Maichelkim:
Isn't paying to pastors not better? Let them flex nah; afterral they do the talking&shouting in church.

THAT UR SHOUTING EVERYDAY IN CHURCH DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE SHOULD DISOBEY GODS TITHE RULES IN THE BIBLE.

Publicity stunt, why asking, can't you do wot is good for u, if u like pay to olosho

JustMercy:


No problem. Just get someone among those poor to serve as your pastor. He will also lead you on evangelism, mission work, ur marriage counseling and other necessary spiritual functions.

You see I have tried not respond to this unnecessary debate and talk on tithe. I know that it is only the babe in Christianity or unbelievers that gets bothered about tithe.

Let me tell you that tithe is for people under the law but all your income is owned by God for those under grace in Christ. If what God is getting from you for the expansion of the gospel is just your tithe that means 90% of your life is stilled own by you. The bible says Jesus died for us and paid with His life for our debt. Our debt as human is death. The wages of sin is death.

Jesus Christ abolished the killing of ram (that doesn't voluntarily give his life for human but was forcefully killed in d Old Testament) and voluntarily offer His own life for our lives. Outside life, what do you have? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Damnation in fire for sinners and eternal life for the saint (repented sinner).

So if Christ life is your life. Who owns your money? Eni to ni eru lo ni eru.

Jesus Christ, the disciples and Paul, do they emphasis tithe, no.

I guess tithes is being emphasized today in church because we have more of unrepentant sinners, disobedient Christian, fearful Christian, worldly Christian etc more than the faithful children of God. The faithful will offer their lives, time and resources for the gospel while the former will give only tithes.

After paying their tithes,
They spend d rest recklessly
They spend frivolously
They commit sin with the remaining 90%
They will not help the needy ones in the church
They will not contribute to any other needy for the gospel again

WHY? simple, they have paid their tithes.

Christian lives shouldn't be like this. It must be a generous life as guided and controlled by Christ.

If your Pastor is mismanaging church fund and you can proof it. Walk up to him and counsel him. If u can't walk up to him go to another bible and mission minded church.

LET US STOP THIS STUPID AND UNREASONABLE DEBATE ON PAYING TITHE OR NOT AND LET US USE OUR LIFE, TIME AND RESOURCES TO DO THE WILL OF GOD.

If you are not a bastard, you will hear God's voice and give to God has he demands from you and not as you have regulate yourself.

No these please
It is not your tithe that is keeping you alive
It is not your tithe that makes you rich
It is not your tithes that protects you from devourer
It is not your tithes that will take you to heaven
It is your TRUST, DEPENDENCE AND OBIDIENCE TO JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOUR.

BE A GENEROUS GIVER TO THE COURSE OF THE GOSPEL. YOU HAVE NOTHING THEY ALL BELONG TO GOD EVEN YOUR LIFE.

Tithe has rules as stipulated in the bible...Don't twist it before the christian God will punish u.

That u did marriage counselling n crusade doesn't mean that people should disobey God and give u their tithe.

juchifroot:


any room for Christian living in your Gospel?

TITHE doesn't take anyone to heaven.

fcmacdon:



Thank you.

If we are to pay tithe we are not even paying it correctly presently. we pray that God will one day open our eyes. people don't read their Bibles to understand it.


A day is coming, some people will thank Freeze.

In my own opinion, let's all stop trying to play God; and that includes Freeze. I doubt that God will punish anyone for paying tithes or not paying it. And if he will, we all won't know who is right or wrong until we stand before him.

All these vain argument is totally unnecessary in my opinion. Let every man serve his creator with a clear conscience.

PrecisionFx:


TITHE doesn't take anyone to heaven.

how about everything else righteousness, holiness, generosity et al? some who think they're saved will be denied by Jesus when the time comes

WhoBeThisMan:
My pastor didn't put fear in my heart, and what I do I do out of love not fear.

Oh so ur waiting for ur pastor to threaten u physically .

The threat is delivered thru scare tactics. Ur pastor scared u with Malachi 3 vs 8 - 10. Ur pastor has long told u from childhood that u are a thief stealing from God if u dont pay ur tithe.........And that the God will send devourers to decimate n destroy ur source Of income...



Funny Enough Malachi Chapter 3 vs 8 - 10 is a warning from God to priests/pastors/levites

Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.

Enemy of progress...

But you don't hate to see Davido and Wizkid in private jets while the poor suffer ba??
You'll be willing to pay heaven and earth to attend concert but you cannot pay common 10%to pastors who pray for you

Ika ni e

juchifroot:


how about everything else righteousness, holiness, generosity et al? some who think they're saved will be denied by Jesus when the time comes

Grace n Salvation is what takes people to heaven.
Remember the 2 thieves on the cross.

Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.

you hating someone that doesn't know you exist? Eiiish.. what intelligence! Your tithe makes no difference. Thousands are added daily!

Guys its okay,those who want to pay tithes should do,those who don't should keep their money,this is the problem with Christians, u people always feel that everyone has to conform to ur opinion,those who think Christians should pay tithe shouldn't enforce it on others just go ahead and do what u feel is best,those who feel the church should be supported monetarily but not by coercing people to pay tithes should equally uphold their views,this argument is totally unnecessary

PrecisionFx:


Grace n Salvation is what takes people to heaven.
Remember the 2 thieves on the cross.

everything I mentioned above is the work of grace. Grace empowers for holiness not just forgiveness of sin. brother, salvation is evidenced by works. a man who lives for himself and selfishly holds on to his purse or has no love for Christ and the church cannot claim " grace "

Ubenedictus:


the poor are among those who should be given the tithe

Deuteronomy 26 vs 12. When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. Deuteronomy 14 vs 28. At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands

That's a gold scripture but you need the Holy Spirit to interpret the word .

Doerstech:



That's a gold scripture but you need the Holy Spirit to interpret the word .

so your personal holy spirit told you that the poor are excluded from tithe after the Bible says the poor are part of those who receive tithe?


if it is so, then that your spirit is evil spirit.

Tithe is not for the poor. So do not mix it up. If you were a practising christian, you wont need to ask this. Try to read the bible and understand things yourself instead if waiting to hear from people even from your pastor.

Give to the poor and forget paying tithe if you don't believe in it.

PrecisionFx:


I have already shown pure bible proof to u amd yet ur telling me bout what u have in ur medulla.


U have also made up ur mind before today so why should I offer more bible proof to u ?


Tithe doesn't take anyone to heaven, Grace n Salvation alone does.

Dey there dey talk. Tithing is one of the key towards making heaven. God doesn't harbour thieves in heaven. No matter how you see it, even if you argue till tomorrow, the word of God can never change. The word can never be diluted to please mankind. You might be saved but on the judgement seat you are screened especially when you had listen to messages of this nature. Non be d wen u dey see am na he be oh. Many pastors are deceiving their members will grace messages. It goes beyond that. The way to heaven is very narrow. It is a very difficult task to follow. You have to be pure and holy to make it as if there is any spot,nothing for you. There are many things to do,tithe is just one of them

Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.

it's then called ALMS not tithe. Jesus said so

asuustrike2009:

Dey there dey talk. Tithing is one of the key towards making heaven. God doesn't harbour thieves in heaven. No matter how you see it, even if you argue till tomorrow, the word of God can never change. The word can never be diluted to please mankind. You might be saved but on the judgement seat you are screened especially when you had listen to messages of this nature. Non be d wen u dey see am na he be oh. Many pastors are deceiving their members will grace messages. It goes beyond that. The way to heaven is very narrow. It is a very difficult task to follow. You have to be pure and holy to make it as if there is any spot,nothing for you. There are many things to do,tithe is just one of them

There's no place in the.bible where it was written that only Tithers will make heaven....

Jesus didn't pay tithe.

Jesus never received tithe.

None of the Apostles or disciple paid tithe. .


U can argue all u like but know this, U can never change the bible.

wirinet:


Foul! Jesus never tied salvation to tithes. Christ never taught that you will be judged according to tithes. That is false doctrine.

@OP, you are on the right path as Jesus commanded his followers to help the poor.

Read John 21:15 - 17 to know what Jesus commanded;


John 21:15-17 King James Version (KJV)

15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

This is why i support Daddy Freeze trying to Free the Sheeples, which has proven to be an impossible task. Until the sheep is free off their task masters (Salvation according to tithe pastors), the sheep cannot be fed.

This is the word the accuser of the brethren uses this verse in the bible against humanity. ( 1 cor 6:9-10). A thief can never make it to heaven. How? Because you steal from God?
When? Through tithing and offering ( mal 3:8-12). It is very easy to quote but the reality is that God will never change his standard. Tithing has being there from immemorial and would be there. Jesus himself wasn't against it ( Luke 11:42, Matthew 23:23).Tithing has being there ( Lev 27:30-33, Deut 14:22, num 18:24, Amos 4:4). Study these few scriptures and see for yourself whether the Lord himself condemned tithing. Whether he asked this present generation not to pay at all. From Genesis to revelation, there is no single verse of the bible that say don't pay tithe. The Lord Jesus himself didn't condemned it either then I wonder where did the doctrine of not paying tithe came from? Many are just assuming nothing were there is nothing. The word of God is our standard, it is not what you think but what God thinks. It is not what your pastor say but what the word of God says. Satan is very crafty

asuustrike2009:

Tithing is one of the key towards making heaven.

Gospel according to Nigerian Men of God and their fanatic followers.

You have to be pure and holy to make it as if there is any spot,nothing for you.

What has being pure and holy got to do with tithe?

walls01:


yes he did not condemn anything, he said he did not come to change the law yet he clearly did. Take eye for an eye as example.
Jesus came to show us what God realy requires from us you must umderstand the differene

Jesus was specific when certain questions were asked. An eye for eye question was raised, Jesus did explain that there was no need to fight back. The issue of tithe wasn't raised neither did he condemned it. Study Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 to see whether the issue of tithe was kicked against. Jesus never kicked against tithing at all. What Jesus did was to rebuke the Pharisees for not obeying lighter matters along with tithe. He never condemned it ( matt 23:23, Luke 11:42)

asuustrike2009:

Your heart isn't open( zec 7:12, ).
Tithing has being discussed on this forum and I have given many bible verses.

We have not started & you are already judging me.If you think my heart is not open then keep your testimony to yourself.

sunbreaker:
.'From experience'…av u been judged before ?

Even if I tell would you believe? No

asuustrike2009:

This is the word the accuser of the brethren uses this verse in the bible against humanity. ( 1 cor 6:9-10). A thief can never make it to heaven. How? Because you steal from God?
When? Through tithing and offering ( mal 3:8-12). It is very easy to quote but the reality is that God will never change his standard. Tithing has being there from immemorial and would be there. Jesus himself wasn't against it ( Luke 11:42, Matthew 23:23).Tithing has being there ( Lev 27:30-33, Deut 14:22, num 18:24, Amos 4:4). Study these few scriptures and see for yourself whether the Lord himself condemned tithing. Whether he asked this present generation not to pay at all. From Genesis to revelation, there is no single verse of the bible that say don't pay tithe. The Lord Jesus himself didn't condemned it either then I wonder where did the doctrine of not paying tithe came from? Many are just assuming nothing were there is nothing. The word of God is our standard, it is not what you think but what God thinks. It is not what your pastor say but what the word of God says. Satan is very crafty

Malachi was not referring to Christians or even ordinary Jews, it was talking about priests who were stealing tithes and offerings of the ordinary people.

Jesus preached and taught the people about lots of things tithing was not one of them.

Jesus never demanded for tithes from anybody and never taught his disciples to collect tithes from anybody. If you really want to be called Christians meaning Christ follower, you follow the instructions and teachings of Christ and not anyone else. Christ have already told you how to show you love him.

asuustrike2009:

Jesus was specific when certain questions were asked. An eye for eye question was raised, Jesus did explain that there was no need to fight back. [b] The issue of tithe wasn't raised [/b]neither did he condemned it. Study Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 to see whether the issue of tithe was kicked against. Jesus never kicked against tithing at all. What Jesus did was to rebuke the Pharisees for not obeying lighter matters along with tithe. He never condemned it ( matt 23:23, Luke 11:42)

The issue of tithes wasn't raised because it was not important, and certainly not a requirement for salvation.The only times Jesus mentioned tithes was in condemnation of the Pharisees. are you a Pharisee?

Jesus never taught tithing.

Jesus never went careful in going against established norms and constituted authorities, that was why he encouraged his followers to pay tax to Caesar. Are you now going to say paying Tax is a requirement for making heaven because jesus commanded Christians to Give what belongs to Caesar to Caesar? Have you given Caesar his due? Have you paid your taxes?If not you will not make heaven.

wirinet:


Malachi was not referring to Christians or even ordinary Jews, it was talking about priests who were stealing tithes and offerings of the ordinary people.

Jesus preached and taught the people about lots of things tithing was not one of them.

Jesus never demanded for tithes from anybody and never taught his disciples to collect tithes from anybody. If you really want to be called Christians meaning Christ follower, you follow the instructions and teachings of Christ and not anyone else. Christ have already told you how to show you love him.

The bible itself from Genesis to revelation is for Christians. Jesus never kicked against tithing either. Study the bible verses I gave and see for yourself. It is easy to say Malachi isn't for Christians but Exodus 20:1 -17 are for Christians.

" All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."( 2 Tim 3:16). It didn't say some scriptures but all. There is reason why put those chapters in the bible. They are not there for decoration

wirinet:


The issue of tithes wasn't raised because it was not important, and certainly not a requirement for salvation.The only times Jesus mentioned tithes was in condemnation of the Pharisees. are you a Pharisee?

Jesus never taught tithing.

Jesus never went careful in going against established norms and constituted authorities, that was why he encouraged his followers to pay tax to Caesar. Are you now going to say paying Tax is a requirement for making heaven because jesus commanded Christians to Give what belongs to Caesar to Caesar? Have you given Caesar his due? Have you paid your taxes?If not you will not make heaven.

Yes you must pay tax because the word of God says so ( ROM 13:1-6). You must pay tithe because it is a command ( mal 3:8-10). Jesus never spoke against tithing neither did he say we should disobey authorities ( Matthew 23:23, Matthew 22:21). You must respect constituted authorities ( ROM 13:1). There are exception to such submission

Paulpeterparker:
I really hate to see pastor riding on private jets while the poor are suffering. So i have decided to start paying my tithe's to the poor. Am i right? Or am making a very big mistake.

MY DEAR PAY UR TITHE TO UR CHURCH AS U HAVE BN DOIN. DNT ALLOW PPL DERAIL UR THINKING OK?? AND ALSO BLESS D POOR IF U CAN!!! GOD BLESS U

motiond16:
Contact ddady freez and run away 4rm Oyedepo and Adebayo private jet competitors.

AND WATS UR BIZ WIT DAT, HYPOCRITE!!

removetheturban:
Tithe is not for God either. No one asked Christians to tithe. If you tithe, you are not a Christian.

@Paulpeterparker if you want to give to anyone, give cheerfully. Do not withhold good from anyone asking. There is no Bible injunction that commands Christians to tithe.

Jesus said that if you do it to the least of his sheep, you do it for him.

Do not let any man instill fear in your heart to cajole you into something that is out of the law that Christ gave to Christians.

WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO PAY OUR TITHES......... UNA GO DEY CARRY HEADACHE FOR HEAD...... PAY UR TITHE, GIVE CHEERFULLY TO D POOR ETC AND B HAPPY, LETS STOP ALL DIS ARGUMENTS....HABA!!!

asuustrike2009:

The bible itself from Genesis to revelation is for Christians. Jesus never kicked against tithing either. Study the bible verses I gave and see for yourself. It is easy to say Malachi isn't for Christians but Exodus 20:1 -17 are for Christians.

" All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."( 2 Tim 3:16). It didn't say some scriptures but all. There is reason why put those chapters in the bible. They are not there for decoration

Start reading Malachi from Chapter 2 instead if reading only Malachi 3:8 - 12 in isolation. You will see Malachi was talking about priests who were teaching wrong doctrines and stealing tithes and offerings.
Malachi 2:2
“And now, you priests, this warning is for you. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says the Lord Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.

Malachi 2:7
7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi,” says the Lord Almighty. 9 “So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed my ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law.”

GREATESTPIANIST:
WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO PAY OUR TITHES......... UNA GO DEY CARRY HEADACHE FOR HEAD...... PAY UR TITHE, GIVE CHEERFULLY TO D POOR ETC AND B HAPPY, LETS STOP ALL DIS ARGUMENTS....HABA!!!

You were instructed to pay tithes by your pastor and not Christ. You pastor might as well instruct you to drink poison or strap bomb on your chest, it does not mean it was instructed by Christ.