₦airaland Forum

Sanchez01:
I don't understand if English is the problem here or something; Delta is not the Homeland of Igbos in the state, largely because they were ceded to it. They were 'forcefully' moved. It's almost the same as someone who migrated because he was settled somewhere before being removed. Beyond being a blend of Igboid and Edoid groups, should the ceded parts be returned today, then it becomes an Edoid state.

It's just like a part of Abia that was ceded to Rivers. You cannot say Rivers is their homeland because doing so makes a mockery of your thought processes. They are indeginous, yes, but the fact remains that they were removed from their rightful place to where they are today (Obigbo).

I am not interested in the citizenship/naturalisation debate here. It is one thing overrunning a people and taking their lands, as the Fulanis did the Hausas, it is another thing becoming settlers in a place just because it was never claimed or occupied as at the time it was found, and it is another to have a people ceded to another part.

Again, Delta State is not the homeland of Igboid groups in the state, just as Spain is not the homeland of Catalonia. The same way you cannot tell me Bayelsa is homeland to the Ofonis and Anibezes. If you don't know this, you can't know it as there is no forcing it.

PS: Perhaps you have never thought of it, but it is crucial to understand the 'HOW' of a people before describing wherever they are as their homeland.

Henryjr:
Trash! We only have urhobo community(Ofoni) in bayelsa which happens to be in my LGA(sagbama). Whatever set of people u see in bayelsa only went there for economic purposes as tenants and pay dues to the landlords.

People in bayelsa:
Main ijaw speakers
Ogbia ijaws
Epie Ijaws
N an urhobo community

Afam4eva:
Now, i'm convinced more than ever before that you're not bright.

Which state were Anioma before ceded from? Was there Delta state before they were ceded? When did Delta or even Bendel state start existing?

No part of Abia state were ceded to Rivers because Rivers is an artificial creation. Isn't Rivers state made up different groups? Is there a single tribe in Rivers state that can be said to be the real Rivers tribe. Put your brain to good use.

Your analogy of Catalonia and Spain is also illiterate because Spain is a country and can be made up of different ethnic groups of which Catalonia is one. Not everyone who is from Spain is ethnically Spanish.

Sanchez01:
[s]How you turn a thread on its head with your tribalism laced remarks is amazing.

States are 'artificial creation', yet terminologies subtly used to classify a people abound, particularly in the East, just as some other parts of the country. Or wouldn't it be better if I classify you as Wawa just to point out that you are most likely from Enugu or Ebonyi, thereby limiting the chances of your state of origin?

There is a saying mostly by the Yorubas that 'a farm cannot belong to a father and his son without defining boundaries'. States may have been artificially created, but then again, bulk of its reason is to define bothers and territories.

It might not be a big deal when an Igbo man does an exposé, claiming Igbos founded or dwelt in Southern Kaduna long before the Fulanis got into Nigeria or even before the first Hausa man was born, but it is not the same for the Urhobos/Isokos as we are not really known from running or leaving our homeland in droves. Regardless of how neighbouring the state is, it is always an area of interest for us as we are a small, though distinct group. We are not 'strollers' by nature[/s]

Sanchez01:
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Afam, I get you loud and clear. Abi is it not you again?

Going by the emboldened, it is quite a sight to predict where you'd land just before you get there. If Delta State isn't the homeland of the Isoko people, I sure believe it is Enugu or Imo as you'd soon get there.

You still don't understand a thing here as the first thing you should be asking is 'HOW did they get to Bayelsa?' An Urhobo man sees an Isoko man as his cousin and blood because the similarity is amazing, save for the language which slightly differs. We don't stray out of the pack normally, so when it happens or when a tribe or group within the Isoko/Urhobo/Itsekiri nation is uncovered and found out to be away from Delta state, it begs certain questions in our minds.

You can't just air opinions anyhow without understanding how a people see their homeland and their relatives. We are closely knitted and so is our land. An indigenous group of the tribe elsewhere, NO MATTER HOW CLOSE THE STATE IT IS IN IS a whole lot of big deal to us.

Perhaps you made a mistake with the emboldened, safe to say Delta State is not the homeland of Igbos in the state, we understand this because it was political, all thanks to Babaginda and his other friends.

Here's an aside: States are artificial creations does not give your people the rights to lay claims to Lagos. In the end, you can only 'roam' and act like you have a stake. Should there be a turn around, every Lagos developer would be forced to recognise his or her homeland. This is the way we see our people who are said to be outside of Delta state[/s].

Efewestern:
Funny enough most ijaws just deny the fact that Other ethnic groups were carved into bayelsa state, reason I keep documenting each and every of our land in that state, for future references.

You already know what's going on in Benin and Aldja

Afam4eva:
You know, when people say things like "The Isoko tribe is Bayelsa" or "The Igbo tribe in Benue or Kogi", i really don't unerstand what they mean when you consider that states are actually an artificial creation. I don't see a big deal in an Isoko tribe in a state that shares boundary with Delta state where Isokos are majorly situated. It will be a big deal if i find an Isoko or Urhobo tribe somewhere in Benue or Zamfara or even in Ghana.

Afam4eva:
Now, i'm convinced more than ever before that you're not bright.

Which state were Anioma before ceded from? Was there Delta state before they were ceded? When did Delta or even Bendel state start existing?

No parts of Abia state were ceded to Rivers because Rivers is an artificial creation. Isn't Rivers state made up different groups? Is there a single tribe in Rivers state that can be said to be the real Rivers tribe. Put your brain to good use.

Your analogy of Catalonia and Spain is also illiterate because Spain is a country and can be made up of different ethnic groups of which Catalonia is one. Not everyone who is from Spain is ethnically Spanish.

Sanchez01:
I don't understand if English is the problem here or something; Delta is not the Homeland of Igbos in the state, largely because they were ceded to it. They were 'forcefully' moved. It's almost the same as someone who migrated because he was settled somewhere before being removed. Beyond being a blend of Igboid and Edoid groups, should the ceded parts be returned today, then it becomes an Edoid state.

It's just like a part of Abia that was ceded to Rivers. You cannot say Rivers is their homeland because doing so makes a mockery of your thought processes. They are indeginous, yes, but the fact remains that they were removed from their rightful place to where they are today (Obigbo).

I am not interested in the citizenship/naturalisation debate here. It is one thing overrunning a people and taking their lands, as the Fulanis did the Hausas, it is another thing becoming settlers in a place just because it was never claimed or occupied as at the time it was found, and it is another to have a people ceded to another part.

Again, Delta State is not the homeland of Igboid groups in the state, just as Spain is not the homeland of Catalonia. The same way you cannot tell me Bayelsa is homeland to the Ofonis and Anibezes. If you don't know this, you can't know it as there is no forcing it.

PS: Perhaps you have never thought of it, but it is crucial to understand the 'HOW' of a people before describing wherever they are as their homeland.

Efewestern:
Sanchez01 hope you see what am saying, how ignorant can one be.

And to think I was defending this lots last year during the Edo land saga beats me, am now beginning to see why people call them land grabber.

BininKingdom:
You sound dumb, If Delta state in not home for Igboid then it's home for nobody

Afam4eva:
You know, when people say things like "The Isoko tribe in Bayelsa" or "The Igbo tribe in Benue or Kogi", i really don't unerstand what they mean when you consider that states are actually an artificial creation. I don't see a big deal in an Isoko tribe in a state that shares boundary with Delta state where Isokos are majorly situated. It will be a big deal if i find an Isoko or Urhobo tribe somewhere in Benue or Zamfara or even in Ghana.

oz4real83:
OP please do your research properly. If it means enquiring from the old men and women in the villages,please do. ''Isoko'' has the full name ''isoko-edo'' which means ''a branch of edo''. They have never been a branch of urhobo although they have language similarity which is as a result of geographical proximity. Isoko like many other groups in Nigeria,are branches of edo and were parts of the great Benin empire.

Afam4eva:
You obviously did not get the memo before accusing me of tribalism which is what you're very good at.

Delta state is not the homeland of Isoko people even though most Isoko people can be found in Delta state. The reason is because those that carved Delta state made it so. I dont see a big deal in having an Isoko tribe living in another artificial creation in Bayelsa without considering the fact that Bayelsa is just a stone throw from where Isokos are situated in Delta sate. They could even be contiguous to each other. It' just like saying that there's an Igbo tribe in Asaba outside the south-east as if Igbos are limited to the artificial creation that is south-east Nigeria.

Sanchez01:
I might be hasty but I'd love to go with the natural land grabbing strength of the 'Fulanis in the South South'. These lands must have been ceded to them after a long tussle.

Apart from the government not paying attention to them, I doubt their political strength in Bayelsa, which would be a disadvantage. Something similar as this play out in Rivers now whereby a particular tribe (mum) is totally sidelined and regarded as inconsequential. Since 2012 till date, I'd love to believe the Bayelsa state government does not give a hoot about the Anibezes.

Afam4eva:
What you;re implying in essence is that ethnic group are associated with specific states? Your Lagos analogy is ridiculous because even though by law, you can become a citizen (resident etc) of Lagos, it does not take away the fact that any Igbo presence in Lagos is only recent and they are not indigenous to the area known as Lagos today.

The part of Delta state where Igbos are located is one of the homelands of Igbos. They did not migrate there recently. They've been there just as long as people in Onitsha have been in Onitsha or those in owerri. It;s because people don't understand issues such as these, that's why you hear some ignorant Deltans say ludicrous statements such as "Anioma people shoudld leave Delta state and go back to the east" without realizing that they did not migrate there. That's their land and far back as we can remember. It's just like people from Benin Republic telling the Yorubas there to migrate back to Nigeria. if you don't get what i'm driving at then your ignorance is out of this world.

thewatcher2020:
Professor Obaro Ikime (Late) -an indigene of Erohwa in Isoko South Local Government.

Growing up, he once lived in Anibeze. [Facts]

nowpresence:
you are just senseless

nowpresence:
you are just senseless

oz4real83:
that is the first way of recognising a chronic illiterate. Chronic illiterates always resort to insults instead of presenting facts and proofs to either back or oppose an opinion. Continue in your ignorance. I.d.i.o.t.