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Osun - FG opens One Stop Shop to support MSME in the State.


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They know how to develop small businesses and entrepreneurs in Osun, do they know how to do same in your village?



Go and advice them in your village because Osun is a million miles ahead of your village.

EternalTruths:
If you want to learn, then be civil about your comments because this is economics and not politics we are talking about.

But if you seek to turn it into an insult, I will not respond to you.

The only reason I commented is because Y0ruba and I share the same economic view on public finance & economy.

Misterdhee1:
Osun looks different..I live there nd I know the different between what used to be obtainable and now. Taxing or tolling a project like the Gbogan-Ibadan road will be detrimental to the whole essence of the project..The project I think was embarked upon to ease movement from Osun-ibadan-Lagos where the bulk of the state's agricultural earnings come from...The road used to be a death trap...Even if he would tax or toll it, it shouldn't be now..Osun needs to leave its current status of being a civil servants state to a economical vibrant state. And I think that has been the basis of ogbeni's administration from the onset

OlaSpeaker:
Haven followed your argument I would say I am disappointed with this your response.

Now back to the topic of this discus, I totally agree with you that aregbe might have got his priority wrong but governance is a continuous thing and it doesn't matter who comes in next as the captain of the state because infrastructural development is vital to the socio economic development of any state.

First towing the roads will be a bad idea for now that can be a plan in the future
secondly the roads will attract more investors, boost agro economy of the state as farmers will have ease of transporting their goods, more traders will flux the state this increase in economic activities will lead to increase in population and increase in infrastructural development such as housing and in turn lead to increase in the state IGR though this may be a long term term solution but the fact is even if the state start towing immediately after commissioning these roads it still won't pay the huge dept owned by the state in a short time.

Though your point is valid but ogbeni still needs to be applauded

EternalTruths:

Where do you get money to maintain the road

Y0ruba has a point about tolling the road in order to maintain & recuperate the cost.

Y0ruba:
LOL why do you have to embarrass yourself ehn? Your use of English is bad and your grasp of minor socio-economic issue is subpar yet to typed ‘I schooled at OAU’. How did you graduate with this type of English and reasoning? Are you a 3rd class material or something? OAU used to be a good school though, SMH.

Anyway, stop being selfish. It is not about you driving, having a house there and your business. It is about the good lot there who are unemployed and the government workers not getting paid.

My question is - how does he intend to earn the money back in order to put the government’s purse back in shape? Yes you can drive up and down but are people getting paid? Is the road you are driving your jalopy through earning the state money?

No government in the world embarks on free projects. They give you infrastructures they know they can earn money from.

I wonder why it is so difficult for your likes to understand Osun is poor and lacks the luxury of embarking on projects it will not earn money from.

deomelo:
So, the government should not build roads or build and develop infrastructure unless they have money for maintenance?

This must be a special requirement in Osun because they have fancy roads and bridges ..


Osun Road Maintenance Agency (ORMA) is a whole agency created and tasked to maintain state roads.


You do not know anything about Osun state stop spewing rubbish..

This is turning into comedy...

bellyjean:
I don't understand how majority of the contributors did not get the point @YOruba was trying to make.

These and many more by Ogbeni are laudable projects. The ones he did in Osogbo are great. The bridge and the detour to ring road from Secretariat road is long overdue. The detour to ilesa garage will ease traffic once completed.

But this trumpet bridge is not needed by osun state right now. And unless osun state has plans to make money from this gargantuan project, I would say it is a white elephant project.

Let me build my case pls.
1. Ibadan to Ife/ilesa to akure is a federal road. One beautiful thing about osun state is that this road is just outside the major towns of osun state. The road passes just on the side.
NB. Gbogan is not a major town.
From this express road, you will have to travel inwards, either left or right to go to Osogbo, ife, and ilesa. Since this road didn't enter any major town per se (like Lagos -Ibadan express way enters Ibadan city), traffic will always be free and smooth at the entry and exits of these major towns. So the trumpet bridge clearly was not needed.

2. Building a case for the capital city, Osogbo.
Osogbo is so centralised that there are about 4 entry/exit points into the town.
a. From ilesa
b. From Ife/Moro/sekona to ede to osogbo
c. From gbogan
d. From Iwo
These four routes are utilised by people coming from lagos/Ibadan and akure/ondo/oore
e. From ikirun
For commuters from offa/Ilorin/ Niger state.

One can see how there are options for commuters depending on where you are coming from and where you are going (if you have to pass through Osogbo)

3. Pls we know the textbook importance of infrastructures like good roads.
But a more sensible project to embark upon is to upgrade the aforementioned entry/exit roads into quality double lane roads.
NB. I stay in ilesa, had my secondary school education in ikirun and completed my bachelor's in Ife. So unless you stay in osun state, you wouldn't know that the abovementioned roads are as bad as the roads that lead to stream in your villages.
So you would agree with YOruba that unless there is a specific and strategic need for this trumpet bridge, this might be ogbeni's greatest scandal in his 8 year rule in osun.

4. ... for a better and a more pleasurable tomorrow.
Since 2015 or 2016, Ogbeni has been paying part salaries to the state employed workers. He couldn't fulfil osun's commitment to Lautech. There are some positives too; the mega schools he built. But if this trumpet bridge was one of the reasons why osun workers were denied full benefits over the years, then the bridge better attract investors, provide jobs for the unemployed youths and maybe someday, a world marathon event is done in the state with this trumpet bridge as the route.

5. ...Gbogan, the industrial hub of osun state?

Was there any pressure on the exit from gbogan to Osogbo?

No there was none. Gbogan's population is probably less than 300,000 or just around this figure.

Is gbogan town industrialised which may have led to any congestion experienced in the town?

No.

Will Gbogan ever become industrialised? Yes of course. But unless, Ogbeni has this in his immediate plans or has signed some MOU with some investors to come site their companies in Gbogan, then, the timing of this trumpet bridge is wrong.

I can go on and on. But to do any form of criticism here, I might be relegated into the IPoB league and I don't want this.
"Ona baba ona", the super roads in built in ilesa, Ife didn't last up to 1 year before they got damaged. Why not do standard roads and come back in 5/6 years only to do small maintenance and repairs?

Why not leverage on the strengths of osun state especially, the human resources available, the good arable lands, proximity to Ogun and Lagos, why not collaborate with the governments of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun, and may be ondo to link the States via high speed rail networks?

Why not leverage on the rich culture and heritage and also peaceful atmosphere of osun to make it the number one tourist destination in Nigeria?

I rest my fingers here.

jbtobsyn:
Na the question he asked,u should reply.He is not talking about the thread,Don't boycott his question.Is construction of road an achievement. It is a must for the government to create infrastructure but we still praise them on little things which we are entitled to.It should not be so

deomelo:
So, the government should not build roads or build and develop infrastructure unless they have money for maintenance?

This must be a special requirement in Osun because they have fancy roads and bridges ..


Osun Road Maintenance Agency (ORMA) is a whole agency created and tasked to maintain state roads.


You do not know anything about Osun state stop spewing rubbish..

This is turning into comedy...

Y0ruba:
Dude, take a seat.

Go and work on your grammar first and we can pick things up from there.

I’m not going to waste my time struggling to deal with a grown man’s inability to structure texts with periods and paragraphs.

Go play somewhere or drive off the face of the earth.

deji17:
In Buhari second term, Aregbe should be moved to Ministry of works while Fashola moves to Attourney General of the Federation.

deji17:
In Buhari second term, Aregbe should be moved to Ministry of works while Fashola moves to Attourney General of the Federation.

gentle5:
You don't have to deny your igbo heritage boy. We sabi una M.O for here wella. I understand your bitterness though. It is rooted in jealousy and envy. You people are anti-progress. But just coz you refuse to develop your region doesn't mean we SWerners have to toe that path. Quit this foolishness coz we know you are an impostor.

ajl:
Seem you are still not getting it. Let me simplify it for you. You mentioned "projects the government will earn money from". Now, how government earn money. In advanced societies it's principally from tax and other levies, etc. So, when roads are constructed in an area, the government has done the following:

-open up the area, which in turn lead to real estate investments and businesses in the area (govt get property tax and business tax).
-enhance connectivity between people and businesses which enhance productivity (more revenue for govt)
-aid transportation of goods/services which improve commerce (more potential source of govt revenue)
And so many other revenue benefits

rasputinn:
Are you saying it's only ZOMBIES that like it

bellyjean:
I don't understand how majority of the contributors did not get the point @YOruba was trying to make.

These and many more by Ogbeni are laudable projects. The ones he did in Osogbo are great. The bridge and the detour to ring road from Secretariat road is long overdue. The detour to ilesa garage will ease traffic once completed.

But this trumpet bridge is not needed by osun state right now. And unless osun state has plans to make money from this gargantuan project, I would say it is a white elephant project.

Let me build my case pls.
1. Ibadan to Ife/ilesa to akure is a federal road. One beautiful thing about osun state is that this road is just outside the major towns of osun state. The road passes just on the side.
NB. Gbogan is not a major town.
From this express road, you will have to travel inwards, either left or right to go to Osogbo, ife, and ilesa. Since this road didn't enter any major town per se (like Lagos -Ibadan express way enters Ibadan city), traffic will always be free and smooth at the entry and exits of these major towns. So the trumpet bridge clearly was not needed.

2. Building a case for the capital city, Osogbo.
Osogbo is so centralised that there are about 4 entry/exit points into the town.
a. From ilesa
b. From Ife/Moro/sekona to ede to osogbo
c. From gbogan
d. From Iwo
These four routes are utilised by people coming from lagos/Ibadan and akure/ondo/oore
e. From ikirun
For commuters from offa/Ilorin/ Niger state.

One can see how there are options for commuters depending on where you are coming from and where you are going (if you have to pass through Osogbo)

3. Pls we know the textbook importance of infrastructures like good roads.
But a more sensible project to embark upon is to upgrade the aforementioned entry/exit roads into quality double lane roads.
NB. I stay in ilesa, had my secondary school education in ikirun and completed my bachelor's in Ife. So unless you stay in osun state, you wouldn't know that the abovementioned roads are as bad as the roads that lead to stream in your villages.
So you would agree with YOruba that unless there is a specific and strategic need for this trumpet bridge, this might be ogbeni's greatest scandal in his 8 year rule in osun.

4. ... for a better and a more pleasurable tomorrow.
Since 2015 or 2016, Ogbeni has been paying part salaries to the state employed workers. He couldn't fulfil osun's commitment to Lautech. There are some positives too; the mega schools he built. But if this trumpet bridge was one of the reasons why osun workers were denied full benefits over the years, then the bridge better attract investors, provide jobs for the unemployed youths and maybe someday, a world marathon event is done in the state with this trumpet bridge as the route.

5. ...Gbogan, the industrial hub of osun state?

Was there any pressure on the exit from gbogan to Osogbo?

No there was none. Gbogan's population is probably less than 300,000 or just around this figure.

Is gbogan town industrialised which may have led to any congestion experienced in the town?

No.

Will Gbogan ever become industrialised? Yes of course. But unless, Ogbeni has this in his immediate plans or has signed some MOU with some investors to come site their companies in Gbogan, then, the timing of this trumpet bridge is wrong.

I can go on and on. But to do any form of criticism here, I might be relegated into the IPoB league and I don't want this.
"Ona baba ona", the super roads in built in ilesa, Ife didn't last up to 1 year before they got damaged. Why not do standard roads and come back in 5/6 years only to do small maintenance and repairs?

Why not leverage on the strengths of osun state especially, the human resources available, the good arable lands, proximity to Ogun and Lagos, why not collaborate with the governments of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun, and may be ondo to link the States via high speed rail networks?

Why not leverage on the rich culture and heritage and also peaceful atmosphere of osun to make it the number one tourist destination in Nigeria?

I rest my fingers here.

EternalTruths:
They won't understand you.

You might not find this comment pleasant. Most of your people, don't understand wealth creation, public finance & basic economics.

Infrastructures should be paid by users in order to recuperate the money spent on it since a state like Osun is poor.

I will advice that the toll fee should not be much so as not to induce price inflation.


Yes I don't like taxation but in this case, it is needed to get back that money spent to provide such facility since Osun state is a poor state.


Finally, you said something that I like and have being working on for years.


".....A whole lot of you want the government to pay salaries but won’t help it brainstorm on how to generate the money;......."


This is the main problem of many Nigerians.

They don't brainstorm on how to boost IGR and employment that don't drain state purse.


Don't feel bad if they call you IPOB because in reality, you share the view of Biafran economists.

wellmax:
Go and read your comment that I quoted and tell me the scrutiny in it.

The earlier you remove hate from you, the better.

EternalTruths:
The money spent by ORMA to maintain roads in Osun states, does it fall from trees or heaven.?

Now answer my question

Where do you expect the state to pay for maintenance if that road is not toll since Osun is not a rich state.?

BetaThings:
You are so happy at the "deplorable condition (brown roof)" of your state

otipoju:
In a civilized world. ..the road leading to your doorstep should be tarred.

BetaThings:
The road constructed by Gov Aregebsola from [i]Ikoyi (close to Asejire) to Ago Owu Farm [/i]Settlement enables a lot of farmers in the neighbouring communities bring their produce to town
But still it is a titanic battle to wean people of free money mentality.
Nigerians are criminally corrupt. We blackmail governments in election years by threatening not to vote for a government that collects taxes

bellyjean:
I don't understand how majority of the contributors did not get the point @YOruba was trying to make.

These and many more by Ogbeni are laudable projects. The ones he did in Osogbo are great. The bridge and the detour to ring road from Secretariat road is long overdue. The detour to ilesa garage will ease traffic once completed.

But this trumpet bridge is not needed by osun state right now. And unless osun state has plans to make money from this gargantuan project, I would say it is a white elephant project.

Let me build my case pls.
1. Ibadan to Ife/ilesa to akure is a federal road. One beautiful thing about osun state is that this road is just outside the major towns of osun state. The road passes just on the side.
NB. Gbogan is not a major town.
From this express road, you will have to travel inwards, either left or right to go to Osogbo, ife, and ilesa. Since this road didn't enter any major town per se (like Lagos -Ibadan express way enters Ibadan city), traffic will always be free and smooth at the entry and exits of these major towns. So the trumpet bridge clearly was not needed.

2. Building a case for the capital city, Osogbo.
Osogbo is so centralised that there are about 4 entry/exit points into the town.
a. From ilesa
b. From Ife/Moro/sekona to ede to osogbo
c. From gbogan
d. From Iwo
These four routes are utilised by people coming from lagos/Ibadan and akure/ondo/oore
e. From ikirun
For commuters from offa/Ilorin/ Niger state.

One can see how there are options for commuters depending on where you are coming from and where you are going (if you have to pass through Osogbo)

3. Pls we know the textbook importance of infrastructures like good roads.
But a more sensible project to embark upon is to upgrade the aforementioned entry/exit roads into quality double lane roads.
NB. I stay in ilesa, had my secondary school education in ikirun and completed my bachelor's in Ife. So unless you stay in osun state, you wouldn't know that the abovementioned roads are as bad as the roads that lead to stream in your villages.
So you would agree with YOruba that unless there is a specific and strategic need for this trumpet bridge, this might be ogbeni's greatest scandal in his 8 year rule in osun.

4. ... for a better and a more pleasurable tomorrow.
Since 2015 or 2016, Ogbeni has been paying part salaries to the state employed workers. He couldn't fulfil osun's commitment to Lautech. There are some positives too; the mega schools he built. But if this trumpet bridge was one of the reasons why osun workers were denied full benefits over the years, then the bridge better attract investors, provide jobs for the unemployed youths and maybe someday, a world marathon event is done in the state with this trumpet bridge as the route.

5. ...Gbogan, the industrial hub of osun state?

Was there any pressure on the exit from gbogan to Osogbo?

No there was none. Gbogan's population is probably less than 300,000 or just around this figure.

Is gbogan town industrialised which may have led to any congestion experienced in the town?

No.

Will Gbogan ever become industrialised? Yes of course. But unless, Ogbeni has this in his immediate plans or has signed some MOU with some investors to come site their companies in Gbogan, then, the timing of this trumpet bridge is wrong.

I can go on and on. But to do any form of criticism here, I might be relegated into the IPoB league and I don't want this.
"Ona baba ona", the super roads in built in ilesa, Ife didn't last up to 1 year before they got damaged. Why not do standard roads and come back in 5/6 years only to do small maintenance and repairs?

Why not leverage on the strengths of osun state especially, the human resources available, the good arable lands, proximity to Ogun and Lagos, why not collaborate with the governments of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun, and may be ondo to link the States via high speed rail networks?

Why not leverage on the rich culture and heritage and also peaceful atmosphere of osun to make it the number one tourist destination in Nigeria?

I rest my fingers here.

Johnnyessence:
you will always be decceiving yourself with your fallacies of lies and propaganda. no one will cast their votes for apc in next year presidential election.

Neyoor:
Is it road that is not needed?

Tell me that state that is not in debt in Nigeria of today.

Let's learn to appreciate good things whenever we see them

vannessa7:
They are all over this thread casting stones, if that bridge had been built in the east I bet we will not be having this discussion, and that Y0ruba guy is spending so much energy deriding the place he supposedly come from, the day an ipob begin to say the truth hell will freeze over, the ones that won't lie among them will keep quiet.

vannessa7:
They are all over this thread casting stones, if that bridge had been built in the east I bet we will not be having this discussion, and that Y0ruba guy is spending so much energy deriding the place he supposedly come from, the day an ipob begin to say the truth hell will freeze over, the ones that won't lie among them will keep quiet.