blueAgent:



Show me where in the Bible that Mary was called mother of God or she was prayed to and worshiped by the apostles.

nobody worships Mary.

blueAgent:



The road to hell is paved with good
intentions.

actually it is with ignorance.

'my people perish because of lack of knowledge'.

and you choose to ignore the truth staring at you in the face. you choose to remain ignorant on purpose.

blueAgent:



So since the Bible likened Jesus to the snake in the wildernesss we can therefore call Jesus a Snake? based on your logic. Numbers 21:9

John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.

so Jesus was likened to be a son of David?

so he was not actually the son of David, he was just being compared to a son of David?

blueAgent:




Good points.
It is obvious it was not a mistake becos Paul warned Christains about recieving fake gospel even from angels any doctrine contrary to God's word is false.

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

so which gospel should be regarded as fake? the one that came 500 years ago, or the one that has been around for 2000 years?

bloodofthelamb:
MuttleyLaff, you and I know that calling mary the mother of God is not the issue here. They have turned Mary into a way to God. Mary now mediate for many souls.

but to blueagent that's the issue.

bloodofthelamb:


This absurd doctrine the early church never practised it. Mary was silent as "k" in the word "knife" in the early days of the church. Do you know that Christ is also Lord to Mary?

nobody disagrees that Mary is subject to Christ.

that Mary was silent does not mean that she was inactive.

majority of the apostles were silent after the gospel. did that make them inactive?

have you checked the history of the early church to know they did not practice it?
also the early church did not end in the Bible.

bloodofthelamb:
MuttleyLaff, you and I know that calling mary the mother of God is not the issue here. They have turned Mary into a way to God. Mary now mediate for many souls.

This absurd doctrine the early church never practised it. Mary was silent as "k" in the word "knife" in the early days of the church. Do you know that Christ is also Lord to Mary?

Gggg102:
but to blueagent that's the issue.

"Mary, was the mother of incarnate Jesus only,
that is the son of God manifested in human flesh
and not the son, in His pre-incarneted form which is a spirit."
- blueAgent ©

Gggg102, is there anything incorrect in the above inverted commas blueAgent quote?
If not then, you see, we all agree with each other and are saying the same thing
Mary, is the mother of Jesus, the Son of God, however God as Spirit, has no mother

MuttleyLaff:


"Mary, was the mother of incarnate Jesus only,
that is the son of God manifested in human flesh
and not the son, in His pre-incarneted form which is a spirit."
- blueAgent ©

Gggg102, is there anything incorrect in the above inverted commas blueAgent quote?
If not then, you see, we all agree with each other and are saying the same thing
Mary, is the mother of Jesus, the Son of God, however God as Spirit, has no mother

the fact that he is seeing and admitting to the truth and at the same time denying it.
is the son of God no longer God?

no Catholic has and will ever say Mary is the mother of pre incarnate God.
so he is fighting a strawman. God existed without a mother but choose to have a mother to accomplish his mission on earth.

he thinks being born by a person = that person created you or you never existed before the person gave birth to you.

blueAgent:
I personally regard this as the  greatest blasphemy in  Catholism to 'call Mary mother of God'
My question is How can a created woman give birth to an uncreated being, is it possible for flesh and blood to give birth to a spirit ,an eternal God that neither has a beginning or end?

It is  a fact that Mary gave birth to Jesus, the son of God but equating that to mean that she gave birth to God is pure blasphemy.
Many Catholics will argue that Jesus is God hence mary been mother of Jesus is also the mother of God. this is pure word play by Satan to decieve and confuse people.yes he is  God's son that also makes him God becos they are one John10:30,like gives birth to like, God is eternal and divine his son is also eternal and divine God is an uncreated being his son is also an uncreated being.God is a Spirit Jesus  is also a spirit john4:24.
  Mary was the mother of incarnate jesus only, that is the son of God manifested in human flesh and not the son in  his pre-incarneted form which is a spirit.
Jesus was existing even before the foundation of the World was laid  john17:24,John17:5 I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD WAS. it  was through Jesus that the entire Universe was made including Mary.hebrew1:2,Col1:16.

Jesus  re-emphasied his divinity when he rebuked the Jews who claimed he was too young to have seen Abraham(the father of Israel).
All through the bible no where was Mary called the mother of God if it was acceptable why didn't the bible call David the father of God since Jesus was also called the son of David? rather even David himself  called Jesus Lord luke11:43,matthew 22:41,    Catholics attribute too much praise and worship to Mary this is unbiblical Jesus rebuked and discouraged such idea when he was on earth  Luke8:21,Luke2:48 and Luke27:28
All this bible verses show us  that to Worship, pray or exalt Mary to godlike status was forbidden.
Even Mary called Jesus Lord, she is not part of our Salvation but herself requires the blood of Jesus to save her.

Luke 1:38 “And Mary said, “Behold, I am the
servant of the Lord; let it be to me according
to your word.” And the angel departed from
her.”

In Conclusion.
To call Mary mother of God is pure blasphemy it is a plot by Satan to protary God as a mere mortal or created being. God is a spirit an uncreated being who inhabits time & eternity he was existing before the creation of the World and Mary and will still be there when both pass away.
Their is no moral,scriptural,or logical reason to call Mary the Mother of God.
I urge Catholics to desists from this great blasphemy for God will judge every work and vain word we say.Eccl.12:14,Eccl.3:17

Thanks

Joseph impregnated Mary and he gave birth to a male child, Jesus.

MuttleyLaff:
Gbam.

With the exception of God,
no other spirit(s), whether good or evil ones (e.g. demons, satan angels, other celestial being) can, has or had become flesh (i.e. incarnation)
tartar9 is absolutely right that Mary gave birth to God and a human being
This is a first and last one of a kind thing

³⁵While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, He asked, “How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David?
³⁶Speaking by the Holy Spirit, David himself declared:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’
³⁷David himself calls Him Lord.
So how can He be David’s son?”
And the large crowd listened to Him with delight.
- Mark 12:35-37

David cant be referred to as the Father of God because of the cogent reason illustratively made clear by Jesus in Mark 12:35-37 above

Jesus is said to be the Seed of David because courtesy of Mary's bloodline, He has a line of descent traced to David.

Technically, and in a biological manner, she is the mother of God



That is obvious, we all are on the same page

About Jesus being addressed as Son of David, or Jesus calling Himself Son of Man, these are just titles.
The former, is describing Him as descended from a David seed via Mary
and the latter, attesting His incarnation, as being a male version, human being product.

I liked frbona's post. What a frank admission and honest comment it is.
Out of curiosity, what does the "fr" in "frbona" signify please frbona?

Father
Nickname I got during my altar-serving days at catholic pilgrimage ministry elele.

PrecisionFx:

Joseph impregnated Mary and he gave birth to a male child, Jesus.

Blasphemy.

Gggg102:


the fact that he is seeing and admitting to the truth and at the same time denying it.
is the son of God no longer God?

no Catholic has and will ever say Mary is the mother of pre incarnate God.
so he is fighting a strawman. God existed without a mother but choose to have a mother to accomplish his mission on earth.

he thinks being born by a person = that person created you or you never existed before the person gave birth to you.

The fact is there is no biblical prove to support your argument that Mary should be called mother of God, why not maintain the accepted mother of Jesus.
Your Church is known for Blasphemy go and lookup sites that talks about your Church Satanic and pagan roots.

Gggg102:



so which gospel should be regarded as fake? the one that came 500 years ago, or the one that has been around for 2000 years?

You should know, the one of 500yrs started by Catholics. the early Christains and apostles never worshipped,prayed or call Mary mother of God.

Gggg102:



so Jesus was likened to be a son of David?

so he was not actually the son of David, he was just being compared to a son of David?

Where did i say he was likened to be the son of David?
I said Snake in the wilderness.

Numbers 21:9
John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must the Son of man be
lifted up.

Gggg102:


actually it is with ignorance.

'my people perish because of lack of knowledge'.

and you choose to ignore the truth staring at you in the face. you choose to remain ignorant on purpose.

I laugh at you the Devil will be so happy that he has been able to fool billions of people like you.

Gggg102:

nobody worships Mary.

Really?

blueAgent:


Blasphemy.

Cheap scare tactics.

PrecisionFx:



Cheap scare tactics.

It's a fact you people blasphemy the name of God.

Gggg102:


nobody disagrees that Mary is subject to Christ.

that Mary was silent does not mean that she was inactive.

majority of the apostles were silent after the gospel. did that make them inactive?

have you checked the history of the early church to know they did not practice it?
also the early church did not end in the Bible.

If the early Church did not end in the Bible where did they end?

blueAgent:

It's a fact you people blasphemy the name of God.

I don't blaspheme the name of my own God.

blueAgent:

If the early Church did not end in the Bible where did they end?

it continues till today.
are you trying to say the early church ended?

blueAgent:



The fact is there is no biblical prove to support your argument that Mary should be called mother of God, why not maintain the accepted mother of Jesus.
Your Church is known for Blasphemy go and lookup sites that talks about your Church Satanic and pagan roots.

why not stick to one argument at a time.


I know you don't like the Catholic church and whatever she teaches but don't use your bias to judge every topic.


Jesus is God, whoever gave birth to him gave birth to God in human flesh. she is the mother of God Incarnate.


Mary is a mere creature, created by Jesus yet he chose her to give birth to him.


mary gave birth to her creator, her savior, her lord and her God, yes she did....she is the mother of God.


if you don't like Catholics saying it then maybe you can discuss it with a non Catholic like mutteylaff, but whether you agree or not it is true to deny this is to DENY that Jesus is God.

You kids still on this issue?

Ubenedictus:
why not stick to one argument at a time.


I know you don't like the Catholic church and whatever she teaches but don't use your bias to judge every topic.


Jesus is God, whoever gave birth to him gave birth to God in human flesh. she is the mother of God Incarnate.


Mary is a mere creature, created by Jesus yet he chose her to give birth to him.


mary gave birth to her creator, her savior, her lord and her God, yes she did....she is the mother of God.


if you don't like Catholics saying it then maybe you can discuss it with a non Catholic like mutteylaff, but whether you agree or not it is true to deny this is to DENY that Jesus is God.

Fact: mary is mother of God the son
Not God the father.
Enough with the word play

Ubenedictus:
why not stick to one argument at a time.

I know you don't like the Catholic church and whatever she teaches but don't use your bias to judge every topic.

Jesus is God, whoever gave birth to him gave birth to God in human flesh. she is the mother of God Incarnate.

Mary is a mere creature, created by Jesus yet he chose her to give birth to him.

Mary gave birth to her creator, her savior, her lord and her God, yes she did....she is the mother of God.

if you don't like Catholics saying it then maybe you can discuss it with a non Catholic like mutteylaff,
but whether you agree or not it is true to deny this is to DENY that Jesus is God.

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frbona:
You kids still on this issue?

None of them on the issue are kids

frbona:
Fact: Mary is mother of God the son
Not God the father.
Enough with the word play

Are you minding blueAgent splitting hairs
He just wanted to take a jab at Catholics

PS: Ubenedictus, its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker

Ubenedictus:
why not stick to one argument at a time.


I know you don't like the Catholic church and whatever she teaches but don't use your bias to judge every topic.


Jesus is God, whoever gave birth to him gave birth to God in human flesh. she is the mother of God Incarnate.


Mary is a mere creature, created by Jesus yet he chose her to give birth to him.


mary gave birth to her creator, her savior, her lord and her God, yes she did....she is the mother of God.


if you don't like Catholics saying it then maybe you can discuss it with a non Catholic like mutteylaff, but whether you agree or not it is true to deny this is to DENY that Jesus is God.

Why not you and your Church stick to calling Mary mother of Jesus alone, if that is even relevant?

Gggg102:

it continues till today.
are you trying to say the early church ended?

Am quoting you.

PrecisionFx:


I don't blaspheme the name of my own God.

You ignorantly did.

blueAgent:

You ignorantly did.

Seems u don't have the ability to comprehend.

PrecisionFx:





Seems u don't have the ability to comprehend.

I rather go to hell for my personal wrong idea than going to Hell becos i leased out my brain to some fake popes and fathers to do the thinking for me.

You Catholic members are sheepie.

MuttleyLaff:
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None of them on the issue are kids

Are you minding blueAgent splitting hairs
He just wanted to take a jab at Catholics

PS: Ubenedictus, its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker

The funny thing is all through the Bible Jesus never called Mary Mother rather he used the expression Woman to address Mary .exaltation of Mary to celebrity & godlike status was invented by your Church it is not scriptural.

blueAgent:


I rather go to hell for my personal wrong idea than going to Hell becos i leased out my brain to some fake popes and fathers to do the thinking for me.

You Catholic members are sheepie.

Sorry Sir, Am a Deist.