nelszx:

For the first time, i agree with you on something.

PharmD, MLS.D, DPT all been approved by NUC as minimum academic benchmark for undergraduate suggest grey areas that needs to be exploited.

ahahahahahaha. what difference does it.make? people with pharm.D are even quarrelling with those with B.Pharm becoz they have no added advantage neither is there an extra benefit or salary recognition.Iy I were to be in position of things I would grant Doctor of whatso ever to u guys but u'd come out more frustrated when u facee reality struggling with testtube and for salary. I see the degree is the issue. It would even cause intra-professional discourse btw those with Ds and Bs because they would be no difference in renumeration.
the extra one year and failing out of school would just be a total waste. Dr.of physiotherapy was given out in UNN even wen I was an undergraduate. They came out with frustrated faces because I was still ahead of them with my Bachelor degree. NUC is just anouncing it now to give u guys 'false sense' of victory. Trust me it is politics. Go check if there is any increment in renumeration in respect to the change of Title.
If at all there will be Dmls,Dradio or Dnursing u would just be bearing title with no corresponding renuneration. NUC can give titles but FG has fixed CONHESS relative to CONMESS.
Go and ask ur D.pharm colleagues what difference or edge it gives them over B.pharm.
Did you just say this is the first time u agree with me? So you didn't agree that u were wrong for using fAB to stage CML? Don't make me tag you 'incorrigible idiot' my friend.

TempoJames:


Did you just say this is the first time u agree with me? So you didn't agree that u were wrong for using fAB to stage CML? Don't make me tag you 'incorrigible idiot' my friend.

I'm not one who doesn't take to correction when posed with one (superior argument). I must have mistakenly used FAB to classify CML which you have outrightly corrected. The reason I didn't quote you to dispel your claims.

nelszx:


I'm not one who doesn't take to correction when posed with one (superior argument). I must have mistakenly used FAB to classify CML which you have outrightly corrected. The reason I didn't quote you to dispel your claims.

First time a johesuite takes responsibilities on this thread. I commend you for Johesu chairman.

TempoJames:


First time a johesuite takes responsibilities on this thread. I commend you for Johesu chairman.

Resently a PharmD refused to sit with other Pharmacist in the NYSC dispensing cubicle. His greviance was that he should be with the Doctors scrutinising rationale for Doctors prescription. All the Ds in this title will definitely cause professional disharmony. A NurseD will tell u she won't take orders to do dressing.

However, with all due respect, even if records start a Doctorate of 9years, MBBS still remain the king and any effort of upgrade other courses will lead many frustrated. I won't add a penny to the salary of my Lab Scientist even if he brings Consultant MLSD-PHD. These rubbish is only geered towards the Civil service.

TempoJames:


First time a johesuite takes responsibilities on this thread. I commend you for Johesu chairman.

And I commend you to take responsibility for 1/47 and 1/73 titre goofing too

MrBigiman:


Resently a PharmD refused to sit with other Pharmacist in the NYSC dispensing cubicle. His greviance was that he should be with the Doctors scrutinising rationale for Doctors prescription. All the Ds in this title will definitely cause professional disharmony. A NurseD will tell u she won't take orders to do dressing.

However, with all due respect, even if records start a Doctorate of 9years, MBBS still remain the king and any effort of upgrade other courses will lead many frustrated. I won't add a penny to the salary of my Lab Scientist even if he brings Consultant MLSD-PHD. These rubbish is only geered towards the Civil service.

Don't worry your head about the future
When the TIME comes that bridge will be crossed

nelszx:

And I commend you to take responsibility for 1/47 and 1/73 titre goofing too

Your fellow johesuite #phase1 brought up the values not me. So how am I sure he wasn't the one that conducted it? I only made him see they r separate results....

LOLZz

Mr bigimann dicck measuring contest continues. Is he really a doctor? I truly doubt it.

MrBigiman:


Resently a PharmD refused to sit with other Pharmacist in the NYSC dispensing cubicle. His greviance was that he should be with the Doctors scrutinising rationale for Doctors prescription. All the Ds in this title will definitely cause professional disharmony. A NurseD will tell u she won't take orders to do dressing.

However, with all due respect, even if records start a Doctorate of 9years, MBBS still remain the king and any effort of upgrade other courses will lead many frustrated. I won't add a penny to the salary of my Lab Scientist even if he brings Consultant MLSD-PHD. These rubbish is only geered towards the Civil service.

Its already happening btw Degree nurses and matrons. So when D-nurse is added it will be 3 heirachies in Nursing.
Anyway with time things will get better.
All this misdemeanours are ravaging in Nigeria because of the economic system. When a johesuite go home at d end of d month with 150k and yet it doesn't solve financial issues he/she feels like the extra 30-50K for doctors will make him/her rich.
I have 2 colleagues from sec school working as medlab scientists in all saints university of medicine but they have no problem with a doctor being CMD or pathologist heading d lab because their pay is appreciable.
If u trace the agitations of johesu you will see its not just mere academic title or headship issue but poverty. Johesu should not try to tresspass relativity what they should do is that both parties(johesu n NMA) work together and fight for proper renumeration of health/medical worker across board. Ofcourse relativity is not evident only in Nigeria but even Britain where we got our medicine from.

TempoJames:


Its already happening btw Degree nurses and matrons. So when D-nurse is added it will be 3 heirachies in Nursing.
Anyway with time things will get better.
All this misdemeanours are ravaging in Nigeria because of the economic system. When a johesuite go home at d end of d month with 150k and yet it doesn't solve financial issues he/she feels like the extra 30-50K for doctors will make him/her rich.
I have 2 colleagues from sec school working as medlab scientists in all saints university of medicine but they have no problem with a doctor being CMD or pathologist heading d lab because their pay is appreciable.
If u trace the agitations of johesu you will see its not just mere academic title or headship issue but poverty. Johesu should not try to tresspass relativity what they should do is that both parties(johesu n NMA) work together and fight for proper renumeration of health/medical worker across board. Ofcourse relativity is not evident only in Nigeria but even Britain where we got our medicine from.

I differ bro. Johesu's biggest problem is not finances but indiscipline and corruption. Doctors are also going through financial crises. Indiscipline, inferiority complex, greed and jealousy has constituted a complex mesh that only dictatorial rulership can solve.

BSC nurses are refusing to wear white uniform, asking for Uniform allowance. I am sure the problems will compound till a state of emergency and fresh job appraisal is done in our health sector.

MrBigiman:


I differ bro. Johesu's biggest problem is not finances but indiscipline and corruption. Doctors are also going through financial crises. Indiscipline, inferiority complex, greed and jealousy has constituted a complex mesh that only dictatorial rulership can solve.

BSC nurses are refusing to wear white uniform, asking for Uniform allowance. I am sure the problems will compound till a state of emergency and fresh job appraisal is done in our health sector.

hahahaha...uniform allowance? Soon the employers will have to pay them for wearing handgloves/nose-masks while attending to px. Let me reserve the word 'illiteracy' for further surprises. I wonder if they weren't taught their uniform is part of universal precautions. So the employer has to pay for both hazards and safety?
Nigeria is a wonderful country though.

TempoJames:




hahahaha...uniform allowance? Soon the employers will have to pay them for wearing handgloves/nose-masks while attending to px. Let me reserve the word 'illiteracy' for further surprises. I wonder if they weren't taught their uniform is part of universal precautions. So the employer has to pay for both hazards and safety?
Nigeria is a wonderful country though.

That's d position we have in our teaching hospitals now. A union AGONSA, for graduate nurses have been formed, and they are showing to be more vengeful than even Johesu, spitting fire and reminding everyone that they are graduates nurses with 5yrs in school. Their proposal for nursing to be 6yrs and DNSC degree is almost at the last stage. They are also agitating for freedom to practice without supervision, the so called N-practitioners. The country just entered the real soup. It's time to call for a state of emergency.

MrBigiman:


Resently a PharmD refused to sit with other Pharmacist in the NYSC dispensing cubicle. His greviance was that he should be with the Doctors scrutinising rationale for Doctors prescription. All the Ds in this title will definitely cause professional disharmony. A NurseD will tell u she won't take orders to do dressing.

However, with all due respect, even if records start a Doctorate of 9years, MBBS still remain the king and any effort of upgrade other courses will lead many frustrated. I won't add a penny to the salary of my Lab Scientist even if he brings Consultant MLSD-PHD. These rubbish is only geered towards the Civil service.

No serious Medical Scientist works for a numbskull ego-fragile physician for a long term basis. I have never worked for any. I can't stand empty-headed idiots. I've met physicians who don't even know the value of Quality control.

I have colleagues who run clinics and hospitals as CEO in Lagos, Anambra and Imo. One was a classmate, a Med lab Scientist and he employs physicians. He has a hospital, pharmacies and medical laboratories. The physicians are happy to work and he pays them what they are worth and they don't bicker. He won't raise their fees too because they have PHDs and postgraduates certificates.

TempoJames:


Your fellow johesuite #phase1 brought up the values not me. So how am I sure he wasn't the one that conducted it? I only made him see they r separate results....

Lol.. You are still licking your wound. I exposed ridiculous figures of a lab result I got from a physician owned hospital who refused to employ trained Scientists in order to expose the quackery of physicians in laboratory practice and you validated that fake result by validating the ridiculous values.

phase1:


Lol.. You are still licking your wound. I exposed ridiculous figures of a lab result I got from a physician owned hospital who refused to employ trained Scientists in order to expose the quackery of physicians in laboratory practice and you validated that fake result by validating the ridiculous values.

I see u have a dull brain and can't understand the meaning of "separate results"
I know no physician could make such mistake atleast not a pathologist.
You said the other time that a consultant wrote an article stating N.gonorrhea is gm+ve I asked u to provide screen shots or snap shots of the article u became mute.
This is the last time I reply ur stupidity.
You are a damn idiot!

phase1:


No serious Medical Scientist works for a numbskull ego-fragile physician for a long term basis. I have never worked for any. I can't stand empty-headed idiots. I've met physicians who don't even know the value of Quality control.

I have colleagues who run clinics and hospitals as CEO in Lagos, Anambra and Imo. One was a classmate, a Med lab Scientist and he employs physicians. He has a hospital, pharmacies and medical laboratories. The physicians are happy to work and he pays them what they are worth and they don't bicker. He won't raise their fees too because they have PHDs and postgraduates certificates.

Calling me all sort of names is not fair to me. I've not insulted u before, though u take out time to haul insults at me. I am used to it any ways. And Johesu used their 40day plus achieving nothing but cursing Doctors.

TempoJames:



I see u have a dull brain and can't understand the meaning of "separate results"
I know no physician could make such mistake atleast not a pathologist.
You said the other time that a consultant wrote an article stating N.gonorrhea is gm+ve I asked u to provide screen shots or snap shots of the article u became mute.
This is the last time I reply ur stupidity.
You are a damn idiot!

Mr man, I know you feel embarrassed that an 'ordinary technician' (according to you) exposed you ineptitude and ignorance in the laboratory field which you always claim superiority. If you hadn't tried to trivialize my profession you wouldn't have been so intellectual battered.

It is an open secret many of you cantankerous wardmen cover your ignorance in ward coats and gallivant around with empty skulls yet claim undeserved superiority. I organize audiovisual medical science seminars and many of your superiors pay to attend. I respect the ones who are level-headed but the empty ones amongst you make the loudest noise.

Enabulele your former NMA chairman was an empty noisemaker feeling funky in lab coat. Go and pick up the Sun newspaper published on November 28, 2014 flip to page 38 and read his gaffes. A noisemaker who calls himself a pathologist and wanted to boss around Scientists in the laboratory but can't focus a light microscope. Shame!

MrBigiman:


Calling me all sort of names is not fair to me. I've not insulted u before, though u take out time to haul insults at me. I am used to it any ways. And Johesu used their 40day plus achieving nothing but cursing Doctors.

Many of you physicians lack emotional intelligence. You enjoy insulting JOHESU personalities instead of tackling issues, yet lament when called to order in the same manner.

You have been insulting others health professionals since the days of ill-fated days of Ransome-kuti as health minister. You claim you are the leader of the health team but enjoy seeing other health professionals break palm kernel to survive while you negotiate your salaries alone. NMA was selfish and deserve no respect.

Now that JOhesu have become stronger and have decided to chart their own course they are running helter-skelter and demanding to be part of a negotiation to determine the pay of a people they despise. Na cane una go chop if una near that negotiation venue.



Respect is earned not given. NMA have lost their reverance and relevance due to selfishness and greed forever.

phase1:


No serious Medical Scientist works for a numbskull ego-fragile physician for a long term basis. I have never worked for any. I can't stand empty-headed idiots. I've met physicians who don't even know the value of Quality control.

I have colleagues who run clinics and hospitals as CEO in Lagos, Anambra and Imo. One was a classmate, a Med lab Scientist and he employs physicians. He has a hospital, pharmacies and medical laboratories. The physicians are happy to work and he pays them what they are worth and they don't bicker. He won't raise their fees too because they have PHDs and postgraduates certificates.

During my interview recently, I had 7 lab scientist present, scrambling for a single position. Yes I use more technicians and one scientitst, because it's the same end result.

U think those 7 are insane? I chose the most humble one among them because a rather ill-mannered lady claimed she is a Chemical Pathologist. Even though she performed best, I saw that she was not taken. Let her take her unhealthy ego off our facility. It's about 4months now and the boy has no sign of leaving. I have made him at home and he sees the peace a physician can give.

Please matron in nursing is an archaic term which has been thrown into the dustbin of history where it belongs. What we have now is nursing officers including university and schools of nursing graduates.
Maybe my male colleagues are called patron oo since they are men
Doctor of nursing practice / Nurse practitioner degree is coming so watch out....your cry will reach a Crecendo then.

MrBigiman:


During my interview recently, I had 7 lab scientist present, scrambling for a single position. Yes I use more technicians and one scientitst, because it's the same end result.

U think those 7 are insane? I chose the most humble one among them because a rather ill-mannered lady claimed she is a Chemical Pathologist. Even though she performed best, I saw that she was not taken. Let her take her unhealthy ego off our facility. It's about 4months now and the boy has no sign of leaving. I have made him at home and he sees the peace a physician can give.

She performed best because she is an intelligent Scientist and you felt threatened with her intellect as a Scientist. That's your business, others will appreciate her intellect if you don't. You don't feed her.

Like I always advise Junior Scientists, working in a mushroom clinic and fake laboratory owned by one ego-bloated insecure physician such yours shouldn't be endpoint of their careers. It should be a transient point. If they must work in private hospitals it should be a proper hospital owned by missionaries or investors with a proper management board and well-defined administrative structure. There are many of them. I have never attended a job interview conducted by a physician. It was always Scientists who interviewed me.

A proper hospital won't have one physician conducting interviews in fields he is not an expert just like you did, they do conference interviews and invite expert Scientists to interview Scientists, Physicians interviews physicians, Nurses interview the Nurse applicants etc.

Your clinic is either a mushroom clinic or just a figment of your imagination.

phase1:


She performed best because she is an intelligent Scientist and you felt threatened with her intellect as a Scientist. That's your business, others will appreciate her intellect if you don't. You don't feed her.

Like I always advise Junior Scientists, working in a mushroom clinic owned by one ego-bloated insecure physician such yours shouldn't be endpoint of their careers. It should be a transient point. If they must work in private hospitals it should be a proper hospital owned by missionaries or investors with a proper management board and well-defined administrative structure. There are many of them. I have never attended a job interview conducted by a physician. It was always Scientists who interviewed me.

A proper hospital won't have one physician conducting interviews in a field he is not an expert just like you did, they do conference interviews and invite expert Scientists to interview Scientists, Physicians interviews physicians, Nurses interview the Nurse applicants etc.

Your clinic is either a mushroom clinic or just a figment of your imagination.

I am not a medical practitioner at all but from your posts here, I can say you are very good in your chosen career. I like the way you proved your points with facts and not with emotions. You know your worth and I can say you are an asset to our medical industry. Nice one, guy

phase1:


She performed best because she is an intelligent Scientist and you felt threatened with her intellect as a Scientist. That's your business, others will appreciate her intellect if you don't. You don't feed her.

Like I always advise Junior Scientists, working in a mushroom clinic owned by one ego-bloated insecure physician such yours shouldn't be endpoint of their careers. It should be a transient point. If they must work in private hospitals it should be a proper hospital owned by missionaries or investors with a proper management board and well-defined administrative structure. There are many of them. I have never attended a job interview conducted by a physician. It was always Scientists who interviewed me.

A proper hospital won't have one physician conducting interviews in a field he is not an expert just like you did, they do conference interviews and invite expert Scientists to interview Scientists, Physicians interviews physicians, Nurses interview the Nurse applicants etc.

Your clinic is either a mushroom clinic or just a figment of your imagination.

Funny guy. People shouldn't work in Private hospitals, except Missionary or investors? It's hasn't gotten to this. My statement said we, meaning I wasn't the only one at the interview. I also won't invite anyone from outside to interview for me. There are little beginnings and i'll never belittle what a fellow man has found to do.

Happy Sunday.

MrBigiman:


Funny guy. People shouldn't work in Private hospitals, except Missionary or investors? It's hasn't gotten to this. My statement said we, meaning I wasn't the only one at the interview. I also won't invite anyone from outside to interview for me. There are little beginnings and i'll never belittle what a fellow man has found to do.

Happy Sunday.

LIAR!!!

MrBigiman:


During my interview recently, I had 7 lab scientist present, scrambling for a single position. Yes I use more technicians and one scientitst, because it's the same end result.

U think those 7 are insane? I chose the most humble one among them because a rather ill-mannered lady claimed she is a Chemical Pathologist. Even though she performed best, I saw that she was not taken. Let her take her unhealthy ego off our facility. It's about 4months now and the boy has no sign of leaving. I have made him at home and he sees the peace a physician can give.

[quote author=MrBigiman post=68346817]

Where is the word "we" here?
You like to feed the public lies. I am not surprised.

MrBigiman:


Funny guy. People shouldn't work in Private hospitals, except Missionary or investors? It's hasn't gotten to this. My statement said we, meaning I wasn't the only one at the interview. I also won't invite anyone from outside to interview for me. There are little beginnings and i'll never belittle what a fellow man has found to do.

Happy Sunday.

That's why you end up employing quacks and poorly-trained staffs after conducting interviews for applicants in fields where you didn't cut your teeth. If you are level-headed you'll have one or two scientists friends whom you can invite to conduct the interview. If you are a good person they'll be happy to do it for the free.

A physician childhood friend wanted to accredit the laboratory in their family-owned hospital for National health insurance scheme (NHIS). Some of the requirement was MLSCN accreditation, employment of Medical Scientists, Technician and assistants, preparation of (standard operating procedures (SOPs) etc. It was a well travelled route for me.

How could I have billed them? My family have known theirs for more than 25 years. In your case I'm sure you've burnt all the bridges you have with your friends in other health fields due to NMA politics and now you are alone doing jack of all trades and promoting quackery due to greed.

Happy Sunday o jare.

babajeje123:

I am not a medical practitioner at all but from your posts here, I can say you are very good in your chosen career. I like the way you proved your points with facts and not with emotions. You know your worth and I can say you are an asset to our medical industry. Nice one, guy

Thank you Sir. It is a gift of God.

Eldorado14:


LIAR!!!

That's how people go about meddling in issues they have no full grasp of. Insulting me won't stop me from emphasizing the truth. I am a Medical Doctor and part of my training is that I should be grounded in Pathology. No name calling will take this honour away from me. Lab Scientists making noise today should hide their head in the mud.

You muffles other people's voices including Lab technicians, who have the educational requirements to do all u are doing, and try to also Dictate what a Doctor does and what he doesn't. I refuse to have any lab Scientist as friend as I have called it quit with many singing the Johesu anthem, even when they have no government job.

nelszx:


Let's just leave it here no need to wash our dirty linens outside to prove a point. I won't call you names but this diagnosis came from one prominent teaching hospitals in Nigeria.
What did I write what are you writing? Don't you know CML and Leukemoid reaction both have leukocytosis as marker?
CML wbc (greater or equal 100,000)
Leukemoid wbc (less than or equal to 50,000).
Or was it the pathologist who signed a result of Staphylococcus epidemidis to a patient as cause of UTI? If not for ethical issues I'd have pasted them here.

Calling us technicians doesn't degrade us anymore cos we know who we are so we're used to such from your lot. No name calling

Very shallow knowledge!

nelszx:


Let's just leave it here no need to wash our dirty linens outside to prove a point. I won't call you names but this diagnosis came from one prominent teaching hospitals in Nigeria.
What did I write what are you writing? Don't you know CML and Leukemoid reaction both have leukocytosis as marker?
CML wbc (greater or equal 100,000)
Leukemoid wbc (less than or equal to 50,000).
Or was it the pathologist who signed a result of Staphylococcus epidemidis to a patient as cause of UTI? If not for ethical issues I'd have pasted them here.

Calling us technicians doesn't degrade us anymore cos we know who we are so we're used to such from your lot. No name calling

For knowledge sake. Staphylococus epidermidis is the commonest cause of UTI in patients with indwelling catheter. You just sit in the lab n don't know how d specimen was collected. I know u expected E.coli....what a sterotyped technologist would expect. You see the knowledge gap btw medical doctors and technologists?
So you see a pathologist remains superior in knowledge and practise!

phase1:


Mr man, I know you feel embarrassed that an 'ordinary technician' (according to you) exposed you ineptitude and ignorance in the laboratory field which you always claim superiority. If you hadn't tried to trivialize my profession you wouldn't have been so intellectual battered.

It is an open secret many of you cantankerous wardmen cover your ignorance in ward coats and gallivant around with empty skulls yet claim undeserved superiority. I organize audiovisual medical science seminars and many of your superiors pay to attend. I respect the ones who are level-headed but the empty ones amongst you make the loudest noise.

Enabulele your former NMA chairman was an empty noisemaker feeling funky in lab coat. Go and pick up the Sun newspaper published on November 28, 2014 flip to page 38 and read his gaffes. A noisemaker who calls himself a pathologist and wanted to boss around Scientists in the laboratory but can't focus a light microscope. Shame!

You must be a bastard for wasting my time. Sun news paper stop publishing as at 10 dec,2012 and resumed in 2015. I placed a special order from d vendors and felt embarrassed. I even researched for Enabulele's articles I didn't see any nonsense related to N.gonorrhea. I'm not surprised...dirty propaganda has always been a tool for johesu.
IDIOT!

TempoJames:


For knowledge sake. Staphylococus epidermidis is the commonest cause of UTI in patients with indwelling catheter. You just sit in the lab n don't know how d specimen was collected. I know u expected E.coli....what a sterotyped technologist would expect. You see the knowledge gap btw medical doctors and technologists?
So you see a pathologist remains superior in knowledge and practise!

Do you think you're talking to a fresh graduate? Even a fresh graduate would laugh at the result.
No wonder you are called butcher in ward coat. Antibiotics already prescribed on normal flora (spits on the floor).
The patient in question was an uncle and wasn't catheterised. Can you say something else? Don't you even sound stupid to yourself?
Yes oo I see you went to read so you can come tackle me. Don't you know details (type of urine) must accompany any laboratory form. I wonder what you even know
I can name and identify all urinary pathogen.
Immediately I saw the result, i just trashed it, told him to go and enjoy his life (so you know).

Not to loose track of the aim of this post I reemphasize.

Most health workers making noise here become liabilities once they are unable to get government jobs. Many in private settings maintain a healthy posture, but make noise once it's government affair.

MSLD, DPT and PharmD are only geared towards the civil service. Outside of Nigeria most of these degree will be a mere liability to holders.

Pharmacist are in the forefront of parading as doctors and causing mayhem. Yet outside Nigeria especially in the UK hourly pay rate of pharmacist is on average less than half of a doctor's pay, yet in Nigeria they cry blue murder.

Once a Nigerian pharmacist attempts to work in the UK his PharmD becomes a liability. He must do a pharmacist assessment program which is a full year and then put in for the exams.After that, he must do a pharmacy orientation course, which is another 52weeks training, if successful, he will be registered. He must then returned to Nigeria and seek for a job and wait for COS which won't come and pharmacy is not a shortage of occupation course. Little wonder they fight Doctors tooth and nail because there's no other place they can find relevance, than Johesu and Government hospitals. Pharmacist should look at the link below and know who to channel their anger to. It's their tutors and policy makers and not Doctors.

https://www.pharmacyregulation.org/registration/registering-pharmacist/overseas-non-eea-qualified-pharmacists