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SixSigma1:
First, I understand the way you feel for being refused a US visa despite having your Canadian PR. While it is very rare for Canadian PR to be denied US visa, it does happen that PR holders are sometimes denied as it is in your case. The reason being that being granted the visa of any country is a privilege (not a right). Even if you feel that you 100% qualify, the visa officer may think otherwise.

Having said that, I see a lot of misconceptions in your post above which I will also like to address:



You should actually take your own advice of knowing your right because it looks to me that you have a wrong impression of what are your rights as a Canadian PR holder regarding being granted visa or entrance into US. The fact that the Canadian Government chose to allow Green Card holders to enter Canada without Canadian visa does not mean that the US Government has to reciprocate. In the past, before September 11 (and up to a certain time after 911), Canadian PR holders from certain countries (including from Nigeria) could enter the US without having to obtain a US visa. It is not the US fault if the Canadian Government chose not impose visa rule on Green card holders after the US imposed visa on PR holders. So, as a Canadian PR holder you do not have a right to US visa (your PR document only makes it easier to get). Even Canadian citizens that do not currently require visa to enter the US can still be denied entry just as US citizen could be denied entry into Canada and nothing will happen.

I also want to point out to you that even as a Canadian PR holder, you can also be denied re-entry into Canada for reasons that are obvious and not so obvious. This is because until you become a Canadian citizen, being granted entry into Canada is a privilege (not a right). We discussed this in the past on this thread. See this page: https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant/259#66247695



As to this being a vendetta against Nigerians, I doubt this. You are already in Canada. The request for strict US visa is for the Nigerians that are based in Nigeria and who are trying to enter Canada illegally through the US and not those that are already living legally in Canada.

So, as many people have already said, just wait for a while and reapply.

redocean:
Hello Seniors,

So my wife contacted some newcomers services in Ontario who help immigrants with employment services. However, they requested she provide her SIN as part of the documentation needed to enroll her for their services.

When she enquired why they requested for the SIN, someone explained that because they are sponsored by the Govt. of Ontario and Canadian Govt., they would need to provide some form of returns on the people who have benefitted from their service.

Please is it in order for her to disclose her SIN to them?

Kindly guide us based on your experience.

subhasakshi:
I want to immigrate to Canada. How is life there? I have been taking help from an immigration consultancy in Banglore https://www.venturaworld.in/ . They seem to be extremely helpful

subhasakshi:
I have been visiting Calgary frequently. It's truly an amazing place. Everyone should go there once at least. I got very cheap flight tickets through my travel agent.

Fortissimo502:
Not really trying to stir up old stuff but what do you say about 19 (2) of division 3 of the immigration and refugee protection act. For ease of reference it reads thus:

Right of entry of permanent residents

(2) An officer shall allow a permanent resident to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that they have that status.

---------------------

It is my interpretation that if you have PR status, you have right of entry.

In addition,

IRCC here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/new-immigrants/pr-card/understand-pr-status.html

explicitly states that PRs have the right to live in Canada. I don't think it makes sense for someone to have the right to live somewhere but not enter that place.

Again I believe once your status is valid you have right to enter. Only way you can be denied is if there's some issue with your PR status. I do not believe it's a privilege.

Can someone find any case law on canlii that shows someone with valid PR status being denied?

Fortissimo502:
Can someone find any case law on canlii that shows someone with valid PR status being denied?

SixSigma1:
I would not like to discuss this any further. You have the prerogative to interpret the acts the way you deem fit but that do not change the fact. People reading this do not have to agree with me neither do they have to agree with you because the act is available online for everybody read to know their rights.

What is important though is that the whole act should be read and interpreted together rather than taking one section or division of the act in isolation while neglecting the other part that throw more light on the section or division they are trying to interpret. So, read all of Division 3 section 19 (1) and section 19 (2), and also Division 4 section 34, 35 and 36 that talks about inadmissibility of a PR holder.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-5.html#h-16
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-8.html#h-23


Again, it a privilege (not a right) for PR to be allowed to re-enter Canada. However, the moment you are allowed in into Canada you have the rights listed in the IRCC link you provided. You lose the right listed on IRCC the moment you are deem inadmissible to Canada. Show me any part of the act that says a PR holder has the right to re-enter Canada just like division 3 section 19 (1) says citizens and Indians have right to enter Canada.



The presence or not of a law case about someone with PR status being denied entry to Canada does not invalidate the fact that their is an act or the law regarding rights of a PR regarding re-entry into Canada. The law and the act are there buy may never have been applied in the past. They also might have been applied but the affected person decided not to make a law case of it. So not finding a law case does not mean anything.

Sorry, this is the last I will write regarding this topic.

hifyty:
Folks,
I just wanted to share the approach I used in getting multiple job offers. So as soon as we got our PR, I started to look for a job in Canada. My first point of call was my current company. I work in the O&G industry and we have company presence in Calgary. The only caveat to this was that I was sponsored by Ontario PNP and hence ran the risk of running into problems later but all the same, I spoke to our HR in Calgary and they offered me a contractor position that would enable me work from home and visit Calgary 2x in a month. My people say, half bread is better than buns. So I held on to that offer and kept looking for other options in ON. By the way, I am a systems Analyst / Systems Administrator. The first thing I did was to get my resume into Canadian shape. I reached out to about 2 friends who are based in Canada to send me templates and I did a pretty good job in making mine. The next thing I did was to get a Canadian Number. in this case, I used an app called (text now) and put this on my resume as well as the home address of one of my friends. And bingo, the calls started to come in for interview requests. my favorite hunting place has to be indeed.ca but there are other effective ones like ziprecruiter.com, Workopolis.com,glassdoor.ca, LinkedIn and monster.ca. I would say I got an average of 2 interviews in a week.
Once an interview call came in, the recruiter or hiring manager would ask about my residency status and availability. I would normally tell them that I am not landed yet but I have my COPR and I am available in 30 days or if the offer is right in 15 days. Now to be honest, most of my interview really go smooth because I am well experienced in my Job and most often than not, I nail the interview but sometimes they want people to come in for a face to face interview or ready to start immediately but I still managed to get a few of them who didn’t mind the wait and we had series of several interviews via video conferencing and right now I have 2 pretty good job offers. One in a bank and the other an ecommerce website. from what I have experienced so far and depending on the company, the first step in the process would be a talent acquisition personnel or HR personnel reaching out to you on phone to discuss the role and this takes anywhere from 15mins to an hour long talk. And they ask you about what you do and everything as claimed on your resume and put in a little screening questions on the technical side in there just to know if you know what you are doing. if you get pass the HR, then you will be invited to talk to the hiring manager or like the team lead of where you end up working. Now this is mostly technical stuffs and as well as checking out for cultural fit. So be prepared for scenario based questions as well as all those why do you think you are the best fit for this job kind of questions. If you scale through this, for some companies they might hire you at this point if they like you but some even go further for another level of interview. At least, For my 2 job offers we went on to have another round of interviews and this had HR, Hiring Manager and a Snr Mgr. in attendance and we started the whole discussion all over and to God be the Glory, I was given offers to start in July. My family and I arrive first week in July and I would be starting work July 9th.
I would also like to advise folks to read about the company (very important) and read the JD very well and see if you can do the Job and shoot for it. For example, even though I am systems analyst/ administrator, The job offer I got in the bank is for an Office365/Microsoft Exchange Admin. If you are given an offer, you would need proof that you are eligible to work in Canada. In both cases, my prospective employers were satisfied with my COPR Visa. So keep looking and searching and never say never you might just be able to get something before landing. I hope this helps someone, it will end in praise!

Akingsqueen:
@Hifyty
Kindly advise on the text now app for getting Canadian number. I have been unable to use it as it says app not available in my country.

kissoflife:
1) Login to CIC account.
2) Go to section "Link an existing application to this account". Click on "Link application to this account" button.
3) Select category as PR Card
4) Select "Unique Client Identifier (UCI) and Family Name"
5) Fill required details (please make sure of capital, small, comma etc.)
6) Provide landing date in "Date you became a permanent resident"
7) Click on 'search my application'
after application searched, make sure you submit application else it not link

Once you have successfully linked your application it will show you as "Submitted" status and once it is ready for dispatch it will go into "Approved" status.

The steps above were copied from a Blackbuddy's post and it worked for me but after like a month of landing.

Patterns18:
Do they usually ask for new photos before PR card is issued?

TheCongo2:
You may always ask them if there is any option other than providing the SIN.

Please check this link for more details

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/sin/protect.html

StNonsky:
there’s nothing like ‘I didn’t qualify for visa at that tome’. This is the same visa students get easily talk more of a PR. You shd know your rights. Green card holders are allowed freely here without visa so why shdnt we? I’m sure it’s a vendetta against Nigerians because the bad eggs among us cross the border illegally and as a result immigration minister had to go down to Nigeria because of the issue and advised the US embassy to reduce the visa quota they give to Nigerians. People’s visas are being cancelled and those that have travelled once can’t even travel again with the same visa. I’m sure the officer was clearly acting on instructions if not, why would she also deny a married pregnant PR lady? I rest my case.

Lagertha:
Hello everyone,

Thanks for the post @Hifyty this was really helpful.

I got my PPR on June 8 and I am currently waiting to receive my passport which was sent shortly after. Ahead of my short landing in November, I have been doing some research on linkedin, indeed.ca and other websites about vacancies in my line of work and the best areas in Canada to where I can get a good job in this line. I'm actually open to settling anywhere as long as I get the right offer. I work in telecommunications, specifically, regulatory affairs/compliance.

I will really appreciate input from people who work in this line or anybody who knows someone in this line.

Thanks.

SixSigma1:
First, I understand the way you feel for being refused a US visa despite having your Canadian PR. While it is very rare for Canadian PR to be denied US visa, it does happen that PR holders are sometimes denied as it is in your case. The reason being that being granted the visa of any country is a privilege (not a right). Even if you feel that you 100% qualify, the visa officer may think otherwise.

Having said that, I see a lot of misconceptions in your post above which I will also like to address:



You should actually take your own advice of knowing your right because it looks to me that you have a wrong impression of what are your rights as a Canadian PR holder regarding being granted visa or entrance into US. The fact that the Canadian Government chose to allow Green Card holders to enter Canada without Canadian visa does not mean that the US Government has to reciprocate. In the past, before September 11 (and up to a certain time after 911), Canadian PR holders from certain countries (including from Nigeria) could enter the US without having to obtain a US visa. It is not the US fault if the Canadian Government chose not impose visa rule on Green card holders after the US imposed visa on PR holders. So, as a Canadian PR holder you do not have a right to US visa (your PR document only makes it easier to get). Even Canadian citizens that do not currently require visa to enter the US can still be denied entry just as US citizen could be denied entry into Canada and nothing will happen.

I also want to point out to you that even as a Canadian PR holder, you can also be denied re-entry into Canada for reasons that are obvious and not so obvious. This is because until you become a Canadian citizen, being granted entry into Canada is a privilege (not a right). We discussed this in the past on this thread. See this page: https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant/259#66247695



As to this being a vendetta against Nigerians, I doubt this. You are already in Canada. The request for strict US visa is for the Nigerians that are based in Nigeria and who are trying to enter Canada illegally through the US and not those that are already living legally in Canada.

So, as many people have already said, just wait for a while and reapply.

Fortissimo502:
Not really trying to stir up old stuff but what do you say about 19 (2) of division 3 of the immigration and refugee protection act. For ease of reference it reads thus:

Right of entry of permanent residents

(2) An officer shall allow a permanent resident to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that they have that status.

---------------------

It is my interpretation that if you have PR status, you have right of entry.

In addition,

IRCC here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/new-immigrants/pr-card/understand-pr-status.html

explicitly states that PRs have the right to live in Canada. I don't think it makes sense for someone to have the right to live somewhere but not enter that place.

Again I believe once your status is valid you have right to enter. Only way you can be denied is if there's some issue with your PR status. I do not believe it's a privilege.

Can someone find any case law on canlii that shows someone with valid PR status being denied?

Patterns18:
Do they usually ask for new photos before PR card is issued?

redocean:
Thank you much.

hifyty:
Folks,
I just wanted to share the approach I used in getting multiple job offers. So as soon as we got our PR, I started to look for a job in Canada. My first point of call was my current company. I work in the O&G industry and we have company presence in Calgary. The only caveat to this was that I was sponsored by Ontario PNP and hence ran the risk of running into problems later but all the same, I spoke to our HR in Calgary and they offered me a contractor position that would enable me work from home and visit Calgary 2x in a month. My people say, half bread is better than buns. So I held on to that offer and kept looking for other options in ON. By the way, I am a systems Analyst / Systems Administrator. The first thing I did was to get my resume into Canadian shape. I reached out to about 2 friends who are based in Canada to send me templates and I did a pretty good job in making mine. The next thing I did was to get a Canadian Number. in this case, I used an app called (text now) and put this on my resume as well as the home address of one of my friends. And bingo, the calls started to come in for interview requests. my favorite hunting place has to be indeed.ca but there are other effective ones like ziprecruiter.com, Workopolis.com,glassdoor.ca, LinkedIn and monster.ca. I would say I got an average of 2 interviews in a week.
Once an interview call came in, the recruiter or hiring manager would ask about my residency status and availability. I would normally tell them that I am not landed yet but I have my COPR and I am available in 30 days or if the offer is right in 15 days. Now to be honest, most of my interview really go smooth because I am well experienced in my Job and most often than not, I nail the interview but sometimes they want people to come in for a face to face interview or ready to start immediately but I still managed to get a few of them who didn’t mind the wait and we had series of several interviews via video conferencing and right now I have 2 pretty good job offers. One in a bank and the other an ecommerce website. from what I have experienced so far and depending on the company, the first step in the process would be a talent acquisition personnel or HR personnel reaching out to you on phone to discuss the role and this takes anywhere from 15mins to an hour long talk. And they ask you about what you do and everything as claimed on your resume and put in a little screening questions on the technical side in there just to know if you know what you are doing. if you get pass the HR, then you will be invited to talk to the hiring manager or like the team lead of where you end up working. Now this is mostly technical stuffs and as well as checking out for cultural fit. So be prepared for scenario based questions as well as all those why do you think you are the best fit for this job kind of questions. If you scale through this, for some companies they might hire you at this point if they like you but some even go further for another level of interview. At least, For my 2 job offers we went on to have another round of interviews and this had HR, Hiring Manager and a Snr Mgr. in attendance and we started the whole discussion all over and to God be the Glory, I was given offers to start in July. My family and I arrive first week in July and I would be starting work July 9th.
I would also like to advise folks to read about the company (very important) and read the JD very well and see if you can do the Job and shoot for it. For example, even though I am systems analyst/ administrator, The job offer I got in the bank is for an Office365/Microsoft Exchange Admin. If you are given an offer, you would need proof that you are eligible to work in Canada. In both cases, my prospective employers were satisfied with my COPR Visa. So keep looking and searching and never say never you might just be able to get something before landing. I hope this helps someone, it will end in praise!

[/quote][quote author=hifyty post=68754573]@Akingsqueen,

I am sorry i just got to see your question. I am not sure why this is blocked in your country but there are lots of other free voip calling apps that will give you a US or canadian number. you can try talkatone and see if it works for you.

StNonsky:
Hey everyone. I am Nigerian and Canadian PR for 1 year and have a job but was DENIED VISA to the US on June 19th on grounds of not having “strong economic ties to Canada” Can some1 explain what this mean. Who in his right mind would forfeit his PR status to go stay back in the US illegally? I am very sad and upset! I sense some racial bias because of my black skin colour. A married pregnant Nigérian lady was also denied right before my eyes. This is embarrassing. Share your thoughts please

StNonsky:
there’s nothing like ‘I didn’t qualify for visa at that tome’. This is the same visa students get easily talk more of a PR. You shd know your rights. Green card holders are allowed freely here without visa so why shdnt we? I’m sure it’s a vendetta against Nigerians because the bad eggs among us cross the border illegally and as a result immigration minister had to go down to Nigeria because of the issue and advised the US embassy to reduce the visa quota they give to Nigerians. People’s visas are being cancelled and those that have travelled once can’t even travel again with the same visa. I’m sure the officer was clearly
acting on instructions if not, why would she also deny a married pregnant PR lady? I rest my case.

Demiyike:
I dont believe they are acting on any instruction. I had my visa interview yesterday , with my husband and my 2 children and we were given no documents were asked and we have been here for just a year . They just asked to see our previous US visa and in less than 2 mins were out of there

maternal:
This person is not telling the full story.

behati:
What if he's telling the fill story? I'll be shocked if this is the first time you're seeing a PR denied visa. it happens all the time, check canadavisaforum. Please let this rest!

behati:
What if he's telling the fill story? I'll be shocked if this is the first time you're seeing a PR denied visa. it happens all the time, check canadavisaforum. Please let this rest!

Demiyike:
I dont believe they are acting on any instruction. I had my visa interview yesterday , with my husband and my 2 children and we were given no documents were asked and we have been here for just a year . They just asked to see our previous US visa and in less than 2 mins were out of there

Lagertha:
Hello everyone,

Thanks for the post @Hifyty this was really helpful.

I got my PPR on June 8 and I am currently waiting to receive my passport which was sent shortly after. Ahead of my short landing in November, I have been doing some research on linkedin, indeed.ca and other websites about vacancies in my line of work and the best areas in Canada to where I can get a good job in this line. I'm actually open to settling anywhere as long as I get the right offer. I work in telecommunications, specifically, regulatory affairs/compliance.

I will really appreciate input from people who work in this line or anybody who knows someone in this line.

Thanks.