Now we have someone to stand with..you either stand with daddy freeze or you stand with daddy Enoch adeboye ...
I stand with daddy Enoch adeboye

Jesusgirl92:
People who insult Men of God should be careful... It is very dangerous for you if you do. Likes on Nairaland means nothing. He who has ears let him hear.

we dont insult thrm Madam,
we tell them wat d need to knw.
when u know the truth u speak out it doesnt mata if it counter the opinion of the so call men of God...

NuclearWinter:
Fake pastor.

If you were a true Christian as you claim, you will know the verse that states "no one comes to the father unless through me".

God does not speak directly to men since Jesus ascension.

There are no more prophets after Jesus and so whoever you spoke with is not th God of Bible but the same evil spirit that possessed Mohammed

This your doctrine get as e be. But God spoke to the Apostles several times. What about Prophet Agabus who warned Paul not to go down to Jerusalem?
What about Anania in Damascus who God instructed to go and lay hand on Saul to receive his sight?
What about the 5 daughters of Philip the Evangelist who have the gift of prophecy?
What about the prophets that were in the church of Antioch? Act 15

I Corinthians 14:1 'Follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy'.
The fact that God denies you that gift because you fail to keep the laws of the Holy Spirit doesn't mean you should be giving others wrong teaching.


I believe that your denomination doctrine is the personal opinion of the originator of you denomination. It has nothing to do with the scripture.

perryy:


Was it recorded Christ paid tax ? Yes! Was it recorded Christ paid tithe ? No. So, be like Christ not like Aaron. Be a Christian and not adebolean

Always study the Bible with open mind.

Look at the scripture below and interpret it with open mind

Mt 23:23

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others

zealous2121:
Now we have someone to stand with..you either stand with daddy freeze or you stand with daddy Enoch adeboye ...
I stand with daddy Enoch adeboye

dont stand wit any of them stand with the truth even if it means standing alone

delugajackson:
This man is funny. Why is he trying so hard to defend himself?

I'm sure this issue has caused him many sleepless nights. I call that the "cost of doing business". You wanna be in business, you gotta pay the cost of doing business. And when the cost gets too high, you get out of business.

But trust me, he would never want that to happen, he would rather propagate more lies and turn the Bible upside down to please his gullible followers until Jesus Christ shows up.

I pity you and your orientation

The good I see in all these social engagements in the issue of tithing is that the Nigerian society is gradually changing. Ideals n principles are now being questioned and relevant parties are presenting their views, even if they are dissenting. The G. O of MFM even had to say something about it today, he said the bible never made tithe compulsory but a pre-requisite to open heavens.

obailala:


The issue isnt whether tithing is good or not; of course going by the principles of giving, givers get blessed (irrespective of religion) and givers dont lack - it is a principle! But the main issue under debate is whether tithing is a mandatory command by God to new covenant Gentile Christians just as it was a mandatory law made to Jews in the old.

To address your point about tithing existing before the Law, the tithe (not tithe[b]S[/b] paid by Abraham and the tithes paid by Jacob were very different from the tithing laws made under Moses. Firstly, Abraham tithed only once, it was never recorded as a regular act and most importantly, he did so voluntarily, out of love and not due to any mandatory law from God (TRUE or FALSE?). Secondly, Jacob also tithed voluntarily (TRUE or FALSE?).

So ultimately, if the church today claims a true believer must tithe regularly so as not to rob God or attract curses or incur His wrath, then it is obvious the modern day church has built its tithing principle on the old laws of Moses (Malachi 3) and certainly not in the order of tithing of Abraham (TRUE or FALSE?).

Regarding your examples on fornication, lying etc, you obviously confuse 'the Laws' from the commandments. Of course those things you mention fall under the commandments, and Jesus and the apostles (under the Holy Spirit) clearly still reiterated those commandments till forever. But understanding how the Mosaic laws were a great burden to the people, Jesus constantly rebuked the Pharisees (religious extremists) for burdening the people with keeping to unimportant components of the law; in order to prove this, do you agree Jesus actually broke the law when he healed the sick on the Sabbath?...

But today, it seems the modern day church are now like the Pharisees of old who Jesus rebuked for tormenting believers with the curse of the law (i.e. you are robbing God and are under a curse if you dont pay tithes regularly). The church of today still burdens believers with this 'Curse of the Law' despite the fact that Jesus has completely saved us from that curse (Gal 3:13).

It's always ridiculous when believers today still make reference to the Mosaic Laws and argue of their validity till date. People who make this argument are obviously ignorant of the full contents of that law; many who claim the laws are still valid till date do not know that they already violate it when they shave their side beards or wear a simple jeans trouser and a cotton shirt/blouse. But of the numerous components of that law, you hold on only to tithing and claim the laws are still valid, even to Gentile Christians?

oboy so na like this you correct reach??

Your explanation is on point..come drink one bottle of orijin...

PointZerom:



There's express commandment of tithe in the Bible but you all claimed that it's for the Levites but One thing you forgot to know is that the duties of these biblical Levites in the temple that prompted the tithe are bn taken care of by some people in todays present church who are also being taken care of by the church through tithes etc.

There is no express commandment for Christians to tithe in the bible, if not, pastor Adeboye wouldn't have said his pastors wanted to scam him till he received God's conviction.
There are some very controversial subjects in the bible that the Bible doesn't give an express commandment towards.. Such subjects includes tithing, women wearing trousers e. t. c.. Only someone's personal conviction will do.

pavy:



You have contradicted yourself with the scripture you mentioned. The sheep are those who love God, seek Him and endeavor to do ALL that He has commanded diligently. While, the goats are the stubborn ones, those who try to analyse God's word with human wisdom and understanding, those who find a reason to disobey laid down instructions like the case of Adam. Adam was given a simple instruction by God, all he had to do was obey. But the devil through his wife gave him ideas and reasons why they should disobey, and mankind was damned for it.

The instruction here is simple, bring ye thy tithe into my storehouse that there may be meat...if you obey, you enjoy the benefit, if you disobey, you suffer the consequence...don't find a reason to disobey God, remember Adam.

Tither you have been spotted.

Happy now?

By sheep I meant the animal as it is. Senseless by nature. Not thinking. If one enters fire, the rest follow it.

The instruction you gave was from the old testament. How many Old Testament instructions are still followed till now?

I'm not even sure you know what the word contradiction means.

Harrynight:


we dont insult thrm Madam,
we tell them wat d need to knw.
when u know the truth u speak out it doesnt mata if it counter the opinion of the so call men of God...

What do you call "thieves, pastorpreneurs, Yahoo pastor, criminal" and all others derogatory names people use to categorize these men because of tithe?? Even unbelieving sinners are not called such names... If you don't want to pay tithes, then don't. But calling pastors and people who choose to pay tithes gullible and all sorts of names is very very dangerous. Who made you a judge over them? Are you trying to fight God's battles?? Can you be a better judge than the Almighty God?? If non Christians do this it would not have looked this bad because it's expected... But CHRISTIANS?? Remember, judgement will start from the church. What would you say then?? What would be your excuse??

No Such Thing As A Biblical Money Tithe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wy0Wv-Aw4U&index=17&list=RDQMz-iCOhEQMto


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” Galatians 3:13

I don't know how it is possible to be redeemed from the curse and still cursed with a curse. Why should a pastor curse his brethren for not paying tithes

Sad but it all boils down to selling the grace and favor of God for money.

Goshen360:
God is THE ONLY BOSS that will fire you but still let you keep working. If you don't believe this ask Saul. He was anointed only for 2 years but was a king for 40 years. Meaning, he was only sitting king for 38 years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqcK-4cVaaE

Somebody help me pass this message to Pastor Adeboye.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLQjJ_uq6hM

Pastor Adeboye used to be a MOG I respect growing up as a young Christian but on this topic, I lost respect for him especially when he says things not a sound doctrine. If every Christian claim God told me without us having a way to verify in the word, do you know how many issues we'll have in the body of Christ today?

Pastor Adeboye should swallow his pride and accept biblical truth and sound Christian doctrines.

New Living Translation
All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer.
Acts 2vs42

Tithe wasn't taught by the Apostles to the early church and not everything written in the bible is for Christians

Malachi 3:8-11 talks about tithing. Christians are to follow the entirety of Bible and not just New Testament even the Apostles and Jesus Christ
quoted verses from Old Testament. With respect
to what was shared by the OP this is the
message in Open Heavens 2017 ( a Devtional
written by Daddy GO) for today. If you read carefully the uneducated pastors were preaching the tithing as in the Bible to Daddy GO and the church but as at then he was not convinced initially like many others today until the Holy Spirit convicted him.

toye440:

My friend r u saying tithing is wrong cos i like to educate every plastic christian on this platform.

You have no right to refer to anyone as a plastic Christian. Such term is very derogatory.


Why is it that it is those very "authentic Christians" that are the first to cast the first stone?

I am not saying tithing is wrong. What I am clamouring for is accountability and transparency. Let the G.O regularly publish or tell his Church members how tithes and offerings are spent up to the last penny. At least such practice was evident in the Old Testament. The pastor is both answerable to God and Man.

Omooba77:


This Open Heavens of today December 3, 2017 and was written at least a year before now.

OPEN HEAVENS DAILY DEVOTIONAL
DATE: SUNDAY 3RD DECEMBER 2017
THEME: TITHING IS TRUSTING

MEMORISE:
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5

READ: Proverbs 3:5-7
3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

MESSAGE:
To experience exploits in your life, you must have a personal relationship with God. You must believe that He lives and love Him with all your heart. You must also learn to trust in Him. That command to pay tithes on your earnings simply places a demand on you to trust in God. Your response to this command shows the level of trust you have in Him. If you can pay your tithe correctly, it shows that you trust God for your livelihood, but if you find it difficult to be faithful in doing this, it simply shows that you trust more in your earnings than in God to sustain you. After I became newly born again and we were taught to pay tithes, I laughed and said in my mind, “These people do not know that I am a mathematician. If 100% is not enough for me, how can 90% be enough after I have paid 10% as tithes? Thank you very much! Even though these people are not educated, they still want to use their smartness to take 10% of my income from me. Let them try and take it”. However, down the line, God convinced me by Himself and I observed remarkable changes in my life.
In those days, I was a lecturer in the university. I had a car but was afraid to drive in Lagos, so I got a driver. At the end of the month, I would pay my driver his salary, but by the middle of the next month, I would have to borrow money from him to buy petrol (gasoline). This happened month after month. I continued to struggle with my finances and even had to spend all my earnings. However, when I started paying my tithes, I suddenly realised I did not need a driver anymore, because boldness came from nowhere and I could now drive myself. Also, I did not have to visit hospitals again because I now had the Great Physician as my doctor. My children did not fall sick again, and that leakage in my finances was blocked off. All of a sudden, doors of opportunities began to open to me because I trusted the Lord. Are you still struggling with tithing? If you are, it only shows that you do not trust God to take care of you. The truth is, whatever you are paid may never be sufficient to meet all your needs because you are limited to that source, whereas you are open to various devourers. In contrast, when you tithe, you will have access to resources beyond your income because God’s storehouse will be opened to you, and He will also block every source of losses in your life. It is a matter of choice. Why don’t you start trusting God from today by paying your tithes faithfully?

KEY POINT:
It is shocking to know that quite a number of God’s children cannot trust God with their finances.

BIBLE IN ONE YEAR:
Psalm 93-101
Nahum 3:5-19
AUTHOR: PASTOR E. A. ADEBOYE

HYMN 14: TAKE MY LIFE
1.Take my life and let it be
Consecrated, Lord, to Thee.
Take my moments and my days,
Let them flow in endless praise.

2.Take my hands and let them move
At the impulse of Thy love.
Take my feet and let them be
Swift and beautiful for Thee.

3.Take my voice and let me sing,
Always, only for my King.
Take my lips and let them be
Filled with messages from Thee.

4.Take my silver and my gold,
Not a mite would I withhold.
Take my intellect and use
Every pow’r as Thou shalt choose.

5.Take my will and make it Thine,
It shall be no longer mine.
Take my heart, it is Thine own,
It shall be Thy royal throne.

6.Take my love, my Lord, I pour
At Thy feet its treasure store.
Take myself and I will be
Ever, only, all for Thee.

A SCAMMER wrote this trash

If u ask a pastor who he pays tithe to they will tell you they pay to charity and poor ppl den y can't we pay to them by ourself we don't need middle man....wholesaler is not needed just we the producer to the consumer directly

femi4:
Always study the Bible with open mind.

Look at the scripture below and interpret it with open mind

Mt 23:23

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others

In the bible verses u referd to , Christ let us know the weighty matters and classified others less weighty as others. If tithe was that important, Christ would have classified it among the weighty matters . If others that Jesus mentioned has anything to do with the almighty tithe , it would have been qualified with 'superior others. Anyway , read acts of the apostles chapter 15.

Nobody can decide for me what to do with my money. I decided to use my money to pay tithe so what is anyone business? Some may decide to patronize harlots with their money so what is my business. I will continue to pay my tithes, all haters should go and commit suicide. Afterall it is my money,

nicemuyoo:
The bible verse you just quote I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it. You have twisted scriptures to sooth your point. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind.so give it to Caesar if he demands It! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
[qu2ote author=hadow post=62938917]I just read Freeze's opinion on tithe and I feel it is poppycock. didn't Abraham pay tithe to Melchizedek, was he a levite. pls endeavour to read Hebrews 7:5-10 the verse talks about Levi paying tithe to Melchizedek through the loins of Abraham.
lest we forget when the Pharisees came to ask Jesus about tax he said give into Cesar what belongs to Cesar and give unto God what belongs to God and tithing is of God malachai 3.
NB: this is nothing but my honest opinion.

connect it to Malachi 3

perryy:


In the bible verses u referd to , Christ let us know the weighty matters and classified others less weighty as others. If tithe was that important, Christ would have classified it among the weighty matters . If others that Jesus mentioned has anything to do with the almighty tithe , it would have been qualified with 'superior others. Anyway , read acts of the apostles chapter 15.

You didn't use open mind. Christ said faithfulness, justice and mercy are more important than tithing but concluded by saying you could achieve both without neglecting the other

HeyCorleone:
What Christians need is personal conviction.

Only a sheep would do something because their G.O says it's right.

These people are fighting so hard. Things would never be the same again.

Thanks to minds like FRZ who've made things clearer to Nigerians.

But trust me a lot of them won't still adhere, like the poster above me.

I believe what God wants from us is Charity works rather than tithes and offerings as highlighted by Jesus in Matthew 25:31—46 ..

But God actually wants us to be Sheep. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad is why we're where we are today. Over smart na hin land us for trouble. Jesus came to deliver us from that trouble and now we want to get back into the same trouble.

I stand with the sheeple and Daddy G.O on this one.

Charity works shouldn't stop your Tithing and vice-versa.

Love is the underlying rate limiting step in all the commandments of God and if you do love God, you won't have any worries obeying all his commandments.

thowbie7ven:
I'll rather give my money to a broken Man...i'll rather clothe someone's unclothedness...i'll rather put food on an hungry man's table...i'll rather fund an orphan's fees rather than pay my tithes...

How many of all these you mentioned have you done? Be honest with yourself.

Smart Daddy G O....

I

inice:

The bible is not a mere literature book. Even the devil quoted the bible when he tempted Jesus and on the surface it was actually written. That son of satan frz deceiving his followers

He is the son of the devil for reading out what's in the bible, and you by judging him are a son of who exactly?

so god did not tell you what nigerias problrm is
and putting an end to it.
the same god cant get us out of suffering
instead hr told u
its ok to bill church goers based on tithe package.
God punish u

lebete3000:


But God actually wants us to be Sheep. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad is why we're where we are today. Over smart na hin land us for trouble. Jesus came to deliver us from that trouble and now we want to get back into the same trouble.

I stand with the sheeple and Daddy G.O on this one.

Charity works shouldn't stop your Tithing and vice-versa.

Love is the underlying rate limiting step in all the commandments of God and if you do love God, you won't have any worries obeying all his commandments.

What is the tithe money used for? If it is used for charity and church upkeep, isn't it wiser to just carry out the charity yourself? or is that left exclusively for the G.O? Then donate the rest for church upkeep..

I feel that's more reasonable, and a surefire way to lessen corruption in the church.

Who told you pastor Adeboye need your money and i can see the Holy Spirit has left you not GO freez has really brain washed you like the Boko Haram suicide bombers

I correlate and stand with nothing but the truth.I know the truth so I stand with one who speaks the truth.I stand with daddy Enoch in this regard. Thanks for your words.

Harrynight:


dont stand wit any of them stand with the truth even if it means standing alone

BeeBeeOoh:


http://dailypost.ng/2017/12/02/god-convinced-tithing-right-adeboye-speaks/

that message was written at least a year ago for today's open heaven and you guys are saying he responded to whoever/whatever... I tire.