ibtz:


but jesus responded

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John:10:35


in dat verse john 10:34 "is it not written in your law that ye are gods " meaning why do u take my words literally when it is also in your law dat ye are gods and u do not take it in its literal sense.

Can u see d CONTRADICTIONS

Vecto:

No point here at all.

Firstly you are cherry picking verses out of context. If you read the context of the verses you cited you'd see that it's about God refusing to share his glory with idols and fallen gods.

Jesus requested to be glorified. This negates your argument. You don't request for something you already have and isn't it awkward that this same glory was given to the disciples?

Read it and weep..

John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

HerXLNC:
GOD exist in three forms: God the father, God the son, God the holyspirit.... TRINITY : The trinity is a mystery....during the water baptism of Jesus by John... There was a voice from heaven saying : Matthew 3:17 KJV
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

U can't unravel the mystery behind the TRINITY

in the old testaments...sacrifice involves blood and for the sin of the world to be forgiven and grace to abound there's a need for sacrifice of blood.... only one person blood can be shed for that cause hence God the son (Jesus) needed to come in human form to pay the price

Marleek:
@ alBHAGDADI You claim Jesus is God right? So I have a question for you. When Jesus was crucified, who was running the show? Who was in charge of the heavens and the earth? Please do reply.

Olifiz:


The fact that another voice spoke during the baptism depicts they are different entities. The voice even said “this is my son in which I am well pleased” the voice didn’t say this is ME and I am well pleased. Jesus never preached trinity, the first century Christians didn’t preach it, he’s disciples didn’t preach it

alBHAGDADI:
That shows you how an Awesome King our God is. Even if He's on Earth, He's still on His throne. He's everywhere, unlike the earthly king whose throne becomes vacant when he goes to war.

Topestbilly:
I like the fact that you confirmed the authenticity of the Quran.

But while you were doing your research you skipped some suras which i have helped you dug out.

Maybe you can give us further explanations.

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I [/b]will take thee and raise thee to [b]Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (3:55, Yusif Ali)


The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. (3:59, Yusif Ali)



That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)

efficiencie:


Oh you accept that Jesus is the Son of God...or do you also reject John 3; 16...If Jesus is the only begotten of GOD then Jesus is one with GOD and that makes Jesus GOD! Very simple but you can never ever believe that...but you want others to accept that Mohammed received revelations from an angel in a cave without proof...

Olifiz:


So u mean while Jesus was on earth and gettin baptized he was the one who sent the Holy Spirit to himself and spoke the words “this is my son, my beloved”. Just continue

alBHAGDADI:
He cast aside His glory in heaven and wore a corrupt human form. That form was the manifestation of God on earth just as God manifested in a burning bush to Moses. That manifestation had to be baptized. Why?

Because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, He had to subject Himself to baptism so that we all can follow His footstep. That was why John the baptist wondered why Jesus was coming to him for baptism when he suppose to go to Jesus for baptism of fire. What did Jesus say? He said He has to fulfill all righteousness that's why He's getting baptized. And that's why we get baptized like Christ for us to be like Him and to be called Christians.

efficiencie:


The contradictions you see are those from a heart that will not believe...no matter how clear the Bible may be you will never believe. Believing implies accepting without proof or evidence but you want a Christian to provide evidence for his belief whereas even you do not have evidence for your beliefs...For example! A muslim said a man can marry up to four wives, then I asked him why four, why not three, why not ten, why not hundred, why not one, why four? His response was; I DO NOT KNOW! Now even the muslim simply accepted a doctrine as true though he has no real reason for accepting it...but these same muslims fight the Christians for accepting that Jesus is GOD without evidence or proof. That is what I call inter-religious hypocrisy!

alBHAGDADI:


It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words. I will only make comment on one question u asked that muslim should show u where in d Quaran verse that says Jesus was born by a virgin pls kindly look up for quaran chapte 3 vs 47 and quaran chapter 19 vs 20. I think dis will guide u small

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

Olifiz:


The fact that another voice spoke during the baptism depicts they are different entities. The voice even said “this is my son in which I am well pleased” the voice didn’t say this is ME and I am well pleased. Jesus never preached trinity, the first century Christians didn’t preach it, he’s disciples didn’t preach it

musicwriter:


Even if you find somewhere in the bible where Jesus says "I am God worship me" that doesn't make it true.

The bible was written from over 40 years after Jesus died. Jesus did not write a sentence in the bible. Rome wrote it based on a construct to place you in the predicament you are today whereby LOGIC would be suspended in favour of dogmatism.

alBHAGDADI:
He cast aside His glory in heaven and wore a corrupt human form. That form was the manifestation of God on earth just as God manifested in a burning bush to Moses. That manifestation had to be baptized. Why?

Because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, He had to subject Himself to baptism so that we all can follow His footstep. That was why John the baptist wondered why Jesus was coming to him for baptism when he suppose to go to Jesus for baptism of fire. What did Jesus say? He said He has to fulfill all righteousness that's why He's getting baptized. And that's why we get baptized like Christ for us to be like Him and to be called Christians.

ibtz:

Yea u can believe without evidence.
Lol, why believe in 1 contradiction over another.

Lol and about d issue of 4 wives, the evidence is revealed in the Quran. in Quran 4:3

And give orphans their properties, and do not substitute the bad for the good. And do not consume their properties by combining them with yours, for that would be a serious sin.
[Quran, 4:2]



If you fear you cannot act fairly towards the orphans—then marry the women you like—two, or three, or four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then one, or what you already have. That makes it more likely that you avoid bias.
[Quran, 4:3]

alBHAGDADI:

lalasticlala please move this to front page so as to educate my Christian brothers.

Thank you

mabea:
Now answer this question: What makes you educated?

efficiencie:


That is not a proof bro...that is just a statement lifted out of a book...just as John 3: 16 is also a statement lifted out of a book and not a proof...you accept your suras are true and I accept my verses as true and we both have one thing in common we both do not have verifiable and testable evidence to substantiate our claims! We both accept our religion by faith and not by evidence...so Mr Muslim be content with your religion while I am content with mine...the end will tell the truth because truth outlives all lies!

efficiencie:


Stephen was a first century Christian and he recognized the trinity.

Act 7:55  But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,  And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 

Jesus preached baptism in the trinity without which you cannot be saved!

Matthew 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mark 16:16  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 

Peter the disciple of Jesus, preached the Trinity

Act 2:32-33  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost , he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 

So sir, you see that you error is borne out of making remarks about a belief you do not hold. If you do not believe in Jesus then do not bother about the Bible because no matter what the Bible says you will never believe. The prophets spoke of people like you:

Romans 11:8-10  (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Maximus85:


Actually, it is you who needs to be taught. Did Jesus actually said he is God? When he was teaching his disciples to pray, How did he start? or Was he praying to himself? The night before he was killed, he was afraid and he went to a quiet place to kneel and pray to himself abi? Jesus said he didnt come to do his will but the will of the one who sent him. He said the father is greater than he is. Colossians 1:15 shows that Jesus has a beginning. He was referred to as the first born of all creation. God even GAVE him a name above all names. When Jesus returned to the heaven, he sat down at the right hand of someone, abi he was sitting at the right hand of himself? The bible refer to God as Almighty God and refer to Jesus as Mighty God. Abeg, when Jesus was about to die, who did he beg to remove the cup from his head? He was talking to himself abi?

See, dont come here and deceive people that all these is a misery. Cos that is your cheapest way out of you little or zero scriptural knowledge.

I don talk.

ibtz:


Well yeah d truth never contradicts itself, d truth is truth, no falsehoods, no corruption, no contradictions, or CONTRA TRUTHS

ibtz:


in others again, i believe u may have seen dis in previous threads dat u were a part off.


Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven. Again d following verses:

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God).

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29



Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of god
What is d definition of son?

'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring".
"A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person."
"A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."


There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV
Read 1 Chronicles 22:10
Luke 3:38
Romans 8:14
Job 38:7

Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God
Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God

Lets even luk at dis, God dat destroyed nations for ppl worshipping anytin other than him will now turn around
and present his son for ppl to worship, is dat not accusing God of Double standards, not to even to mention fathering his own biological son from one of his creations isn't dat accusing God of incest.Glory be to God. There is no other God except Allah

Please respond because in the oda threads i posted dis u ran like u always do

Empiree:
But Jesus didn't speak English. This rubbishes and dismisses nonesense you put up

When a language is translated to another, the later loses its strength, hence corrupts the original. How can you be sure Jesus said those words. Try harder again with your copy paste

Olifiz:


Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God. How’s that possible when trinity means Jesus is God abi they are not one entity as your trinity says?

But to me Jesus is not God, God is God and Jesus is the son of God and they are different entities. They are not equal, they both exist in spirit form but one is greater than the other (God is greater than Jesus) read Philippians 2:5-9. I learned all this from the Bible. Even the word trinity sef cannot be found in the Bible. Jesus never said he was God and God never said he’s Jesus. God only said he is One God not 3 in one God like trinity.

femi4:
you must an illiterate to think you can justify Bible verses by quoting Qur'an

Quran see Jesus as messenger, no more no less. But the Bible interpretation was deeper