LadyMarionette:


I feel I should repeat myself.......The first time you made the assertion that the debate (for you) was not about taking instruction from nature to determine the roles of men and women (which is what I assumed by your deductions from their biology to proclaim men "born cheats", to make the different deduction of men operating by numbers on a level of inefficiency) I opted not to pursue the debate any further. But when you mentioned me in your response to the OP to state how badly I'd missed the point, I felt compelled to explain how I arrived at the perspective I had chosen to debate. And since then you have stayed on my turf, trying to poke holes in my rationale. So it's fair to say that we have been debating my matter since then, so the argument was no longer irrelevant. You're trying to hide behind the dead argument now because you're not winning this one. At least, by not responding to that post, I showed enough respect for facts to know when my argument does not support the issue in focus.





And here you come again arguing my point which you claim isn't the point in contention. When I stay on this course and you're beat, you begin to claim we are arguing another matter. I'm sure there's something I've said to address this, since we are obviously going around in circles....

Oh, here it is......

"Women provide because men allow it". First I'd like this statement of yours to refute your later claim that women cannot provide due to ridiculous suppositions that they cannot hunt or farm because they do not have speed or strength. Human disadvantages over wildlife and the earth are overcome intellectually by invention. And now I'd like to point out that I said, if men were kept to the required minimum, then there will be no men to "disallow" a woman's quest to provide for herself and her offspring. Menstruation does not confine a woman to her home. That ritual was imposed by men who considered women unclean during her period. With medication and tampons women are up and about and you won't even know about it. A woman who chooses to take time off to be pregnant will naturally be replaced by another woman who isn't pregnant. The same concept adopted by companies when one employee takes a study leave, sick leave or his annual leave.





And here you go again sneaking the first point in contention into the argument. I should reiterate to this.....

The first time you made the assertion that the debate (for you) was not about taking instruction from nature to determine the roles of men and women (which is what I assumed by your deductions from their biology to proclaim men "born cheats", to make the different deduction of men operating by numbers on a level of inefficiency) I opted not to pursue the debate any further. But when you mentioned me in your response to the OP to state how badly I'd missed the point, I felt compelled to explain how I arrived at the perspective I had chosen to debate. And since then you have stayed on my turf, trying to poke holes in my rationale. So it's fair to say that we have been debating my matter since then, so the argument was no longer irrelevant. You're trying to hide behind the dead argument now because you're not winning this one. At least, by not responding to that post, I showed enough respect for facts to know when my argument does not support the issue in focus.


If it were pride I was required to swallow, I would gladly shove it down my throat, just like I showed earlier by letting the earlier matter rest. But on this issue, you cannot expect me to accept an inferior argument without stating what I think of it. And this switching between issues is just ridiculous.
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kense88:
Na use and throway sure pass. They can never accept responsibility of there stupid actions. They will always blame the guys . Boring relationship, whack sex, material reason! What have they done to correct it or spice up the relationship? Nothing. It's always the guys fault.

Safiaaa:
Ubunja you have serious internal issues. I think I've told you before. Sort it out.

ubunja:

when white men first came to africa and saw black people for the first time they also thought "these people have serious internal issues"
you have never met a niggar like ubunja. its OK. keep walking.

kense88:
Then, how many gaps will the said woman fill for you? Is it really worth it, dedicating your whole life to filling a woman's gap. Truth is, most of them are very insatiable.

ubunja:

isnt it funny thou
that the same things u use to show females can atleast survive at work with menstruation, things like tampons are things men made for women.
and go to your google and u will learn men dont even use most holidays and most overtime is by men your google will show u gvts are now planning to force companies to give women paid menstruation leave ha ha ha
the turf u insist on staying on im annihilating u coz im proving how u cant even work nonstop without inventions that are 99% by men.a point u argued coz u just feel like arguing.
can u be self-sufficient and provide for yourself at 8 months pregnancy? or the first few months of giving birth.please.
u mistake the fact that single mothers can raise kids to mean thats true independence.its not
coz women have Social Welfare schemes and gvt grants that are 100X those of men. shelters etc. u are just dependent on Daddy Government. and men pay the most taxes.
now do u see how your turf is also dead in the water?

LadyMarionette:



Most women find it easier to climax through masturbation. Others may have hang-ups over it because masturbation has got a bad rap culturally. Masturbation is age old, and before the variety of toys at a girl's disposal today, the hand would suffice. intimacy gadgets made for women by men egoistically copy the dick. If the real one is not getting it done...... . The first dil.do wasn't even a toy, it was an object/symbol of worship in the old Stone Age before it became a unisex sex gadget. The electric vibrator was designed to induce orgasms in women for medical research. But intimacy gadgets designed by women are shaped and fitted for women's pleasure from the personal perspective of a woman who knows how to get the job done on herself: The Rabbit Habit by Shay Martin; The Nexus by Marilyn Bishara; Blueberry Buzz by Susan Colvin. So women don't depend on men for the design. If they did, they would probably still be caught up in a whorl of sexual frustration.

Women who masturbate get regular orgasms. They don't complain to anyone how difficult it is to flick it good, because it is not. But sexual intimacy is about more than the orgasm. It's about bonding with your partner. And it would be cool if he could save you the trouble of pulling out a "friend" from the drawers after a bout of (supposed) sex. So that's why there's the urge to complain.

"Women provide because men allow it". First I'd like this statement of yours to refute your later claim that women cannot provide due to ridiculous suppositions that they cannot hunt or farm because they do not have speed or strength. Human disadvantages over wildlife and the earth are overcome intellectually by invention. And now I'd like to point out that I said, if men were kept to the required minimum, then there will be no men to "disallow" a woman's quest to provide for herself and her offspring. Menstruation does not confine a woman to her home. That ritual was imposed by men who considered women unclean during her period. With medication and tampons women are up and about and you won't even know about it. A woman who chooses to take time off to be pregnant will naturally be replaced by another woman who isn't pregnant. The same concept adopted by companies when one employee takes a study leave, sick leave or his annual leave.

ubunja:

when white men first came to africa and saw black people for the first time they also thought "these people have serious internal issues"
you have never met a niggar like ubunja. its OK. keep walking.

LadyMarionette:



Here you again addressing the point of self-sufficiency. After a while now you'll claim the argument is about men's natural "advantage" to live a promiscuous life. . To answer your question: No, I don't think it's funny that a man invented what's today considered the sanitary pad. Men have profited of women's needs (as well as their own) in industry. But that guy was born in 1962. Women have not been bleeding over a bowl for all these years. They've had menstrual pads in recorded history as far back as the 10th century. Self constructed from household linen and very sufficient in keeping them mobile throughout the week. That's what people do, they survive their odds by being ingenious.

Lol! Did you consult MY google for that information? The fact that men give more hours at work, does not negate the fact that women can be self sufficient. Like I said, company resource calendars structure only available resources. So if a woman is on pregnancy leave, another employee who isn't pregnant is scheduled for the work. It's a management technique that ensures the company's objectives are met. Bottom-line: the employee still makes a living contributing to said company.

Seriously, I you want to annihilate me on this turf DO it, don't WISH it.

WORDWORLD:


If i were you i would have asked her to enumerate "these serious internal issues". That is how to know those who are themselves SERIOUS. And should be taken seriously. The problem with most humans is instead of trying to understand one another we create unnecessary barriers most especially when others perspective do not fit ours. Those willing to grow in wisdom change their perspective once the discover that the other's is the TRUTH. "Wisdom is found only in truth". (Wolfang Goethe)

"What we are looking for is not people who agree with us but people who think well of us and know how to express it. We cherish such people though the disagree with us". (Eric Hoffer, Reflection on the Human Condition)

safiaaa can you tell him what these internal issues are so that he can amend if they really matter? That is how to go about it if the best is what you are wishing him.

LadyMarionette:


I see you....

ubunja:

ok if women self-sufficiency is not what u are supporting what else are u supporting?
coz u seem to think a woman taking time off from work due to pregnancy is an ADVANTAGE for women when its actually a RED FLAG.
and u actaully make a very boring debate opponent coz every point i make u have to rush to google to verify it and waste time. and google will still support me. coz i know these things by heart.while u just learning many of the facts im presenting u with.
the fact that women at work need special calendars etc is a minus coz that means they are an inconvinience.
if u cant get that then arguing with u about it is just a waste of time.i even told u companies have to be forced to make spaces for women by law. yet u still argue women can challange men at work. c'mon now. you need to take a knee.
u are not presenting any iinformation thats helping to prove the point u joined the debate. NONE.




and since u havent learnt the lesson i taught OP maybe just leave it.coz im tired of this back and forth just mopping the floor with u

men have the cheating advantage and women have the reproductive advantage .
if u cant prove this wrong then maybe dont bother mentioning me.coz u are beginning to be a rebel with no cause

LadyMarionette:



Is that what you deduced from the post you just read? Please read it again....slowly. I'll make it bold.

Lol! Did you consult MY google for that information? The fact that men give more hours at work, does not negate the fact that women can be self sufficient. Like I said, company resource calendars structure only available resources. So if a woman is on pregnancy leave, another employee who isn't pregnant is scheduled for the work. It's a management technique that ensures the company's objectives are met. Bottom-line: the employee still makes a living contributing to said company.

ubunja:

LOL why bother brother women are always telling men they have issues but you look at the gal and see layers of FakeUp ahem Makeup and weave from dead women in brazil.
plus arguing with women can get time consuming.look how LadyMarionette is having a huge problem understanding why she even joined the dabate
she doesnt even know

lefulefu:

i love ur analysis...d one on masturbation

ubunja:
women cheat for one reason: THEY LOVE D!CK.
coz women never take responsibility for anything they do in life; they will give u these reasons. do u know why all these reasons except Number 7 are not valid? COZ THEY PUT THE BLAME ON THE MAN.only Number 7 puts the blame on the woman squarely.and THAT is the only reason thats valid.
you can take the horse to a river but can never force it to drink.no matter what a man does to you, if you are not a cheat you will never cheat. and no matter how perfectly a man treats you, if you are a cheat you will cheat.regardless.
just like YOU CANT WIFE A HOE, YOU ALSO CANT HOE A WIFE. a woman of honour and intergrity will never betray her character based on your actions.but a woman of loose morals will betray her man no matter how perfect that man is to her. (and the mystery of life is that women who date players are the women who dont cheat. its a mystery. )
-material gain-MY MAN CANT PROVIDE. so im cheating. :blame the man.but he still has the same zero cents he had when you accepted his proposal.but its a problem NOW?
-boredom-MY MAN IS NOW BORING ME.like the man signed up to be a toy to keep u entertained and excited.
-wack sex-MY MAN CANT FVCK. and its his fault? how can he fvck u the way you want when you have fvcked 100 men before him?can he even begin to top that list?
distance-MY MAN IS FAR-but nothing is stopping you from going nearer to him.why did u accept his proposal when u knew he stayed/worked far and it was going to be a problem?why dont you break it off with him instead of cheating?
-to secure their heart-MY MAN WILL LEAVE ME ANY MOMENT BUT I WANA PROTECT MYSELF EMOTIONALLY TO BE READY WHEN HE DOES.what kind of bullsh!t mentality is that to entertain.the man is blamed for actions he hasnt even taken yet and punished for them.punished for a future crime he hasnt even committed.
-attention-MY MAN ACTS LIKE I NO LONGER EXIST.SO I CHEAT.how about you show him you still exist?how about you act your part as one part of a couple? love is not a river flowing one way.its a two way street.play your part too.be his GF.not his God.dont wait for worship while offering none to him.its love not religion .
number 7 is the only reason why women cheat. and number 1 to 6 are the cover women use not to reveal Number 7.

i dont care if women cheat. but atleast dont lie about your motivations. d!ck is irresistable we know. be real women and stop decieving yourselves.

WORDWORLD:


ubunja the modern woman's faculty of reason has been so programmed to see our through the lens of chauvinism. Really sad though i have been going through the arguement couldnt find what i always search for which is wisdom. Its more or less a fight of who is right and not what is right. ITS ALL ABOUT FIGHT FOR PRIDE, HENCE SENSELESS LY GOING IN CIRCLES TO PROVE POINTS WHERE THERE IS REALLY NONE.

You will hear "we dont need men" next thing, they are looking for sperm cells to fertilize their eggs. WHERE DOES SPERM COME FROM? FROM A MANGO TREE?! How then are women self sufficient?

LadyMarionette:


Hmmm...

VeekeeO:
took my time reading all that, word by word and I still don't get your point

LadyMarionette:

Adasun:
then u be olodo na

ubunja:

marionette.
i told OP men own cheating and women own reproduction. and that made u join the debate.
now im asking
1.what did u reay find wrong with my statement?
2.what did u prove this far by debating me on that point?

we can argue about company hours but its a waste coz u still dont understand that a person who needs regular off-time is a disadvantage to the company. even if company objectives get met it means someone had to step in to do over time.
u cant get that simple principle.and that means every company now has people who overrall work LESS hours that others.
u cant get that.

ubunja:

men are born to cheat.
thats why we have millions of sperms and you only release one egg a month.
why do you think its possible for a man to impregnant all the women in the world but a woman cant give every man in the world a child.??

i can twist anything to whatever i want.

Born to cheat? You're looking to nature to give you clues on what's to be done? . If I were to answer your questions logically I would say that the fact that a man releases a million sperms to meet one egg (where only one sperm cell is required) is testament to the inefficiency of the sperm cells versus the reliability of the ovum. Throw millions at an egg in the hope that one sticks? Just how low is the level of confidence in those swimmers? And why do we assume that the success rate of the man in general would be any different in the grand scheme of things? In comparison with women, it takes a lot of men to fail at one thing to make one man successful at it. It's very inefficient.

And the fact that one man is enough to impregnate all the women in the world at a time, only tells you that we have a lot of redundant men who contribute absolutely nothing in the continuation of the species. In this era of population associated problems like global warming, a more efficient world would keep a handful of men only - one who is necessary, and four spare. The others can be sent on a suicide mission to broker world peace.


I can twist anything to whatever I want too.

ubunja:

you are mistaking women's importance in the continued existence of the human race to their suitability for variety.noone is saying who is more important men or women.
the debate is who is built for variety: man or woman.
everything about a woman points to her being of prime use to ONLY ONE MAN. thats why nature even put a hymen over that pvssy so everyone will know if she is already claimed or not. but nature did not put such a verifying seal on the d!ck. coz men can belong to more than one woman no worries.
even porn shows you that. the same dudes been fvcking lots of women.mandingo and crew have been slaying major pvssy while the women just appear for a few years and disappear.
men own variety.thats why its looks that attract men. women own singularity. thats why its always the richest/most powerful man that all women keep fighting over.that one man. he is all that matters.thats why its Prince Charming all women want. and thats singular.
but when men rap they talk about " fvcking hoes!!! ". and thats plural- variety.
is it getting clear?

ubunja:

you are making the same mistake LadyMarionette is making.you are letting it bother you that men have it so good in the ability-to-cheat department. thats the wrong way of looking at it.
look, what nature giveth;nature also taketh away!
the fact that men can cheat with ease means that they have paid a heavy price for that advantage in another department.and its the same thing LadyM has been saying over and over again:MEN ARE DISPENSABLE. the huge advantage men have in the ability of one man to impregnate a million women is balanced by the fact that it also takes one man to do the work of a million men. thats the price men paid. and its the fact LadyMarionette has been making over and again.she was right. but she was using the right facts in the wrong debate.
nature has not given one gender absolute total advantage over the other gender.men and women are equal.they are just gifted in different areas.that gives the illusion of one is greater than the other. coz even if one man can get the others killed and impregnant a million women all on his own, he will succeed, but to a point. after all the kids are born they will still need the murdered million men for support.and we are back to square zero. nature gives and takes advantages in different areas to force us to work together.like puzzle pieces with corresponding designs that fit into each other into one big beautiful picture.
dont envy the fact that men are built to cheat.coz they are also built for extinction.like LadyMarionette so beautifully put it : " man is inconsistent with nature".thats true.men can be annihilated to leave 1 man no worries.but nature balances that equation also by giving men the instinct to be the provider and the strength to provide.meaning women will still need a man's input in raising offspring.LadyM didnt look that far enough into the future.
its all about balance.giving genders different gifts.like how men can orgasm easily.and women struggle to orgasm. but nature balanced that equation by ensuring that when women do orgasm they will go on and on and on nonstop : Multigasms. men can orgasm easily but can only do so once and need to rest. women orgasm after much effort.but when they finally do orgasm they can go on and on and on without getting tired. equation balanced.

Martin0:


I can see ur ministry is moving

We don get michelle here ooo ur own Em Em I hail the governor

Biacan1:
So nah that girl be lefu em em

LadyMarionette:



Alright, let me refresh your memory on this because apparently it's been a long day. I may not even know the details of the thread because I only read you off my mentions. I don't know what you discussed with the OP, but this is how our argument started.....





To which I responded thus......





And we went back and forth until you said this.....




And so, I let the matter rest. Until you said this......




And I have clarified to you that: The first time you made the assertion that the debate (for you) was not about taking instruction from nature to determine the roles of men and women (which is what I assumed by your deductions from their biology to proclaim men "born cheats", to make the different deduction of men operating by numbers on a level of inefficiency) I opted not to pursue the debate any further. But when you mentioned me in your response to the OP to state how badly I'd missed the point, I felt compelled to explain how I arrived at the perspective I had chosen to debate. And since then you have stayed on my turf, trying to poke holes in my rationale. So it's fair to say that we have been debating my matter since then, so the argument was no longer irrelevant. You're trying to hide behind the dead argument now because you're not winning this one. At least, by not responding to that post, I showed enough respect for facts to know when my argument does not support the issue in focus.

Safiaaa:
Ubunja you have serious internal issues. I think I've told you before. Sort it out.

Martin0:

I only say Em Em ooo I nor talk morthan that

ubunja:

look we get it already
u felt compelled to enter the debate.
still the question remains:
1.what did u find wrong with the points made?
2.what counter-pounts did u present that proved my assertion to OP wrong.

stop wasting time qouting the long posts we already discussed.

explain WHAT ERROR COMPELLED YOU TO JOIN THE DEBATE?