enilove:

How did you know the apostles did not pay tax?

did u say tax??

lonikit:


Answer the question sir. mention one blessing that tithers get and non-tithers lack. simple

Luke6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you;
+ good measure,
+ pressed down, and
+ shaken together,
+ and running over,
..... shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


BONUS DEMONSTRATION

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j2Wu1ZZWCcA

Can you imagine a situation where Maishai decided not to cut but handed everything to ajebo

GoodMuyis:


Luke6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you;
+ good measure,
+ pressed down, and
+ shaken together,
+ and running over,
..... shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


BONUS DEMONSTRATION

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j2Wu1ZZWCcA

Can you imagine a situation where Maishai decided not to cut but handed everything to ajebo

wht is the relationship with the question

lonikit:
did u say tax??

I meant tithe

enilove:


I meant tithe

bible never recorded it.

lonikit:


bible never recorded it.

Why would they make mention of an issue that is generally accepted . Are the apostles makers of laws? They follow the laws and the teachings of our Lord Jesus.

If there was need not to pay tithes, they would have mentioned it like the issue of circumcision.

enilove:


Why would they make mention of an issue that is generally accepted . Are the apostles makers of laws? They follow the laws and the teachings of our Lord Jesus.

If there was need not to pay tithes, they would have mentioned it like the issue of circumcision.

why dont they practice other laws that are generally accepted too.

lonikit:


why dont they practice other laws that are generally accepted too.

Example pls , of laws not practiced and not explained with reasons to Christians in the Bible.

enilove:


Example pls , of laws not practiced and not explained with reasons to Christians in the Bible.

oga u dont knw anytin abt tithe jare. can't be wasting my time cus u are not ready to learn

lonikit:


goin by the precepts of tithe. it no longer justifiable. offering and tithe are not dsame. offering is highly acceptable

What makes offering acceptable and tithes not acceptable. Both had been principles in Gods kingdom .

petra1:


What makes offering acceptable and tithes not acceptable. Both had been principles in Gods kingdom .

sir, if u knw all the precepts of tithing, u wil understand. my point. try and knw it first

enilove:


Why would they make mention of an issue that is generally accepted . Are the apostles makers of laws? They follow the laws and the teachings of our Lord Jesus.

If there was need not to pay tithes, they would have mentioned it like the issue of circumcision.

Beautiful . It is as simple as that. I asked them about incest . They all agreed it is wrong to marry your siblings . But the New Testament never said anything about it. Should we practice incest because it was not a topic in the epistles .Non of them were able to honestly answer .

lonikit:


sir, if u knw all the precepts of tithing, u wil understand. my point. try and knw it first

You've said nothing. Explain yourself

petra1:


You've said nothing. Explain yourself

there are lot to explain abt tithing. tithing is like every other mosaic laws. its totally meant for levite for a specific reason, not to be done in monetary form, must be shared among for groups, not done every week.etc. goin by these and other factors, tithing is not valid in this era

lonikit:

there are lot to explain abt tithing. tithing is like every other mosaic laws.

Offering was in the mosaic law also . Giving to the poor was in the mosaic law also .

its totally meant for levite for a specific reason,

Sure who were Levites . They were full Time ministers in Gods house .jesus instructed same principle to be applied in church

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? [b]Even so hath the Lord ordained [/b]that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

not to be done in monetary form, must be shared among for groups

Money was given in tithes and offering . Also those who sell unclean animals were also ordered to give money instead

not done every week.etc. goin by these and other factors, tithing is not valid in this era

It's a choice . If you earn annually ,give annually period . It's your choice . Isreal had yearly harvest because they were farmers by default .

petra1:


Offering was in the mosaic law also . Giving to the poor was in the mosaic law also .



Sure who were Levites . They were full Time ministers in Gods house .jesus instructed same principle to be applied in church

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? [b]Even so hath the Lord ordained [/b]that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.




Money was given in tithes and offering . Also those who sell unclean animals were also ordered to give money instead



It's a choice . If you earn annually ,give annually period . It's your choice . Isreal had yearly harvest because they were farmers by default .

pls show me where tithe was done in monetary form. God even instructed them that wen they converted food item to money in some cases for some reasons, they must use the money to stil buy food and eat.

tithe is for four groups of pple. widow, stranger, orphan and levite.

goin by the qualification of a levite. I dont tink any pastor be it full or part equate a levite

lonikit:

pls show me where tithe was done in monetary form

It's not every crop or animal that was accepted . Unclean plant ,perishable crops and unclean animals were not accepted as tithes and offering. How does a dog seller,horse seller ,give their tithes and offering . They pay for them with cash .

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Leviticus 27:27
27 If it be of an unclean animal, the owner may redeem it according to your valuation, and shall add a fifth to it; or if it is not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to your valuation.

Money was already introduced into the system

Luke 18:12 (TLB)
I go without food twice a week, and I give to God a tenth of everything I earn.'

Luke 18:12 (AMP)
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

God even instructed them that wen they converted food item to money in some cases for some reasons, they must use the money to stil buy food and eat.tithe is for four groups of pple. widow, stranger, orphan and levite.

That's a different one . There's a tithe to God , there was another 10% for the poor every 3 years and another 10% for feast . These are different from the 10% given to God for the workers of the house of God , the tithe for the fears cold be sold and the money used to buy food . That's like a love feast or campmeeting . It's not the one gyou gen to God

goin by the qualification of a levite. I dont tink any pastor be it full or part equate a levite

Was Melchizedek a Levites ? Tithe existed long before levitical order. The only qualiducation is because they were full time ministers .

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

If people could give offering in cash , They could give tithes in cash as well

petra1:


It's not every crop or animal that was accepted . Unclean plant ,perishable crops and unclean animals were not accepted as tithes and offering. How does a dog seller,horse seller ,give their tithes and offering . They pay for them with cash .

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Leviticus 27:27
27 If it be of an unclean animal, the owner may redeem it according to your valuation, and shall add a fifth to it; or if it is not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to your valuation.

Money was already introduced into the system

Luke 18:12 (TLB)
I go without food twice a week, and I give to God a tenth of everything I earn.'

Luke 18:12 (AMP)
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.



That's a different one . There's a tithe to God , there was another 10% for the poor every 3 years and another 10% for feast . These are different from the 10% given to God for the workers of the house of God , the tithe for the fears cold be sold and the money used to buy food . That's like a love feast or campmeeting . It's not the one gyou gen to God



Was Melchizedek a Levites ? Tithe existed long before levitical order. The only qualiducation is because they were full time ministers .

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

If people could give offering in cash , They could give tithes in cash as well

tithe was never done in monetary form in the bible but offering was done in such form many a times.

besides, the portion u quoted in Luke was purely talking abt the Pharisees and not christians

lonikit:


tithe was never done in monetary form in the bible but offering was done in such form many a times.

How do you think a dog seller, horse seller or rearer give tithes .

Also What do you understand by redemption of tithe .

besides, the portion u quoted in Luke was purely talking abt the Pharisees and not christians

He just showed you how the tithing was done

petra1:


How do you think a dog seller, horse seller or rearer give tithes .

Also What do you understand by redemption of tithe .



He just showed you how the tithing was done

they tithe with the tenth of wht dey do or they covert it to money to buy food. tithe is purely food item for the levite to survive on since they lack inheritance. in Malachi he even say "that there might be food in my house" money is not the option according to every precept of tithing.
redemption of tithing or not,money wasn't the instruction. don't let us add to the scripture

besides, will you agree with me that majority of our pastors be it full or part time are either retired civil servant or business owners. they have their houses, some have wives that are stil working. tell me if these are the qualifications of levites

lonikit:

they tithe with the tenth of wht dey do or they covert it to money to buy food.

Wrong . That not the tithe to God . There were 3 different tithes . The one to God is different . That one is given in Gods house .


Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized .

tithe is purely food item for the levite to survive on since they lack inheritance. in Malachi he even say "that there might be food in my house" money is not the option according to every precept of tithing.

Money was allowed . I showed you already

besides, we you agree with me that majority of our pastors be it full or part time are either retired civil servant or business owners. they have their houses, some have wives that are stil working. tell me if these are the qualifications of levites

Over 90% of pastors don't get support from church because they have their jobs or business . Except a pastor is on full time .

petra1:


Wrong . That not the tithe to God . There were 3 different tithes . The one to God is different . That one is given in Gods house .


Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized .




Money was allowed . I showed you already



Over 90% of pastors don't get support from church because they have their jobs or business . Except a pastor is on full time .

I dont believe this ur classification of tithing sir. but that is not the issue nw.

now if u say we tithe inline with Melchizedek. but Paul says "since priest has change, there is need for change in law too"

I ask again, if tithe is for the levite to eat. the essence is for them to eat bcus of the only reason which is that, they dont av any inheritance in isreal. infact david reduce their work at a time. so tel me objectively, is there any pastor that equate a levite. bcus Paul even advice that pastors shud not live on their followers.

and besides, why was it not recorded that the apostles tithe

lonikit:


I dont believe this ur classification of tithing sir. but that is not the issue nw.

I quoted the .Read the Bible for yourself .except you just want to refuse the truth

now if u say we tithe inline with Melchizedek. but Paul says "since priest has change, there is need for change in law too"

We are not under levitical priesthood . Christ is our highpriest now in the order of Melchizedek whom Abraham tithed to.

I ask again, if tithe is for the levite to eat. the essence is for them to eat bcus of the only reason which is that, they dont av any inheritance in isreal. infact david reduce their work at a time. so tel me objectively, is there any pastor that equate a levite. bcus Paul even advice that pastors shud not live on their followers.

and besides, why was it not recorded that the apostles tithe

Firstly tithe is given to God and not the pastor . But from the tithe , those who work full time in Gods house are paid . Staff ,officials , gate man and some pastors . Mind you over 90% of pastors are civil servant ,lecturers ,bankers And oil workers . They don't collect salary from church . They are lay pastors . Try find out. It's Nairaland here that lies are told . In CEC ,redeemed ,deeper life ,winners . Ask how ,any pastors are paid ? Even the one that are paid how much ?

But the principle still applied . Pastors who are fully in ministry should be paid .

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

petra1:


I quoted the .Read the Bible for yourself .except you just want to refuse the truth



We are not under levitical priesthood . Christ is our highpriest now in the order of Melchizedek whom Abraham tithed to.




Firstly tithe is given to God and not the pastor . But from the tithe , those who work full time in Gods house are paid . Staff ,officials , gate man and some pastors . Mind you over 90% of pastors are civil servant ,lecturers ,bankers And oil workers . They don't collect salary from church . They are lay pastors . Try find out. It's Nairaland here that lies are told . In CEC ,redeemed ,deeper life ,winners . Ask how ,any pastors are paid ? Even the one that are paid how much ?

But the principle still applied . Pastors who are fully in ministry should be paid .

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

pastors who are fully in the ministry shud be paid hw can u trace this to the bible?? was paul, peter or any of the apostles paid they only received offering according to the ability of their follower and not tithe. i repeat again, tithe is meant for the levite to eat bcus they hav no inheritance, no house of themselves, no business of themselves, no farm or anytin aside working as priest. infact later in the bible , david stopped them from doin certain temple work. tithe is never instructed to be done in monetary form.

most of these pastors are retired civil servants, they own businesses, their wives are working, their children are working, they av houses. they dont equate levites as far as qualification is concerned hence, not qualified to take tithe but offering is allowed bcus paul and other apostles of the new testament received it.
according to paul Jesus is the surety for better covenant. there is need to change the law which I tink tithe is among

hakimi1974:
otemsapien, come and see this one ooo.... what sayest thou?

This one is even small. See what the descendants of the sheeple of our time will say in the future

Doctofus: Brainites 25:16-20


16. Our ancestors continued to worship in the
temples of your ancestors who promised them
riches and paradise while scaring them with the
eternal punishment of hell fire and the
imminence of the rapture.
17. Our ancestors feared for their lives and
foolishly accepted the lordship of your ancestors
over them.
18. But now not anymore. For the rapture which
your ancestors claimed to have seen its vision
did not happen, even till these days.
19. And the riches which your forefathers
promised to our forefathers by the payment of
their income to the treasure houses of the
temples did not come to pass.
20. For if our great grandparents had been rich
through giving of one-tenth of income and
additional money to your great grandparents, we
would not have remained poor this way.

.

lonikit:


pastors who are fully in the ministry shud be paid hw can u trace this to the bible??

Read 1cor 9:14-15

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

.1 Timothy 5:17 (KJV)
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

was paul, peter or any of the apostles paid

Yes , except in Corinth because they had many nairalanders in that church .

they only received offering according to the ability of their follower and not tithe.

Why only offering only you can’t separate them . Both tithe and offering God ordained for ministers . Besides was offering not under the law ?

i repeat again, tithe is meant for the levite to eat bcus they hav no inheritance, no house of themselves, no business of themselves, no farm or anytin aside working as priest. infact later in the bible , david stopped them from doin certain temple work. tithe is never instructed to be done in monetary form.

No need to go round and round . I never said otherwise . It’s not because of their name but because they were ministers . They represent full time ministers . Melchizedek was not a Levite .

most of these pastors are retired civil servants, they own businesses, their wives are working, their children are working, they av houses.

Pastors who have a job are not entitled to support , they rather sponsor the. Church work from those in one . Some of them single handedly pay for venue and buy equipment for the church . Theres cec Lady pastor in Ikirun who works with UN . She paid for the hall the church is using . And planing to buy it for the church . They are just about 25 members . Mostly women and some youths . How much are they giving as tithe . It doesn’t even cover the expenses of hiring generator and chairs . Some of you will repent when you get to heaven and realize how much you have wrongly insulted the sacrifice of ministers

they dont equate levites as far as qualification is concerned hence

Qualification is full time Ministry

not qualified to take tithe but offering is allowed bcus paul and other apostles of the new testament received it.

Wrong . Offering and tithes are not given to Man but to God .

according to paul Jesus is the surety for better covenant. there is need to change the law which I tink tithe is among

Offering is among the law also .

petra1:

......
Money was already introduced into the system
......
Was Melchizedek a Levites ? Tithe existed long before levitical order. The only qualiducation is because they were full time ministers .
.......
If people could give offering in cash , They could give tithes in cash as well

Petra1, You're REFINING your tithes doctrine. Very soon you'll arrive at your destination.

Tithing under the Law was a COMMAND by God. It was NOT voluntary.

Its purpose was CLEARLY stated; it was for the Levites because they had NO LAND inheritance in Israel.
Numbers 18:25-28

Now, if you're to apply this to the Church, like you're struggling to do, how does any of these line up in the Church?

The pre-law reference to tithe - Abram's tithe to Melchizedek - was descriptive. Nothing there says Abraham was OBLIGED to give it. He gave voluntarily. He chose to give. Nothing there says there was a "principle" that Abraham was responding to. Abraham gave AFTER the blessings were pronounced on him and NOT because he wanted the blessings.

So, again, if you're to apply this to the Church how do these line up with your push for tithing for the Christian today?

That a thing EXISTED LONG BEFORE our time does not make it APPLICABLE to our time. Circumcision was before the Law and included in the Law but when it came to the Church IT IS NO LONGER binding nor a condition for identification with God.

The Holy Spirit's decision in Acts 15 is clear that the Christian is not bound to tithing. 2 Corinthians 9: 7 then DIRECTS how the Christian is to give. To disregard these, along with instances of how christians gave in the New Testament, and continue to INSIST on the validity of mandatory tithing for the Christian is not only a hardening of the heart but an expedition into ERROR.

How come INSTANCES AFTER INSTANCES of how Christians gave in the New Testament NEVER ONCE mentioned tithing? And these instances covered DECADES of church life!

Today's tithers have simply designed their own system for fund raising and have used tithe as their name for it.

In order to make the BAZAAR more attractive the promises of financial blessings, promotion, health and wealth have been sprinkled on it.

The Christian is to freely decided how much to give. It is the motive that matters. Even when he gives a mite and his motive is right it is acceptable to God.
If any Christian tithes for the wrong reason or with a wrong motive it will be counted as ZERO by God.

Unless the Christian does things God's way it will not be accepted by God. No Christian has a right to choose how to worship God. It MUST be done God's way. And Jesus said that the worship of God (part of which giving is) must be motivated by the Holy Spirit and in line with biblical directive. The biblical directive for the Church is clear. Any other thing is tithers' razmataz.

All these tithe brouhaha are all in the quest of men squandering there 10%. No wonder Christ likened Mammon to God. it's a pity.

petra1:


Beautiful . It is as simple as that. I asked them about incest . They all agreed it is wrong to marry your siblings . But the New Testament never said anything about it. Should we practice incest because it was not a topic in the epistles .Non of them were able to honestly answer .

Why are you lying? Which new testament never said anything about incent..? What's wrong with you? Don't you know incent is fornication and the bible people of those days understand such?

Goshen360:


Why are you lying? Which new testament never said anything about incent..? What's wrong with you? Don't you know incent is fornication and the bible people of those days understand such?

why all the unnecessary strong languge . you get so carried away like a little child when you feel you have scored a point out of many misses.

the bible clearly distinguish fornication from incest. Every sincere person should know my point. can a christian marry his or her sibling?

petra1:


why all the unnecessary strong languge . you get so carried away like a little child when you feel you have scored a point out of many misses.

the bible clearly distinguish fornication from incest. Every sincere person should know my point. can a christian marry is sibling?

You are not making ANY point. I made a BOLD STATEMENT against your comments so pick up your concordance and study fornication. You will know fornication is an INCLUSIVE word just like many words of the bible ARE INCLUSIVE WORDS. Stop spreading lies because you want to defend tithe. It's a wrong statement just like MANY OTHERS you've been saying that incent is not taught or mentioned in the new testament, that's what I'm opposing that statement.