osazsky:
did u choose pharmacy as ur first choice,,, who does DAT,

I'm a pharmacist and medicine was my second choice...If you want evidence i can upload it here. why are you people full of this nonsense claims? is medicine even a lucrative discipline? to me no! The only place a doctor earn slightly higher than the pharmacists is in the hospital. If you don't know there are many consultant Dr's in abuja who doesn't have a job and I mean it. What they're doing is locum job. If it's that easy to take the PLAB or the USMLE, they should take the exam and migrate. Dr's are just full of empty egos. what's in medical science's and how many Dr's make up to a million naira monthly?
Young doctors are mostly frustrated because the lies they were told from school and the unrealistic expectations doesn't match with the reality in practice.
Pharmacy money can be equated to oil crude money...its always overflowing and that's why everyone including politicians wants to make Money from drugs.

yemmy75:

Lmao at your level of sarcasm

The clown was still even reinforcing his assertion, using miners etc as examples.

Let everyone in Nigeria kuku collect the same salary so they won't claim I'm denigrating some people again.

I no want wahala, everyone must collect the same salary...shikena!

DABMarkNig2019:

I'm a pharmacist and medicine was my second choice...If you want evidence i can upload it here. why are you people full of this nonsense claims? is medicine even a lucrative discipline? to me no! The only place a doctor earn slightly higher than the pharmacists is in the hospital. If you don't know there are many consultant Dr's in abuja who doesn't have a job and I mean it. What they're doing is locum job. If it's that easy to take the PLAB or the USMLE, they should take the exam and migrate. Dr's are just full of empty egos. what's in medical science's and how many Dr's make up to a million naira monthly?
Young doctors are mostly frustrated because the lies the high expectations they had from school doesn't match with the reality in practice.
Pharmacy money can be equated to oil crude money...its always overflowing and that's why everyone including politicians wants to make Money from drugs.

not surprise we where shock when one pharmacist paid Evan the kidnnaper 1 million euros he makes and sell drugs don't have time for jeshu and NMA drama

mediclife1987:


The clown was still even reinforcing his assertion, using miners etc as examples.

Let everyone in Nigeria kuku collect the same salary so they won't claim I'm denigrating some people again.

I no want wahala, everyone must collect the same salary...shikena!

Leave them let them continue deceiving themselves.

I wonder if a consultant nurse will agree to collect the same salary with consultant records officer even though they embarked on this strike together.

No matter how vigorously you shake the container, water will still find its level. Everybody sabi him level jare, even within JOHESU

DABMarkNig2019:

I'm a pharmacist and medicine was my second choice...If you want evidence i can upload it here. why are you people full of this nonsense claims? is medicine even a lucrative discipline? to me no! The only place a doctor earn slightly higher than the pharmacists is in the hospital. If you don't know there are many consultant Dr's in abuja who doesn't have a job and I mean it. What they're doing is locum job. If it's that easy to take the PLAB or the USMLE, they should take the exam and migrate. Dr's are just full of empty egos. what's in medical science's and how many Dr's make up to a million naira monthly?
Young doctors are mostly frustrated because the lies the high expectations they had from school doesn't match with the reality in practice.
Pharmacy money can be equated to oil crude money...its always overflowing and that's why everyone including politicians wants to make Money from drugs.

Money made by consulting and admitting patients, dispensing drugs that are meant to be prescription-only in your pharmacy shops abi. The codeine and tramadol addicts on the streets have you guys to thank. The long arm of the law will clamp down on you guys one day!

macaranta:

Are you dammed now?

Reverse psychology on fleek

thorpido:
I watched the interview of the minister of health on Channels TV.Whose side do you think the minister is on(he's a doctor remember)?
What I saw in the Johesu demand is a review of the salaries and allowances as they have done for doctors on Conmess.The Conmess salary structure has been reviewed twice in the last six years whereas the Conhess has remained the same.

Yes,nursing graduates are fighting to have internship.I don't know if that is done elsewhere in the world but the question is,will it add to professional expertise or take away from it?

So can you please tell us a few ways in which the internship will add to their expertise which other countries have been too blind to see all along?

Thanks

Sodiquinone:
ur packed cell volume (7%) was done accurately by a medical laboratory scientist, what do u think will happen if he gave u a PCV OF (32),the drugs u used was compounded and dispensed by a pharmacist, what about all the nurses care and involvement, but your ignorant and biased mind gave all d glory to the doctors, my brother,this thing is a team , doctors can never manage a single patient successfully

For God's sake PCV check was the job of house officers in Children's Emergency Ward. We couldn't waste our time waiting for useless Lab Scientist to do a delegated job that'll make our work easier. We'll still rush to the lab to beg them for blood again that patient will use, and they'll still use us and do yanga like it's our relatives that need the blood.

Very useless people. Good for nothing.

yemmy75:


Money made by consulting and admitting patients, dispensing drugs that are meant to be prescription-only in your pharmacy shops abi. The codeine and tramadol addicts on the streets have you guys to thank. The long arm of the law will clamp down on you guys one day!

You should have known that a good number of those addicts are medical doctors

mediclife1987:


And a house Officer is what? Not a doctor ba? An NYSC Doctor nko? Also not a doctor ba? What of those that are yet to go for Residency and are still Medical Officers? Those ones aren't doctors too I presume. Or those that choose not to specialize? Those ones are infact morons based on your understanding I believe?

So it is a Junior Registrar that is a fresh doctor, the rest above are what then? Nincompoops I guess?

I shouldn't even be answering you sef, I should allow you wallow in your ignorance.

Nigerians are full of arrogance in their ignorance afterall.

So continue, you're veey right and I'm wrong.

Bro abi Dr (Lol), we are not fighting. No one is saying whatever you call the name is not a quak Dr. Even a chief consultant in 9ja who can hardly perform a successful surgery is a Dr.

All being said, the common masses are simply saying NMA shouldn't be threatening FGN not to look at raising salary for JOHESU members whose take home is very small in relation to that of Drs.

Baba, make una enjoy sha. Na Baba God do am for una. E no concern me as far as I am not a member of JOHESU

IbnIbrahim:
It was the night of December 22, 2002. I was rushed to the University College Hospital (UCH), Ibadan. I was terribly sick; the hospital had no oxygen as at the time I was admitted, and I was severely low on oxygen. I missed a date with death by a few seconds. I needed a miracle and God showed up — it was a medical miracle.

My packed cell volume (PCV), which is the volume percentage of red blood cells in blood, was at five percent, about seven times less than what was expected. I was medically damaged. I had suffered in the days leading to this eventual admission. I was only 12.

I remember all that pain and trauma like it happened yesterday. The sickness was not all that was wrong; the tears flowing down my strong mother’s eyes broke my spirit. My father braved it all, but I knew he was hurt beyond words. My favourite aunt, was a nurse at UCH, she helped in ways she could, and periodically told me to be strong. She too was torn beyond words. My family was in pain, and I was the cause of it. I blamed myself.

I was one of the eldest children at Otunba Tunwase Children’s Emergency Ward. I was not scared of death, but I was scared of the pain it would put all these people through. The money my parents had spent, the love my siblings had shown, the care my aunt and cousins showered to this dying boy — I was scared of letting all that go to waste. So I fought for my life, and begged that God kept me strong and healthy for them. I survived, thanks to God and his messengers, who were in the form of skilled doctors.
My survival was made possible through the seasoned hands and steady minds of the likes of Professor Yetunde Aken’ova, Dr. Taiwo Kotila and many other medical specialists who beat the conditions of their employment to save lives in Nigeria’s under-served hospitals.

Based on this, and some other social experiences, Nigeria is personal for me; it is not my ambition to see a better Nigeria, it is a calling, a responsibility. So when I am making demands on government and policymakers to act on one issue or the other, I am not being political, I am not trying to be correct, I am just simply asking that they put facilities in place to make Nigerians need fewer miracles.

THE CRISIS ON OUR HANDS

Today, President Muhammadu Buhari is in the United Kingdom, treating an unknown ailment. I want to believe it is not just because he is president. As a former head of state, if he was not president today, and he takes ill, he would most probably go to the same doctors in the UK — because he has little or no faith in our medical system, and then we may not blame him as much as we do today.

But Buhari is really not my worry today. My grouse is with the system that produces his ilk.

There is a crisis in Nigeria’s healthcare system, and for today, my focus will be on the doctors. As far back as 2010, World Bank data have shown that Nigeria has one doctor to 2,531 people. The World Health Organisation prescribes one doctor to 600 people. The likes of Mexico, Mongolia, Australia, United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Spain and even Libya meet the WHO requirement. And many of them do so on the backs of Nigerian doctors abroad.

This means that the Nigerian doctor works at least four times more than his counterpart in any of these countries and earns way less than they do. The numbers are even worse today. We have about one doctor to over 6,000 Nigerians.

There is, therefore, no reason to wonder why a poll conducted by NOI polls and Nigeria Health Watch in 2017 found that 88 percent — almost nine in 10 — Nigerian doctors were actively seeking an opportunity to go abroad to practice. At the time the survey was conducted, a majority of Nigerian doctors were — and are currently — registered for medical exams like PLAB in the UK, USMLE for the United States, MCCE for Canada, AMC for Australia and DHA for Dubai. Most of our best minds are leaving!

5,264 NIGERIAN DOCTORS WORKING IN THE UK

Most recently, Chief Emeka Anyaoku, former Commonwealth Secretary-General, said 4,795 Nigerian doctors were currently working in the UK. Making specific reference to July, 2017. According to the UK General Medical Council, holding data on doctors in the UK, 5,250 Nigerian doctors were working in the UK as at April 25, 2018.

Checking the same data today, May 5, 2018, that number has grown to 5,264 — an increase of 14 doctors in 10 days. Africa Checks has shown that an average of 12 doctors move to the UK every week! Every seven days — or five working days — 12 Nigeria-trained doctors move to the UK!

After the same order, thousands of Nigerian doctors are working in the US, Canada, Australia, United Arab Emirates, and many other nations of the world. More than half of the 72,000 registered doctors in Nigeria now work abroad.

A LAND WITHOUT DOCTORS

In 2017, a friend of mine, who is a fresh doctor from UCH, told me about his plans to move to Canada by 2018. I attempted convincing him to stay, and was making some progress until I said: “Nigeria needs you”. He laughed and said “Nigeria does not need its own president, so how will Nigeria need him, an ordinary doctor”. This was at the time the president was in the UK for medical care.

Recently, I asked him some questions, and while answering, he said: “What is a doctor doing in Nigeria?”

And that is my question today: What exactly is a doctor doing in Nigeria? When he can get 10 times his Nigerian pay by moving to Canada, US, UK or UAE, to do almost 10 times less work! What exactly is a doctor doing in Nigeria, when the government will call him names, and ask him to respect the Hippocratic oath when the same government has not respected the oath it swore to the people?

What is a doctor doing in Nigeria, when he knows what to do to save a life but is handicapped by the absence of oxygen, blood, sterile needles, and the very basic needs of his profession.

I think of what would have happened to me if the likes of Professor Aken’ova and her team of young doctors were not available that night in December 2002. Your guess is as good as mine. So today, I ask that Nigeria must act, lest she becomes a land without doctors


https://hotproforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1257&p=1781#p1781

Buhari is to blame for how.

Akexstinger:


That's why you cannot be a CEO. CEOs do not reason the way you just did. CEOs care about numbers, their ROIs and the importance of your inputs towards ensuring that they get their returns steadily. That's why, when you see a white man or yellow skin interviewing you, they don't care about your degrees or many certs but your physical and intellectual demonstrations at that time. Naija black man's problems can't be cured

lol.......first and foremost, you sounds do inferior and insecure....

if truly performance is not about certificate as you
afirmed, why the equality agitation in the first place ?
CEO cares about there workers and more importantly about the performance of their organization which is why i will sack any mentally insecure worker before he ruin the reputation of what i built with my bone and blood

Black man problems can't be solve/cure because of entitlement seeking specie like you...........

fools do first what the wise do last........

MrBigiman:

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That's their main demand. Watch the interview of the minister of health with channels TV and get a better insight. If nursing begins internship, Nigeria will be the only Country in the world running such devious model. It's a shame that we bend the truth in this Country.

Again, see youur problem - always nosing into other people's matter - you are now angry that nurses do internship. All these nonsense won't do you any good. The nurses in question have been to the university and spent 5 years studying. You spend 6 years for MBBS, pharmacists spend 5 years - here you are hurting that nurses are given internship. Doctor, direct your anger appropriately at the government that is not treating health care workers as many other countries' government do. Stop hating, allow others to hrow in their own field and don't feel because you are a doctor non doctors should be your slaves

yemmy75:


Money made by consulting and admitting patients, dispensing drugs that are meant to be prescription-only in your pharmacy shops abi. The codeine and tramadol addicts on the streets have you guys to thank. The long arm of the law will clamp down on you guys one day!

we don't admit patients but of course we consult, counsel, order for lab tests, scanning, order for X-RAY but importantly within our areas of competence.
I thought Nigerian Dr's will never accept collaboration which is the global norm with the pharmacists but I'm shocked of late seeing lots of them running to our pharmacy for collaboration and referrals. Sit there let foolish ego kill you. Dr's are always making noise with empty pockets and bank accounts. its not only in Nigeria that pharmacists are richer than Dr's but the world over.
look at the sorry state of our hospitals courtesy of the doctors who has been managing them for the past 3 decades. Lobatan

MrBigiman:


Johesu want the same salary scale with Medical Doctors. It's easy to claim entry point distinguishes them but let's look at exit point. A lab Scientist at 55yrs probably now at the highest grade does nothing but order Juniors around, yet a General Surgeon who has put his life on the line still does rigorous calls and theatre sessions at 58yrs. The stupid, insane and unbelievable new demand means that a lab scientist, Nurse and neurosurgeon at the same grade level should earn the same, despite not having the same responsibility, this is a shame, and the Country will pay for considering these Buffon's and clowns called Johesu. Nowhere in the world is this stupidity condoned. The average hourly work rate of each professional the world over can be browsed, in all cases the doctors' comes top.

My advice for Junior doctors is to run as far as ur legs can take u, this is the best time. Don't look back, doctors are hot cake and don't limit yourself to a shithole country.

Peace

Mr Bigiman.

Why are you spreading lies? JOHESU is not fighting for pay parity with doctors. Stop this APC approach of lies and blackmail to things.

DABMarkNig2019:

we don't admit patients but of course we consult, counsel, order for lab tests, scanning, order for X-RAY but importantly within our areas of competence.
I thought Nigerian Dr's will never accept collaboration which is the global norm with the pharmacists but I'm shocked of late seeing lots of them running to our pharmacy for collaboration and referrals. Sit there let foolish ego kill you. Dr's are always making noise with empty pockets and bank accounts. its not only in Nigeria that pharmacists are richer than Dr's but the world over.
look at the sorry state of our hospitals courtesy of the doctors who has been managing them for the past 3 decades. Lobatan

My dear, this is the job description of a medical doctor.

Now let's switch the roles, imagine a nurse, lab scientist, or cleaner developing and dispensing drugs from their maternity homes, laboratories or utility stores. Will you be OK with that?

Of course they will do it within their areas of competence

rotadeco27:
U are so right on point concerning the post , the day I determined to study medicine was when I had a severe asthmatic attack -: status asthmaticus , I knew I was dying and mum and dad were obviously helpless. Thank God for a doctor beside my house that God used that day , he administered some injections and withing minutes ,it was like a rope was taken off my neck .
I promised myself to know the mystery behinds this.
Thank God I'm a doctors today and on training to become a neurosurgeon , but like earlier stated, I might not be able to replicate the same help for a long time as the health sector in Nigeria is so frustrating. is the low pay we should talk about or hostile working environment!?
I'm one of those that are about to fly , I can't be working and jerking like "nothing else dey" and some people in the name of johesu will be sponsoring bills to be at per. it is better one goes to places where things work .
My advice to all my young colleagues out there , let go out to make money and come back years after to establish group private standard practices: our nurses will stay on the ward to give patients quality nursing cares they deserve, we need dispersers and not pharmacist ( the latter should be on the research field finding formulas to solve medical problem and allow pharmacist technicians to to their work), medical laboratory scientist will process samples in the lab because that is what I'm paying u for., ward assist will stay withing his or her limit .
A reasonable person will leave his or her comfort zone when the comfort zone is no more comfortable!

I really love your spirit for determination to go make the money abroad and come back to establish in your home country. Many would never want to come back to Nigeria.
I usually tell those going abroad. Make the money there and come try establish yourself here at home.

greyham:


My dear, this is the the description of a medical doctor.

Now let's switch the roles, imagine a nurse, lab scientist, or cleaner dispensing drugs from their maternity homes, laboratories or utility stores. Will you be OK with that?

Of course they will do it within their areas of competence

even the medical doctors are doing that already...We have sound clinical pharmacists on ground that ensures that everything works fine. mind you it's not outside our job descriptions...The most important thing is that the patients trust us and are getting value for the money they paid for. The business is sweetest now that hospitals are on strike.

DABMarkNig2019:

even the medical doctors are doing that already...We have sound clinical pharmacists on ground that ensures that everything works fine. mind you it's not outside our job descriptions...The most important thing is that the patients trust us and are getting value for the money they paid for. The business is sweetest now that hospitals are on strike.

You have not answered the question

imam07:
So you still think we have doctors in Nigeria. We have killer doctors and lazy nurses.Doctors and nurses kill 15 patients every day in Nigeria hospitals. Tell me how many are killed in a year. Some doctors and nurses know they are going to hell fire unless they repent. Gone are the days when doctors save lives but now they all posue money. Close all hospitals to know wedont have any,after all you people go on strike more than twice a year.It was before i see them as demi god but now, i see them as devil in white germent.Some doctors are to be working in a carpentry workshop but due to our poor educational sector,they cheat their way into medicine. Goat fit do medicine now so far he pass exam through cheating. I remember when i finish secondary school 27 yrs ago. Who born monkey? Only brain were admitted to do medicine. Through out my set,only two were qualified to do medcine. They are now a doctor now. Now u will see weed smokers as doctors,cult guy as doctors,olosho as doctors. Then Nah briliant born again dey do medicine.
That is why they are prescribing wrong and overdose drugs to people. They have almost killed all patient finish for hospital. When i was young,Nah all those baba doctors be real doctors. Not these doctors wey use pampers wnen they were young.
Govt get there own problem to but i never have your note this night.
You Buhari,nothing no concern you about the health sector because u are using oyibo hospital. You go rot in hell fire.

Laff don make me piss for body

DABMarkNig2019:

we don't admit patients but of course we consult, counsel, order for lab tests, scanning, order for X-RAY but importantly within our areas of competence.
I thought Nigerian Dr's will never accept collaboration which is the global norm with the pharmacists but I'm shocked of late seeing lots of them running to our pharmacy for collaboration and referrals. Sit there let foolish ego kill you. Dr's are always making noise with empty pockets and bank accounts. its not only in Nigeria that pharmacists are richer than Dr's but the world over.
look at the sorry state of our hospitals courtesy of the doctors who has been managing them for the past 3 decades. Lobatan

What 'competence' gives you the right to do the above? If not that this country is a lawless country, you wouldn't be here bragging about what y'all should be jailed for

yemmy75:


Leave them let them continue deceiving themselves.

I wonder if a consultant nurse will agree to collect the same salary with consultant records officer even though they embarked on this strike together.

No matter how vigorously you shake the container, water will still find its level. Everybody sabi him level jare, even within JOHESU

Me I've said it that everyone should collect the same salary jarey, let there be Consultant Record Officers too and Consultant gate man, consultant caterer, dry cleaner, consultant everything! Let everyone collect the same salary.

I can assure you that will actually be the end of this thing called JOHESU, the real motive behind their fight- greed- will finally come to light as them go begin beat themselves up again....

Bunch of touts holding the government to ransome to bleed them dry.....rubbish.

DABMarkNig2019:

look at the sorry state of our hospitals courtesy of the doctors who has been managing them for the past 3 decades. Lobatan

Same way APC kept painting PDP black until they eventually got into power. We know the results...

Tell the government what you can do better if allowed to rule

Mires:



Bro abi Dr (Lol), we are not fighting. No one is saying whatever you call the name is not a quak Dr. Even a chief consultant in 9ja who can hardly perform a successful surgery is a Dr.

All being said, the common masses are simply saying NMA shouldn't be threatening FGN not to look at raising salary for JOHESU members whose take home is very small in relation to that of Drs.

Baba, make una enjoy sha. Na Baba God do am for una. E no concern me as far as I am not a member of JOHESU

Can you mention the name of the chief consultant who can't perform a surgery or you're just pulling out something from your ass to present to people?

As I said Nigerians with their arrogance in ignorance, here's someone boldly making a scandalous statement that a chief consultant surgeon can't perform a surgery...just to get the attention of people to his aim of slandering, sandbagging and ridiculing hardworking and honorable people that are deserving of praise instead.

Kontinuu, this is Naija afterall, only Naija where you can work in the bank as a Yoruba graduate and they'll say "na baba God do am for me oh". Where a zoology graduate is working in a healthcare setting.

Please lets Kontinuu to make a fool of ourselves abeg, it's fun!....

yemmy75:

Same way APC kept painting PDP black until they eventually got into power. We know the results...

Tell the government what you can do better if allowed to rule

olalekanadewum:
Do you know how much doctors are paid? even a students doctors under training that are not suppose to be paid is earning more than GL 11 officers and yet they can't perform some simple operations without an errors that the the reason our leaders can not risk their lives.

What about this your version of student doctors practicing in the US, UK, Australia etc. Why are they getting paid?

So after finishing medical school of 6years as a student doctor, they still remain student doctors even during their Housemanship which is obtainable over the world right?

Those in residency training too that are student doctors ought not to be paid as well, UNTIL they become Consultants right?

Chei! JOHESU!!! You guys are just irritatingly dumb, sometimes I'm forced to believe it's intentional. I can't believe anyone on earth can be innocently dvmb the way you guys are.

What about pharmacist doing internship? What about physiotherapist doing internship? Those ones deserve to be paid abi? Cos those ones are no longer students, they're now pharmacist, physiotherapists etc but a medical student after 6years remains a student doctor, a resident doctor spending up to 8 years doing residency remains a student doctor right?

Buhari!

yemmy75:


Doctors don't only deserve to be treated well, they deserve to be treated better than others. That is why relativity was put in place. Even football clubs understand relativity!

Forget that 'interconnected' stuff... We know all professions are useful and it's a team. Defenders on the Real Madrid team have been instrumental to their third consecutive champions league final. Never will a day come when one of them will want to earn close to what Ronaldo earns. That is just how things work!

I just dey imagine make defenders sef go on strike sey dem wan make money pass strikers

salford1:

When i gained admission into OAU back in 1999, BSc Nursing had a higher jamb cut off score than MBBS. That was when alot of Nigerian nurses were hot cake overseas. Don't assume that everyone wanted to become a doctor.

Why are you now an engineer?

IgboBasthard:


You sound so evil

How? Because he wonders why extremely smart doctors choose to remain in this shithole?

Shebi you guys want to be Consultant, we're leaving our office for you to take over ttitle as Doctor.

Cos he gave us a sound advice to waka he's become an evil man

mediclife1987:


I just dey imagine make defenders sef go on strike sey dem wan make money pass strikers

Afterall they are in the same team and everyone is important

yemmy75:

Afterall they are in the same team and everyone is important

Abi na, afterall na "team player tins"

ikennaf1:


This your contribution is both shameful and shameless at the same time. It reeks of sheer jealousy without a single suggestion on the way forward. You don't even want to get better... you only want the better places to have limits so that people seeking a better life will have no choice but to come wallow with you in hopelessness. Kai!

Severe uppercut, chai

The guy na typical JOHESU na, you shouldn't expect anything less from such scumbags...