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Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 12:02am On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Family good. I used to go church, to figure what you all went for. Did 12 years of it but found it not to be catching. So I only go once in a while, mostly special occasions. Went Saturday week though. Had a meeting with the Bishop of Woolwich. He's Nigerian. Nice man. Told him I'm posting a picture on the internet of him washing my cup. He laughed. Yeah, I read it years ago. What'd you make of it? |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 10:33am On Feb 26, 2018 |
budaatum:Let me hear what you make of the book first, as am still reading it. Do you believe what he says? |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 11:01am On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone: |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 11:05am On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone: budaatum:Church in its original sense has nothing to do with designated buildings. That's is not what the ekklesia concept means and/or even why Jesus adopted it |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 11:18am On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:What do you want to call the assemblage where we agree to meet to exhort and be exhorted? The Church is not a building but the gathering of believers with a common goal. That's what i meant. We are told not to neglect that Assembly, what do you call that Assembly? |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by vaxx: 12:19pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
budaatum:what happen to you in the year 1332 ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 12:52pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:What has budaatum being the last couple of days, if not possibly weeks opening threads? Were his threads for a communion of atheists? Or maybe to engage the gathering of atheists? Which gathering responds to his threads? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 1:05pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Can we call what we are doing here a Church? But Budaatum said he is an atheist, not a Christian. He is opposed to what he posts here, so we can't call this a gathering of the faithfuls. He is here trying to make us see why what we believe is a fraud, for us to abandon it as he has, and join him in his unbelief. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 1:14pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Oooookay. So taking a leaf from budaatum or as budaatum would have asked What is church, fundamentally and originally what is church? |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 1:15pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:It is very detailed and convincing. The best heaven and hell I've come across yet. But no, I don't believe such a place exists. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 2:13pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:How can I be opposed to what I post here? Emmanystone:Really?! When I did go to Church, I joined Bible Study. We read Luke, going through it section by section, and I learnt a great deal about the practises of a Christian. Everyone knew I was an atheist in the group. Belief never came into it. I think everyone should go through a course of Luke. I met this blind old man there who became a very good friend of mine. He described himself as a Church of England member and not a Christian. At every study, soon as anyone said "Only through Christ shall one enter the Kingdom of God", he would jump down their throats. "What about Hindus, Muslims"? And 'looking' towards me, "atheists?" he would ask. I used to tell him that that was the belief of Christians, but he would accuse me of not preaching my atheism! Now, there was this woman, the kindest simplest person you could imagine, so full of love. I'd ask my blind old friend if he thinks I should preach my atheism to her. His response was, "that would be cruel, as it would be like taking away that which comforts her". I agreed. I do not require anyone to abandon what they believe if they so wish to stick to it. I strongly hold the position that a faith held by knowing is far superior than one held by belief. I say what I say knowing those who can handle it will, and those who can't will ignore it. I am asking you to abandon your beliefs and know, instead. For it is written that, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. And after they have reigned they will rest." 1 Like |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 2:25pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
budaatum: What a brilliant post. Me liked |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 5:56pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
budaatum:Do you believe in YHWH? Is the Bible true to you? YHWH will be your God, and the Bible will be your guide if you are not oppoaed to what you posts here. budaatum:Question is, why do you go to church if you are an atheist? You just study the Bible so that what will happen, as an atheist? Very funny. It's like saying, as a Christian, i shd once in a while join in the masquerade festivals in my community, the question of belief shd not come in while i eat their food sacrificed to idols. budaatum:The blind is a member of a Church, but not a Christian, just like you are a member but also not a Christian.lol. The question i'll ask the blind old man is, 'what is the name of the God the muslims and Hindus worship? Infact, do Hindus worship a supreme being or they believe a circle of lives makes them supreme beings? Well, in a way, you are preaching atheism by opposing the Scriptures. Let your old blind friend know that. budaatum:Oh, why will your blind friend consider atheism as something cruel which will take away ones joy or comfort? He accused you of not preaching your belief, then someone came on to who you could bring into your fold, yet your blind friend said No? If i may ask, if you were to preach atheism to her, what would you have offered her to make her abandon what gave her so much joy and the essence of love? What is in atheism for her? budaatum:Believe me when i tell you that i know in whom i have believed. Christianity is not a blind faith sir. I didn't walk into something that is not varifiable. If this wasn't real, i won't be here subjecting myself to all i' doing right now. If it is what others tell me about without me having a first hand experience, believe me, i won't be here. The Holy Spirit is a person and He speaks to those who are subject to Him. He speaks to me offen. Someone asked me why Couples shd abstain from sex during fasting prayer if sex was not carnal, i didn't have answers to that, when i asked Him, the answer He gave blew my mind. Only Him could give such an answer. He is real. budaatum:Sorry, i can't abandon what i already know. You can't tell me about what i believe because you don't have an idea what it is. 'Knowing' is a process. It is the stage of maturity in Christ, but it begins by hearing, then accepting, then believing before you can get to the realm of knowledge.if you don't first believed that what you are hearing is true how can you search the mind of God to know Him? He that comes to Him must first believe that He Is, then knowledge through revelation will come. 1 Like |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 6:52pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
budaatum:I see. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 6:54pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:The gathering of the faithfuls having a common goal, which is to worship, praise, and be exhorted. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 7:15pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, a small rock and upon the large rock I will build my congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones}, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her - Mark 16:18 I hear you sis. Thank you. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 7:25pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Care to share the answer with all. Sharing and giving are the ways of God Emmanystone:Hmm, word. Oro niyen. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 7:46pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I think i should open a thread about it, let's hear from more people. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 8:11pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Bros, pls come in here. https://www.nairaland.com/4369732/sex-marriage-carnal Budaatum you too. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 8:13pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Pls explanation to the bolded. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by MuttleyLaff: 8:21pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:"Oro" loosely means "word" "Niyen" loosely means "that is" so "oro niyen" means "that is word" It's used when making a complimentary remark |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 8:28pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Oh, okay. Pls come over to the other side. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 9:15pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:And that may be good enough for some. I however live by a different standard. When I began going to church. It was found that there were lots of Sri Lankans and Bangladeshi people in the Parish. Many were Muslim immigrants who spoke no English and we wondered how to bring 'Christ' to them. So we set up an English School to teach them. There was argument about converting them at the same time, but it was eventually understood that there should be no preaching in the classes. If the spirit caught them, they can go to church on Sunday. There was this one lady who attended and never spoke much. She'd been in the country 10 years, spoke no English, lived with her mother in law who practically imprisoned her while her husband was back home with her children. She was sad, but two years later, she'd come out of her shell, applied for citizenship and got her children to join her. You should see the happiness in her the day she told us they had arrived. She eventually went on to volunteer helping others in the class. Would you argue that we did not bring 'Christ' into her life? I put it to you that the "gathering of the faithfuls" should be to build the Kingdom of God here on Earth. Some may chose to "worship, praise, and be exhorted", while some may chose to do their god thing by doing "unto one of the least of these my brethren". 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 10:57pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:First, if one believes in YHWH, one would not worship images of him. I put it to you that the Bible is an image. Some would argue that God is written into the Fabric of the Universe. But, apart from that, YHWH breathed himself into mud and buda appeared, so why go outside God's dwelling to seek God outside? Also, it is written in Deuteuronomy, "that people do not live by bread alone; but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD shall man live". God is a Spirit and the Bible is not God. It is a very dim reflection of God, at best an image that is made true when one breathes life into it. Emmanystone:For the same reason a medical doctor may study history. So as to know about it. Human beings are defined by what they worship. So in order to understand them, one like me would learn to understand their Gods. So I go to their schools and attend their lessons. Emmanystone:Yes, I would say so, if you wanted to understand them. In fact, I would go further. Here you are 'sacrificing' with an atheist. I bet you would understand me better for doing so. I have a piece of land by the Owala River in the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun. I do join in when a white ram is sacrificed to it once a year. We also have Odun Ade which I participate in, as well as the annual festivals for Ogun and Obatala. When I am in Rome, I am a Roman. When you are in Rome, you remain Emmanystone. We differ that way. Perhaps we have different missions on earth. Emmanystone:I am the atheist. He was (died last year aged 89), Church of England. When he died, the Sun went dark and the birds, squirrels and foxes in his garden all wept. He was such a generous kind man that if he is not in heaven, heaven would be bankrupt of people. Emmanystone:He believed in a Universal God of All Beings, out of which different groups have carved out their own understanding and parochialised it. He found YHWH to be some parochialised petty God of the Christians. Emmanystone:I did not preach atheism. Nor do I oppose scripture. I advocate for an understanding of the text, and an abandoning of belief. The Jews had belief when Christ came. No work on the Sabbath, wash your hands; love your neighbours but not those nasty Samaritans, Tax Collectors and Gentiles etc. Christ poopooed their beliefs and said "You hypocrites who purify the outside but bother not about the inside". Emmanystone:My friend did not think atheism would be cruel. It is I who think it would be cruel to take away her comfort blanket. I described her as simple. And even with her God she is still distressed. The Buddha taught in the Four Noble Truths that "life is suffering "caused by greed or desire". This is what the simple woman does that causes her distress. She clings on to beliefs which cause her distress. She might benefit from abandoning those beliefs, but I am not her Messiah. She would never get her head around a no-god existence, and I have no gain in taking her comforting blanket from her. Besides, atheism is not a god, but a way of thinking and the assumptions it is based on. Emmanystone:Belief involves the acceptance of the facts as given. It is why it is written, "Even the devils believe" to which I add, 'so what's the virtue in that?' People who believe tend to assume that they know already. It is not how you would be taught in school. In school, they teach one to be critical. It is by being critical that one acquires understanding which enables one to build on ones knowledge and to make use of it. And I am disagreeing with you about 'knowing', unless you mean, 'becoming aware of', which is not the same as understanding. Historians may know about (be aware of) doctoring but they can hardly perform brain surgery. In order for the historian to perform brain surgery, they must have a different level of 'knowing' which requires an understanding of various diverse things which is way more than just being aware of how it is done. (And though you may be thinking, that is what you are accusing me of, do consider that I insist.) I repeat, the Pharisees believed, and Jesus poopooed on them and their beliefs. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 11:07pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:I agree, I can't tell you "about what you believe", only you can tell me that. But I can make you understand how I see it however. You will let me know when you have had enough. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 7:13am On Feb 27, 2018 |
budaatum:Yes indeed, that is why i asked your thought about the book. I now understand how you see things. We are at divergent positions. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by Emmanystone: 9:06am On Feb 27, 2018 |
How is the Bible and image of YHWH? And who worahips it? budaatum:In other words, you worship yourself since YHWH's breath is in you and that makes you YHWH? budaatum:What has this got to do with anything? budaatum:God is a Spirit but that Spirit is not God? Who is that spirit then? Or, you are referring to a different Spirit altogether? budaatum:I see. Will that be because you'd need to proof to God that He is wrong when you meet Him, that is if He exists? budaatum:Hence; to understand Christians you go to their worship centres, not becos you care about what they do there but just for observation? That's interesting. budaatum:Yes indeed, when in Rome i remain Emmanystone that is because the One in me owns all the earth's territory. Who He is here in Orulo Kingdom, is who He is in Rome. Odun can not be Odun in Rome, that's why you'd need to assimilate to Rome. YHWH remains constant and consistent here and there. And, Yes, i understand them alright. Believe me when i tell you, i do. I have read about the Yoruba Cosmology and Mythology, so i know. I don't need to join them in their sacrifices with blood to know who they are and what they are about. budaatum:Yeah right. That'll only be if YHWH is led by emotions and a respected of men. Generosity without the Life Christ only gives is dead already, no way out of it. He confessed to being a non-Christian. He stood for no God in particular. He believed all Ways leads to God, he stood for nothing. We do not enter for our Deeds on earth, No, we enter heaven because we have a New Nature of Christ. That is the body, the essence we need require to enter heaven, not generosity. Evil men are philanthropists to those they want to be, they won't enter heaven for that. I could refer to the book you sent me, but you said you don't believe it, so i'd let it be. Apst Paul says, 'If i am generous to the point of giving all my earthly goods to the poor and if i still feel i need to do more, give my body to be burnt for others, without love, i am nothing and that act profits me nothing. Who rewards with profits? God. And His creed is Love. Loving his way, not the way you choose. You can't love man if you don't first love God for you'll not know it. If you love God, you'd keep His commandments, and he didn't. because, if he understood an ounce of what it meant to be a Christian, he wouldn't chide you for not spread unbelief in Christ.(O well, he wasn't a Christian). Anyone with the slightest of underatand of why Christ came, will encourage you to accept the free gift of the New life and Nature Chriat came to give, without which you'd be locked out of his presence. budaatum:Lolzzzzz. Yet you opined that if Heaven does not admit him, she will be bankrupt. He never believed in Jesus whose presence he would be admitted into, so he will be admitted to the presence of the 'God of all Beings'nah. No shakes. Since YHWH is parochial and Petty, he shall go to a God who is not Parochial and Petty, for we must all go to somewhere, whether or not we believe it. budaatum:I see, you promote the Letter, but not the Spirit of the Word? That sounds like preaching Materialsm. That sounds like what satan would do, for if we take the text 'Letter' and not the believe, Spirit, we will be denying the Power of Christ. Satan likes that very much. Wow Keeping men perpertually in the flesh not knowing their spiritual aspect. Imgenious. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. No sir. Without the Spirit, there's no life. budaatum:How does what Christ stood for not belief but Text? What the Jews did is what you advocte here. Text, not Believe. They dwelled on the Letter of the Word, which was following strictly what was written, but not knowing or taking into mind WHY it was written. The Jews were overtaken by traditions and forgot or drifted from the Spirit. The Letter killeth, but the Spirit gives Life. Everthing YHWH gave is Spiritual and without believe it's useless and you want us useless. budaatum:In otherwords, you know that if she becomes an atheist, she will loose her comfort or Joy? You just admitted that atheism is crulty and atheists are unhappy people. And pls don't tell me you have joy becos you don't. You can never know it until Christ gives it, and if you have it, i bet my life on this, you won't be an atheist for a minute. budaatum:Are you saying she was a Christian but practiced the Four Noble Truths of Buddha? You are not being direct here. You discribed her as the swertest happy woman ever, except your use of simplicity means she was stupid. And if she wasn't striaght, why then will you use such a woman to best discribe the state of a Christian? What really is distressing her? What beliefs did you want her to drop? The Four Noble Truths of Buddha or the Christian beliefs? If she was a Christian, or rather a Church goer, who practiced Buddhism, will you discribe her as a Christian? budaatum:Meaning there's nothing intrinsic to gain from being an atheist abi? If there is, what is it? budaatum:Maybe if you had read the whole verse you'd have seen the virtue. The Devils believes that Jesus is God and they trembles at that knowlegde or fact. Why do they tremble? They know what will happen to them at the end if it all. Hence; they cried out, Leave us alone, foe our time has not come'. Time for what? Anyone on the aide of satan is restless. budaatum:We do not assume we know, or mistaking misplace believe for knowledge. Like i said before, you believe first before maturing to knowing. No one is born with knowledge. We are born Tabular Rasa, but with observation, and tutulage, comes growth which projects us to knowledge. Not all believers in God knows Him, that's why they doubt Him. But with age comes growth then knowledge. Sir, we reason and are enjoined to critize and reason. YHWH demands that we his followers 'Come so that we can reason together (debate) Isaiah 1:18 He said we shd present our strong point (debate). Isa 41:21. What will you call that? We are not called into what we do not have a say. If you have something to say, then present your cause. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 1:40pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone: My thoughts about the book are irrelevant. You can't claim that by reading the book you have not learnt something about your own beliefs. It is a very convincing and compelling book. One you'll forever remember buda for. Regarding your longer response. I read all you've written. And it boils down to one simple sentence, "buda has a demon in him". That's how divergent we are. So I say, amen. |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 2:01pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Sounds to me like you are taking for true what you heard or read about "my sort", and disregarding the evidence you see with your own eyes! Is it not the joy that is in me that made you regard me in the first place? You may believe what you want about me, God or anything you like for that matter. But at least base the ones about me on some evidence! I never said "atheism is cruelty and atheists are unhappy people". And I don't appreciate my words being twisted in this way. It is the silly way that immature people, both atheists and theists, use on here when they do that 'my dick is bigger than your dick' thing that they do. I try to refrain from it as it is ungodly! |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by TheSourcerer: 7:57am On Jun 29, 2020 |
budaatum:Now in 2020 , where do you think our existence /beign goes or resides when we die ? My Answer The same way we knew nothing before we were born so would it be after we die , darkness and blankness Hbu |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum: 9:59am On Jun 30, 2020 |
TheSourcerer:It's like wondering what one's grandchild knows before one has one's first child. Lol. We can't know anything before you were born because you did not exist before you were born. And your brain function stops once you're dead, so you can't possibly continue to know even what you knew before you died. I learnt this morning that my once a week chess partner of almost 15 years died after a brief illness. If only we could do 1. d4 Nf6 from the grave. 1 Like |
Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by TheSourcerer: 10:04am On Jun 30, 2020 |
budaatum:sorry about your chess partner , Omg omg I love chess! I love Chess! How can we play? Again sorry he died 1 Like 2 Shares |
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