Omudia11:
Come upon Who?

The Most High.

Onnasucs1:
I'm not a misogynist. Thank you

Onnascus1, u earlier made one good contribution.

Let me add to your words.
The Bible said, Woe to you, O land, when your king is a child... Eccl10:16

I am going to make 2 points.

Point 1

There is a place where a woman pastored in the church. This shows that vast and many vast majority of Christian do not read their scriptures very well.

You compare scriptures with scriptures.
Romans 16:1-2 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant (deacon) of the church in Cenchrea, that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also.


Point 2

The resurrection message was firsted preached by a woman to the apostle.
John 20:15-18 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away." Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher). Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.'" Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] He had spoken these things to her.

Remember, the order is not to be distorted.
God
Christ
Man
Woman.

If anyone feels he needs more information on truth, we can chat if you call on me

Without holiness, no one can see heaven.
And Unless your righteousness exceeds the scribes and Pharisees, u cannot enter heaven

Grace to you

like bible like Qur'an misogynistic as hell

I want to ask a simple question,

If you are drown in the ocean and your about to die, does it matter who come to save you? If she is a woman or a man?

Jesus never said go ye only men and preach the gospel, but he command both male and female to preach the good news.

Who ever winneth a soul weather a man or a woman is wise.

The woman at the well after her encounter with Jesus became the first woman evangelist,

At the upper room both male and female recieved the gift of the Holy Ghost and one of the duty of the Holy Ghost is to enable us preach the gospel and win souls.

Debora was a judge in Isreal even when men were there was she not a preacher?

Any one who says a woman should not preach lack the understanding of the word of God.

Very demonic opinions backed up ignorantly with scriptures.
Shame on this religious section on nairaland.

Another fool who thinks he is making sense not knowing he is just fooling himself, who told you God was the one that said women should not be pastors, show me where in the bible God or Jesus Christ said anything like that in the new testament ? Is Apostle Paul God, how can you say what a man said is what God said?... You're a fool and you will die of ignorance and stupidity. How can you In this generation of light open your dirty mouth to talk about things you know clearly nothing about ? mumu thunder will strike you dead for claiming this nonsense as the word of God

Geeklady:
So what are the consequences of female pastors?

By allowing women to pastor and teach men, they commit the sin of disorder and this gives the devil entry into the family and the church to destroy it. What is sin? Whatever you know to be right, but you do the opposite. If God commands one thing and you do another, this is sin. And if we continue in unrepentant sin, we give a place to the devil (Eph 4:27, 2 Cor 2:11).

Satan is the antithesis of God.

We shouldn’t be ignorant of Satan’s devices. He’s always suggesting something contrary to God’s word. If we obey Satan rather than God, Satan becomes our master and he has control over us.

When God says, “Man must be with woman,” Satan says, “Man can be with man.”
When God says, “Humble yourself,” Satan says, “Pride is strength and humility is weakness.”
When God says, “Tell the truth,” Satan says, “Lie.”
What God calls evil, Satan calls good.
When God says, “The man leads and the wife follows,” Satan says, “The woman should lead and the man should follow.”
Satan appeals to our human emotions and says, “Women should be in authority. They should be in control. They have an anointing too!” But with the woman in control, Satan knows that he gains the advantage. That co-pastor-wife, her pastor-husband, the children and the church will gradually lose the protection available from God because of the sin of disorder. No matter how well things are going for a church that practices this sin, they will eventually fall.

The Bible is clear about proper headship:

Ladyhippolyta88:
Feminist are not of the devil they are against the misogyny of your bible.

Lady, there is no inferiority issue between man and woman but there must be order...

It is either woman is the head or man is. It is pride, rebellion and satanic to reject the clear way of God.

delishpot:


Because in those days women were considered properties. It would have been kicked against if he said to someone's daughter follow me around and I will make you Fisher of men. He choose men for convince. I am sure if a woman had decided to become a preacher with Jesus, her family would have said NO. I believe you know that too? Besides, we do not know if a book is written where Jesus also recruited a woman. The few books chosen to be compiled as the Bible may not contain that part. There are missing years in the Bible where no accounts of Jesus is written. Do you know what transpired in those years? For all we know he had females but that part was not included. Show me where Jesus said women can not lead a church. That law came from the apostles after Jesus left. When Jesus was sending them out, to go and preach he did not talk about men or women who had the right to preach. That rule comes from Jewish belief that women should not be heard.

You are highly mistaken. Women followed Jesus around and ministered to him. If he wanted to, He would have made one an apostle or even given clear directions for one to be made much later, but he didn't.

bloodofthelamb:


Lady, there is no inferiority issue between man and woman but there must be order...

It is either woman is the head or man is. It is pride, rebellion and satanic to reject the clear way of God.

It is not God's order because your gender does not automatically mean you have sense.The primitive men who wrote such are not speaking for God so stop deceiving yourself because every sane person knows that it is an oppression of the female gender.It is not satanic because the people whom the bible is meant for does not apply to me because I am not a Jew.It is not God's order.Read the bible for yourself critically.

Ladyhippolyta88:
It is not God's order because your gender does not automatically mean you have sense.The primitive men who wrote such are not speaking for God so stop deceiving yourself because every sane person knows that it is an oppression of the female gender.It is not satanic because the people whom the bible is meant for does not apply to me because I am not a Jew.It is not God's order.Read the bible for yourself critically.

The world might oppress the female gender but not the church with the love of the Holy Ghost in their hearts...

Lady, it is not about knowledge for we all are ignorant and know little about GOD without the Spirit of God at work in us. God is a respecter of order

bloodofthelamb:


The world might oppress the female gender but not the church with the love of the Holy Ghost in their hearts...

Lady, it is not about knowledge for we all are ignorant and know little about GOD without the Spirit of God at work in us. God is a respecter of order

Go and sit down.I don't argue with apologists.

The OP has trouble distinguishing between man in the flesh and man in the spirit (Galatians 3:28). In the spirit there is no male or female and hence if a woman is in the spirit she can equally do what a man in the spirit can do because spirits are sexless in the sense of gender! Despite being the wife, Manoah's wife got the angelic visitation twice while the less spiritual husband would have had none if the caring wife had not drawn his attention (Judges 13:1-10). Manoah, a man in the flesh, was so ignorant of the things of the spirit that he confused an angel with GOD himself but it was his spiritual wife that educated him properly (Judges 13:15-23). When Josiah needed guidance it was a prophet in the person of Huldah, a woman in the flesh, that interpreted the words of the law and prophesied events to come (2 Kings 22:14-20).

In the spirit, there is no gender. That is why I advice women: if you want to be a mover and a shaker in the ranks of great men then you must develop yourself intellectually and spiritually. These are the two dimensions within which gender plays no role.

if God prohibits women from teaching in church, why did he empower women like Kathryn Khulman, Amiee Semple McPherson? I believe Paul wrote that letter based on his own understanding.

Question: "What roles can women fill in ministry?"

Answer: Women in ministry is an issue upon which Bible-believing Christians can and do disagree. The point of separation centers on the passages of Scripture that forbid women to speak in church or "assume authority over a man" (1 Timothy 2:12; cf. 1 Corinthians 14:34). The disagreement is whether or not those passages were relevant only to the era in which they were penned. Some contend that, since there is neither “Jew nor Greek . . . male nor female . . . but you are all one in Christ” (Galatians 3:28), women are free to pursue any field of ministry open to men. Others hold that 1 Timothy 2:12 still applies today, since the basis for the command is not cultural but universal, being rooted in the order of creation (1 Timothy 2:13-14).

First Peter 5:1-4 details the qualifications for an elder. Presbuteros is the Greek word used sixty-six times in the New Testament to indicate “seasoned male overseer.” It is the masculine form of the word. The feminine form, presbutera, is never used in reference to elders or shepherds. Based on the qualifications found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7, the role of an elder is interchangeable with the bishop/pastor/overseer (Titus 1:6-9; 1 Peter 5:1-3). And since, according to 1 Timothy 2:12, a woman should not “teach or exercise authority over a man,” it seems clear that the position of elders and pastors—who must be equipped to teach, lead the congregation, and oversee their spiritual growth (1 Timothy 3:2)—should be reserved for men only.

However, elder/bishop/pastor appears to be the only office reserved for men. Women have always played a significant role in the growth of the church, even being among the few who witnessed the crucifixion of Christ when most of the disciples had run away (Matthew 27:55; John 19:25). The apostle Paul held women in high regard, and in many of his letters to the churches he greeted specific women by name (Romans 16:6, 12; Colossians 4:15; Philippians 4:2-3; Philemon 1:2). Paul addresses these women as "co-workers," and they clearly served the Lord to the benefit of the whole church (Philippians 4:3; Colossians 4:15).

Offices were created in the early church to fit the needs of the body. Although many modern churches interchange the positions of elder and deacon, they were not the same office. Deacons were appointed to serve in a physical capacity as the need arose (Acts 6:2-3). There is no clear prohibition against women serving in this way. In fact, Romans 16:1 may indicate that a woman named Phoebe was a respected deaconess in the church at Rome.

There is no scriptural precedent that forbids women from also serving as worship leaders, youth ministers, or children’s directors. The only restriction is that they do not assume a role of spiritual authority over adult men. Since the concern in Scripture appears to be the issue of spiritual authority rather than function, any role that does not bestow such spiritual authority over adult men is permissible.

delishpot:
Wahala. I even thought I would find a scripture where Jesus Christ himself said women should be pushed to the back ground. During Jesus time, he NEVER mentioned anything about women not being worthy of preaching. Maybe he did not call them because they were considered properties and he did not want problem for himself. Yet Jesus NEVER turned down women who showed interest in his work. He was never known to push women away or silence them because men are talking.

Was any of his disciples a woman,,, the op is correct you know

Kennyxton:


Onnascus1, u earlier made one good contribution.

Let me add to your words.
The Bible said, Woe to you, O land, when your king is a child... Eccl10:16

I am going to make 2 points.

Point 1

There is a place where a woman pastored in the church. This shows that vast and many vast majority of Christian do not read their scriptures very well.

You compare scriptures with scriptures.
Romans 16:1-2 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant (deacon) of the church in Cenchrea, that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also.


Point 2

The resurrection message was firsted preached by a woman to the apostle.
John 20:15-18 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away." Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher). Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.'" Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] He had spoken these things to her.

Remember, the order is not to be distorted.
God
Christ
Man
Woman.

If anyone feels he needs more information on truth, we can chat on 08024679433

Without holiness, no one can see heaven.
And Unless your righteousness exceeds the scribes and Pharisees, u cannot enter heaven

Grace to you

nice one...I now understand more.

@ the bolded, are you a deeper lifer?

Proudgorgeousga:
like bible like Qur'an misogynistic as hell

The Bible is not misogynistic. Today men have bleeped up and I believe God has taken away the male privilege men once had. As a woman u can be anything u want to be. Partriarchy was the order of the day during biblical times.

Men are largely unfit for Ministry in modern times and should accept that male privilege has now gone to the women folk.

TechGod:
Another fool who thinks he is making sense not knowing he is just fooling himself, who told you God was the one that said women should not be pastors, show me where in the bible God or Jesus Christ said anything like that in the new testament ? Is Apostle Paul God, how can you say what a man said is what God said?... You're a fool and you will die of ignorance and stupidity. How can you In this generation of light open your dirty mouth to talk about things you know clearly nothing about ? mumu thunder will strike you dead for claiming this nonsense as the word of God

Very well said.

solite3:
Question: "What roles can women fill in ministry?"

Answer: Women in ministry is an issue upon which Bible-believing Christians can and do disagree. The point of separation centers on the passages of Scripture that forbid women to speak in church or "assume authority over a man" (1 Timothy 2:12; cf. 1 Corinthians 14:34). The disagreement is whether or not those passages were relevant only to the era in which they were penned. Some contend that, since there is neither “Jew nor Greek . . . male nor female . . . but you are all one in Christ” (Galatians 3:28), women are free to pursue any field of ministry open to men. Others hold that 1 Timothy 2:12 still applies today, since the basis for the command is not cultural but universal, being rooted in the order of creation (1 Timothy 2:13-14).

First Peter 5:1-4 details the qualifications for an elder. Presbuteros is the Greek word used sixty-six times in the New Testament to indicate “seasoned male overseer.” It is the masculine form of the word. The feminine form, presbutera, is never used in reference to elders or shepherds. Based on the qualifications found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7, the role of an elder is interchangeable with the bishop/pastor/overseer (Titus 1:6-9; 1 Peter 5:1-3). And since, according to 1 Timothy 2:12, a woman should not “teach or exercise authority over a man,” it seems clear that the position of elders and pastors—who must be equipped to teach, lead the congregation, and oversee their spiritual growth (1 Timothy 3:2)—should be reserved for men only.

However, elder/bishop/pastor appears to be the only office reserved for men. Women have always played a significant role in the growth of the church, even being among the few who witnessed the crucifixion of Christ when most of the disciples had run away (Matthew 27:55; John 19:25). The apostle Paul held women in high regard, and in many of his letters to the churches he greeted specific women by name (Romans 16:6, 12; Colossians 4:15; Philippians 4:2-3; Philemon 1:2). Paul addresses these women as "co-workers," and they clearly served the Lord to the benefit of the whole church (Philippians 4:3; Colossians 4:15).

Offices were created in the early church to fit the needs of the body. Although many modern churches interchange the positions of elder and deacon, they were not the same office. Deacons were appointed to serve in a physical capacity as the need arose (Acts 6:2-3). There is no clear prohibition against women serving in this way. In fact, Romans 16:1 may indicate that a woman named Phoebe was a respected deaconess in the church at Rome.

There is no scriptural precedent that forbids women from also serving as worship leaders, youth ministers, or children’s directors. The only restriction is that they do not assume a role of spiritual authority over adult men. Since the concern in Scripture appears to be the issue of spiritual authority rather than function, any role that does not bestow such spiritual authority over adult men is permissible.

And what makes the men folk so special? It was said in Leviticus that the unclothedness of each woman belongs to her husband yet today women walk around half naked and get away with it. So that scripture is no longer effective because marriage is no longer as relevant as it once was.

Same goes for male privilege. It was once the case that women should not do watever ober men this was predicated on the assumption that men would be responsible.

But today look at wat men do: 419, looting government funds, kidnapping, murder, one chance, idolatry (treating woman as god).

It's hard for men to swallow and hurts the pride bit today a woman can authority over man in church.

2ScrewsLoose:
Was any of his disciples a woman,,, the op is correct you know

God had power to birth Son of God anyhow He wanted but chose through woman to show female superiority of men in spiritual matters.

Read punch vanguard and guardian then look in ur local community check all the evil men do including sexual assault by pastors. Then check against women.

Then look at the prideful hearts of most African men. See how they denigrate women on this thread based on their supposed eternal privilege.

Then tell me who should lead churches men or women.

By the time most men realize the male privilege they are so quick to quote from the bible is gone, the better for them.

Correct!!! That is the reason BUHARI push them to kitchen n order room.

2ScrewsLoose:
Was any of his disciples a woman,,, the op is correct you know

Did a man not betray Christ? And was it not woman that birthed Christ physically. Christ chose 12 disciples then because partriarchy was the order of the day then not now.

Feminism is a divinely inspired movement to correct the gender imbalance that male disappointment of God has caused.

Rajosh:
if God prohibits women from teaching in church, why did he empower women like Kathryn Khulman, Amiee Semple McPherson? I believe Paul wrote that letter based on his own understanding.

Exactly. And secondly go to most churches today. The churches are filled with women and very few men. God uses whoever is available.

Also note most men want to stand on the pulpit not becos they want to be faithful followers of Christ but due to the prestige.

emperorzz:
but bros , the scripture was clear enough. there was no where the exception of a man giving authority to a woman was mentioned. there is a simple way Jesus lead... "take the word of God like little children.. it doesn't help much trying to solve it like it's an equation.

It seems plain, but it isn't. That's Paul. Peter attested to it in 2 Peter 3:15-16. I see intent.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Go and sit down.I don't argue with apologists.

I am an apologist of the truth..

bloodofthelamb:


I am an apologist of the truth..

Read your history before coming here to talk truth.Like I said I don't argue with apologists.

Oh

Ladyhippolyta88:
Read your history before coming here to talk truth.Like I said I don't argue with apologists.

Ok!

Theboss100:

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for[b] it is a shame for women to speak in the church[/b].

Then they should not even help you sing praises and worship if they are not permitted to speak. Perhaps you should read the whole chapter... Like I said, it still pinpoints spiritual protocol and order of not usurping. Check all the bolded... Paul was rebuking the lack of order in the Corinthians church...women are not to usurp that authority. They have to be given the clearance, especially when it comes to doctrinal issues...some, I perceive, because of their spiritual office don't want to be under obedience...breaking the spiritual order of gender creation... So, Paul said, let them keep shut. It is a shame, let them ask their husbands. These are married folks. If you cannot submit to your husband, you don't have the right to speak in the gathering of the saints. A wife must first be the husband's convert, and whatever she is saying must have been through the teaching of the husband--who is the priest of his household. Paul explained better to Timothy.

the op is right,Christ practiced this too,the 12 disciples never had a woman. women can prophesy not pastoring. how can a woman lay hand on a man to anoint him while she may be unclean during her period?
women are not to pastor church.