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Gggg102:
1 I'm not kicking against tithe
I'm kicking against compulsion of tithing or haven't you heard that most churches don't allow members to get married and do other things without tithe
or how curses are attached to non payment
if you want to tithe do it but it is not compulsory



in the new testament nobody paid tithe also
you

what God wants actually is a pure heart
who do you think is closer to God.


the man that pays tithe but does not live a Christian life or a the man that lives a Christian life but does not pay tithe
our manmade money is useless to God

it is okay to give in appreciation to God that is Thanksgiving. u can use ur tithe to thank God if you want but that does not make it compulsory

again the Christians in acts were not paying tithes... they were moved to give out of free will not compelled to do so like how it is practiced today

again I'm not against tithing(I prefer to call it giving 10% now)
people even give 10% in my church but they are not forced
the only thing that is announced is that if u want to pay come forward and they pray for you.
no preaching about tithe and how u will be cursed if u don't pay
no keeping of record of who pays so u will deny those who don't pay their rights
just free will.

Do you support selective prayers for 'tithers'?

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

The bible you always carry to your church, is it from nigeria?
i knw u learn diz frm ur so called daddy freeze
remember wah jesus said, about false teaching

Acts 20:29-30
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

daddy freeze is among those that distort d truth

uyplus:
Who was he addressing? Wasn't it the Levitical priest? Or do you have any contrary information not written in the bible? Or do you want to assume for the bible that it extends to non descendants of the tribe of Levi?

Matt 23:23 wasn't addressed to Levi but religious leaders of old

hardasan:
Christians in the old testament paid tithe. In the new testament, nobody condemned tithes. Jesus even said : give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser, give to God what belongs to God. what belongs to God ? Or haven't you heard about praising God with your substance ?
We see Christians in the new testament giving all they have to support the church.

You're kicking against tithes.

point of correction in this your useless tirade... there were no christians in the old testament! understand??

hardasan:
Acts 2:44-47King James Version (KJV)

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Dear sir, Ananias cannot chop other people's money and bring only part of his own. So, it was compulsory that he brought all. That's why he lied.

Ananias committed two offenses :
Acts ch 5 vs 3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The holy spirit killed Ananias for stealing part of his contributions to the church.

you 're right Bro.. the op knows no Jack about the bible Christ teaching was centered on Love and not tithe... most of our so called titled men of God are scammers

baronene:
The bible you always carry to your church, is it from nigeria?
i knw u learn diz frm ur so called daddy freeze
remember wah jesus said, about false teaching

Acts 20:29-30
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

daddy freeze is among those that distort d truth

Very correct

aribisala0:
I have read the bible over 100 times.
Indeed the new testament is a modification of Judaism to suit Europeans just as Islam is a modification of Judaism to suit Arabs
If indeed you have read the bible you must realise that Jehova the deity of the new old testament is very different from the deity of the New Testament.
No matter how much you try and dress it up.
Jehova was a very blood thirsty and vengeful deity. He was the God of the Hebrews .and his love was for "offerings". Mostly blood offerings.
Christianity tries to persuade us that this same deity has become a vegetarian even though in he old testament he clearly states that he does not change.
The Jewish idea of offering is very similar to the idea of ebo riru among the Yorubas or other ritual sacrifices among other peoples. Whether or not there is God is left to individuals to choose but the idea that God chose one or other nation on earth (none of them black or African or Chinese or Indian) is a self referent delusion `with no basis in objective reality.

Doctrinally Judaism and Christianity are irreconciliable,
The idea of trinity is totally absurd and abhorrent from anything that the Old testament has to say.
It is very clear that Paul created a new religion that was further elaborated by the early churches in Europe with the idea of making it palatable to Europeans i.e permit eating pork,prohibit polygamy(Jews were polygamous) etc.

The idea of Jesus dying to take away the sins of the world is itself foolish.
God Died Illogical

The more you read the bible and the quran the less they make sense.

You must suspend your brain to engage with these religions

You’re very wrong that’s what your teacher you

hardasan:
1Chorinthians 10 vs 19 -20 says that sacrifices are not to God but to Idols. So offering of burnt offerings have been abolished that's why neither Jesus nor his disciples offered burnt offerings but Jesus never condemned tithes instead he said give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser and give to God what belongs to God.

tithe and offerings are not the weighty Matter of the Lord... Christ only use that statement give ceaser what's ceaser cos the Pharisees are seeking to find fault in him;always check the context before concluding:::Christ never preached tithing but rather giving to the poor,. infact the early church never talked about it rather their teachings were centered on holiness and the kingdom of God ::::even Christ said it that if you bring your gift before the alter and you remember that you have a hurt with brother __you should first of all make peace with him before coming back to offer whatsoever. now my question is this #how re you sure that God accept that your tithe

hardasan:
I'm not a pastor. Even if I am, it's not me that will receive the tithe of anyone reading this. I felt a burden to write and I am grateful I did. Apart from the bliss from the knowledge that I have impacted in not one, not 2, not even 10 lives, I feel like an apostle already
If you have followed up to this point, the summary is : tithing is biblical and it doesn't have to be money.

You have done so well . Anyone who reads your posts objectively will have good understanding .congrats

Themandator:
Matt 23:23 wasn't addressed to Levi but religious leaders of old

Smh! Bros don't try to the bible ok, before you attract the 12 plagues of egypt to your life. So who was Deuteronomy 14 22 to 29 referring to?

obailala:
Permit me to respond with a question; even with the death and resurrection of Christ, are you by any means suggesting that the Mosaic Laws are still binding on new covenant Christians? And by new covenant Christians, I also mean the Gentile Christians under which Nigeria falls?

No, all im saying is that Jesus Christ himself never condem tithing.
Luke 11:42 KJV
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The bolded said it sometthing that need to be done.

chisco82:
No, all im saying is that Jesus Christ himself never condem tithing.
Luke 11:42 KJV
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The bolded said it sometthing that need to be done.

Jesus Christ made that statement to Pharisees who are teachers of THE MOSAIC LAW. Remember, at the time the statement was made, the Mosaic Laws were still in full operation for all Jews.

From my own understanding of the bible, following the supreme sacrifice of Jesus, (i.e. his death and resurrection), it marked the beginning of the NEW COVENANT. The old covenant had all the Mosaic Laws which included animal sacrifices, men being prohibited from shaving side hair etc. The death of Jesus gave rise to the new covenant and under the new covenant teachings by the apostles, I'm yet to see any scripture which mandates any Christian to observe the old covenant Mosaic Laws. In the new covenant, Christians are urged to give freely, whatever they choose in their hearts and without compulsion (2Cor 9:7).

A lot of people who still insist on the Mosaic Laws of mandatory 10% giving obviously have poor knowledge of the full Mosaic laws. You to go read through the books of Numbers and Deutronomy and kindly tell me if you can keep up to 20% of those laws (giving 10% for blessings and to avoid curses) definitely is just 1 out of the numerous laws.

Chylo:
Do you support selective prayers for 'tithers'?

What do you mean by selective prayer

obailala:
, at the time the statement was made, the Mosaic Laws were still in full operation for all Jews.

When Jesus taught on new law LOVE . Mosaic law was still in operation . Jesus was not limited by mosaic law . He made modicfication on sabbath and other issues he felt were not perfect

obailala:
,, I'm yet to see any scripture which mandates any Christian to observe the old covenant Mosaic Laws

.[/quote]What do you say about the verse then

Ephesians 6:1-2
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

uyplus:
Smh! Bros don't try to the bible ok, before you attract the 12 plagues of egypt to your life. So who was Deuteronomy 14 22 to 29 referring to?

Please explain Matt 23:23

petra1:
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What do you say about the verse then

Ephesians 6:1-2
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

You're mixing up 'the laws' and 'the commandments'. Of course the ten commandments still stand till forever; that's why they were reiterated several times even in the new covenant teachings.

You really ought to go study the book of Deuteronomy to understand what the laws talked about. And then it would be nice if you can point out any Christian in present day who can keep up to one-tenth of them.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

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Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers

My sister, Shalom to you.

A lot of carnal or perhaps aggrieved minds will not understand the legitimacy of tithing.

That said, let me add to what you have stated -

Tithing i.e giving a tenth of ones proceeds PREDATED the mosaic law. Abraham tithed (even for his unborn descendants) Genesis 14:20; Hebrew 7:2.

Jacob tithed too Genesis 28:20-22

So, its NOT something gotten from the law. It was done by revelation. So tithing should not be attached to the old testament (old covenant of the laws of moses)

In the new testament, Jesus didn't in any occasion condemn tithing. In fact, he validated it in Matthew 23:23 being that he criticized the religious leader for paying attention ONLY to tithes but not paying attention to more important issues like justice, mercy, etc.

It is true that many church ministers are preaching tithes out of selfish and materialistic purposes, it still doesn't invalidate the giving of tithes.

Tithing is a thing of principle guided by divine revelation. If you believe and key into it, it goes beyond giving you material blessings as seen in Malachi 3:10.

ofai:
My sister, Shalom to you.

A lot of carnal or perhaps aggrieved minds will not understand the legitimacy of tithing.

That said, let me add to what you have stated -

Tithing i.e giving a tenth of ones proceeds PREDATED the mosaic law. Abraham tithed (even for his unborn descendants) Genesis 14:20; Hebrew 7:2.

Jacob tithed too Genesis 28:20-22

So, its NOT something gotten from the law. It was done by revelation.

In the new testament, Jesus didn't in any occasion condemning tithing. In fact, he validated it in Matthew 23:23 being that he criticized the religious leaders for paying attention ONLY to tithes but not paying attention to more important issues like justice, mercy, etc.

It is true that many church ministers are preaching tithes out of selfish and materialistic purposes, it still doesn't invalidate the giving of tithes.

Tithing is a thing of principle guided by divine revelation. If you believe and key into it, it goes beyond giving you material blessings as seen in Malachi 3:10.

Seems like the only explanation present day proponents of the 'mandatory' law of tithing have is that it is a 'revelation'. Obviously there's no scriptural backing why non-Jewish (Gentile) Christians under the new covenant must abide by old Mosaic laws so the argument always ends in "it is a spiritual revelation"

Abtaham tithed and Jacob tithed, but both didnt tithe under any form of compulsion or any mandatory law as it is preached today; both men tithed only once in their lives by the way. Jacob made a vow to God promisimg to give a tenth of his earnings if God delivered him from calamity, he kept to his promise. Likewise Abraham who did so out of love for God, he wasnt under a bond to tithe.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

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Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers

Hmmmm
Why are people more concerned about Tithe? is Tithe the only thing (morally) writing in the Bible? what about repentance and salvation? To me if you pay regularly your Tithe but you are an unrepentant sinner, you are not going to make heaven. Live a sin free life (repent), and salvation await you, with more blessings from God.......Preach ye henceforth REPENTANCE & SALVATION and stop this Tithe madness.

petra1:
When Jesus taught on new law LOVE . Mosaic law was still in operation . Jesus was not limited by mosaic law . He made modicfication on sabbath and other issues he felt were not perfect

Of course Jesus preached that those laws were not important; He healed on the sabbath (which is against the Law) and also scolded the Pharisees for holding onto parts of the laws that didnt matter. Jesus Christ preached about what mattered most, which is love.

And then again, tithing is a Jewish tradition, it was never commanded to non-Jewish believers. Apostle Paul explained the principles of giving under the new covenant to the non-jewish/gentile believers (which we all fall under today). And the principle preached by Paul was "giving freely, and without compulsion, whatever a man willeth in his heart." 2Cor 9:7

Saying a person must pay a specific amount (10%) in order to be in God's good books is complete heresy, that's the total opposite of what Jesus Christ preached and thats exactly what Jesus scolded the Pharisees for daily; it also totally negates the Holy Spirit inspired teachings in 2Cor 9:7.

obailala:
Seems like the only explanation present day proponents of the 'mandatory' law of tithing have is that it is a 'revelation'. Obviously there's no scriptural backing why non-Jewish (Gentile) Christians under the new covenant must abide by old Mosaic laws so the argument always ends in "it is a spiritual revelation"

Abtaham tithed and Jacob tithed, but both didnt tithe under any form of compulsion or any mandatory law as it is preached today; both men tithed only once in their lives by the way. Jacob made a vow to God promisimg to give a tenth of his earnings if God delivered him from calamity, he kept to his promise. Likewise Abraham who did so out of love for God, he wasnt under a bond to tithe.

Nobody is forcing anybody on tithing. But if you are sensitive to spiritual principles....tithing will be a thing of ease.

The Bible says many materialistic and selfish ministers shall arise.....that however, doesn't mean the sincere ones are not there who deserve to utilize the tithes for the furtherance of the gospel

Gggg102:
What do you mean by selective prayer

Calling them out for special prayer to rebuke devourer while devourer is free to attack others.

Jesus said when you give, give in secret so that God will bless. Don't come out and show everyone that you are giving, or you have your reward in full. Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Even if I wanted to give tithe, I wont come out and announce to all that I'm giving it.

obailala:
Of course Jesus preached why those laws were not important; he healed on the sabbath and also scolded the Pharisees for holding onto laws that dudnt matter. Jesus Christ preached about what mattered most, which is love. And then again, tithing is a Jewish tradition, it was never commanded to non-Jewish believers. Apostle Paul explained the principles of giving under the new covenant to the non-jewish/gentile believers (which we all fall under today). And the principle preached by Paul was "giving freely, and without compulsion, whatever a man willeth in his heart." 2Cor 9:7

Saying a person must pay a specific amount (10%) in order to be in God's good books is complete heresy, that's the total opposite of what Jesus Christ preached and thats exactly what Jesus scolded the Phatisees for daily; it also totally negates the Holy Spirit inspired teachings in 2Cor 9:7.

My brother, tithing was NOT a Jewish tradition. Abraham was from mesopotamia, he paid tithes (even for his unborn descendants), Jacob also known as Israel has no "Jewish tradition" then, yet he paid tithes. the Jewish nation wasn't in existence when tithing began.

ofai:
Nobody is forcing anybody on tithing. But if you are sensitive to spiritual principles....tithing will be a thing of ease.

The Bible says many materialistic and selfish ministers shall arise.....that however, doesn't mean the sincere ones are not there who deserve to utilize the tithes for the furtherance of the gospel

No its not about it being a thing of ease or not, it's about preaching the truth!

Of course the church needs the money from tithes for its operation and then again, there's always a blessing that comes with giving. So yes, it's a good thing to give tithes, but the problem lies in the mordern day teaching that paying 10% of your income to a church is a MANDATORY requirement to be in God's good books. From my understanding of the scripture, that is complete heresy, and that's exactly the sort of teaching Christ scolded the pharisees for everyday.

Jesus Christ's teachings made it clear that those Mosaic laws were not important, he scolded the Pharisees for holding on tightly to unimportant teachings (specifically mentionted tithe payments); he also demonstrated the unimportance of most of the old laws by healing a person on a sabbath day to dismay of the Pharisees (who were the highest custodians of the Law). Today I really dont see how preachers who threaten Christians with God's wrath if they dont part with 10% are different from those Pharisees that Jesus scolded.

And finally, tithing was a Jewish tradition, it was never commanded to the Gentile church following the Pentecost (I may be wrong but scriptural references to the contrary would help). The only principle of giving preached by the apostles to the gentile church is conveyed in 2Cor 9:7. I may be wrong again, but it would really be worthwile if someone could just prove me wrong with scriptures and not 'personal revelations'.

ofai:
My brother, tithing was NOT a Jewish tradition. Abraham was from mesopotamia, he paid tithes (even for his unborn descendants), Jacob also known as Israel has no "Jewish tradition" then, yet he paid tithes. the Jewish nation wasn't in existence when tithing began.

You are quite right, Abraham wasnt a Jew, and that explains why Abraham never paid a 'mandatory' tithe as was prescribed in the Law; Abraham only paid out of his love and appreciation for God for giving him victory in battle and it is on record that he paid just once. True or False?

Jacob also wasnt a Jew so he never was under any compulsion or order such as the Mosaic Law to pay a tenth regularly. Jacob made a vow at Bethel promising God to give a tenth of his earnings if God saved him from calamity. True or False?

The circumstances and the system of tithing paid by Abraham and Jacob were certainly not like the mandatory requirements of the Mosaic Law.

The Law of mandatory tithing which is preached in mordern day churches definitely has its basis from the Mosaic Laws given to the Jews. So my question is, are we, Gentile Christians (or Nigerian Christians) under the Mosaic laws which Jesus Christ has already downplayed and ended with his sacrifice?.. Are we still under the Mosaic laws?.... Scriptural backing would be useful in your answers; you can ask your pastor, but please dont just accept the empty answer that "it is a revelation"

obailala:
You are quite right, Abraham wasnt a Jew, and that explains why Abraham never paid a 'mandatory' tithe as was prescribed in the Law; Abraham only paid out of his love and appreciation for God for giving him victory in battle and it is on record that he paid just once. True or False?

Jacob also wasnt a Jew so he never was under any compulsion or order such as the Mosaic Law to pay a tenth regularly. Jacob made a vow at Bethel promising God to give a tenth of his earnings if God saved him from calamity. True or False?

The circumstances and the system of tithing paid by Abraham and Jacob were certainly not like the mandatory requirements of the Mosaic Law.

The Law of mandatory tithing which is preached in mordern day churches definitely has its basis from the Mosaic Laws given to the Jews. So my question is, are we Gentile Christians (or Nigerian Christians) under the Mosaic laws?

Tithing under the new testament is NOT AND NEVER mandatory (because we are no longer under a schoolmaster i.e the mosaic law) as it has nothing to do with our salvation or eternal destination, but it is OBLIGATORY FOR divine abundance.... which is beyond material blessings. God dosent force it on anyone, but if you understand divine abundance you will key into it whenever you are able to.

hardasan:
Christians in the old testament paid tithe. In the new testament, nobody condemned tithes. Jesus even said : give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser, give to God what belongs to God. what belongs to God ? Or haven't you heard about praising God with your substance ?
We see Christians in the new testament giving all they have to support the church.

You're kicking against tithes.

There is nothing like Christianity in the old testament, Christianity started after the death of christ precisely in the book of Act chapter two. Moreover Christ must die before Christianity will start read Hebrews chapter 9 verse 16 ,17,18 19 for better understanding.

obailala:
No its not about it being a thing of ease or not, it's about preaching the truth!

Of course the church needs the money from tithes for its operation and then again, there's always a blessing that comes with giving. So yes, it's a good thing to give tithes, but the problem lies in the mordern day teaching that paying 10% of your income to a church is a MANDATORY requirement to be in God's good books. From my understanding of the scripture, that is complete heresy, and that's exactly the sort of teaching Christ scolded the pharisees for everyday.

Jesus Christ's teachings made it clear that those Mosaic laws were not important, he scolded the Pharisees for holding on tightly to unimportant teachings (specifically mentionted tithe payments); he also demonstrated the unimportance of most of the old laws by healing a person on a sabbath day to dismay of the Pharisees (who were the highest custodians of the Law). Today I really dont see how preachers who threaten Christians with God's wrath if they dont part with 10% are different from those Pharisees that Jesus scolded.

And finally, tithing was a Jewish tradition, it was never commanded to the Gentile church following the Pentecost (I may be wrong but scriptural references to the contrary would help). The only principle of giving preached by the apostles to the gentile church is conveyed in 2Cor 9:7. I may be wrong again, but it would really be worthwile if someone could just prove me wrong with scriptures and not 'personal revelations'.

The scripture is there for all to feed from. Tithing NEVER began as a Jewish tradition. It began by revelation, yes, revelation. And there is no way understanding of a spiritual principle will come without divine revelation. You can't wish it away. Don't do anything you are NOT led by divine revelation to do my brother. Revelation is key.

DO YOU KNOW my brother that POLYGAMY was NEVER at any condemned in the Bible? But as we read the bible, it is the SPIRIT that gives life, not LETTERS (Bible quotations or wordings) as seen in 2 Cor 3:3-6. So by that we know that polygamy is not scriptural.

There are things that require spiritual depth for us to sufficiently understand. Tithing is one of them.

obailala:
You are quite right, Abraham wasnt a Jew, and that explains why Abraham never paid a 'mandatory' tithe as was prescribed in the Law; Abraham only paid out of his love and appreciation for God for giving him victory in battle and it is on record that he paid just once. True or False?

Jacob also wasnt a Jew so he never was under any compulsion or order such as the Mosaic Law to pay a tenth regularly. Jacob made a vow at Bethel promising God to give a tenth of his earnings if God saved him from calamity. True or False?

The circumstances and the system of tithing paid by Abraham and Jacob were certainly not like the mandatory requirements of the Mosaic Law.

The Law of mandatory tithing which is preached in mordern day churches definitely has its basis from the Mosaic Laws given to the Jews. So my question is, are we, Gentile Christians (or Nigerian Christians) under the Mosaic laws which Jesus Christ has already downplayed and ended with his sacrifice?.. Are we still under the Mosaic laws?.... Scriptural backing would be useful in your answers; you can ask your pastor, but please dont just accept the empty answer that "it is a revelation"


I think this story about Abraham and Mechilzedek is misunderstood and misrepresented/

First of all the word tithe is misunderstood in this context it means 10% that is all that it means just as the word half means 50% . It has no religious connotation.
It is just "settlement" for being present or witnessing the dividing of spoils. It has nothing to do with love of God. If you read the full story from chapter 13

That was more related to the custom of sharing spoils or booty

It is worth reading the entire story of what happened .

Abraham's relative was plundered by some kings and e and his men went and recovered their goods,defeated the kings and then plundered the in return.The plunder that was taken was shared and it is worth noting that Abraham DID NOT KEEP ANYTHING for himself as was his right but allowed the fighting men to share everything and he gave 10% to the priest who happened to come around at that moment.He was not tithing the work of his hands or booty which he even took a share from.

The context in which the word tithe is used today is as a verb but it was no different from the way cigarette smokers would say "50 me" i.e give me half

obailala:
You are quite right, Abraham wasnt a Jew, and that explains why Abraham never paid a 'mandatory' tithe as was prescribed in the Law; Abraham only paid out of his love and appreciation for God for giving him victory in battle and it is on record that he paid just once. True or False?

Jacob also wasnt a Jew so he never was under any compulsion or order such as the Mosaic Law to pay a tenth regularly. Jacob made a vow at Bethel promising God to give a tenth of his earnings if God saved him from calamity. True or False?

The circumstances and the system of tithing paid by Abraham and Jacob were certainly not like the mandatory requirements of the Mosaic Law.

The Law of mandatory tithing which is preached in mordern day churches definitely has its basis from the Mosaic Laws given to the Jews. So my question is, are we, Gentile Christians (or Nigerian Christians) under the Mosaic laws which Jesus Christ has already downplayed and ended with his sacrifice?.. Are we still under the Mosaic laws?.... Scriptural backing would be useful in your answers; you can ask your pastor, but please dont just accept the empty answer that "it is a revelation"

I know my scripture. Am a "berean" Christian.

That said, you can't hold on permanently to anything if you don't receive it by revelation, believe me.

I don't condemn those who don't tithe for reasons best known to them, but I also know the tithing can ignite spiritual abundance, not necessarily material excesses/blessings.

petra1:
You have done so well . Anyone who reads your posts objectively will have good understanding .congrats

Really? Really? Sincerely?

Israel had SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS on how to tithe.
Abraham must have been CLEAR on why he paid tithe.

Today's tithers NEITHER follow EXACTLY what Israel did nor what Abraham did.

So, on what CLEAR and very SPECIFIC DIRECTIVE are today's tithers practicing there money-for-financial-reward and escape from hell MONETARY TITHING?

Majority of today's tithers are NOT doing it IN RESPONSE to or IN APPRECIATION of God's grace.

Abraham gave a tenth of the PLUNDER after Melchizedek blessed him, not before.

Jacob promised to give God a tenth only after he would have received what he asked of God.

Today's tithers pay tithes SO AS TO GET from God.

Do any of these two examples - Abraham & Jacob - you guys run to to justify your monetary tithing today line up with what you do today? NO! None of them does.

You cannot twist the arms of the SOVEREIGN GOD. Otherwise you've made him human.

You cannot choose how you want to RELATE with him: He decides how.

He has CLEARLY said that IN TIME PAST and IN DIVERSE ways had related with man BUT in these last days he has chosen to do so through the Son whose NEW COVENANT SUPERSEDES anything before it - whether pre-law or under the Law.

If today you hear his VOICE and still harden your heart to INSIST on running under the New Covenant in your own way rather than in God's way then the end result has been clearly spelt out for you.