ElsonMorali:


So you are saying that God does not know everything. That means he isn't Omniscient.

Is that what you mean? Because that's blasphemy.

Omniscient means all-knowing, omniscient doesn't mean clairvoyance. People should understand the difference. Are you saying God put the forbidden fruit in the garden knowing fully well that Adam is going to eat it? Are you saying God created Lucifer knowing fully well that he's going to rebel against him thus giving rise to the Satan we all know?
Understand the difference brother, God knew exactly what will happen if Adam ate the apple (that's omniscience). God didn't know if Adam will eat the apple or not (that's clairvoyance).
God created Lucifer and the other angels (that omnipotence), God didn't know Lucifer will eventually turn into Satan (that's clairvoyance)

Ramon92:
going by this logic, it means God has no control over death and it's this sadness and pain that makes him/it condemn the sinner to hell..??

Since we're talking religion, OK, here goes:

Remember God told man not to eat of a particular tree saying he will surely die if he did? Well, man disobeyed and death became part of life.

Well,

One thing God will not change is His own word. He gave an instruction and clearly spelt out the consequence of disobedience. God will not bend His own rules. That's why He is God and not man. The Bible says He will not repent, which means He will not go back on His word.

Hell is simply the starkest reality of life without God. Nobody is "condemned" to hell. It's all free will.

Are you a Christian? Do you want to know the real Truth? Let God show you by Himself through His Spirit by His word. Never, repeat, never let men interpret the word for you.

Read it for yourself.

Peace.

Every death is not the will of God but God knows about every death.

SuperWorld:

when u write an exam and .....does that mean the examiner's wills to fail u??
or can't prevent u from passing
That's the justice of God...

I guess you're trying to make an allegory here.

You can't compare God's thinking with an imaginary or real human being.

We may not know why things happen because we can't see into the future, but God who is in the future as we speak allows His will to be done to achieve whatever end He pleases.

Everything that has happened, is happening and will happen in future are all encompassed in God's Knowledge and His Will.

ElsonMorali:



I just have a question for you.

I guess you're still quite young right? If God Wills that you sleep tonight and not wake up tomorrow, is that untimely death or not?

How can you tell if that's God's will or not? Maybe I don't know what God's will is, but here what the bible says in Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Note the keyword "expected end". God has an expected end for all of us, it doesn't mean that "expected end" is going to come to pass.
God said "expected end" he didn't say "definite or certain end"

herraph:


It is man's responsibility to be killed if he wants to get killed.

God didn't come down from heaven to fight for Israel. He can only assist you if you take action.

God is not powerless, He will assist His children if they take action.

Really? What action do you expect from someone who is going about her daily duty and goes to the market only to be in the same scene where a suicide bomber gets exploded?

What action are you expecting from the woman? Not to go to the market?

CeeKay17:

No he doesn't. God knows the expected outcome of everything, e.g he knows what will happen if I go left, right, front or back, but he doesn't know which way I'm going to go (only me know that)
He knew what will happen if Adam ate the apple, but he didn't know if Adam will eat the apple or not, otherwise he wouldn't have put it there in the first place.
Which means God has a will and plan for everything, but not everything goes according to his plan. There's this post I saw on Facebook in 2016. When I find it I'll post it here

So in other words, what you're saying is that God isn't Omniscient. He doesn't know everything?

Well I'm sorry to tell you that the God you serve is not the Almighty, All-knowing, Everlasting God who created everything that exists.

You serve something else that isn't aware of everything.

ElsonMorali:


You are quoting another human being. Is he an authority on life and death and God's will?

I quoted the reason why Jesus died. Or is there another?

Tripleclick:
All this are natural phenomenon.. Accident having been happening for years and will continue to happen in every part of the world.. Some are caused by man and some a natural cause... Cancer didn't just appeared from nowhere .. Something caused it

And these natural phenomenon that have been happening for years, are they God's will or not?

Tripleclick:
I dnt think you understand what temptation is... When you are tempted.. God only knows what will happen if you choose right or left... That's why heaven celebrates if you overcome

So if you overcome the temptation, is it God's will that you overcome that temptation or not?

Everyone has an assignment on earth but the fulfillment of it depends solely on you and not everyone lives to fulfill his/her assignment on earth. Solely on you because you have to discover what assignment were you created for and 98% of people in the world don't even know what they are on earth for. You may not want to agree but I can tell you that you haven't discovered your own assignment via your responses. Should people discover and walk in their assignments, life would be a better place, a heaven on earth. But even Adam, despite being told his assignment, he still messed it up and brought death upon humanity. A 30 year old fellow could die because he's completed his assignment and a 70 year old folk could still be alive doing nothing than raping young girls which ain't his assignment. I have seen people who got killed before their TIME OF ARRIVAL. Is that the will of God? I have witnessed a man who got eaten up by his most cherished daughter just a week to his long awaited promotion. Is that the will of God?

A fellow who got frustrated and killed himself at a tender age of 15, I guess he has finished his assignment according to you and it's the will of God. You don't know what the will of God is sir.

And for what I mean by victory over death, u may wanna read 1 Corinthians 15:55-57. I'd seriously like to know what the death, resurrection and coronation of Jesus offers you. Thanks

seguno2:


What do you mean by “victory over death”?
Everyone dies when their assignment on earth is completed. Everyone, whether you term it early or ripe.

ElsonMorali:


I guess you're trying to make an allegory here.

You can't compare God's thinking with an imaginary or real human being.

We may not know why things happen because we can't see into the future, but God who is in the future as we speak allows His will to be done to achieve whatever end He pleases.

Everything that has happened, is happening and will happen in future are all encompassed in God's Knowledge and His Will.

Not evrrything is Gods will Mr!

The problem with equating everything to Gods will is that it throws away FREE WILL.
We were made in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of GOD. If you don't understand what an image is, think of it as a computer inage(iso). Where you rip contents of a CD and store into a flash.

Although the medium storing the content is different, but the content is the same. If your God isn't a robot why would you think Man has no free will


In genesis 6, the Bible says God saw the wickedness in mans heart and he was greiveing that he created man.

Now will you say God never knew Man would bring him so much pain? If I decide to go by your analogy of saying everything is his will, then what do you make of that verse of God regretting creating man?

Our God knows everything, he knows the starting and ending point, the summary is he knows the consequences of your actions he just DOESNT IMPOSE them.
In your words, everything is encompassed in his knowledge but not in his will

If everything's is playing according to Gods will, why would God have regretted creating man?
Why would the disciples have gone to preach salvation for man to choose?

Simple, we were born with the power of FREEWILL. some of our life actions is as a result of FREE WILL, QED!

jbtobsyn:

So if someone shoots you,it is the will of God in your life. I can make a second decision and kill someone,that is not death from God.

What you are saying is that God is powerless to prevent some deaths from happening, right?

CeeKay17:

Omniscient means all-knowing, omniscient doesn't mean clairvoyance. People should understand the difference. Are you saying God put the forbidden fruit in the garden knowing fully well that Adam is going to eat it? Are you saying God created Lucifer knowing fully well that he's going to rebel against him thus giving rise to the Satan we all know?
Understand the difference brother, God knew exactly what will happen if Adam ate the apple (that's omniscience). God didn't know if Adam will eat the apple or not (that's clairvoyance).
God created Lucifer and the other angels (that omnipotence), God didn't know Lucifer will eventually turn into Satan (that's clairvoyance)

Being clairvoyant falls under being omniscient bro, you're just confusing yourself

Jeezuzpick:


Since we're talking religion, OK, here goes:

Remember God told man not to eat of a particular tree saying he will surely die if he did? Well, man disobeyed and death became part of life.

Well,

One thing God will not change is His own word. He gave an instruction and clearly spelt out the consequence of disobedience. God will not bend His own rules. That's why He is God and not man. The Bible says He will not repent, which means He will not go back on His word.

Hell is simply the starkest reality of life without God. Nobody is "condemned" to hell. It's all free will.

Are you a Christian? Do you want to know the real Truth? Let God show you by Himself through His Spirit by His word. Never, repeat, never let men interpret the word for you.

Read it for yourself.

Peace.

lol

femi4:
You are wrong, Every death is not the will of God. The "will" we are talking about here represent God's desire. He's aware of every death but not all death are his will

You cannot compare Jesus' death to that of Judas Iscariot

Mt 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

You just contradicted yourself

CeeKay17:

Omniscient means all-knowing, omniscient doesn't mean clairvoyance. People should understand the difference. Are you saying God put the forbidden fruit in the garden knowing fully well that Adam is going to eat it? Are you saying God created Lucifer knowing fully well that he's going to rebel against him thus giving rise to the Satan we all know?
Understand the difference brother, God knew exactly what will happen if Adam ate the apple (that's omniscience). God didn't know if Adam will eat the apple or not (that's clairvoyance).
God created Lucifer and the other angels (that omnipotence), God didn't know Lucifer will eventually turn into Satan (that's clairvoyance)

Looooooollllll. I can't laugh abeg. You are very ignorant of the terms you're using.

Clairvoyance is a big word, but it shouldn't be so difficult to find out the meaning even if you're not involved in the occultic.

Go and find out the meaning of clairvoyance ok?

Just a hint, clairvoyance can never be used when you are referring to God.

And Omniscience can never be used when you're referring to any created being, be it man or angel.

You have a long way to go.

Yes an early death can be the will of God.


Take for example Jesus..

ElsonMorali:


Really? What action do you expect from someone who is going about her daily duty and goes to the market only to be in the same scene where a suicide bomber gets exploded?

What action are you expecting from the woman? Not to go to the market?

What she should do is to pray sincerely to God, if she doesn't pray Sincerely to God she will die.

Stop putting my God's name in vain. God does not kill

ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.

We condemn what we don't understand. Best way to prove a point is to understand it first.
And the understanding of true knowledge can't be hidden, even when you're mute, the fruits are obvious.
Such is the case of men of GOD.

If you were a scientist, that has the ability to make life, would you like to take it back... I doubt it, except if you love to destroy the work
Of your own hands. Even a wicked man doesn't want his works destroyed.
Take for instance, you buy an electronic gadget, and you're buoyant so that even if you destroy this newly acquired set, you can afford another, would you destroy the newly acquired because of that. No!
Another angle to it: dog lovers, will comprehend these... We cry, and get worried over our pets, we tend to them, we nurse them, we desire for them to flourish.
When they're in labor we hang between heaven and earth, when they thrive and are healthy, we show them off, and we're happy.
We never had the cause to pick one up and smash its life against the wall because we're GOD over them.

If you won't, why would GOD play dice with Human LIVES.?




Sin brought death, man was created to live forever, so GOD took advantage of death to make it an exit for man into
Another place where he would live forever without having to die nor disconnect from him GOD.
BUT HE SAID BEFORE THIS TIME: Genesis 6:3 So the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years."

If man dies before this specified period, it's either he's behind the fence of the Kingdom, or ignorant of this fact, whichever way, man is the course of his own death even if killed by a witch, because it takes the ignorance and the lack of the application of the word of GOD to get killed by a mere witch, and even one reading this, and a wizard too if one happens to be reading this.


HENCE, WE HAVE OVERCOME DEATH, BECAUSE, DEATH HAS BEEN DESTROYED, IT'S DEEP THAN THE SURFACE.

You are spiritually sound. I heard a Pastor was dedicated to Satan in Ukraine.


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ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.

ElsonMorali:



Looooooollllll. I can't laugh abeg. You are very ignorant of the terms you're using.

Clairvoyance is a big word, but it shouldn't be so difficult to find out the meaning even if you're not involved in the occultic.

Go and find out the meaning of clairvoyance ok?

Just a hint, clairvoyance can never be used when you are referring to God.

And Omniscience can never be used when you're referring to any created being, be it man or angel.

You have a long way to go.

It's funny how you've typed about 13 paragraphs already without even making a single point. I don't see any point in continuing this discussion to be honest

hopefulLandlord:


Being clairvoyant falls under being omniscient bro, you're just confusing yourself

You're the one confusing yourself bro. If you want to make points, bring facts to back them up rather than just stating your opinion and passing them off as facts.

Lonestar124:
What God do not determine shall not be done.....Some people die undue because they chose to live in isolation of God.

If you're born to be use by your creator he will protect you till your mission is accomplish.

what if your mission is accomplished at 20

Ramon92:
lol

You can lol all you like, but if you sincerely ask questiins, you will get answers.

clefstone:
what if your mission is accomplished at 20

Jesus accomplished his at 33.

There is a time to be born and a time to die is conclusive of the fact that everyone has his appointed time. I mean all creature has his heavenly Nafdac number to expire , dissolve terminate and die.
The word used for death in the bible is not the same going by either the Hebrew Latin or Greek root word. In the case of Job, the word used for his death is "GARA" meaning cessation of existence after a long period. The meaning of the word used for Jesus death is for someone forced out of existence by getting killed, the one used for Joseph is for death after fulfilment.
let me bother you with the technical.words. Let me use a good illustration. If NAFDAC approves of a product you get the Nafdac number to be in the market , to exist and fulfil its purpose of registration either to cure malaria or gives blood. In the course of sojourning in the market it is possible the product may remain on the shelf without getting anyone to buy it until it expires. That is for a life though unfulfilled and without purpose until death. We are talking about a life troubled and tossed until full age without achieving his purpose.
We can have it also in a way that a thug entered the shop the second week of displaying the product and destroyed the drug and others these are souls destroyed at unripe age due to wickedness but it is never the fault of NAFDAC. All the same the broken and destroyed products are welcome back home in the dustbin or grave. Moreso if a registered product has become injurious and a nuisance to public health, Nafdac can have it recalled and destroyed even before complering his cycle. Tgis represent children of perdition and toxic creatures. This is the way I can deliver and l explain

CeeKay17:

How can you tell if that's God's will or not? Maybe I don't know what God's will is, but here what the bible says in Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Note the keyword "expected end". God has an expected end for all of us, it doesn't mean that "expected end" is going to come to pass.
God said "expected end" he didn't say "definite or certain end"

First, how do I know it's God's will? Because nothing happens outside of God's will. That's how I know.

Second, death is not evil. Real life begins after death.

Third, expected end? I guess you're assuming that the phrase expected end means expected death?

Wrong! How many humans who ever die knew exactly how and when and where they would die? Or are they all sinners who die unexpectedly which is majority of all human beings?

Get real and stop misquoting the Bible to fit your own or your pastor's narrative of who or what God should be like.

You'll need greater spiritual clarity to understand what is meant by expected end there.

Jeezuzpick:


Since we're talking religion, OK, here goes:

Remember God told man not to eat of a particular tree saying he will surely die if he did? Well, man disobeyed and death became part of life.

Well,

One thing God will not change is His own word. He gave an instruction and clearly spelt out the consequence of disobedience. God will not bend His own rules. That's why He is God and not man. The Bible says He will not repent, which means He will not go back on His word.

Hell is simply the starkest reality of life without God. Nobody is "condemned" to hell. It's all free will.

Are you a Christian? Do you want to know the real Truth? Let God show you by Himself through His Spirit by His word. Never, repeat, never let men interpret the word for you.

Read it for yourself.

Peace.

Yet some people are saying it was the will of God for man to eat the forbidden fruit. How some people reason baffles me gan.
How it be God's will for so much evil and suffering to happen to mankind yet they still say he's all good, loving & kind.
God gave us the power of choice, he doesn't impose his will on man, but he can decide to intervene in some cases.

ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.

I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE BEING DELUSIONED HERE!

ollah2:



I quoted the reason why Jesus died. Or is there another?

Jesus died because it was God's will.

chukzyfcbb:

Not evrrything is Gods will Mr!

The problem with equating everything to Gods will is that it throws away FREE WILL.
We were made in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of GOD. If you don't understand what an image is, think of it as a computer inage(iso). Where you rip contents of a CD and store into a flash.

Although the medium storing the content is different, but the content is the same. If your God isn't a robot why would you think Man has no free will


In genesis 6, the Bible says God saw the wickedness in mans heart and he was greiveing that he created man.

Now will you say God never knew Man would bring him so much pain? If I decide to go by your analogy of saying everything is his will, then what do you make of that verse of God regretting creating man?

Our God knows everything, he knows the starting and ending point, the summary is he knows the consequences of your actions he just DOESNT IMPOSE them.
In your words, everything is encompassed in his knowledge but not in his will

If everything's is playing according to Gods will, why would God have regretted creating man?
Why would the disciples have gone to preach salvation for man to choose?

Simple, we were born with the power of FREEWILL. some of our life actions is as a result of FREE WILL, QED!

Assuming you're walking on a street, then I come over and stab you in the heart.

Could God have rescued you?

If yes, why didn't he?

If no, does that mean he's powerless to stop me from stabbing you?