Rebuke:




Wake up from yhur ignorance Mr. Freeman.

A wise man knows there is a life after death...the Jesus yhu hate today will judge yhu then and it will b too late.....if yhu don't make an amendment now.

Wake, wake up, wake up man! No hiding place.

ok man, so how bout d indians whose religion is Hinduism? how bout China's Buddhism? n d Greek Olympus? all these are different religion that doesn't recognize ur jesus so u think ur jesus will also judge them n send them to hell 4 havin a different ideology? mad man stop being a madman. only mentally derailed pple beliv in ur jesus. accept science today n be saved from ignorance

OkCornel:


1) What were the items God specifically mentioned to be tithed in the Bible?

2) Did you realize that in the context of Matthew 23 v 23;

(a) Jesus had not fulfilled the law...hence it was still obligatory on the Children of Israel. Jesus still had respect for the law and that was why he instructed the lepers to be cleansed in line with the requirements of the Mosaic law even after He healed them. Now that Jesus has fulfilled the Law...is tithing still obligatory on Christians?

(b) Just to follow up on point 2a above...when the Law was fulfilled...Peter and John did not instruct the infirmed man at the beautiful gate to cleanse himself in line with the Mosaic law after he was healed...or did they instruct him?

(c) If the seal of the old covenant (which includes tithing, animal sacrifice e.t.c) was by physical circumcision which Paul preached that it was no longer a binding requirement to be a Christian...why are Pastorpreneurs cherry picking the false doctrine of obligatory monetary tithing to preach...is this about mammon or God?

Simply brilliant

Please op, explain Deuteronomy 14:22-26 and I will be convinced to pay.

room089:



Sweet brother this is an expensive joke o!

All the same, may God have mercy on you.

I will be praying for you to reveal Himself to you.

lol, I understand u bro. I was once like u b4 I freed myself from it all. jesus is not real, u r being fooled by roman indoctrination, the church is the oldest form of govt through which popes governed the world with n exploit money from pple. xtianity was spread by ancient roman missionarys while islam was spread by the middle east Arabs. Africa true religion is the customs n traditions of ancient Africans. jesus, moses, paul, peter etc are jewish names n have no business with African men or u are not aware that these missionaries who brought xtianity to africa are thesame pple that put Africans in chains? are u aware that ur bible support slavery of other pple in other nations but not isrealites?or are u an isreali? fela kuti described Islam n xtianity as money making organizations. I set u free from havin an imaginary friend n imaginary enemy
I set u free from waiting for an imaginary dead jewish character who was reported to hav died 4 over 2000yrs ago. now if u still wait 4 d return of this jew in this 21st century then u are just a mentally derailed man that needs to be saved. set urself free, n view the world from ur own idea not man made idea. jesus or whatever r man made ideas, accept science n get close to mother nature, u will find urself in another free world. you do not need to b saved from anything bro, u are being lied to. save ur money if u know u work hard 4 it. thanks

room089:



Sweet brother this is an expensive joke o!

All the same, may God have mercy on you.

I will be praying for you to reveal Himself to you.

lol, I understand u bro. I was once like u b4 I freed myself from it all. jesus is not real, u r being fooled by roman indoctrination, the church is the oldest form of govt through which popes governed the world with n exploit money from pple. xtianity was spread by ancient roman missionarys while islam was spread by the middle east Arabs. Africa true religion is the customs n traditions of ancient Africans. jesus, moses, paul, peter etc are jewish names n have no business with African men or u are not aware that these missionaries who brought xtianity to africa are thesame pple that put Africans in chains? are u aware that ur bible support slavery of other pple in other nations but not isrealites?or are u an isreali? fela kuti described Islam n xtianity as money making organizations. I set u free from havin an imaginary friend n imaginary enemy
I set u free from waiting for an imaginary dead jewish character who was reported to hav died 4 over 2000yrs ago. now if u still wait 4 d return of this jew in this 21st century then u are just a mentally derailed man that needs to be saved. set urself free, n view the world from ur own idea not man made idea. jesus or whatever r man made ideas, accept science n get close to mother nature, u will find urself in another free world. you do not need to b saved from anything bro, u are being lied to. save ur money if u know u work hard 4 it. thanks

eyinjuege:


Does it mean only farmers (both crop and animal farmers) should pay tithes?
Are lawyerss, drs , laborers etc and others who are paid their wages in cash exempted from tithes?
Its even better if you say you dont believe in tithes than to say monetary tithes is wrong and only certain products should be given as tithes.
I understand the sentiments against some of the pastors, but we shouldnt get things twisted to do that.
Hope you also know that Daddy freeze justifies living together between unmarried couples provided they're bethrothed forgetting that being bethrothed in Jewish customs is same as our traditional marriages/brideprice payment in our culture. Yet he wants to justify people living together without doing at least the traditional.
I'm not even against those living together unmarried because it makes life easier for some. However, it doesnt mean i will justify it with religion.

If you do a thorough research of Jewish History...not everyone is eligible to pay tithes e.g. fishermen etc.

I'm no longer arguing based on Bible alone...do a thorough research on Jewish history and you'll understand how people have been deceived on this false doctrine of monetary tithing.

Breaking news: I don't give a damn about Freeze...there are certain things he has posted on social media recently which I do not agree to e.g. Majek Fashek on the church stage.
But on this tithe issue, he's spot on.

Like I mentioned earlier, do a thorough research on Jewish history and tithing...get information from various sources to corroborate your findings.

Cheers.

Rubbish campaign.

lookingfly:
Please op, explain Deuteronomy 14:22-26 and I will be convinced to pay.

By the mouth 2 or 3 witnesses, every word shall be established.

Give me atleast 3 Scriptures saying the same thing.

gGGODDd:
ok man, so how bout d indians whose religion is Hinduism? how bout China's Buddhism? n d Greek Olympus? all these are different religion that doesn't recognize ur jesus so u think ur jesus will also judge them n send them to hell 4 havin a different ideology? mad man stop being a madman. only mentally derailed pple beliv in ur jesus. accept science today n be saved from ignorance

My bro... I must be sincere with you, if there's something I admire about you...it's your honesty and open mindedness.

I was at this stage of mental evolution before what I am currently. You are maturing just fine (I don't mean this sarcastically). You have left the confusion that comes with religion to seek and understand what the TRUTH is.

I have studied the major religions in the world, and there is just one simple thing they all try to explain from different view points...and that thing is TRUTH.

The TRUTH is like a symbol where you see 6 and I see 9, but conflicts usually arise because we see the same thing from different view points.

The only thing I disagree with you though is where you mentioned Jesus is not real. I'm not worried though...for someone like you who is open minded in seeking the TRUTH...the passage of time would make certain things much clearer to you...

OkaiCorne:


My bro... I must be sincere with you, if there's something I admire about you...it's your honesty and open mindedness.

I was at this stage of mental evolution before what I am currently. You are maturing just fine (I don't mean this sarcastically). You have left the confusion that comes with religion to seek and understand what the TRUTH is.

I have studied the major religions in the world, and there is just one simple thing they all try to explain from different view points...and that thing is TRUTH.

The TRUTH is like a symbol where you see 6 and I see 9, but conflicts usually arise because we see the same thing from different view points.

The only thing I disagree with you though is where you mentioned Jesus is not real. I'm not worried though...for someone like you who is open minded in seeking the TRUTH...the passage of time would make certain things much clearer to you...

you're stil a victim of roman delusion. xtianity was brought by ancient British missionaries. these same missionaries enslaved africans n sexually molested African children. wake up black man, ur ancestors are Africans not isrealites.

Martinez19:
If you can be happy to call yourself a sheeple, then you are an idiot.

How can someone be proud to call oneself a sheeple? Do you know what that means?

"Religion dulls the senses and I agree."
- Bobby Fischer.

Any Christian indeed who knows what the Bible says will be proud to be called a SHEEP, it is not an insult, it is actually what it takes to follow Christ. Sheep are not people who lack intelligence but those who will submit it to the will of God and walk in Faith. Christianity is all about faith, because the Foolishness of God is still wiser than the highest wisdom of men. Well most people won't UNDERSTAND, because DEEP caller to Deep... but I would rather be a SHEEP to Christ than a GOAT.

Proudly SHEEP!!!

gGGODDd:
you're stil a victim of roman delusion. xtianity was brought by ancient British missionaries. these same missionaries enslaved africans n sexually molested African children. wake up black man, ur ancestors are Africans not isrealites.

Nah...I'm a victim of nothing.

How did you conclude that Jesus is not real? Is Bhudda also fake? what of Confucius? are these men fake too?

How about Mohammed?

OkaiCorne:


Nah...I'm a victim of nothing.

How did you conclude that Jesus is not real? Is Bhudda also fake? what of Confucius? are these men fake too?

How about Mohammed?

yes. all fake, pple just hate on themselves n kill for no reason. religion will only plant hatred in u against ur fellow man who has a different opinion.

gGGODDd:
yes. all fake, pple just hate on themselves n kill for no reason. religion will only plant hatred in u against ur fellow man who has a different opinion.

Did you do a thorough research on history and archaeology to arrive at this conclusion?

Would you like to share your sources with me?

Who knows...2000 years later, someone might come up and say I never existed or I am fake

Your last sentence brings us to the same conclusion. Religion is confusion. Open your mind and seek the TRUTH...

Zanas:
I am proudly a sheep #ProudSheep #LeaveUsTheSheeple

THE BOOK OF JOHN chapter 10

10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Like John 10:5 said, Freeze and co. Are the voice of strangers and I can't follow them because I don't know their voice. I know the voice of my Shepherd and It is Him I will follow

Anybody following the voice of the strangers are not real Christians, they belong to the WOKE generation, but Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever... We're not moved by every wind of doctrines... Times will change, but His Statues remains forever.

Y are pple committing suicide over tithe? Is it your money that the tither is using to tithe?

All those against tithing free yourselves from ignorance n bitterness of your soul.

If you dont understand a doctrine seek counsel. Not talking balderash n making a fool of yourself.

I'm a tither. God has done even more for me. God always proves himself n opens the windows of heaven over my own store house.....Just because I gave 1/10, I have d key to ask for a hundreth n a thousand fold of blessings n I get them complete.

Tithing is different from alms and free Will offering. Don't allow yourself to be deceived.

gGGODDd:
yes. all fake, pple just hate on themselves n kill for no reason. religion will only plant hatred in u against ur fellow man who has a different opinion.

Christianity always preaches love even to your enemies. Even Christ said he himself came for the sinners.

Open your eyes n see that which you r denying yourself.

danvon:
#Don'tfreethesheeples# / #Savethemfromthewolves#

I will not be free in Jesus name. Which kain freedom be that? Freedom from christ? Those who wants to be free can be free, the wolves are waiting for you outside.

DonaTee:


Christianity always preaches love even to your enemies. Even Christ said he himself came for the sinners.

Open your eyes n see that which you r denying yourself.

Unfortunately...he thinks Jesus is fake, especially due to the fact that it was the white men that brought Jesus to Africa...

the guy needs to do some research mehn...Christianity was prevalent in Ethiopia, Egypt and Mauritania before 60AD sef...

EPAINYOU:


My brother you are very very ignorant not knowing/understanding the scripture. Point out the lies and I will show you how you go against the scripture.



This is where I got it, prove me wrong.

Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
You err not knowing the scripture. Tell me if God told them to follow moses according to his(Moses') own way, ie the way of a man?


It is stopping a lot of people from helping their neighbour. A friend of mine told me he would give to the church than help me. We are not talking about petty petty help after paying your tithe. if you want to put God first, then the least of his brothers must be the first cos that is how Christians give to God. Christ is God, God first, give the least of his brothers(Christ) first.



My brother get understanding what tithe is, you need am. If you want to follow Christ don't use mago mago to play with his words. He encouraged you to pay tithe of mint, dill, not MONEY. Anything outside what he encouraged you to pay is YOU(or anybody) trying to be deceitful and desperately wicked because of money, Jeremiah 17:9.

In all these, don't tell me what you think you know, prove me wrong from the scripture as I have prove your understanding wrong.

LIE NUMBER 1: You said we are not supposed to follow man, but I have proven it to you in my first response including with 1Corinthians 11:1 where Apostle Paul himself wrote and said "Follow me as I follow Christ". So you have lied by claiming the bible said we should not follow man. The only thing bible said was we should not worship man.

LIE NUMBER 2: You said Jesus only said it's mint and dill they should pay as tithes, not money. That is a FAT lie. No where in Matthew 23:23 did Jesus ever make such statement. What he clearly told them was that they pay tithes of mint, and dill which he said they OUGHT TO DO, but they neglect the weightier matters of the law like mercy, justice and faith. He then told them that they ought to do one and not leave the others undone.

For you to look at that scripture and imagine that Jesus said it is only mint and dill they should pay tithes on and not money means you don't understand the correlation among VALUE - MONEY - CURRENCY. Go and study these three things and you will know that anything that has economic value is MONEY! You think currency means money, and that is your problem. Those pharisees were farmers in their days and those farm produce Jesus mentioned were what gave them money. The concept of currency such as "Naira" or "Dollar" has evolved from generation to generation, but money as a concept has not changed. In the days of trade by barter when there was no currency available in Nigeria, money was whatever you had that you could exchange for another thing of value to you. So to clear your eyes, mint and dill were forms of money in those days!

God did not say bring tithes of farm produce into my storehouse. He said "bring tithes of your income". So if you are a farmer, you know what your income is, and you bring it. if you're a tailor, you know what your income is, and you bring it, if you're a banker, you know what your income is too and you bring it. just bring 10% of whatever your income is, and that is tithe. If you are a farmer and you want to be carrying 10% of your crop produce to God's house as tithe instead of giving the currency equivalent of their value, it's up to you, but just bring 10% to God's house!

3) LIE NUMBER 3: You said that it is because people pay tithe and that is why they can't help the poor or needy. That is another fat lie, because anybody that wants to help you and can afford to help you will help you whether they pay tithe or not. I gave you example with myself. I just checked it again and realised I have sent money to 11 people within the last 2 weeks, and I still pay my tithe unfailingly. There are some people that have been calling me for help, and I still have not sent money to them because I don't have enough to go round to everybody at the same time, and guess what? even if I didn't pay tithe and decided to use my tithe money to add to what I will give people needing my financial help, IT WILL STILL NOT BE ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THEM AT ONCE! So why won't I just respect myself and give God his own first?
I don't owe anybody help, but I owe my life and money to God, so I will give God his own first and use the rest for the needy and for myself.

Also, you sound very much like Judas Iscariot who got angry when he saw Mary Magdalene bring a very expensive perfume that the bible said its value was worth a year's salary and she poured it on Jesus' feet. Judas got angry and said that why should she do such a thing when that perfume could have been sold and the money used to help the poor. Jesus rebuked Judas and told him to let her be, for "the poor you will always have among you". Why didn't Jesus agree to Judas' idea and tell Mary not to do that kind of thing again?

You that doesn't pay tithe, how many poor have you helped? You know the truth is that your problem with tithe is GREED! Even if you have 10 billion dollars today, you will still not use 9 billion to help the poor!
The Judas that was sharing the same idea of giving money spent on God to the poor, how did he end up?

For the tithe freaks screaming... a simple search on "Tithes in Judaism" on Wikipedia would clear a lot of confusion on this. Wikipedia drew it sources on tithes from various Jewish Literatures such as the Torah

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.

Terumah (Heave-offering)
The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation).

First tithe
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim.

The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests.

Second tithe

Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within the tabernacle, the second tithe could be consumed anywhere within the Walls of Jerusalem. On years one, two, four and five of the Shemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of the Temple (Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem, after separating Terumah and the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption.

Poor man's tithe

In years three and six of the Shemittah-cycle the Israelites set aside the (second) tithe instead as the poor tithe, and it was given to the strangers, orphans, and widows.

Terumat maaser

Terumat hamaaser was given by the Levite to the Kohen, and was one-tenth of what the Levite had received of the First-tithe. It is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible under the words, "a tithe (tenth) of the tithe" (Numbers 18:26). It, too, was considered Terumah, and was eaten by priests in a state of ritual cleanness. Today, the Terumat maaser is discarded because of general uncleanness, just as the Terumah is now discarded.

Demai

Demai (Mishnaic Hebrew: דמאי) is a Halakhic term meaning "dubious," referring to agricultural produce, the owner of which was not trusted with regard to the correct separation of the tithes assigned to the Levites, although the terumah (the part designated unto priests) was believed to have been separated from such fruits. In such "dubious" cases, all that was necessary was to separate the one-tenth portion due to the priests from the First Tithe given to the Levites, being the 1/100th part of the whole. The Second Tithe is also removed (redeemed) from the fruit in such cases of doubt.

Places that require tithing
The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew.

Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing.

Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.





HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM

Edelweiss44:



LIE NUMBER 1: You said we are not supposed to follow man, but I have proven it to you in my first response including with 1Corinthians 11:1 where Apostle Paul himself wrote and said "Follow me as I follow Christ". So you have lied by claiming the bible said we should not follow man. The only thing bible said was we should not worship man.

LIE NUMBER 2: You said Jesus only said it's mint and dill they should pay as tithes, not money. That is a FAT lie. No where in Matthew 23:23 did Jesus ever make such statement. What he clearly told them was that they pay tithes of mint, and dill which he said they OUGHT TO DO, but they neglect the weightier matters of the law like mercy, justice and faith. He then told them that they ought to do one and not leave the others undone.

For you to look at that scripture and imagine that Jesus said it is only mint and dill they should pay tithes on and not money means you don't understand the correlation among VALUE - MONEY - CURRENCY. Go and study these three things and you will know that anything that has economic value is MONEY! You think currency means money, and that is your problem. Those pharisees were farmers in their days and those farm produce Jesus mentioned were what gave them money. The concept of currency such as "Naira" or "Dollar" has evolved from generation to generation, but money as a concept has not changed. In the days of trade by barter when there was no currency available in Nigeria, money was whatever you had that you could exchange for another thing of value to you. So to clear your eyes, mint and dill were forms of money in those days!

God did not say bring tithes of farm produce into my storehouse. He said "bring tithes of your income". So if you are a farmer, you know what your income is, and you bring it. if you're a tailor, you know what your income is, and you bring it, if you're a banker, you know what your income is too and you bring it. just bring 10% of whatever your income is, and that is tithe. If you are a farmer and you want to be carrying 10% of your crop produce to God's house as tithe instead of giving the currency equivalent of their value, it's up to you, but just bring 10% to God's house!

3) LIE NUMBER 3: You said that it is because people pay tithe and that is why they can't help the poor or needy. That is another fat lie, because anybody that wants to help you and can afford to help you will help you whether they pay tithe or not. I gave you example with myself. I just checked it again and realised I have sent money to 11 people within the last 2 weeks, and I still pay my tithe unfailingly. There are some people that have been calling me for help, and I still have not sent money to them because I don't have enough to go round to everybody at the same time, and guess what? even if I didn't pay tithe and decided to use my tithe money to add to what I will give people needing my financial help, IT WILL STILL NOT BE ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THEM AT ONCE! So why won't I just respect myself and give God his own first?
I don't owe anybody help, but I owe my life and money to God, so I will give God his own first and use the rest for the needy and for myself.

Also, you sound very much like Judas Iscariot who got angry when he saw Mary Magdalene bring a very expensive perfume that the bible said its value was worth a year's salary and she poured it on Jesus' feet. Judas got angry and said that why should she do such a thing when that perfume could have been sold and the money used to help the poor. Jesus rebuked Judas and told him to let her be, for "the poor you will always have among you". Why didn't Jesus agree to Judas' idea and tell Mary not to do that kind of thing again?

You that doesn't pay tithe, how many poor have you helped? You know the truth is that your problem with tithe is GREED! Even if you have 10 billion dollars today, you will still not use 9 billion to help the poor!
The Judas that was sharing the same idea of giving money spent on God to the poor, how did he end up?

One question...if tithes were to be paid in form of money...why didn't this start in the glorious era of Solomon when gold and silver was abundant?

If God gave clear instructions on what specifically is to be tithed, please do not add maggi and salt and make it a rule for others to follow..lest you lead many into error and disobedience from God's instruction.

Cheers.

emusmithy:


By the mouth 2 or 3 witnesses, every word shall be established.

Give me atleast 3 Scriptures saying the same thing.

why don't you give me other three scriptures that backed up Malachi 3:10

lookingfly:
why don't you give me other three scriptures that backed up Malachi 3:10

You know nothing about the matter.

Stop typing. Tithing is not compulsory but you're making "senseless typing" look so easy and stressless.

Edelweiss44:



LIE NUMBER 1: You said we are not supposed to follow man, but I have proven it to you in my first response including with 1Corinthians 11:1 where Apostle Paul himself wrote and said "Follow me as I follow Christ". So you have lied by claiming the bible said we should not follow man. The only thing bible said was we should not worship man.

LIE NUMBER 2: You said Jesus only said it's mint and dill they should pay as tithes, not money. That is a FAT lie. No where in Matthew 23:23 did Jesus ever make such statement. What he clearly told them was that they pay tithes of mint, and dill which he said they OUGHT TO DO, but they neglect the weightier matters of the law like mercy, justice and faith. He then told them that they ought to do one and not leave the others undone.

For you to look at that scripture and imagine that Jesus said it is only mint and dill they should pay tithes on and not money means you don't understand the correlation among VALUE - MONEY - CURRENCY. Go and study these three things and you will know that anything that has economic value is MONEY! You think currency means money, and that is your problem. Those pharisees were farmers in their days and those farm produce Jesus mentioned were what gave them money. The concept of currency such as "Naira" or "Dollar" has evolved from generation to generation, but money as a concept has not changed. In the days of trade by barter when there was no currency available in Nigeria, money was whatever you had that you could exchange for another thing of value to you. So to clear your eyes, mint and dill were forms of money in those days!

God did not say bring tithes of farm produce into my storehouse. He said "bring tithes of your income". So if you are a farmer, you know what your income is, and you bring it. if you're a tailor, you know what your income is, and you bring it, if you're a banker, you know what your income is too and you bring it. just bring 10% of whatever your income is, and that is tithe. If you are a farmer and you want to be carrying 10% of your crop produce to God's house as tithe instead of giving the currency equivalent of their value, it's up to you, but just bring 10% to God's house!

3) LIE NUMBER 3: You said that it is because people pay tithe and that is why they can't help the poor or needy. That is another fat lie, because anybody that wants to help you and can afford to help you will help you whether they pay tithe or not. I gave you example with myself. I just checked it again and realised I have sent money to 11 people within the last 2 weeks, and I still pay my tithe unfailingly. There are some people that have been calling me for help, and I still have not sent money to them because I don't have enough to go round to everybody at the same time, and guess what? even if I didn't pay tithe and decided to use my tithe money to add to what I will give people needing my financial help, IT WILL STILL NOT BE ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THEM AT ONCE! So why won't I just respect myself and give God his own first?
I don't owe anybody help, but I owe my life and money to God, so I will give God his own first and use the rest for the needy and for myself.

Also, you sound very much like Judas Iscariot who got angry when he saw Mary Magdalene bring a very expensive perfume that the bible said its value was worth a year's salary and she poured it on Jesus' feet. Judas got angry and said that why should she do such a thing when that perfume could have been sold and the money used to help the poor. Jesus rebuked Judas and told him to let her be, for "the poor you will always have among you". Why didn't Jesus agree to Judas' idea and tell Mary not to do that kind of thing again?

You that doesn't pay tithe, how many poor have you helped? You know the truth is that your problem with tithe is GREED! Even if you have 10 billion dollars today, you will still not use 9 billion to help the poor!
The Judas that was sharing the same idea of giving money spent on God to the poor, how did he end up?

God bless you!

But, "The god of this world has blinded their minds..."

I love your post. So lucid and explicit.

emusmithy:


You know nothing about the matter.

Stop typing. Tithing is not compulsory but you're making "senseless typing" look so easy and stressless.

because you don't have other Bible passages to back that portion, you've resorted to insults...... Clear symptoms of someone who has jettisoned his brains and have decided to think with his kidneys......... Why can't you simply back up that verse with other verses?

lookingfly:
because you don't have other Bible passages to back that portion, you've resorted to insults...... Clear symptoms of someone who has jettisoned his brains and have decided to think with his kidneys......... Why can't you simply back up that verse with other verses?

I asked FIRST. Let's be adults here.

If you can't give it to me, forget it.

From the beginning of this thread till here, the answers you need are there staring.
GO BACK AND DEDUCE FOR YOURSELF.

Bye.

dollyjoy:
Continue, keep Tithing, while your pastors drive private jets and live in mansion, you continue to grow slimmer and "hope". Things go better.

you that don't tithe cannot be better than those who tithe.

ridious:
ALHAMDULILAH i am a muslim. i know what ZAKAT (TITHE) means. its taking 2.5% of your earning to empower, enrich poor (less privileged, orphan, widows) and not the so called men of GOD. Give ur tithe directly to the poor or charity organizations around you

onku, go to your section and spew this trash there.... What's your own with the Christian tithe?? Who asked for your opinion about tithes here?? Common gerrarahia!!! Wetin concern light and darkness....

lookingfly:
Please op, explain Deuteronomy 14:22-26 and I will be convinced to pay.

Did you read what he wrote?? If u did, you'd know that he was not out to convince you and your likes to pay.... Rather, u should mind your business and let us tithers mind ours.... Who u EPP?? Abeg shift...

Jesusgirl92:
Did you read what he wrote?? If u did, you'd know that he was not out to convince you and your likes to pay.... Rather, u should mind your business and let us tithers mind ours.... Who u EPP?? Abeg shift...

Babe calm down na...no be fight.

I don't think anyone in their right frame of mind should be against giving unto God's work.

However, my only concern is preaching that tithe is obligatory for Christians and should be paid as money. Infact if we compare what God has defined as tithe against what is done in the church currently... it's actually funny.

I give out of a cheerful heart unto God's work..and 10% doesn't even feel like I've started, but I won't open my mouth to call it tithe.

I'm not against giving... however I don't support this doctrine of monetary tithing.

Please I hope to get a mature reply to this post.

Cheers.