₦airaland Forum

ikennaf1:
This your contribution is both shameful and shameless at the same time. It reeks of sheer jealousy without a single suggestion on the way forward. You don't even want to get better... you only want the better places to have limits so that people seeking a better life will have no choice but to come wallow with you in hopelessness. Kai!

The situation is not only limited to Nigerian doctors. Every Nigerian in other fields of endeavour are running away or intend to run away from the country. I am angry with the whole situation and not just doctors because I find it disgraceful that Nigerians can't fix their own country but would rather run to a white man's land to reap the fruits of a white man's effort. This is the same white man Africans blame for destroying their continent. The "evil" white man has left a long while ago but Africans still want to troop into his country. The inability of Nigerians/Africans to fix their country is the major cause of racism against blacks.

Delivar:
The situation is not only limited to Nigerian doctors. Every Nigerian in other fields of endeavour are running away or intend to run away from the country. I am angry with the whole situation and not just doctors because I find it disgraceful that Nigerians can't fix their own country but would rather run to a white man's land to reap the fruits of a white man's effort. This is the same white man Africans blame for destroying their continent. The "evil" white man has left a long while ago but Africans still want to troop into his country. The inability of Nigerians/Africans to fix their country is the major cause of racism against blacks.

Has it ever occurred to you, in all your anger, that the ones who have the skills to successfully "run away" are doing so because they're tired of living in a system where they are forced to live under incompetents they have no power to throw out or replace? Why should a highly educated professional whose skills are in demand around the world stay in a sh*thole whose political leadership is determined by masses of mo.rons only vote based on "stomach infrastructure" and "na my kinsman"?

A nation is not a collective suicide pact. If 99% of the country wants to keep living in sh*t because they prefer tribal sentiments and vote-buying to economically-sound, ideologically coherent political platforms, that's no reason for the 1% with sense and talent to stick around and suffer for no good reason. We only have one life each to live, so why waste should anyone waste theirs being stifled by corrupt, tribalistic id.iots?

Not ONLY Doctors but cuts across every other sector and professions including Police, Teachers, Politicians, Clerics, Lawyers, et al. Or what do you expect from a failed country turned zoo?

This is actually what is happening to us. Despite all these hardships being encountered as a medical doctor I prefer to stay and help my people. The salary is not enough actually. Buying a good car, building a nice house, getting married are some of the challenges being faced by doctors. Friends and relatives are there constantly asking you for money which you too are lacking. Our profession need a great deal of sacrifice. As a doctor in Nigeria you have to be contented.

Lol. Even Senior Regs don't do rigourous calls. How many consultants do you find in the hospital by 3pm? Be real na.
You will only find them after 3pm, at their private hospitals.

MrBigiman:


Johesu want the same salary scale with Medical Doctors. It's easy to claim entry point distinguishes them but let's look at exit point. A lab Scientist at 55yrs probably now at the highest grade does nothing but order Juniors around, yet a General Surgeon who has put his life on the line still does rigorous calls and theatre sessions at 58yrs. The stupid, insane and unbelievable new demand means that a lab scientist, Nurse and neurosurgeon at the same grade level should earn the same, despite not having the same responsibility, this is a shame, and the Country will pay for considering these Buffon's and clowns called Johesu. Nowhere in the world is this stupidity condoned. The average hourly work rate of each professional the world over can be browsed, in all cases the doctors' comes top.

My advice for Junior doctors is to run as far as ur legs can take u, this is the best time. Don't look back, doctors are hot cake and don't limit yourself to a shithole country.

Peace

Mr Bigiman.

peacengine:
They are only after money. This is a sponsored post by Nigerian union of medical doctors

Always complaining yet lavishing in mediocrity, silent killers, prescribing wrong drugs, frequent strikes for pay and prestridge, it's time y'all leave. Go, we will get aid and humanitarian doctors working here in the interim, surely they will save more lives than you are presently doing

You'll really get humanitarian doctors from God knows where.

You think any foolish doctor will leave his comfort zone to this hotbed for humanitarian aid right?

I'm sure you won't mind paying through your nose to bring in light-skinned doctors, cos you see them as gods due to your inferiority complex, but will find it difficult treating your fellow Nigerian the same.

Nigerians are just jokers walahi....I've promised to just be reading every comment and won't say anything again...

yemmy75:
Is Nigeria the only developing country? Go and check how much doctors in Kenya and Namibia earn!

as I said, the problem with Nigeria is not the salary structure but govt inability to pay bonuses (earn allowance, overtime ect) and also her inability to put in necessary structure on our health sector.

Mires:
The post is a big trash like someone pointed out.

I will keep saying it that Nigerian medical Doctors are too self-centered.

How much to start with do they pay as sch fee to receive their training in Nigeria such that they will be comparing their salary with that of more qualified Drs at Canada who spend fortune to be trained.

They are happy to see CNO of over 25 years earning less than a fresh Dr who's Junior registrar and goes home with about #400,000 - #450,000 monthly.

So it is easy to be absorbed in developed countries, and they are still here.

A big trash that is not sellable.

So a Junior Registrar is a fresh Dr?

And he also goes home with 400-450k?

Chai JOHESU aka JO-HATES-U or IJO-ESHU!!!

I've said I won't comment again, so I reserve my comment, make I just dey enjoy the intriguing and outlandish lies being dished out here.

Abeg Kontinuu!

ironheart:
you wouldn't have been alive today if that doctor had left the country. Why not give another child hope for tomorrow just the way you have been given.

Even that doctor that saved his life will probably have left the shores of this shithole.

africanusvu:
Don't only think of wat wid av hapend to u if so and so doctor wasn't there.think also of wat wld av hapend to u if d pharmacist had not produced d drugs u took.the lab technologists had not dictected ur case.the mech Engr had not manufactured the vehicle that rushed u to the hospital.the electrician had not powered the oxygen u took.the caterer had not made d food u ate .the builder had not built the hospital. The electronic had not given u the system u used in posting this trash.the pastor had not interceded for u.I don't know why u doctors ar fucking arrogant and over hyped

And the cleaners that mop the hospital, the security man that ensured you were safe at night by putting his life in the line.

We should all be equal jarey and receive the same salary abeg. Parity is very important!

kazyhm:
Every Nigerians have entitlement mentality...........and i wonder its origin. perhaps, one can link it to our political atmosphere.

just check the agitation for HND/Bsc equality too......Same reasoning everywhere

In my work place, everyone with HND are always running one program or the other just to be at per with their Bsc counterpart but i've always maintain my stand; if i were the CEO, i would sack.............all of them

That's why you cannot be a CEO. CEOs do not reason the way you just did. CEOs care about numbers, their ROIs and the importance of your inputs towards ensuring that they get their returns steadily. That's why, when you see a white man or yellow skin interviewing you, they don't care about your degrees or many certs but your physical and intellectual demonstrations at that time. Naija black man's problems can't be cured

Chartey:
No registrar collects 400k. Very few Senior Registrars even collect that. It's lies like this your union leaders brainwash you with.
Apart from that, years in service don't determine pay anywhere. A court clerk of 25 years service shouldn't expect to earn the same as a magistrate of 5 years.
An air hostess of 10 years won't expect to earn the same as a fresh pilot.
The gap in salaries is even very close in the hospital setting.

Brilliant analysis, a chief matron or CNO still even earn higher than some junior registrars talk less of an intern and yet they aren't satisfied still.....they want to earn same thing as a Consultant cos they were already working while the consultant was still in Medical School. ...rubbish.

It's just like the rank and files of Nigerian Army, most soldiers were in the Army before some Officers were even born sef, but the day one becomes an Officer, you automatically become their Oga and that's it!

The reason healthcare is very stabilised in the Military and JOHESU dares not try nonsense there. Everything is regimented, you go obey by force!

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Davosukar:
I laugh at your ignorance bro, can we ever saturate the countries? By the time we have very few doctors in this country thats when ur government would go and import doctors and pay them in dollars.

I put it to you that that's what Nigerians are actually looking for...

LordAdam:
You guys should stop this senseless debate.

The average IQ of commenters on this thread is several base points higher than the average Nigerian. Act like it.

There are Consultants in most major health professionals in the UK (Pharmacy, Radiography et cetera). And doctors don't all earn the same salaries. Anesthesiologists earn more than GPs. I don't get this selective importation of UK norms. Like law, medicine in Nigeria is modeled like that in the UK.

You guys complain over everything. You talk about the wage structure abroad, then conveniently ignore the fact that doctors don't run hospitals abroad.

If you want to discuss the merits of a position, do so coherently, as I'm sure you guys are able to do. This cheap nonsense you guys are engaging in is irritating. If you say consultant pharmacists are redundant, then you must explain why, when they certainly have a place in the UK (the UK you guys are falling over yourselves to enter).

If it's by effort, miners would earn more than investment bankers.

-Lord

We're talking about skilled effort not just any effort okay? They're different.

Filmewell:
Nigerian doctors should Live and let live.

That's what I always tell my colleagues, we should stop threatening ppl with our impending departure, it will get stale and irritating over time. Actions they say speak louder than words.

I advice every doctor to simply do what's on their minds, cos Nigeria will NEVER change for anyone. If you want to go, write exam and go, but if you want to stay, then be ready to enjoy the status quo without reminding the masses that your colleagues abroad are enjoying.

Shikena.

omohayek:
Has it ever occurred to you, in all your anger, that the ones who have the skills to successfully "run away" are doing so because they're tired of living in a system where they are forced to live under incompetents they have no power to throw out or replace? Why should a highly educated professional whose skills are in demand around the world stay in a sh*thole whose political leadership is determined by masses of mo.rons only vote based on "stomach infrastructure" and "na my kinsman"?

A nation is not a collective suicide pact. If 99% of the country wants to keep living in sh*t because they prefer tribal sentiments and vote-buying to economically-sound, ideologically coherent political platforms, that's no reason for the 1% with sense and talent to stick around and suffer for no good reason. We only have one life each to live, so why waste should anyone waste theirs being stifled by corrupt, tribalistic id.iots?

All you said above is because you feel there is another country you can run to. Therefore as someone with "common sense" you shouldn't bother yourself trying to fight the ugly situation in your country. All you stated above is the reason why this country will not advance. People prefer to abandon the country and leave it for the incompetent ones to run down. What if there is no country to run to what exactly will you do? How exactly do you expect things to change for good when people like you with the "common sense" to fight and change the situation are taking an exit? You want to have a fantastic country but you are not willing to fight for it. As long as you all keep running away then dont expect anything good from your country. You have to blame yourself too for the terrible state of affairs in your country because you chose to run rather than fighting for change. Don't blame the "incompetent" ones alone. Blame yourself too.

mediclife1987:
So a Junior Registrar is a fresh Dr?

And he also goes home with 400-450k?

Chai JOHESU aka JO-HATES-U or IJO-ESHU!!!

I've said I won't comment again, so I reserve my comment, make I just dey enjoy the intriguing and outlandish lies being dished out here.

Abeg Kontinuu!

A junior registrar is what?

After being an house officer, what's the first appointment for residency?

mediclife1987:
We're talking about skilled effort not just any effort okay? They're different.

Better drop it. Mining, stone masonry, glass blowing, et al also count as "skilled efforts..." You guys have this irritating habit of denigrating other professions to make yours better. What next, doctors should earn more than entertainment stars?

How can smart people lack common sense?

-Lord

dominique:
Honestly I ask myself this question whenever I visit my private hospital and see the extremely overworked underpaid doctors looking exhausted most of the time. I ask myself that are these doctors aware that all it takes to get them out of this hellhole is to just take a board exam and apply for visa to a first world country where they will get better pay and less workload? What exactly motivaties them to remain in this country? Docs in the house, let's hear from you.

And do u know that however true and real your claims here are . You are invariably contributing to the Exodus of Doctors overseas which in turn leaves us with deficit ?


I would prefer we start proferring solutions to the problem than running away from it which creates a bigger problem that will affect us all in the long run

1.Doctors spend 7years in medical school+6years for residendency training.
2.Doctors conduct surgeries both major and minor(cosmetic surgery,herniorrhaphy,orthopedic surgery,caesarian sections,brain surgery,nephrotomy,phalotomies,hysterotomies,splenotomies,laparotomies and many others toooo numerous to mention.
3.Doctors are mostly excellent students(national assets,a+)
4.doctors know pharmacy,anatomy,biochemistry,mcb,pathology,epidemiology,genetics,gynaecology,endocrinology and even computed studies eg tomograghies.
4.Doctors are humble and cheap with rates below 10,000 naira per hour unlike others in nigeria earning 50,000per hour eg valuers
5.Doctors cordinate health works.
In my opinion Doctors are next to God.
please johesu and pro-johesu,save yourself the embarassment doctors are great and youre not.stop the ridiculous comparism.
i am proud to be a veterinary doctor,if youre jealous go to medical school.

mediclife1987:
You'll really get humanitarian doctors from God knows where.

You think any foolish doctor will leave his comfort zone to this hotbed for humanitarian aid right?

I'm sure you won't mind paying through your nose to bring in light-skinned doctors, cos you see them as gods due to your inferiority complex, but will find it difficult treating your fellow Nigerian the same.

Nigerians are just jokers walahi....I've promised to just be reading every comment and won't say anything again...

Yes, we will surely get humanitarians doing your job. You think every doctor is as greedy as you? How much did you pay through medical school, can you compare this to what medical students are paying in US, UK or Canada? Ungrateful beings, go abroad na, why you telling us, just go!

sexylips6186:
Why is it that Doctors are self centered You derive pleasure in pulling down other professions rather than fight for what concerns you.

Abroad, all health workers work together but here in Nigeria, doctors fight for superiority.

Why do you guys keep beefing Pharmacists? If there are no Pharmacists in hospitals, do you know how many patients you would have killed with your nonsense prescriptions....

A lot of doctors in the hospital don't even know strengths of drugs not to talk of drug-drug interactions, drug-food interactions n they will be raising their shoulders up n down that they are doctors.

God is watching all of you....

Abroad they all work together because everyone knows and accepts his/her place.

Doctors don't derive pleasure in pulling others down, it's just that relativity has to be maintained. If they decide to pay other health workers what doctors currently earn and then increase that of the doctors, you guys will still come back later to fight for the new doctors' salary. Things don't work that way! Even in your private 'shops' in town do you pay all your staff at the same rate? You guys all know the truth

tete7000:
I don't think the plight of doctors is worse than that of any other professional in Nigeria. I am an Engineer by training, I hold a Master degree and based on personal experience, I can ask the same question: 'What is an Engineer doing in Nigeria?'. The Nigerian problem is not peculiar to only doctors, it affects everyone else. It is a culture that places no emphasis on merit, a culture that doesn't believe in professionalism. A culture where all professionals who spent years in training campaigned vigorously and queued up to vote for a man that couldn't show his senior secondary school certificate. A culture where professionals hailed Tinubu when he said certificate or not certificate, qualified or no qualified, Buhari holds the key to solving Nigerian problem. We all created Nigeria, it is right everyone stay back to enjoy it.

Good one bro

peacengine:
Yes, we will surely get humanitarians doing your job. You think every doctor is as greedy as you? How much did you pay through medical school, can you compare this to what medical students are paying in US, UK or Canada? Ungrateful beings, go abroad na, why you telling us, just go!

So because someone fed you yesterday you become his slave forever?

Forget it, any doctor that 'manages' to do his housejob and NYSC here has paid his dues and doesn't owe anybody anything!

yemmy75:
So because someone fed you yesterday you become his slave forever?

Forget it, any doctor that 'manages' to do his housejob and NYSC here has paid his dues and doesn't owe anybody anything!

How much did you pay through medical school in Nigeria is it up to what your counter in US, UK and Canada pay through school? fuk off bro!

osazsky:
have u ever seen someone who chose nursing as first choice, then in our time it wasn't even in jamb brochure ,tell us d truth u chose medicine but couldn't pass hence u took d shot cut by writing entrance exam now u are boasting that u can pass MBBS ,,,,Nigerians funny die spits

e pain am ..when i call you mumu i no lie...ok listen, law been the most sorted course in art does it make it the hardest?.but because of the population of student aspiring to be lawyers,it tends to increase the cutoff so student can be screened to minimum number required by the school...same thing goes to medicine if you dont know...if it were possible for the aspirant of biochemistry to be more than medicine, invarably biochemistry will have a greater cutoff...jst know this in your thin skul that seeking admission into a university is influenced by the aspirants and not the course and thats why it changes with years according to the flow...student that were unable to secure admission in medicine in nigeria but did abroad,are you better than them because you got admitted in nigeria and they could not? And you feels is worth been proud off...how many times do your politifians use your local hospitals?they rather go overseas and meet the same people that got tired of stuggling with post utme in your shit hole nation and pay them bigger money to consult them..keep living in your world of delussion...mr man i never attempted mmbs,

mediclife1987:
And the cleaners that mop the hospital, the security man that ensured you were safe at night by putting his life in the line.

We should all be equal jarey and receive the same salary abeg. Parity is very important!

Lmao at your level of sarcasm

balarabe01:
1.Doctors spend 7years in medical school+6years for residendency training.
2.Doctors conduct surgeries both major and minor(cosmetic surgery,herniorrhaphy,orthopedic surgery,caesarian sections,brain surgery,nephrotomy,phalotomies,hysterotomies,splenotomies,laparotomies and many others toooo numerous to mention.
3.Doctors are mostly excellent students(national assets,a+)
4.doctors know pharmacy,anatomy,biochemistry,mcb,pathology,epidemiology,genetics,gynaecology,endocrinology and even computed studies eg tomograghies.
4.Doctors are humble and cheap with rates below 10,000 naira per hour unlike others in nigeria earning 50,000per hour eg valuers
5.Doctors cordinate health works.
In my opinion Doctors are next to God.
please johesu and pro-johesu,save yourself the embarassment doctors are great and youre not.stop the ridiculous comparism.
i am proud to be a veterinary doctor,if youre jealous go to medical school.

50k per hour
Who's deceiving this one
People dealing with human beings are talking
This one dealing with animal too is putting mouth

Pls leave us and face the animals abeg

peacengine:
How much did you pay through medical school in Nigeria is it up to what your counter in US, UK and Canada pay through school? fuk off bro!

I'm sure you didn't read the post you quoted... Read that then we can discuss like homo sapiens

xamuelotu:
as I said, the problem with Nigeria is not the salary structure but govt inability to pay bonuses (earn allowance, overtime ect) and also her inability to put in necessary structure on our health sector.

I agree with you on this... But if government is truly unable to pay like you claim, then they should not give in to JOHESU's demands. Doctors in this country are grossly underpaid! You can't be telling one party you don't have money and pampering the the other.

Mires:
A junior registrar is what?

After being an house officer, what's the first appointment for residency?

And a house Officer is what? Not a doctor ba? An NYSC Doctor nko? Also not a doctor ba? What of those that are yet to go for Residency and are still Medical Officers? Those ones aren't doctors too I presume. Or those that choose not to specialize? Those ones are infact morons based on your understanding I believe?

So it is a Junior Registrar that is a fresh doctor, the rest above are what then? Nincompoops I guess?

I shouldn't even be answering you sef, I should allow you wallow in your ignorance.

Nigerians are full of arrogance in their ignorance afterall.

So continue, you're veey right and I'm wrong.