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| Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah(op): 9:33am On Dec 13, 2017 |
LOL. My, oh my. Do you know what it actually means to refer to someone as being possessed? joshnes: |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:01am On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Possess 1. own, have. 2. keep control over 3. become the owner of 4. occupy (the mind) dominate. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah(op): 10:42am On Dec 13, 2017 |
Okay, bro. Do have a wonderful day ahead of you. joshnes: |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:59am On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Finally, dictionary has kept you quiet. Now, you will not decieve people like this and go scot free. God will eventually arrest you just like Paul and like Paul too, open your eyes to the truth and make you an ambassador of the same truth. I am praying for you and I hope to hear from you then. Do have a nice day too. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah(op): 11:17am On Dec 13, 2017 |
Not really! I just thought about Jude 1:12-13 and decided to end the intellectual riling and divergence of thoughts and beliefs. There are people who are structured to waste fruitful time on fruitlessness. You have your ways and it is different from mine. So, I appreciate your time so far. joshnes: |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 11:41am On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:OWKAY |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 4:14pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:U r twisting nd embellishing truth with lies wch is typical of jws. The king who killed tyndale is different from the one reversed all the law against translating the scripture. Its almost similar to wat Constantine did in Rome. The emperors before him killed Christians but he Constantine came into power and made Christianity the official. U r smart but had i not known d story before now, i would av bought into d hogwash. Now u are talking about copyright law and theft, did any such law exist then? U r calling the Bible rotten cos of ur story, u r also saying wat tyndale did was rotten. Ur Bible was translated by people who knew nothing about the language just cos ur secret society asked dem to doctor d truth to mean wat ur society teaches. Jw are not slandered or ridicle for anything than ur heretic teachings.. U said u believe Jesus resurrected. Dat is a lie. U ppl do not believe in d resurrection and ascension of christ. U r now sounding petty by giving crimes committed by individuals church coloration. Are u saying there aren't crimes committed by ur members? Why should i give u Bible references in ur manipulated Bible? While trying to sound spiritual by saying God gave 5 uneducated man committee wisdom to translate (doctor) the Bible u still don't believe u can pray for a common headache today and God will heal |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 4:27pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
salvation101:They harbour rapists and pedophilles. The only way these people can be reproved or disfellowshipped is if there are 2 or more witnesses, Even if the Victim attests to the fact that she was raped another person not present when the act was done must prove the rapist raped the victim before the perpetrator can be sanctioned. If you report the crime to police you can be disfellowshipped or considered bad association by the organization and your loved ones will be asked to limit contact with you. See someone talking about crimes of Constantine that only her organization teaches has not talked about the crimes in her own. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:Wow. Really? I tot dey don't commit crimes in jehova witness. Nd he was accusing ppl killing each other as if it was church dat asked dem to. Sounded very petty if u ask me |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 4:42pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
salvation101:People killing themselves? They kill themselves due to blood transfusion ban. In fact their organization has killed more jws than Hitler ever did. Not to talk of the mass genocide of all non jws (religious cleansing) their Jehovah is coming to do. Then the number of suicides their shunning ( emotional blackmail) has caused since inception (1952). They commit one of the worst crimes ever known in history but they hide it or misquote bible verses to support these criminal offences. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 5:02pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:sounds so funny. So much about the "real"Christianity dey r trying to portray. And all these things u mentioned still happens among den, sincerely i was obviously of some d things u mentioned |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:22pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
salvation101:Like I said they hide their evil doctrines till they have converted the unsuspecting individual. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah(op): 6:16pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
salvation101:No, I am not. The Church of England had always been headed by the kings. Whatever the Church did was under the command of the King. The Church of England was used by Henry III and James VI to either murder Tyndale or plagiarise his work. You should read about the Church, its leaders and its activities. The tool of operation had always rested on the shoulders of the Church of which those two men headed. If we say the British took us as slaves, does it mean that the present generation of Britons are responsible for taking our ancestors as slaves? No! The focus has always been on the country and whoever wears the crown faces the crowd. Both Henry III and James VI did things that our current legal system deems punishable. How is that twisting? It is history, my dear. salvation101:Nopes! Henry III didn't make reading the bible punishable. The Bible at that time was only in Latin and the masses spoke English. Apart from that, only the elites had the luxury to afford the Bible in Latin. Not that it wasn't available. Christianity was never made the official religion in Rome. It was only made legal. Other religions continued their traditions. For those who could not conform to the neo-Christianity (which included the pagan doctrine of the Trinity, the use of idols for worship, the worship of Ishtar/Mary, Hellenistic festivities like Easter, birthday, Christmas etc) continued their traditions proper as before. salvation101:I am giving you documented history. I have no reason to lie online. The onus is on you to check for facts. salvation101:There were no law forbidden the use of Nuclear weapons, but by your standard, were Americans right to have used it? salvation101:In English, we say one bad apple spoils the whole barrel. When something is bad, there is no way around it. I am not calling the Bible translation rotten, but I said that the text heretically inserted in 1 John 5:7 is rotten. It is not found in the Greek scripture, so where did it come from? We cannot make up words to fill the Bible. There are some texts missing in the Greek Scripture. We all know that but it is no one's duty to fabricate anything to fill it up. Preserve the word of God. Tyndale did a great job and that is why he is still remembered. They would have swept his name under the carpet and taken all the glory. salvation101:Well, that is what you have been told. You have no facts to ascertain that. Bloggers are feeding you fictitious lies. At least we did not kill anybody or steal. I am sure that you are surprised to learn of the bloodstain in your heavenly Bible. The KJV is not an authority to anyone. Not even to the KJV publishers. They have made many flaws. So, next time you judge ours think about the mistakes and bloodstain in your KJV. salvation101:Who gave you the right to ridicule or slander, even if? Is that the message that Jesus sent you? Why not spend time teaching about God and Jesus than seeking to annihilate the JW? salvation101:hahaha. Are you forcing us not to believe? I said that we do and I gave you a Bible verse to support my answer. The response came to you as a surprise. The bloggers did not fully enlighten you. You were shocked. LOL. I am positive salvation101:We believe in the resurrection and ascension of Christ. Acts 1:9 After he had said these things, while they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their sight. We believe that he was buried , yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures 1 Corinthians 15:4 salvation101:I am updating you. You have been programmed to attack the JW and you have a list of topics with fictitious facts. So, I am trying to update you on some more serious issues that require attention or knowledge. Not that we do not know stuff, but we do not engage in smear crusade to bring people down. We try to show people the Bible's viewpoint on issues affecting our lives and the Kingdom of God instead of tackling organisations. We bring positive vibes because what we have is the good news of our God, Jehovah. salvation101:Oh, we are all imperfect. We all sin and fall short of Jehovah's requirements. If not for his grace, I wonder where each one of us would have been. Jehovah's witnesses are not perfect and have never claimed to be. We are all humans. We endeavour and give our best, each one to his capacity. Jehovah strengthens us through his son, Jesus, our king. salvation101:Like I said, our Bible is made for us and for interested ones not for public sharing. No JW has ever knocked at your door and handed you a Bible. Do not feel bothered about our Bible, no one will give it to you by force. Your focus now should be how to erase the heretical text in your own KJV Bible at 1 John 5:7. Also, if you can write a letter of inquiry to KJV to find out the reason for the EDITING and RE-EDITING of the KJV over time, it would be resourceful as well. salvation101:We do not believe in bait and switch miracles. Those displayed on TV are theatrical displays to gain fame and adulation. What we believe in is new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in this righteousness is to dwell. 2 Peter 3:13 We hope to live forever in a peaceful paradise on earth when the world will be restored to God's original purpose and Jesus will rule as our King and priest. A world without death, sorrow and pain. That is the promise that God gave to those who will listen to him. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 6:59pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove:the word 'Ruach' can take different meaning depending on the contextual meaning. In verse 21 it mean Spirit because that verse is talking of what goes on after death but verse 19 is talking physical events The Ruach therefore has different meant in each verse Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 7:01pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I ask u a question, is it possible to have two mighty God? Answer mine first then I will answer yours. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah(op): 7:46pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
There is evidence in the Bible where the title Mighty God is used to refer to Jehovah and Jesus. And that in no way endorses your belief in a dual God or the Trinity. So answer my question. solite3: |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 9:25pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:you have just answered yourself technically. Both Jesus and Jehovah are called mighty God, Jehovah is called the mighty God. The definite article used here tells there is only one Mighty God not two which further proves that Jesus is Jehovah God. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 12:28am On Dec 14, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Cheap lies u r telling again. Two different kings are involved here nd u r making it seem like tyndale was killed so his work can be stolen. King Henry ordered foe the killing of tyndale in 1536 while king James approved the writing of tge king James version in 1604 wen he came into power after the death of Queen Elizabeth. A petition signed by 1000 puritan clergymen was brot before King James about the need to have another Bible in English version. He listened to both the Presbyterians and Puritans arguments and den he gave an order dat a 50 man committee comprising of the best scholars in d land be set up to translate the Bible. Tyndales work at dat time was the only English version to av translated from the greek and Hebrew language so it was part of wat the committee used... Na wa for u oo. See how u tried to twist fact just to discredit the word of God. Like i once said, its typical of jws. Compare king James Bible wit ura dT was translated by a 5 man committee... Its on Wikipedia so am not making it up. Ur society tried to hide the identity of the translators saying the glory should go to God until God exposed dem. If u don't believe in miracles den u r serving a dead god. How den are u better than an atheist? I'd rather not be a Christian dan serve a God i can pray to wen my head aches nd can be sure of a miracle.. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah(op): 3:38am On Dec 14, 2017 |
You have no logical membrane in your comment. I thought you would storm with a bombshell. No one ever doubted that they were both called mighty God. Making a conclusive remark based on that indicates a lack of in-depth understanding of the scriptures. There are many titles that Jesus also shares with humans. Jesus was a man, but how does that decategorize him as a spirit? So, a reference to Jesus as Mighty God automatically defines him as Jehovah? Does he become a biological son of Jesse because he was called the son of Jesse? He himself uttered that Jehovah is GREATER than he is. Do you know the technical implication is his choice of word? He prayed to Jehovah, he cried to him, he called him his God and clearly states the difference in his will and that of Jehovah. Just imagine your conclusion as if you just discovered the formula for an alphabet riddle. We will not be making a decision on articles when a name and a reference have been mentioned. Jesus said in John 17:3 that Jehovah is the only true God. Also, in John 20:17 he referred to him as his God and our God. Do you count Jesus credible at all? 1 Peter 1:3 refers to Jehovah as the God and father of Jesus Christ. Some thoughts are riling to sanity and we must be careful. Please, read those verse in your own Bible and figure it out accordingly. solite3: |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 8:58am On Dec 14, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:you said there are 2 mighty Gods. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 8:10am On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mr lovingjehova, i see d anti spambot is hiding ur post and maybe suspending u... Just send a mail to a Mod or supemod nd it would be resolved in less than an hour |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 11:17am On Dec 15, 2017 |
[quote author=lovingJehovah post=63263807]You have no logical membrane in your comment. I thought you would storm with a bombshell. No one ever doubted that they were both called mighty God. Making a conclusive remark based on that indicates a lack of in-depth understanding of the scriptures.I have given you an irrefutable proof of my claim, I will not compel you to accept it but at least carry out an independent research to find out the truth instead of baseless arguments. For you questions, the point is not about if Jesus is Spirit or not but about Jesus being God don't try to spin it. Jesus did not just share title with humans but he is a human But Do you know that God does not give his glory with another Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Jehovah does not share his glory, so Jehovah and another being cannot bear the same title. So, a reference to Jesus as Mighty God automatically defines him as Jehovah? Does he become a biological son of Jesse because he was called the son of Jesse? He himself uttered that Jehovah is GREATER than he is. Do you know the technical implication is his choice of word? He prayed to Jehovah, he cried to him, he called him his God and clearly states the difference in his will and that of Jehovah.Jesus was a biological son to Jesse,100%, I don't disagree that Jesus is lower than the father as a man. I have explained to you how Jesus being called the mighty God means he is Jehovah Just imagine your conclusion as if you just discovered the formula for an alphabet riddle.I m not riling to insanity because I understand what I am saying but you have to open your heart. Do you know that Jesus never mentioned the name JEHOVAH? Jesus is God Almighty it is written all over scripture, seek for Jesus lovingGod your confusion will be taken away. Shalom. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by achorladey: 11:05pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63302439][/quote]hw will you reconcile John 17:5 with the glory issue contained in your post. John 17:5 clearly indicate that indeed Jehovah's glory and that of Jesus is different. Dont forget Jesus himself said this except you make Jesus a liar by saying Jesus is Almighty God. From John 17:5 Jesus is diferrent from the Father, Jehovah(Almighty God). Who is the Almighty God, Revelation 4:9-11 answers this question. Jehovah alone has this statue. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 11:54pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Religion confuses everyone. ![]() |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by manikal: 2:41am On Dec 16, 2017 |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 7:24am On Dec 16, 2017 |
achorladey:Jesus is both man and God, as a man he is lesser than his Father. Jesus is still man in heaven, Jesus had a bodily resurrection. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 7:32am On Dec 16, 2017 |
Teachings about the humanity of Christ is not common in most.churches leading to confusion and miss understanding of the bible. It is not enough to know Jesus is God but to also know that Jesus is a man, he is in fact the first of God's new creation after his resurrection from the grave. He is the High priest in heaven who entered the temple in heaven with his own blood. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by jom28gy(m): 9:38am On Dec 17, 2017 |
Jesus was a name he took when he came in his first advent,now coming this time around,he is our lord Jesus Christ,and his new name,which no one will know,except those he revealed to. |
| Re: Is Jesus God? by orunto27: 1:20pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Revelation 19: 11-21. |
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U say the Father is not a man , But the Son is still a man . Differences in Nature proofs they are not equal in Nature as you claimed