhard bonke

Na where crisis dey ..where dey say you are not allowed to preach na there he dey go

The body of Christ will miss him as he plans to retire

One other thing you don hear Nigerian pastor retire even when them don old they will make sure they die there put

What more can I say after all you said but to say thank you and may God continue to reveal more of Himself to you! Amen!

Built2last:
20 years ago. We used to occasionally raise money for missions. The money raised is announced. Those going to preach are brought out and prayed for. Church pays them at the field and take care of their families. It was a small local church. I am now in Abuja and an not count 5 churches with missionaries in the field. Or seriously funding missions. What we see is posh cars, jets and house warming.pastors family all schooling abroad and some come on pulpit to tell you that they don't collect salaries from the church and it's not your tithe and offering sustaining the church.

Most pastors do not want to answerable to anyone when it comes to church funds.

We build gigantic structures and preach to same people every Sunday. These people have heard of Christ and you keep them in a building preaching and collecting tithes and offerings. When the money become much they announce they are opening another branch in a beautiful city where income is guaranteed. There was never a place Bible recorded that money or contribution s made by the early church was spent in building a house or a church.

Even the Malachi 3:10 Nigerian pastors anchor on say bring ye tithe into my store house that there may be food. Food food. Who eats food in church. People who can't afford it .the poor. Tithe is to meet immediate needs first before buildings and cars and lavish life style. People attend services and go home not sure of where the next meal will come from and you collect the balance on them in the name of offering and drive home in A posh car. Some of our pastors are so surrounded by securities that a member who has no food cant even reach him. They invite pastors who will come out and call for a million naira seed, you think it ends there. They call 500, 200, 50k, 10k 1k till they tell you to drop whatever you have. To avert the curse. Which curse when Bible clearly tells us that Christ has redeem us from every curse of the law. They say pay that the devourers are rebuked. Christ said whatever is born of God over comes the world.

We must change our ways. Judgement is coming...

NwaAmaikpe:



Now that's a genuine missionary.


But my friend Johnson Suleiman in all his crusades will ask us to sow a dangerous seed of faith that will push God to the wall.

Seeds that end up in Stephanie Otobo's account.

You know there is a problem when Christians are no longer preaching about faith, love and salvation. It is all about sowing proverbial seed to gain worldly possessions. Of course there is always a verse in the Bible to justify anything. Are you a man that lust after women? Then read the Songs of Solomon. Yes! In the same Bible.

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If all you hear from your pastors is about prosperity just know your pastor is a thief

NwaAmaikpe:



Now that's a genuine missionary.
NwaAmaikpe

But my friend Johnson Suleiman in all his crusades will ask us to sow a dangerous seed of faith that will push God to the wall.

Seeds that end up in Stephanie Otobo's account.

NwaAmaikpe NwaAmaikpe NwaAmaikpe

Hell awaits you

Omooba77:


Sir this not the whole Truth as I was there; it was even Daniel Kolenda that said so. He said the crusade has been financed by sacrifice of people giving in America.
That if you have brought an offering to give; go to your local church on Sunday morning and give. That no reaping without sowing.
Sir dont distort the Truth because you want to score cheap point

Slow down sir! You are trying too hard.Your defensive comments is everywhere on this thread.Nobody is saying giving offering is not good.Our problem is that most(if not all)our Nigerian pastors makes it look like if don't give offering,pay tithe or 'sow seeds' God will not answer your prayers.Some will even tell you that u can't make heaven.

NwaAmaikpe:



Now that's a genuine missionary.


But my friend Johnson Suleiman in all his crusades will ask us to sow a dangerous seed of faith that will push God to the wall.

Seeds that end up in Stephanie Otobo's account.

Antichrist

Be careful oh make them no poison u before u even finish ur program for spoiling their way of making millions

I'm impressed. The apostles preached, and sinners burnt all they acquired in sin....here, we ask them to sow it as seed. Rubbish!!

I think offering shud be given. Its always been voluntarily so its not an issue

a true evangelist. a preacher with authority. More grace upon him.

Bad market for the organizers who primarily intended to raise money from the massive audience.

check this investigative video https://www.facebook.com/charles.okonkwo.357/videos/10155420121249702/

There is nothing absolutely wrong if offerings are collected but he knows the mindset of people he relating with.

Keneking:
Business Centres take note

You call Winners and RCCG business centres ?

Dannys85:


Slow down sir! You are trying too hard.Your defensive comments is everywhere on this thread.Nobody is saying giving offering is not good.Our problem is that most(if not all)our Nigerian pastors makes it look like if don't give offering,pay tithe or 'sow seeds' God will not answer your prayers.Some will even tell you that u can't make heaven.

Please I am not defending anyone; just saying it as it is. The law of harvest is very clear, even Jesus mentioned it in Luke 6:38.
If you dont have faith and also love, you cant give..There are lot of wolves in sheep clothing, Matthew 23, Mathhew 7:21-23. Please anyone that calls himself man of God; mind what you say, if you are not comfortable with the doctrine leave. God bless you.

but many jumped into conclusion that "he's here to do us mmm", some people just wan talk before dem think �