speedchariot:
You are spiritually sound. I heard a Pastor was dedicated to Satan in Ukraine.


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You heard a man titled pastor. Pastor is a Tittle. A Christian is whom we are talking about.
And endeavor to pay more attention to those who are christians rather than those hiding under the umbrella of Christianity.
You go to the mechanics workshop daily doesn't make you a mechanic.

ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.

We condemn what we don't understand. Best way to prove a point is to understand it first.
And the understanding of true knowledge can't be hidden, even when you're mute, the fruits are obvious.
Such is the case of true men of GOD.

If you were a scientist, that has the ability to make life, would you like to take it back... I doubt it, except if you love to destroy the work
Of your own hands. Even a wicked man doesn't want his works destroyed.
Take for instance, you buy an electronic gadget, and you're buoyant so that even if you destroy this newly acquired set, you can afford another, would you destroy the newly acquired because of that. No!
Another angle to it: dog lovers, will comprehend these... We cry, and get worried over our pets, we tend to them, we nurse them, we desire for them to flourish.
When they're in labor we hang between heaven and earth, when they thrive and are healthy, we show them off, and we're happy.
We never had the cause to pick one up and smash its life against the wall because we're GOD over them.

If you won't, why would GOD play dice with Human LIVES.?




Sin brought death, man was created to live forever, so GOD took advantage of death to make it an exit for man into
Another place where he would live forever without having to die nor disconnect from him GOD.
BUT HE SAID BEFORE THIS TIME: Genesis 6:3 So the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years."

If man dies before this specified period, it's either he's behind the fence of the Kingdom, or ignorant of this fact, whichever way, man is the course of his own death even if killed by a witch, because it takes the ignorance and the lack of the application of the word of GOD to get killed by a mere witch, and even one reading this, and a wizard too if one happens to be reading this.


HENCE, WE HAVE OVERCOME DEATH, BECAUSE, DEATH HAS BEEN DESTROYED, IT'S DEEP THAN THE SURFACE.

ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.

Hmmm I beg to disagree. So you all this plane crashing here and there is the will of God

Do you know that the numbers of death recorded in Africa yearly is higher than the once been recorded in the west.Eg. America? Do you know how many people who died by mosquitoes alone? Yet this was easily cotailed by the Europeans. Does it means that God love them more than he love Africans.?

johnnyvid:
Can A Person’s Early Death Be The Will Of God - Pastor Sunday Adelaja. watch the interview Here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc375-kCjVo

is this an advert for his book? at least, he should have referenced some bible passages before his book.

ElsonMorali:


First, how do I know it's God's will? Because nothing happens outside of God's will. That's how I know.

Second, death is not evil. Real life begins after death.

Third, expected end? I guess you're assuming that the phrase expected end means expected death?

Wrong! How many humans who ever die knew exactly how and when and where they would die? Or are they all sinners who die unexpectedly which is majority of all human beings?

Get real and stop misquoting the Bible to fit your own or your pastor's narrative of who or what God should be like.

You'll need greater spiritual clarity to understand what is meant by expected end there.

Where in my post did I imply that evil means death? Where in my post did I impy that expected end means death? How can you take my statement and turn it into whatever you feel like just to suit your argument?

I remember saying evil things such ISIS, Boko-haram, homosexuality, incest, rape, genocide, murder, fornication etc. You can't tell me when these things happen, it is the will of God even when God clearly told us in the bible that such things are evil
God clearly spelled out what is good and what is evil and you're telling me when evil happens, it it the will of God?

Where in the bible did it say nothing can be done outside the will of God? Even Jesus said "thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven" what does that tell you?
God clearly instructed Adam not to eat the apple, lest he dies, and you're still saying it was God's will for him to eat the apple? Does that even make any sense to you?
You need to stop being so close minded, you won't gain anything from it.

herraph:


What she should do is to pray sincerely to God, if she doesn't pray Sincerely to God she will die.

Stop putting my God's name in vain. God does not kill

Lol. You're being emotional. This has got nothing to do with emotions.

Now picture a group of travelers who board a bus at the motor park.

As the bus leaves the park someone in the bus starts a prayer and they all say amen.

The bus midway in its journey has an accident and they all die.

What do you say to that in light of your response that anybody who dies is because they did not pray sincerely to God.

As for the statement that God does not kill, you are very ignorant.

If God does not take your life do you think it's possible for someone else to take your life?

If God says you're not going to die, who can kill you?

Smh

First to understand GOD, look at your good parents. What won't they do for you to be comfortable in life.
How much more of GOD.

ElsonMorali:


Assuming you're walking on a street, then I come over and stab you in the heart.

Could God have rescued you?

If yes, why didn't he?

If no, does that mean he's powerless to stop me from stabbing you?

Your question is out of line. rephrase it to align with the subject topic. thank you.

post=68130729:
Not every death is the will of God....

This is a True man of God.

More of these videos Op.

So what u mean is that God doesn't know before or when someone dies abi? U need a good slap to reboot ur brains.

ElsonMorali:


Lol. You're being emotional. This has got nothing to do with emotions.

Now picture a group of travelers who board a bus at the motor park.

As the bus leaves the park someone in the bus starts a prayer and they all say amen.

The bus midway in its journey has an accident and they all die.

What do you say to that in light of your response that anybody who dies is because they did not pray sincerely to God.

As for the statement that God does not kill, you are very ignorant.

If God does not take your life do you think it's possible for someone else to take your life?

If God says you're not going to die, who can kill you?

Smh

John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will.

GRACEGLORY:









We condemn what we don't understand. Best way to prove a point is to understand it first.
And the understanding of true knowledge can't be hidden, even when you're mute, the fruits are obvious.
Such is the case of men of GOD.

If you were a scientist, that has the ability to make life, would you like to take it back... I doubt it, except if you love to destroy the work
Of your own hands. Even a wicked man doesn't want his works destroyed.
Take for instance, you buy an electronic gadget, and you're buoyant so that even if you destroy this newly acquired set, you can afford another, would you destroy the newly acquired because of that. No!
Another angle to it: dog lovers, will comprehend these... We cry, and get worried over our pets, we tend to them, we nurse them, we desire for them to flourish.
When they're in labor we hang between heaven and earth, when they thrive and are healthy, we show them off, and we're happy.
We never had the cause to pick one up and smash its life against the wall because we're GOD over them.

If you won't, why would GOD play dice with Human LIVES.?




Sin brought death, man was created to live forever, so GOD took advantage of death to make it an exit for man into
Another place where he would live forever without having to die nor disconnect from him GOD.
BUT HE SAID BEFORE THIS TIME: Genesis 6:3 So the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years."

If man dies before this specified period, it's either he's behind the fence of the Kingdom, or ignorant of this fact, whichever way, man is the course of his own death even if killed by a witch, because it takes the ignorance and the lack of the application of the word of GOD to get killed by a mere witch, and even one reading this, and a wizard too if one happens to be reading this.


HENCE, WE HAVE OVERCOME DEATH, BECAUSE, DEATH HAS BEEN DESTROYED, IT'S DEEP THAN THE SURFACE.

You are contradicting yourself.

Point to who is not going to die in this world.

Do you pray to live till you're 300 years old on this earth?

Sometimes I just wonder if people think deep about what they claim they believe in.

If death has been destroyed why do Christina die then?

Princewell2012:


Hmmm I beg to disagree. So you all this plane crashing here and there is the will of God

Do you know that the numbers of recorded in Africa yearly is higher than the once been recorded in the west.Eg. America? Do you know how many people who by mosquitoes alone? Yet this was easily cotailed by the Europeans. Does it means that God love them more than he love Africans.?

If these aren't God's will are you saying that God is powerless to stop these deaths?

ElsonMorali:


Jesus died because it was God's will.

But Jesus is supposed to be God according to Christendom

ElsonMorali:


You are contradicting yourself.

Point to who is not going to die in this world.

Do you pray to live till you're 300 years old on this earth?

Sometimes I just wonder if people think deep about what they claim they believe in.

If death has been destroyed why do Christina die then?

We don't die, we exit this world to the another place I mentioned above, as this place is corrupt.

The Apostle Paul spoke of this in 2 Corinthians 5:1-8:

For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing ... we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life ... we know that as long as we live in these bodies we are not at home with the Lord. For we live by believing and not by seeing. Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. (NLT)

CeeKay17:

Where in my post did I imply that evil means death? Where in my post did I impy that expected end means death? How can you take my statement and turn it into whatever you feel like just to suit your argument?

I remember saying evil things such ISIS, Boko-haram, homosexuality, incest, rape, genocide, murder, fornication etc. You can't tell me when these things happen, it is the will of God even when God clearly told us in the bible that such things are evil
God clearly spelled out what is good and what is evil and you're telling me when evil happens, it it the will of God?

Where in the bible did it say nothing can be done outside the will of God? Even Jesus said "thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven" what does that tell you?
God clearly instructed Adam not to eat the apple, lest he dies, and you're still saying it was God's will for him to eat the apple? Does that even make any sense to you?
You need to stop being so close minded, you won't gain anything from it.

You are the close minded one who believe absolutely whatever his pastor says.

Open your mind and free your mind. okay?

To suggest that anything can happen outside the will of God is to say that God's knowledge is deficient or his might is deficient.

If God is all knowing (and He is) didn't he know that Adam and Eve will eat of the fruit of the garden?

If God is all powerful why can't he kill the devil now and stop him from tempting people to sin and causing hardship for mankind?

Go figure.

chukzyfcbb:

Not evrrything is Gods will Mr!

The problem with equating everything to Gods will is that it throws away FREE WILL.
We were made in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of GOD. If you don't understand what an image is, think of it as a computer inage(iso). Where you rip contents of a CD and store into a flash.

Although the medium storing the content is different, but the content is the same. If your God isn't a robot why would you think Man has no free will


In genesis 6, the Bible says God saw the wickedness in mans heart and he was greiveing that he created man.

Now will you say God never knew Man would bring him so much pain? If I decide to go by your analogy of saying everything is his will, then what do you make of that verse of God regretting creating man?

Our God knows everything, he knows the starting and ending point, the summary is he knows the consequences of your actions he just DOESNT IMPOSE them.
In your words, everything is encompassed in his knowledge but not in his will

If everything's is playing according to Gods will, why would God have regretted creating man?
Why would the disciples have gone to preach salvation for man to choose?

Simple, we were born with the power of FREEWILL. some of our life actions is as a result of FREE WILL, QED!

Exactly. How can you regret something you obviously knew it was going to happen? Unfortunately some people just choose to follow religion blindly!

chukzyfcbb:

Your question is out of line. rephrase it to align with the subject topic. thank you.

Obviously you don't understand the question.

Read it in light of your last response that I quoted before this one. Thank you.

ElsonMorali:


You are the close minded one who believe absolutely whatever his pastor says.

Open your mind and free your mind. okay?

To suggest that anything can happen outside the will of God is to say that God's knowledge is deficient or his might is deficient.

If God is all knowing (and He is) didn't he know that Adam and Eve will eat of the fruit of the garden?

If God is all powerful why can't he kill the devil now and stop him from tempting people to sin and causing hardship for mankind?

Go figure.

NO need to argue you two BROTHERS, let's win souls, they're here. LET'S EXPLAIN ETERNAL LIFE TO THEM, SO THAT GOD WILL ENLIGHTEN THEM.

ElsonMorali:


You are the close minded one who believe absolutely whatever his pastor says.

Open your mind and free your mind. okay?

To suggest that anything can happen outside the will of God is to say that God's knowledge is deficient or his might is deficient.

If God is all knowing (and He is) didn't he know that Adam and Eve will eat of the fruit of the garden?

If God is all powerful why can't he kill the devil now and stop him from tempting people to sin and causing hardship for mankind?

Go figure.

You've been dodging my questions all day. Where in the bible did it say nothing can be done outside God's will?
With your last 2 questions, I don't even know the point you are driving at honestly

GRACEGLORY:







John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will.

Good. And I guess you can tell who a sinner is?

How did you come about that faculty if I may ask?

Also, are you saying that there are some few people on this earth who are thousands of years old, people like Peter and Paul. Because they did God's will and you'd expect them not to die. Right?

I heard Peter was crucified upside down. That's quite a revelation considering the fact that only sinners are billed to die painful deaths, don't you think?

ollah2:


But Jesus is supposed to be God according to Christendom

Are you a Christian?

CeeKay17:

Exactly. How can you regret something you obviously knew it was going to happen? Unfortunately some people just choose to follow religion blindly!

That's it bro, some people are stuck in the shell they fail to open their minds.
When it comes to matter of life and death they will say its destiny.

Ask them about that their uncle or brother who is broke jobless and has no penny. if its the will of God for him to remain like that?
and you will hear them tell you tales of how their uncle is lazy or a womanizer or this and that (free will).

Its only in matters of life and death, religious people agree its Fate playing it. The hypocrisy stinks!

ElsonMorali:


If these aren't God's will are you saying that God is powerless to stop these deaths?

Are you an atheist? Because I think I'm starting to understand where you're driving at. A quote I heard in a movie just came to my mind

“If God is all-powerful He cannot be good, if God is good He cannot be all-powerful!”

– Lex Luthor in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Is that the point you're trying to make?

ElsonMorali:


Obviously you don't understand the question.

Read it in light of your last response that I quoted before this one. Thank you.

.
You are just replying everyone with nothing tangible to show for.

FREEWILL was given to MAN and his life actions sometimes will be as a result of his actions. you either accept it or keep being ignorant.

GRACEGLORY:





We don't die, we exit this world to the another place I mentioned above, as this place is corrupt.

The Apostle Paul spoke of this in 2 Corinthians 5:1-8:

For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing ... we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life ... we know that as long as we live in these bodies we are not at home with the Lord. For we live by believing and not by seeing. Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. (NLT)

Like I said you're contradicting yourself and this is straying from the topic.

All things that happen are contained in God's will.

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/does-god-know-the-exact-day-i-will-die

Listen

GRACEGLORY:





NO need to argue you two BROTHERS, let's win souls, they're here. LET'S EXPLAIN ETERNAL LIFE TO THEM, SO THAT GOD WILL ENLIGHTEN THEM.

We can only enlighten them if we ourselves know the truth otherwise we'll mislead them, right?

CeeKay17:

You've been dodging my questions all day. Where in the bible did it say nothing can be done outside God's will?
With your last 2 questions, I don't even know the point you are driving at honestly

And where in the Bible does it say that something can be done outside the will of God?

CeeKay17:

Are you an atheist? Because I think I'm starting to understand where you're driving at. A quote I heard in a movie just came to my mind

“If God is all-powerful He cannot be good, if God is good He cannot be all-powerful!”

– Lex Luthor in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Is that the point you're trying to make?

The point I'm trying to make is that NOTHING and I mean absolutely NOTHING happens outside if God's will.

To claim that it does is to say that God isn't Omnipotent or Omniscient.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

LosVikingos:


You just contradicted yourself

you lack understanding. You don't even know my position concerning the topic

saintol:
Only God understands His own will, how will I know if it is the will of God or not when I am not God. All I ever know is life is something and nothing at the same time.

The Word of God is the will of God.
What does His Word says as touching death? That's how to understand the will of God in any matter.
His word says - You shall not die but live to declare the Glory of God.
But He also says in Hosea 4:6, My people perish for lack of knowledge.
So, most times, it is our Ignorance of the Word and our role in playing our responsibility in the fulfilment of the promise that leads to death.

Happy Sunday!

seguno2:


How do you know that it was not God’s will

After the murder, the devil hurried to Eve shouting: "Eve! Cain has murdered Abel!". Eve did not know what murder was or how death felt like.

That was the first death