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Cuteamigo1:
now you are putting words in my mouth to justify your narative. for me it is as simple as this. a foetus should have a right to the potential or opportunity of life, and that this right should not be interfered with unless there is a compelling necessity to do so. i hope this throws more light on my position on this issue.

health is the state of complete physical, mental and social wellbeing not just be absence of illness or disease.
In lagos state only, the law states abortion is legal only when the pregnancy jeopardises the health of the mother which in this case is her physical, mental and social wellbeing. please refer to my previous posts to shed more light

funmisticqueen:
that is only because it is illegal and is done by quacks, hence unsafe abortion, when it is done by certified medical personnel in a standard environment the side effects are reduced to almost zero

Weed does more harm because it is not legalized. Most people use it in fear.

Do u knw there are a lot of tins weed is used for apart from smoking?

Marijuna is herb.

It's medicinal.

It is given written in the Holy Book that God has legalized its usage.

Marijuna is less harm than tobaco. But tobaco is legalized

A fetus isn't considered a person . A fetus is incapable of possessing the same conscious capacity as a newborn anyway. And, whether or not it feels pain is irrelevant considering there are methods to prevent fetal pain, and some can be developed in order to accomplish that task also.
A fetus isn't a baby. It's two different stages. A fetus is a potential to become a baby, just as a baby is not a potential to become a baby because it is already one. Aborting a fetus is not murdering a person, or killing a person. It's aborting a potential to become one before it becomes a baby.
Calling it nonhuman is false. It's very much a human, but the question lies in when it becomes a human being, because it isn't an individual yet (it's an individual when it becomes a true separate entity. As long as it's in her womb, connected to her by an umbilical cord, surviving off her body, both her body and the fetus's acting as one, it is not an individual. It is part of her. simply put it is a parasite of the same species which is half foreign because half of the DNA is from its father)

mimimile93:
Weed does more harm because it is not legalized. Most people use it in fear.

Do u knw there are a lot of tins weed is used for apart from smoking?

Marijuna is herb.

It's medicinal.

It is given written in the Holy Book that God has legalized its usage.

Marijuna is less harm than tobaco. But tobaco is legalized

scriptures and verse please. remember that every drug is a poison

funmisticqueen:
scriptures and verse please. remember that every drug is a poison

which religion are u so dat I knw d scriptures to quote

mimimile93:
which religion are u so dat I knw d scriptures to quote

both christianity and islam, and please let's not stray from topic

FUNMISTICQUEEN!

ONE GOOD QUESTION!

IF YOU BECOME THE FIRST LADY TOMORROW AND A CELEBRATED WOMAN AND ONE DAY YOUR MOTHER CALLED AND TOLD YOU, "YOUR DAD IS NOT YOUR BIOLOGICAL FATHER AND SHE WAS RAPED AND YOUR WERE BEGOTTEN AND SHE WANTED TO ABBORT BUT FOR A SECOND THOUGHT DIDN'T".

WHAT WILL YOU DO?

funmisticqueen:
both christianity and islam, and please let's not stray from topic

u can't be both.

Tell me ur religion and I will tell u were in the scripture God legalized the use of marijuana.

MOVIC6:
FUNMISTICQUEEN!

ONE GOOD QUESTION!

IF YOU BECOME THE FIRST LADY TOMORROW AND A CELEBRATED WOMAN AND ONE DAY YOUR MOTHER CALLED AND TOLD YOU, "YOUR DAD IS NOT YOUR BIOLOGICAL FATHER AND SHE WAS RAPED AND YOUR WERE BEGOTTEN AND SHE WANTED TO ABBORT BUT FOR A SECOND THOUGHT DIDN'T".

WHAT WILL YOU DO?

Nothing. if they aborted me, then they must have had their reasons for doing so and someone else would have been the first lady, it is not necessary that it must be me. someone else would have cured cancer. The future has endless possiblities, wherever there is a vaccum, something will fill it.

mimimile93:
u can't be both.

Tell me ur religion and I will tell u were in the scripture God legalized the use of marijuana.

give me both and i will counter it for you cos i have knowledge of both

funmisticqueen:
give me both and i will counter it for you cos i have knowledge of both

If u dont stand for sometin, u fall for anytin.


So where do u belong?

funmisticqueen:
scriptures and verse please. remember that every drug is a poison

But weed is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco. Please you are a medical student, research and stop using scriptures made by goat herders to make decisions

funmisticqueen:
health is the state of complete physical, mental and social wellbeing not just be absence of illness or disease.
In lagos state only, the law states abortion is legal only when the pregnancy jeopardises the health of the mother which in this case is her physical, mental and social wellbeing. please refer to my previous posts to shed more light

really? i hate to deviate but who then protects the health of the father when you ladies decide to pin him down with a pregnancy even when he opts for abortion? this is more evidence that you only clamor for what benefits you guys even if it is to the detriment of others. a new law is being proposed in the west where men will now share equal right with women in cases of abortion. so you mean if you are carrying a child for your husband or boyfriend today, devoid of his opinion you can just stroll into an abortion clinic and have the baby sliced and diced because it threatens your mental and social wellbeing? thats sounds cruel to me and in my opinion its murder except ofcoure if it threatens you physical health then why not? we all have a right to self defense.

funmisticqueen:
Nothing, actually cos something similar has happened to me. if they aborted me, then they must have had their reasons for doing so and someone else would have been the first lady, it is not necessary that it must be me. someone else would have cured cancer. The future has endless possiblities, wherever there is a vaccum, something will fill it.

Stop trying so hard to justify abortion, if a fetus is not a person, then why does it grow into a person when it reaches 9months? why can't it remain and ordinary fetus since its not a person?

Colourich:
Stop trying so hard to justify abortion, if a fetus is not a person, then why does it grow into a person when it reaches 9months? why can't it remain and ordinary fetus since its not a person?

it is like saying a fetus is a baby, they are two different things, a fetus merely has the potential to become a person, but it is not a person, i would like to explain further but i would be repeating myself, just backtrack to my previous comment on this post

Colourich:
Stop trying so hard to justify abortion, if a fetus is not a person, then why does it grow into a person when it reaches 9months? why can't it remain and ordinary fetus since its not a person?

it is like saying a fetus is a baby, they are two different things, a fetus merely has the potential to become a person, but it is not a person, i would like to explain further but i would be repeating myself, just backtrack to my previous comment on this post.

you are still yet to justify based on facts and not sentiments, why abortion is murder.

Cuteamigo1:
really? i hate to deviate but who then protects the health of the father when you ladies decide to pin him down with a pregnancy even when he opts for abortion? this is more evidence that you only clamor for what benefits you guys even if it is to the detriment of others. a new law is being proposed in the west where men will now share equal right with women in cases of abortion. so you mean if you are carrying a child for your husband or boyfriend today, devoid of his opinion you can just stroll into an abortion clinic and have the baby sliced and diced because it threatens your mental and social wellbeing? thats sounds cruel to me and in my opinion its murder except ofcoure if it threatens you physical health then why not? we all have a right to self defense.

i see your point, but no woman should be made to carry a pregnancy against her will, why would someone father a child without getting cosensus from the woman, did he rape her?

Cuteamigo1:
really? i hate to deviate but who then protects the health of the father when you ladies decide to pin him down with a pregnancy even when he opts for abortion? this is more evidence that you only clamor for what benefits you guys even if it is to the detriment of others. a new law is being proposed in the west where men will now share equal right with women in cases of abortion. so you mean if you are carrying a child for your husband or boyfriend today, devoid of his opinion you can just stroll into an abortion clinic and have the baby sliced and diced because it threatens your mental and social wellbeing? thats sounds cruel to me and in my opinion its murder except ofcoure if it threatens you physical health then why not? we all have a right to self defense.

i see your point, but no woman should be made to carry a pregnancy against her will, why would someone father a child without getting cosensus from the woman, did he rape her?

if there is a way to have men carry a pregnancy so that they can make decisions, then i am all ears.

funmisticqueen:
i see your point, but no woman should be made to carry a pregnancy against her will, why would someone father a child without getting cosensus from the woman, did he rape her?

if there is a way to have men carry a pregnancy so that they can make decisions, then i am all ears.

am glad you see my point. so in a nutshell you mean only a woman should have rights when it comes to abortion? in the spirit of equality then no man should be forced to father a child he dosent want then.

funmisticqueen:
that is only because it is illegal and is done by quacks, hence unsafe abortion, when it is done by certified medical personnel in a standard environment the side effects are reduced to almost zero

you think arbotion in a hight tech clinic approved by the gvt enables women to dodge the emotional and physical after-effects of arbotion??
although the majority of women dont regret abortion the majority admit it has affected them emotionally. and once you abort you're likely to do so again.

im not surprised a black girl is here advocating for abortion because in the US black women abort 3 times more than white women . no wonder they are such emotional wrecks and are cursed more than any other race in america.

funmisticqueen:
health is the state of complete physical, mental and social wellbeing not just be absence of illness or disease.
In lagos state only, the law states abortion is legal only when the pregnancy jeopardises the health of the mother which in this case is her physical, mental and social wellbeing. please refer to my previous posts to shed more light

but thats not enough for you bloodthirsty feminists. you just wanna abort for the fun of it. "oh i have a headache...abortion!" "my BF pissed me off...abortion.!" "my Twitter followers reduced in number...abortion!" "i have a toothache...abortion!"
you just want to see blood flow from your pvssy thats all. is menstruation bleeding not enough for you? animals.

funmisticqueen:
A fetus isn't considered a person . A fetus is incapable of possessing the same conscious capacity as a newborn anyway. And, whether or not it feels pain is irrelevant considering there are methods to prevent fetal pain, and some can be developed in order to accomplish that task also.
A fetus isn't a baby. It's two different stages. A fetus is a potential to become a baby, just as a baby is not a potential to become a baby because it is already one. Aborting a fetus is not murdering a person, or killing a person. It's aborting a potential to become one before it becomes a baby.
Calling it nonhuman is false. It's very much a human, but the question lies in when it becomes a human being, because it isn't an individual yet (it's an individual when it becomes a true separate entity. As long as it's in her womb, connected to her by an umbilical cord, surviving off her body, both her body and the fetus's acting as one, it is not an individual. It is part of her. simply put it is a parasite of the same species which is half foreign because half of the DNA is from its father)

yet you tell a guy "Im carrying your baby!".
i have never ever never heard a woman, even a feminist tell a man Im carrying your foetus .
its only a baby when it suits you. otherwise its demoted to a foetus! murderers.

funmisticqueen:
Nothing, actually cos something similar has happened to me. kf they aborted me, then they must have had their reasons for doing so and someone else would have been the first lady, it is not necessary that it must be me. someone else would have cured cancer. The future has endless possiblities, wherever there is a vaccum, something will fill it.

look at you claim to have been aborted...
small-brain, having a reason to do something doesnt make doing it OK. depends on the reasons. you cant just shoot a person then tell the police "i had my reasons" take your reasons with them to jail.

funmisticqueen:
it is like saying a fetus is a baby, they are two different things, a fetus merely has the potential to become a person, but it is not a person, i would like to explain further but i would be repeating myself, just backtrack to my previous comment on this post.

you are still yet to justify based on facts and not sentiments, why abortion is murder.

a fetus is a baby. wikipedia:

a fetus or foetus (/ˈfiːtəs/; plural fetuses or foetuses) is a prenatal human between the embryonic state and birth. The fetal stage of human development tends to be taken as beginning at the gestational age of eleven weeks, i.e. nine weeks after fertilization.In biological terms, however, prenatal development is a continuum, with no clear defining feature distinguishing an embryo from a fetus. A fetus is also characterized by the presence of all the major body organs, though they will not yet be fully developed and functional and some not yet situated in their final anatomical location.
is this facts enough for your murderous ways??

funmisticqueen:
i see your point, but no woman should be made to carry a pregnancy against her will, why would someone father a child without getting cosensus from the woman, did he rape her?

there are about a dozen contraception methods. some free. if you forced yourself to get off your lazy ass and take responsibility to prevent pregnancy no one will be forcing you to carry the pregnancy.
if you can carry the dick, you can carry the pregnancy

funmisticqueen:
i see your point, but no woman should be made to carry a pregnancy against her will, why would someone father a child without getting cosensus from the woman, did he rape her?

if there is a way to have men carry a pregnancy so that they can make decisions, then i am all ears.

go read up on Artificial Wombs. you busy acting up about pregnancy while scientists are busy making a way to make babies without you. just like Sex Dolls made you look stupid the artificial wombs will make you look extra dumb.
its called Ectogenesis. go read what scientists in Philadelphia did last year in 2017 with a sheep.
keep forming. you will be put aside. men always find solutions. we made this world what it is.

Cuteamigo1:
am glad you see my point. so in a nutshell you mean only a woman should have rights when it comes to abortion? in the spirit of equality then no man should be forced to father a child he dosent want then.

yes, and if she wants that child, then she should bear the responsibility or raising that child alone but if the father later changes his mind later especially after the birth of the child, then he has no right because he refused to bear responsibility when he was supposed to.

MissWrite:
Controversial. People will always remain on different divides on this topic. So let's just make our points with civility, and not condescend to calling pro-choicers murderers and pro-lifers idiots.

Some governments are more concerned with "looking good" than with solving problems. They prefer to take a public position against abortion, so that they won't be seen to condone or encourage the act; even if that position does not, in fact, decrease the rate of abortion. It's not an active position that fights or punishes abortion, so people still do it with more associated risks, and they have only themselves to blame for the repercussions. It's an irresponsible position, in the sense that they're eschewing responsibility. The fact that girls die from complications does not bother them: the girls are to blame. A responsible government takes a holistic look at the situation and evaluates how effective a ban has been in achieving the goal. What is the goal by the way? Sanctimony, public health & safety, protection of life? .....how honest is that intent?

As long as people remain sexually active, chances are are that 15 out of 100 condom users will get knocked up each year and there would be unplanned pregnancies that cannot be catered to. The numbers are even worse in a sanctimonious society where many people don't subscribe to birth control. Why do you think parents force children to work or send their kids to become domestic slaves in other people's homes? Unplanned pregnancies can happen in or out of wedlock. Prospective parents may not be ready for parenthood for a myriad of reasons: finances, age, mental health conditions, apathy. All of these conditions, along with complications with the pregnancy itself, should affect the viability of the pregnancy. Forcing a child to come to life in a less than optimistic environment is not in his/her best interest. Children deserve better. If the government forces a child's existence in spite of the unpreparedness of the parents, then it should do well to provide welfare for children in order to prevent them from inevitably ending up on the streets; otherwise, it's just being hypocritical and irresponsible. Again.


Jeremiah 1:5, that's the verse religious folk like to quote to prove that life starts at conception:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

What I see here, though, is forethought. We should take example from God and birth children to purpose. Don't be careless and abandon them to fate. Know them, prepare for them, and be ready for them. If you're having sex for fun and popping out every consequence as an unavoidable by-product; you aren't giving children the due consideration. The creation of Adam and Eve was always in the offing but God left it for the sixth day because the world had to be made conducive first. Forethought.

So when exactly does life start? At conception, after the first trimester or at birth? Technically, there was never "no life". The smallest unit of life, after all, is a living cell. The ovum and the sperm are living. And yet nature flushes the egg out every month if it doesn't get fertilized, and expels sperm cells in a wet dream. These aren't tragedies, not all living organisms must be preserved by law. Legal life and biological life should be distinguished. When does the zygote become a person?

Here's a debate. Fair warning: it's a story. A longer one.

https://www.nairaland.com/4275798/dinner-conversation

thanks dear for answering with such profound wisdom. i salute you for making this stance in the face of naysayers who havent thought through this matter rationally, RESPECT.

funmisticqueen:
yes, and if she wants that child, then she should bear the responsibility or raising that child alone but if the father later changes his mind later especially after the birth of the child, then he has no right because he refused to bear responsibility when he was supposed to.

dumb feminist mindset:
abortion: Its my body.
child support: its your baby

funmisticqueen:
thanks dear for answering with such profound wisdom. i salute you for making this stance in the face of naysayers who havent thought through this matter rationally, RESPECT.

in other words you cant add or subtract. see how tonguetied you are against even points raised against you by MissWrite. you cant even touch on them because you dont want the headache of dealing with her.
so the coward just gives a blanket of praises without any substance: "i salute you for your wisdom" blah blah blah

funmisticqueen:
please i am a health professional, i know what an aborted fetus looks like

You are a health professional, but don't think abortion is murder? Murder is premeditated killing. Abortion is murder.

funmisticqueen:
thanks dear for answering with such profound wisdom. i salute you for making this stance in the face of naysayers who havent thought through this matter rationally, RESPECT.

I salute you right back for taking this on and making such a strong argument. It's an uncomfortable subject, and ours is an unpopular position, especially in Africa.