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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 1:40pm On Aug 06, 2018
Glycolysis:

Is that an answer to my question ?

Now,my question again ; as an atheist you are,you certainly don't believe in faith,hence I ask,what is your proof & evidence to show of how the earth was formed ?

Oh maybe I could help after all !

I guess some powerful random moving gases that came from nowhere & collide together to produce the orderly earth & the other planets !

Then another powerful ape that changes from one form to another that came from primitive amphibians that evolve from fish ,which the fish evolved from the coelentrata that evolved from the prokaryotes some 300 million years ago that came from nowhere produced you & your fellow atheist ! Wonderful !!

Isn't that wonderful ?
Atheist are actually the most smartest of people I have ever seen ! They subject there brain to tedious task to unveil the "truth" !

Maybe soon,you & I,& your fellow atheist will go & explode some more powerful gases close to a valley to form another earth ! We shall call it "EARTH-002 " !
What do you think ? We will certainly win a noble prize for that magnificent evention that came from NOWHERE !!

Wonderful once more !
Excuse me! You accused me of claiming the earth was formed out of nothing, now you are telling me about gases colliding! Where did I tell you that the earth was formed out of gasses? Are you just being absurd perhaps, and don't even understand the meaning of your very own words? Did God not form the earth out of nothing? Was God itself formed out of something? So why do you make out like claiming the earth was formed out of nothing is so absurd when that is exactly what you believe?

If you could think, you would wonder how the heck I could possibly know how the earth was formed. Was I there? Or don't you know how long the earth has been in existence? Was anyone there to record it? Yet you are stupidly asking me to provide you with evidence of how the earth came into existence! Perhaps you think I am like you who relies on priests or scientists or one single book to tell me what I should believe!?

If you don't know a thing to be true, it is perfectly okay to believe, as long as you say so, which you do, I guess. Or is it not true that you believe that God created the heaven and the earth, according to you? But going about and making out that what you chose to believe is what actually happened is for the silly people. And assuming that one believes stuff one never told you one believed is even sillier! buda does not do belief, or silly! You sir need to evolve a bit!

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 1:51pm On Aug 06, 2018
budaatum:

Excuse me! You accused me of claiming the earth was formed out of nothing, now you are telling me about gases colliding! Where did I tell you that the earth was formed out of gasses? Are you just being absurd perhaps, and don't even understand the meaning of your very own words? Did God not form the earth out of nothing? Was God itself formed out of something? So why do you make out like claiming the earth was formed out of nothing is so absurd when that is exactly what you believe?

If you could think, you would wonder how the heck I could possibly know how the earth was formed. Was I there? Or don't you know how long the earth has been in existence? Was anyone there to record it? Yet you are stupidly asking me to provide you with evidence of how the earth came into existence! Perhaps you think I am like you who relies on priests or scientists or one single book to tell me what I should believe!?

If you don't know a thing to be true, it is perfectly okay to believe, as long as you say so, which you do, I guess. Or is it not true that you believe that God created the heaven and the earth, according to you? But going about and making out that what you chose to believe is what actually happened is for the silly people. And assuming that one believes stuff one never told you one believed is even sillier! buda does not do belief, or silly! You sir need to evolve a bit!

My friend,are you not an atheist ?
If yes, it's an atheist general view that earth was formed from nothing !
Hence,my earlier write up ...
Oh,maybe you should forgive me for generalizing.....
Maybe,after all,you're no atheist .

Oh,he don't have a believe system ? ..oh my God !
Wonderful !
So,how do you view life from your "little world " ?......you're no atheist, you're no Christian, you don't believe in science !
Meeting your type for the very first time...
My question above ...if you don't mind sir
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 4:07pm On Aug 06, 2018
Glycolysis:

My friend,are you not an atheist ?
If yes, it's an atheist general view that earth was formed from nothing !
Hence,my earlier write up ...
Oh,maybe you should forgive me for generalizing.....
Maybe,after all,you're no atheist .

Oh,he don't have a believe system ? ..oh my God !
Wonderful !
So,how do you view life from your "little world " ?......you're no atheist, you're no Christian, you don't believe in science !
Meeting your type for the very first time...
My question above ...if you don't mind sir

Oh so you are meeting me for the first time, yet you assume to read my mind! You must have amazing powers! Are they the same powers with which you are able to determine how the heaven and the earth was created too, I can't but wonder, or if there was anything in the beginning? But let me forgive you. Though do remember that it is you that seems to believe that the earth was formed from nothing. I was not there to see what was there when the earth came into existence.

So, to your question, How was life formed? No one actually knows, though there are many hypothesis on the topic. The available information is that every living thing has the same building blocks so living things must have become more complex over time until we get to what we have today. But to the very beginning of life? We are still searching.

As to the formation of the universe, we are talking billions and billions of years here so anything proposed is just a theory. No one knows exactly. And I don't do believes, as I have said, so I wouldn't cling on to any, for now.

And yes, I am an atheist. It simply means that I don't believe things in general. No evidence, can say "I don't know", instead of believing stuff cooked up in my head or that of someone elses, even if they cooked it up thousands of years ago,

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Aug 06, 2018
budaatum:

Oh so you are meeting me for the first time, yet you assume to read my mind! You must have amazing powers! Are they the same powers with which you are able to determine how the heaven and the earth was created too, I can't but wonder, or if there was anything in the beginning? But let me forgive you. Though do remember that it is you that seems to believe that the earth was formed from nothing. I was not there to see what was there when the earth came into existence.

So, to your question, How was life formed? No one actually knows, though there are many hypothesis on the topic. The available information s that every living thing has the same building blocks so living things must have become more complex over time until we get to what we have today. But to the very beginning of life? We are still searching.

As to the formation of the universe, we are talking billions and billions of years here so anything proposed is just a theory. No one knows exactly. And I don't do believes, as I have said, so I wouldn't cling on to any, for now.

And yes, I am an atheist. It simply means that I don't believe things in general. No evidence, can say "I don't know", instead of believing stuff cooked up in my head or that of someone elses, even if they cooked it up thousands of years ago,

You should have decipher earlier on that my story of how the earth was formed was I TAKING A DIG at atheist " theory " of how the earth was formed .....
I'm a theist, so,I saw that "evidence" of an athiest of how the earth was formed as a big joke...or rather,science,as a big joke !

I was being sarcastic & making mockery of the "evidence" cheesy...& you did not deduce that ? You own me 2000 Naira for that wink
I was not literally saying that the earth came from nothing.....i was making fun of the believe .

I know you're an atheist, but from ur recent conversation with me,you claim not to believe in anything whasover ! Complicated ,I must say....
Your write up is actually contradicting your claims !
Your write up don't paint you an atheist, you claims does ! Yea,go read your write up again....

I won't even try convince you on whatsoever....

No,I don't need "evolving"... as you claimed in your previous respond....
I GROW mentally,physically & psychologically...if that's what you meant,then that's just tactic to shame one rather than constructive criticism.....
Your opinion ?...I still doubt it matters ,in these situation ,to me..thanks for your concern anyway.


It's people that claims to had come from primitive fishes,amphibians & apes that need " evolving" to probably a "super monkey" these time around,they needs "evolving" to keep the evolutionary trend going .........probably,we are going to witness that in 50 years time !

Yea,growth & evolving are different concepts..

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 10:11pm On Aug 06, 2018
There you go. A little regard and respect for an atheist from you. After all, according to you, I am God's creation, regardless of the beliefs I may hold in my head. And is it not true that "in as much as you do for me, the least of God's creation, ye have done for the Lord thy God who art in Heaven?" You don't get lower than a fool after all.

So, now we got the need to regard one another out of the way, let's do some atheism, shall we?

Do tell, have you studied science past secondary school. I need a response please. You might have learnt about single cell organisms. There was a time, it is claimed, that those were the only lifeforms on earth, though the evidence for this claim is sketchy. But over billions of years, these developed into big lifeforms and eventually dinosaurs. Humans did not exist at the time.

How does that sound to you?




Glycolysis:

You should have decipher earlier on that my story of how the earth was formed was I TAKING A DIG at atheist " theory " of how the earth was formed .....
I'm a theist, so,I saw that "evidence" of an athiest of how the earth was formed as a big joke...or rather,science,as a big joke !

I was being sarcastic & making mockery of the "evidence" cheesy...& you did not deduce that ? You own me 2000 Naira for that wink
I was not literally saying that the earth came from nothing.....i was making fun of the believe .

I know you're an atheist, but from ur recent conversation with me,you claim not to believe in anything whasover ! Complicated ,I must say....
Your write up is actually contradicting your claims !
Your write up don't paint you an atheist, you claims does ! Yea,go read your write up again....

I won't even try convince you on whatsoever....

No,I don't need "evolving"... as you claimed in your previous respond....
I GROW mentally,physically & psychologically...if that's what you meant,then that's just tactic to shame one rather than constructive criticism.....
Your opinion ?...I still doubt it matters ,in these situation ,to me..thanks for your concern anyway.


It's people that claims to had come from primitive fishes,amphibians & apes that need " evolving" to probably a "super monkey" these time around,they needs "evolving" to keep the evolutionary trend going .........probably,we are going to witness that in 50 years time !

Yea,growth & evolving are different concepts..



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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 9:58am On Aug 07, 2018
budaatum:
There you go. A little regard and respect for an atheist from you. After all, according to you, I am God's creation, regardless of the beliefs I may hold in my head. And is it not true that "in as much as you do for me, the least of God's creation, ye have done for the Lord thy God who art in Heaven?" You don't get lower than a fool after all So, ow we got the need to regard one another out of the way, let's do some atheism, shall we?

Do tell, have you studied science past secondary school. I need a response please. You might have learnt about single cell organisms. There was a time, it is claimed, that those were the only lifeforms on earth, though the evidence for this claim is sketchy. But over billions of years, these developed into big lifeforms and eventually dinosaurs. Humans did not exist at the time.

How does that sound to you?





Yea,currently a medical radiography student at UNN,but going for change of course...
You don't expect me to believe it ? Do you ?...
Human has always existed since creation....
I don't expect you to agree with me on these....
And the scientific evidence I gave you previously was based on comparative anatomy of how human evolved from fishes,amphibians,reptiles & birds....go study the structure of their heart, you will see an "evidence" of how human evolved from the "FARB" (Fish,amphibians,Reptiles & Birds)....and you may end up agreeing to that ,though ,the gullibles !

The evolution of prokayotes to dinosaurs is the most flawed science theory of how human came about I have ever seen !
Don't like begets like ?...they will talk about incomplete dominance,to a situation of forming a completely different organism ..just too flawed !
The only "evidence" that makes perfect proof to me of how humans came about is the creation story ! ....Which I don't still expect you to believe & won't even convince you on whatsoever ....

That's the only "evidence" that have that proof like begets like ..
Fish begets fish .Reptiles begets reptiles !
Birds begets birds !..


Good morning..
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 10:30am On Aug 07, 2018
A medical radiology student! Lots of science! Yes, you should change course. What you changing too? And why? Good morning.

The knowledge of the evolution from single cells to dinosaurs is speculation, at best, though based on quite a lot of evidence. The times in between are after all in the billions of years, so how any one can know for sure is up for some skeptism. Mammals, it is said, started to prosper 63 million years ago, 2 million years after the dinosaurs were wiped out.

But you might not even agree with these times! So, check this list for me and let me know, would you?
Glycolysis:

Yea,currently a medical radiography student at UNN,but going for change of course...
You don't expect me to believe it ? Do you ?...
Human has always existed since creation....
I don't expect you to agree with me on these....
And the scientific evidence I gave you previously was based on comparative anatomy of how human evolved from fishes,amphibians,reptiles & birds....go study the structure of their heart, you will see an "evidence" of how human evolved from the "FARB" (Fish,amphibians,Reptiles & Birds)....and you may end up agreeing to that ,though ,the gullibles !

The evolution of prokayotes to dinosaurs is the most flawed science theory of how human came about I have ever seen !
Don't like begets like ?...they will talk about incomplete dominance,to a situation of forming a completely different organism ..just too flawed !
The only "evidence" that makes perfect proof to me of how humans came about is the creation story ! ....Which I don't still expect you to believe & won't even convince you on whatsoever ....

That's the only "evidence" that have that proof like begets like ..
Fish begets fish .Reptiles begets reptiles !
Birds begets birds !..


Good morning..
I noticed the word, "evidence" in your "The only "evidence" that makes perfect proof to me of how humans came about is the creation story ! "

So listen carefully to my warning!

"You are not allowed to become an atheist, ever!"

I would have put it in bold so you don't miss it, but other's might see it too and try to convert you, and I am not having any of that!

But tell, why did you qualify the word "evidence" as you have done?

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 11:12am On Aug 07, 2018
budaatum:
A medical radiology student! Lots of science! Yes, you should change course. What you changing too? And why? Good morning.

The knowledge of the evolution from single cells to dinosaurs is speculation, at best, though based on quite a lot of evidence. The times in between are after all in the billions of years, so how any one can know for sure is up for some skeptism. Mammals, it is said, started to prosper 63 million years ago, 2 million years after the dinosaurs were wiped out.

But you might not even agree with these times! So, check this list for me and let me know, would you?

I noticed the word, "evidence" in your "The only "evidence" that makes perfect proof to me of how humans came about is the creation story ! "

So listen carefully to my warning!

"You are not allowed to become an atheist, ever!"

I would have put it in bold so you don't miss it, but other's might see it too and try to convert you, and I am not having any of that!

But tell, why did you qualify the word "evidence" as you have done?
Feel like pointing out something to you sir,medical radiography is different from medical radiology...
Medical radiology is a specialization in medicine .
You can decide to undergo your specialization in medical radiology AFTER your 7 years in medical school ( your housemanship inclusive )...
While medical radiography is a para medical course, they both,in anyway,does ultrasound,CAT SCAN & many of such ....But they are different !

Passion & interest ......
Medicine ... Which has worked out (optimistic )

What could serve as an evidence to me ,may not serve as the same to you... Hence,when I talked about my evidence,I mean my "evidence ".
It may not be sufficient evidence for you,but it could be a sufficient evidence for me !
Hence,my " evidence" wink ..Get my drift ?

Being an atheist ? ...I'm still finding it IMPOSSIBLE,though,a difficult assertion to make in our contemporary world,but I will use it .
I'm still finding it impossible to see a logical ground & proof that will give me an evidence that there is no supernatural(s) being overseeing human affairs !

I will appreciate if you have any for me .......Seriously,I am open minded to UNDERSTAND your views. Will you ?

Like,what's YOUR evidence that their is no supernatural beings that could influence human actions ,thoughts & perceptions ......

Hence,I said earlier on, it's the most flawed theory of how human came to be....
I will not assure you on that, but I will try my best to see if I will click that link......

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 11:48am On Aug 07, 2018
I just did ! ( Click the link you provided )

@ budaatum...

How do you want me to believe that as an EVIDENCE of how human where formed
It's at best ,a GUESS WORK...which they even acknowledged...filled to a very large extent,with uncertainty !

It's still the same story of how prokaryotes evolved to eukaryotes many 5 billions years ago ! ..... And then many other flawed theory of fossil records ( a record where there is to a large extent, an UNCERTAINTY of life processes),comparative anatomy,physiological functions of body parts ( appendix ,the perefect example)....

Thank God,you acknowledged earlier on that you don't expect me to believe the time differences they used there ! And you know what ? You are right !
No logical human being will agree to that as an evidence,unless you choose to live in self denial...

Thanks for the link,anyway,but it only "concentrated" my believe ; A Likelife process must have come from a similar LIKE LIFE !
A LIFE PROCESS cannot be obtained from a NON -LIFE process !
Even the evidence on embryology still attest to my claims that a likelife process ( cell is a life ) can only be formed from aanother LIKE LIFE PROCESS !
Does cell "evolve" ? No ,cell can only grow through mitotic processes !
A human sperm cell cannot produce a paramecium cell !
A human sperm cell can only "grow" to a human being after fertilization with a female sex cell !

A fertilization of the male sex cell with the female sex cell CANNOT produce a goat !
Maybe in another 3 billions of years that will be feasible ! Lol ! Is not that a joke ?

It still strengthen my stands that LIKE BEGETS LIKE ! Hence,human would not have evolved from any dinosaurs & her predecessors !
Human being is no dinosaur & dinosaurs are not human beings !
Human would only have evolved from human !

Awaiting your view on these...

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 11:56am On Aug 07, 2018
Glycolysis:

Feel like pointing out something to you sir,medical radiography is different from medical radiology...
Medical radiology is a specialization in medicine .
You can decide to undergo your specialization in medical radiology AFTER your 7 years in medical school ( your housemanship inclusive )...
While medical radiography is a para medical course, they both,in anyway,does ultrasound,CAT SCAN & many of such ....But they are different !

Passion & interest ......
Medicine ... Which has worked out (optimistic )

What could serve as an evidence to me ,may not serve as the same to you... Hence,when I talked about my evidence,I mean my "evidence ".
It may not be sufficient evidence for you,but it could be a sufficient evidence for me !
Hence,my " evidence" wink ..Get my drift ?

Being an atheist ? ...I'm still finding it IMPOSSIBLE,though,a difficult assertion to make in our contemporary world,but I will use it .
I'm still finding it impossible to see a logical ground & proof that will give me an evidence that there is no supernatural(s) being overseeing human affairs !

I will appreciate if you have any for me .......Seriously,I am open minded to UNDERSTAND your views. Will you ?

Like,what's YOUR evidence that their is no supernatural beings that could influence human actions ,thoughts & perceptions ......

Hence,I said earlier on, it's the most flawed theory of how human came to be....
I will not assure you on that, but I will try my best to see if I will click that link......


Thanks for the education. You want to be a proper doctor and not a technician. Amen

You are asking me to provide evidence for what you already believe exists! You funny! You might want to read my comments here to understand the problem involved in providing evidence. It's why I asked about your science education.

People with no scientific education tend not to have the same idea of "evidence" as scientists. The scientist relies on systematic observation and measurement, in effect, verifiable evidence, as in 'not something just cooked up in the head' and claimed to be true. Scientific evidence is not some sort of evidence one can just refuse to accept without providing reasons for it's rejection. If a scientific claim is made that a one litre jug contains half a litre of water, one can't just say "no it doesn't"! We measure the water in the jug to determine how much water is in it.

While believers say the exact opposite, and believe in the unverifiable, with no need to measure or observe, at least as far as beliefs are concerned. Some would even tell you that trying to measure and observe is a lack of faith!

Imagine a doctor diagnosing an illness without performing the sort of tests you are learning about, but claiming he knows, by faith what is wrong with the patient. Would you like to be that sort of medical doctor? Would you even like to be that doctor's patient?

I shall not provide you with evidence about "supernatural beings" , sorry. What I shall do instead is supernatural you instead. And the evidence that I have done so is that in the next few days, you are going to use your mind like you've never done before! It's a challenge, if you're up to it. You will at the least know the answer to the question asked in this thread. And while unscientific, I'll be able to say I gave you the evidence you needed.

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 12:03pm On Aug 07, 2018
Good, that is exactly how I expected you to respond. But please note, I do not want you to believe! I after all did say that's something I don't do so why would I want you to? And the article itself gave you enough information ( "acknowledged...filled to a very large extent,with uncertainty" ) to stop you believing it!

Now, one more link. It has timelines too, and details about creation. Read it and let me know your opinion.


Glycolysis:
I just did ! ( Click the link you provided )

@ budaatum...

How do you want me to believe that as an EVIDENCE of how human where formed
It's at best ,a GUESS WORK...which they even acknowledged...filled to a very large extent,with uncertainty !

It's still the same story of how prokaryotes evolved to eukaryotes many 5 billions years ago ! ..... And then many other flawed theory of fossil records ( a record where there is to a large extent, an UNCERTAINTY of life processes),comparative anatomy,physiological functions of body parts ( appendix ,the perefect example)....

Thank God,you acknowledged earlier on that you don't expect me to believe the time differences they used there ! And you know what ? You are right !
No logical human being will agree to that as an evidence,unless you choose to live in self denial...

Thanks for the link,anyway,but it only "concentrated" my believe ; A Likelife process must have come from a similar LIKE LIFE !
A LIFE PROCESS cannot be obtained from a NON -LIFE process !
Even the evidence on embryology still attest to my claims that a likelife process ( cell is a life ) can only be formed from aanother LIKE LIFE PROCESS !
Does cell "evolve" ? No ,cell can only grow through mitotic processes !
A human sperm cell cannot produce a paramecium cell !
A human sperm cell can only "grow" to a human being after fertilization with a female sex cell !

A fertilization of the male sex cell with the female sex cell CANNOT produce a goat !
Maybe in another 3 billions of years that will be feasible ! Lol ! Is not that a joke ?

It still strengthen my stands that LIKE BEGETS LIKE ! Hence,human would not have evolved from any dinosaurs & her predecessors !
Human being is no dinosaur & dinosaurs are not human beings !
Human would only have evolved from human !

Awaiting your view on these...

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 12:27pm On Aug 07, 2018
budaatum:


Thanks for the education. You want to be a proper doctor and not a technician. Amen

You are asking me to provide evidence for what you already believe exists! You funny! You might want to read my comments here to understand the problem involved in providing evidence. It's why I asked about your science education.

People with no scientific education tend not to have the same idea of "evidence" as scientists. The scientist relies on systematic observation and measurement, in effect, verifiable evidence, as in 'not something just cooked up in the head' and claimed to be true. Scientific evidence is not some sort of evidence one can just refuse to accept without providing reasons for it's rejection. If a scientific claim is made that a one litre jug contains half a litre of water, one can't just say "no it doesn't"! We measure the water in the jug to determine how much water is in it.

While believers say the exact opposite, and believe in the unverifiable, with no need to measure or observe, at least as far as beliefs are concerned. Some would even tell you that trying to measure and observe is a lack of faith!

Imagine a doctor diagnosing an illness without performing the sort of tests you are learning about, but claiming he knows, by faith what is wrong with the patient. Would you like to be that sort of medical doctor? Would you even like to be that doctor's patient?

I shall not provide you with evidence about "supernatural beings" , sorry. What I shall do instead is supernatural you instead. And the evidence that I have done so is that in the next few days, you are going to use your mind like you've never done before! It's a challenge, if you're up to it. You will at the least know the answer to the question asked in this thread. And while unscientific, I'll be able to say I gave you the evidence you needed.

Natural science that relies on scientific processes cannot prove SUPERNATURAL BEINGS..
Natural science make use of the brain cells on some hypothesis to deduce a result..though ,some practical..
*Supernatural science",oh ,I love that word ,don't need NATURALscience observation & test to prove supernatural beings .....
Natural science is way too flawed for that..
Hence,no Christian uses natural science to prove God... Can we go to the supernatural science ?..

It demands more than your brain cells ! It demands more than your physical evidence & test !
I repeat,no natural science can prove the evidence of God !
Supernatural science does !

YOUR evidence,right ?...
You're funny . I notice how you,that claimed earlier on not have a general believe,is using a scientific general believe as an evidence !
I guess you don't do general believe,why are you using general scientific believe ?!....

That's double standard sir..
Show me YOUR evidence in any evidence you want to show me !
YOUR evidence ! Not scientific evidence...
Until then,I will take you serious..

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 12:46pm On Aug 07, 2018
budaatum:
Good, that is exactly how I expected you to respond. But please note, I do not want you to believe! I after all did say that's something I don't do so why would I want you to? And the article itself gave you enough information ( "acknowledged...filled to a very large extent,with uncertainty" ) to stop you believing it!

Now, one more link. It has timelines too, and details about creation. Read it and let me know your opinion.


Are you the writer of that article ?...if no,you write up earlier on are coming back to hurt you !
You don't do general believe,but you're free to use the same general believe ,these time around, science,to try to prove a point....

Sir,where is YOUR evidence of what ever you want to show me ...yours !
Unless,you suddenly start doing general believe,but these time,science general believe !

You want to supernatural me ?...I'm sorry, I'm too humble to want to take a perishable attainment in place of God in my life ....
What's the purpose where at the end I will still be judged inspite my supernatural status before a person that's greater & will always be greater than I...
But is those link ,you're providing that's going to serve as evidence to me ?
Should I tell you the truth ? NO WRITE UP YOU WILL PRESENT AS AN EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT GOD DONT EXIST,THAT I HAVE NOT HAD A very close encounter with a very similar articles ....
You want to try ?....then go ahead !
That's why I demand YOUR evidence, it could be what may convince me that God don't exist ..

Biological sciences & the science of physics has always being my areas of study ...Unless you're going to philosophy.
Go ahead !

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 12:56pm On Aug 07, 2018
Did read it....
@budaatum,
My opinion ? Would my opinion matter ? I doubt it will...just being sincere & ,again,curious with why you ask me to read that...
Now,I feel you want to ask question(s) from their, go ahead .
Or you still insist on what I THINK about the creation story in the book of Genesis ?

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Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 1:14pm On Aug 07, 2018
Glycolysis:

Natural science that relies on scientific processes cannot prove SUPERNATURAL BEINGS..
Natural science make use of the brain cells on some hypothesis to deduce a result..though ,some practical..
*Supernatural science",oh ,I love that word ,don't need NATURALscience observation & test to prove supernatural beings .....
Natural science is way too flawed for that..
Hence,no Christian uses natural science to prove God... Can we go to the supernatural science ?..

It demands more than your brain cells ! It demands more than your physical evidence & test !
I repeat,no natural science can prove the evidence of God !
Supernatural science does !

YOUR evidence,right ?...
You're funny . I notice how you,that claimed earlier on not have a general believe,is using a scientific general believe as an evidence !
I guess you don't do general believe,why are you using general scientific believe ?!....

That's double standard sir..
Show me YOUR evidence in any evidence you want to show me !
YOUR evidence ! Not scientific evidence...
Until then,I will take you serious..

Wow. It would help the world if yuu should write a book on creation for dummies.
Or you should become a Supreme Court judge based on your skills demonstrated here.
You have found the worlds most deceptive atheist guilty of crooked "double standards"

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 1:25pm On Aug 07, 2018
Hey! Hold it right there! I thought you said your mind was open? Then at least be open enough to understand clearly please!

I have not told you any belief of mine! And you can hardly claim a document that expresses doubt in it's own claims by clearly stating, it "is often tricky", that you should have "problems with", because it has "confounding factors" racked up against, "making the earlier dates more uncertain" even "more uncertain the further back you go" because they "are very uncertain" and "marked with a question mark" and "should be taken as approximate", is asking you to then believe! Or would you still say it is?

If you read my last link, you would find that I already said that any evidence I might provide would not be accepted, so you need not tell me the obvious. And I am not trying to make you believe anything.

As to my supernaturalling you, you hardly know what I mean so I'd be a bit less assumptuous if I were you!

Glycolysis:

Are you the writer of that article ?...if no,you write up earlier on are coming back to hurt you !
You don't do general believe,but you're free to use the same general believe ,these time around, science,to try to prove a point....

Sir,where is YOUR evidence of what ever you want to show me ...yours !
Unless,you suddenly start doing general believe,but these time,science general believe !

You want to supernatural me ?...I'm sorry, I'm too humble to want to take a perishable attainment in place of God in my life ....
What's the purpose where at the end I will still be judged inspite my supernatural status before a person that's greater & will always be greater than I...
But is those link ,you're providing that's going to serve as evidence to me ?
Should I tell you the truth ? NO WRITE UP YOU WILL PRESENT AS AN EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT GOD DONT EXIST,THAT I HAVE NOT HAD A very close encounter with a very similar articles ....
You want to try ?....then go ahead !
That's why I demand YOUR evidence, it could be what may convince me that God don't exist ..

Biological sciences & the science of physics has always being my areas of study ...Unless you're going to philosophy.
Go ahead !

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 1:37pm On Aug 07, 2018
Glycolysis:
Did read it....
@budaatum,
My opinion ? Would my opinion matter ? I doubt it will...just being sincere & ,again,curious with why you ask me to read that...
Now,I feel you want to ask question(s) from their, go ahead .
Or you still insist on what I THINK about the creation story in the book of Genesis ?
Yes, I do want to ask you a question Two very simple ones, or at least, your opinion.

Please explain to me why I should believe, the creation story in this list.

And please explain to me why I should believe the creation story in the one more link.

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Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 2:23pm On Aug 07, 2018
Glycolysis:

But you have faith that something forms out of nothing ? ....right ? You have faith that you evolved from nothing ....right ?...like some evotionary trends....You also have faith that orderliness forms out of disorderliness by some " powerful" gases that forms from NOTHING !!

Atheist accuses Christians of being delusionals,but they also are filled with bigger delusions !
Hypocrisy at best !
It seems like long ago scientist knew that they must feed their most ardent atheist believers, fraudulent findings to reinforce their belief in the atheist deity known as NO-GOD.

What do you make of this scientific guess ;

93 million years ago
The oceans become starved of oxygen, possibly due to a huge underwater volcanic eruption. Twenty-seven per cent of marine invertebrates are wiped out.

In their haste to feed overzealous atheists a load of crap, scientist smartly added mathematical accuracy of 27% of the 100% that they went back 93 million years to accurately count. All this are mysteriously obtained from a few fossils.

So these crooked scientist deduce from one fossil that 27% survived the oxygen starved ocean even though these fossils has no lungs to check for oxygen or lack of oxygen. Please help me Glycolysis. I can't breath.

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 9:54pm On Aug 07, 2018
ScienceWatch:
Wow. It would help the world if yuu should write a book on creation for dummies.
Or you should become a Supreme Court judge based on your skills demonstrated here.
You have found the worlds most deceptive atheist guilty of crooked "double standards"
cheesy cheesy...thanks for the compliments...
No,I guess they are the "learned", while we are the " dummies" that need to open our mind to science that more flawed than anything you could thing about... Lol. They are jokes...
We know them...
Exactly ,it's in their DNA to always twist & turn ,in other to fit assumptions into thier flawed theory ..

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 9:55pm On Aug 07, 2018
ScienceWatch:
Wow. It would help the world if yuu should write a book on creation for dummies.
Or you should become a Supreme Court judge based on your skills demonstrated here.
You have found the worlds most deceptive atheist guilty of crooked "double standards"
cheesy cheesy...thanks for the compliments...
No,I guess they are the "learned", while we are the " dummies" that need to open our mind to science that's more flawed than anything you could thing about... Lol. They are jokes...
We know them...
Exactly ,it's in their DNA to always twist & turn ,in other to fit assumptions into thier flawed theory ..

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 9:59pm On Aug 07, 2018
ScienceWatch:
It seems like long ago scientist knew that they must feed their most ardent atheist believers, fraudulent findings to reinforce their belief in the atheist deity known as NO-GOD.

What do you make of this scientific guess ;

93 million years ago
The oceans become starved of oxygen, possibly due to a huge underwater volcanic eruption. Twenty-seven per cent of marine invertebrates are wiped out.

In their haste to feed overzealous atheists a load of crap, scientist smartly added mathematical accuracy of 27% of the 100% that they went back 93 million years to accurately count. All this are mysteriously obtained from a few fossils.

So these crooked scientist deduce from one fossil that 27% survived the oxygen starved ocean even though these fossils has no lungs to check for oxygen or lack of oxygen. Please help me Glycolysis. I can't breath.
grin..lmao.
We know them...we don't expect anything different..flawed & funny as usual cheesy

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 11:46pm On Aug 07, 2018
budaatum:

Yes, I do want to ask you a question Two very simple ones, or at least, your opinion.

Please explain to me why I should believe, the creation story in this list.

And please explain to me why I should believe the creation story in the one more link.
OK..
You want me to convince you in any, right ?...
I won't convince you on any !
Live your life with what you felt is best for you !
Live your life with the non- believe you have held on to !
Just continue with it......I won't try to convince you & I will never do that...

But below ,is MY findings that there MUST be someone that has the power to make the world we live today....

MY EVIDENCE ;
There are three (3) things I have always wanted a SUBSTANTIAL answer(s) for in life ;

1-Time
2- How life ACTUALLY started &
3-The creation of the earth & other heavily bodies..

I'm a "seeker" ,if you get my drift....

Now,let's start with time & life ..

Science never have a prove of how time started .. Go read all science article you know about evolutionary trends,no science study shows how time started ! ( big bangs come to mind,but you know what ? ...just read below on how flawed it is )

If life started 3.5 billions of years ago,then ,certainly things & life process must has being since 7.5 Billions of years !
Life can't just start 3.5 billions of years !
There must have being a life that has lived before 3.5 billions of years ....
Hence,we were told "lower" animals evolved to bigger animals...great.
In my study of metamorphosis of insects....I got to understand that a maggot,which could be a younger fly,cannot metamorphosized to a cockroach !

A maggot can only metamorphized to an adult fly because it's the younger of that insect....
Then ,why tell me that prokaryotes can metamorphozied to an adult human ....
Experimentally,it's not proven !!then why should you & I believe that ...

A feotus & zygote of a human can only metamorphized to adult human ,even in cases of genetic mutations...
Now,science did not prove life processes to me...
Then I went to the book of Genesis ,to see how life started in the book.....
One,it provided an evidence to me that like actually begets like...
A sheep can only beget a sheep ! A human can only beget a human ! A cockroach can only beget a cockroach no matter how evolved the cockroach would be !
Even in 3.5 billions of years to come,a cockroach can only beget a cockroach !

Now,the puzzle of how human came is solved for me ; human were created & was not as a product of evolution some 4.5 billions of years ago !

Now ,more on time,the Bible made it clear that " in the beginning..... " hence,life & time must have being existing before the the world was created ?
Now,the question, what is that life ??....
Again,on the study of the Bible ,I was made to understand that the "life" before creation is ageless & timeless !
Oh,the "life" did not exist some 5.6 billions of years ago ....no,the "life" has existed without age & time .The "life" has no beginining & no ending....The "life " don't "evolve" from anything to to another ....
Then those that wrote the Bible,how would they have known that a being existed without age & time ?...where they there ?..no they were not there ..then how did then know ...they are PEN WRITERS !! ......
Can't the pen writers forge & write what they were never told ??...you MUST be found worthy ,Holy & Righteous before you're qualified as a pen writer of the words of the ageless & timeless Being...

Can't I fake it ?? He sees your heart & knowns your actions in & out !
Can't the ageless & timeless Being lie to human ? ...He respect His word more than His name .

Now,I think I can have a starting point of how life came to be....a supernatural being must have done that !
Something cannot just come out of nothing !
Their must be a designer of a design...

Now,how was the orderly earth & other heavenly bodies formed ?
Big bang ! Yea,big bang ! That cosmic event that mark the beginning of time & how the universe was formed ...
But ,I really want to study these big bang theory of how the universe was formed ...
Where did the gas came from that exploded to form the earth ?..don't tell me from nowhere !
How is that possible ?..are they talking about spontaneous generation that has being proven very wrong in biology ..yea, abiogenesis.

But the matters are non living...but it does support living things .... Yea,the big bang structured it so ! cheesy..


A huge explosion that structured the earth ,the planets & other heavenly structures the way they are Yes,it happened some 5.6 billions of years ago ! cheesy
And many more astrophysics "madness "...
Is that an evidence to me ? Certainly no ! And you ? ..I guess you will roll on the floor with laughter reading that....
A such a powerful explosion cannot produce an orderly & arranged heavenly bodies...that one rises in the day & another at night ! An explosion cannot make such process possible....

OK,let me try the Bible again...
I was meant to understand that the earth & the heavenly planets were CREATED !
They were just as a function of a powerful explosion..
And the moon & sun to set at night & day on our planet ? An ONLY orderly arranged work would have done that....
Who did it ,then ? In the Bible,I was meant to understand that an ageless & timeless Being did it ...
Am I that " gullible " ? ..maybe ,maybe not.
But it only confirmed my believe that a huge explosion can't just mark the creation of the universe ...The universe must have being a well thought out architectural masterpiece from someone that has the power to do that & create....and the Bible proved it so .

And lastly,my personal experience !

I think these is the fundamental part of why I strongly believe that there is a supernatural being that could influence ,& also have the power that natural science will never explain....

Is that an evidence ? No & yes !
No,to natural science that needs test & mere observations.....

Yes,to people that could "look ",but these time,with an open mind .It goes way beyond natural science that changes situation to fits a theory ...it goes beyond that.


It could not be an evidence to you,for me, I care less,you go ahead & live with your life....


Good night & do have a wonderful sleep....

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 11:50pm On Aug 07, 2018
budaatum:
Hey! Hold it right there! I thought you said your mind was open? Then at least be open enough to understand clearly please!

I have not told you any belief of mine! And you can hardly claim a document that expresses doubt in it's own claims by clearly stating, it "is often tricky", that you should have "problems with", because it has "confounding factors" racked up against, "making the earlier dates more uncertain" even "more uncertain the further back you go" because they "are very uncertain" and "marked with a question mark" and "should be taken as approximate", is asking you to then believe! Or would you still say it is?

If you read my last link, you would find that I already said that any evidence I might provide would not be accepted, so you need not tell me the obvious. And I am not trying to make you believe anything.

As to my supernaturalling you, you hardly know what I mean so I'd be a bit less assumptuous if I were you!

Alright.....
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 1:17am On Aug 08, 2018
You are indeed funny! You seriously give me laugh. You read all that scientific evidence, was not convinced one tiny bit, and decided Genesis is the correct answer, God done it, and you want to tell me even you can't see how absurd you are being? Lol!

Dear Glycolysis, I advise you to be very careful. You know when I said I was going to supernatural you? I actually changed it from "supernatural your head" so as not to scare you. I'm going to tell you what I meant.

I detected you were searching for knowledge. It's a good thing, especially if you are going to be a brilliant doctor. People who believe however, are not searching for anything. They already believe what they want to believe so why would they be searching for more knowledge? Surely, you know everything already. Or don't you believe?

I've presented you with two stories, and for some reason, you chose the simpler one. I bet it's the one drummed into you from birth. And that's good. So we shall leave it at that. You must keep believing. Never ever become one of those no-god supposedly bad behaving unbelieving no-Christ in their life atheists. If you do, you will go to hell!

Thank you for opening your mind, and for your time. I enjoyed the conversation. 'God' be with you if you ever have doubts.

Glycolysis:

OK..
You want me to convince you in any, right ?...
I won't convince you on any !
Live your life with what you felt is best for you !
Live your life with the non- believe you have held on to !
Just continue with it......I won't try to convince you & I will never do that...

But below ,is MY findings that there MUST be someone that has the power to make the world we live today....

MY EVIDENCE ;
There are three (3) things I have always wanted a SUBSTANTIAL answer(s) for in life ;

1-Time
2- How life ACTUALLY started &
3-The creation of the earth & other heavily bodies..

I'm a "seeker" ,if you get my drift....

Now,let's start with time & life ..

Science never have a prove of how time started .. Go read all science article you know about evolutionary trends,no science study shows how time started ! ( big bangs come to mind,but you know what ? ...just read below on how flawed it is )

If life started 3.5 billions of years ago,then ,certainly things & life process must has being since 7.5 Billions of years !
Life can't just start 3.5 billions of years !
There must have being a life that has lived before 3.5 billions of years ....
Hence,we were told "lower" animals evolved to bigger animals...great.
In my study of metamorphosis of insects....I got to understand that a maggot,which could be a younger fly,cannot metamorphosized to a cockroach !

A maggot can only metamorphized to an adult fly because it's the younger of that insect....
Then ,why tell me that prokaryotes can metamorphozied to an adult human ....
Experimentally,it's not proven !!then why should you & I believe that ...

A feotus & zygote of a human can only metamorphized to adult human ,even in cases of genetic mutations...
Now,science did not prove life processes to me...
Then I went to the book of Genesis ,to see how life started in the book.....
One,it provided an evidence to me that like actually begets like...
A sheep can only beget a sheep ! A human can only beget a human ! A cockroach can only beget a cockroach no matter how evolved the cockroach would be !
Even in 3.5 billions of years to come,a cockroach can only beget a cockroach !

Now,the puzzle of how human came is solved for me ; human were created & was not as a product of evolution some 4.5 billions of years ago !

Now ,more on time,the Bible made it clear that " in the beginning..... " hence,life & time must have being existing before the the world was created ?
Now,the question, what is that life ??....
Again,on the study of the Bible ,I was made to understand that the "life" before creation is ageless & timeless !
Oh,the "life" did not exist some 5.6 billions of years ago ....no,the "life" has existed without age & time .The "life" has no beginining & no ending....The "life " don't "evolve" from anything to to another ....
Then those that wrote the Bible,how would they have known that a being existed without age & time ?...where they there ?..no they were not there ..then how did then know ...they are PEN WRITERS !! ......
Can't the pen writers forge & write what they were never told ??...you MUST be found worthy ,Holy & Righteous before you're qualified as a pen writer of the words of the ageless & timeless Being...

Can't I fake it ?? He sees your heart & knowns your actions in & out !
Can't the ageless & timeless Being lie to human ? ...He respect His word more than His name .

Now,I think I can have a starting point of how life came to be....a supernatural being must have done that !
Something cannot just come out of nothing !
Their must be a designer of a design...

Now,how was the orderly earth & other heavenly bodies formed ?
Big bang ! Yea,big bang ! That cosmic event that mark the beginning of time & how the universe was formed ...
But ,I really want to study these big bang theory of how the universe was formed ...
Where did the gas came from that exploded to form the earth ?..don't tell me from nowhere !
How is that possible ?..are they talking about spontaneous generation that has being proven very wrong in biology ..yea, abiogenesis.

But the matters are non living...but it does support living things .... Yea,the big bang structured it so ! cheesy..


A huge explosion that structured the earth ,the planets & other heavenly structures the way they are Yes,it happened some 5.6 billions of years ago ! cheesy
And many more astrophysics "madness "...
Is that an evidence to me ? Certainly no ! And you ? ..I guess you will roll on the floor with laughter reading that....
A such a powerful explosion cannot produce an orderly & arranged heavenly bodies...that one rises in the day & another at night ! An explosion cannot make such process possible....

OK,let me try the Bible again...
I was meant to understand that the earth & the heavenly planets were CREATED !
They were just as a function of a powerful explosion..
And the moon & sun to set at night & day on our planet ? An ONLY orderly arranged work would have done that....
Who did it ,then ? In the Bible,I was meant to understand that an ageless & timeless Being did it ...
Am I that " gullible " ? ..maybe ,maybe not.
But it only confirmed my believe that a huge explosion can't just mark the creation of the universe ...The universe must have being a well thought out architectural masterpiece from someone that has the power to do that & create....and the Bible proved it so .

And lastly,my personal experience !

I think these is the fundamental part of why I strongly believe that there is a supernatural being that could influence ,& also have the power that natural science will never explain....

Is that an evidence ? No & yes !
No,to natural science that needs test & mere observations.....

Yes,to people that could "look ",but these time,with an open mind .It goes way beyond natural science that changes situation to fits a theory ...it goes beyond that.


It could not be an evidence to you,for me, I care less,you go ahead & live with your life....


Good night & do have a wonderful sleep....






Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 1:34am On Aug 08, 2018
budaatum:
You are indeed funny! You seriously give me laugh. You read all that scientific evidence, was not convinced one tiny bit, and decided Genesis is the correct answer, God done it, and you want to tell me even you can't see how absurd you are being? Lol!

Dear Glycolysis, I advise you to be very careful. You know when I said I was going to supernatural you? I actually changed it from "supernatural your head" so as not to scare you. I'm going to tell you what I meant.

I detected you were searching for knowledge. It's a good thing, especially if you are going to be a brilliant doctor. People who believe however, are not searching for anything. They already believe what they want to believe so why would they be searching for more knowledge? Surely, you know everything already. Or don't you believe?

I've presented you with two stories, and for some reason, you chose the simpler one. I bet it's the one drummed into you from birth. And that's good. So we shall leave it at that. You must keep believing. Never ever become one of those no-god supposedly bad behaving unbelieving no-Christ in their life atheists. If you do, you will go to hell!

Thank you for opening your mind, and for your time. I enjoyed the conversation. 'God' be with you if you ever have doubts.

Yea,ridiculously "funny",I am.
Sarcasm at best......on your part.
Same here,thanks for your time & inputs...

Off to go read some astrophysics " madness" wink

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Seun(m): 6:38am On Aug 08, 2018
Great conversation, guys.

Glycolysis:
But below ,is MY findings that there MUST be someone that has the power to make the world we live today....

MY EVIDENCE ;
There are three (3) things I have always wanted a SUBSTANTIAL answer(s) for in life ;

1-Time
2- How life ACTUALLY started &
3-The creation of the earth & other heavily bodies..
Please answer these two questions for me (apologies if already answered):
1) Will you drop your belief in God when science provides you with satisfactory answers to the 3 things you want answers to?
2) Let's say that you’re right about the existence of a Creator. How do you determine which religion worships the true Creator?

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Lirqur: 7:01am On Aug 08, 2018
Seun:
Great conversation, guys.


Please answer these two questions for me (apologies if already answered):
1) Will you drop your belief in God when science provides you with satisfactory answers to the 3 things you want answers to?
2) Let's say that you’re right about the existence of a Creator. How do you determine which religion worships the true Creator?

Islam worships the true creator. Islam is the most rational of beliefs.
Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 8:55am On Aug 08, 2018
ATHEISM simply means arguing to justify whatever you think is right from your own perspective whether others think so or not,and the ability to liberate your mental powers from external forces. In conclusion we can define Atheism as a faculty that's totally against MIND CONTROL, so that you can decide what is good and bad on your own without having to consider what ANY OTHER PERSON BE IT MAN OR GOD think or say! Genesis 2:16,17 Many atheists are now saying there is God or Gods but they're not going to allow such to control them in any way because "if there exists anything like God or Gods, they are the very Gods themselves" It's just what Satan implanted in Eve back then in the garden of Eden so don't be surprised that it's now manifesting fully in this endtime! Genesis 3:4,5 That is why the Bible is emphatic about THE SONS OR CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE! Ephesians 2:2,5:6

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Re: What Is Atheism? by frank317: 9:51am On Aug 08, 2018
TATIME:
ATHEISM simply means arguing to justify whatever you think is right from your own perspective whether others think so or not,and the ability to liberate your mental powers from external forces. In conclusion we can define Atheism as a faculty that's totally against MIND CONTROL, so that you can decide what is good and bad on your own without having to consider what ANY OTHER PERSON BE IT MAN OR GOD think or say! Genesis 2:16,17 Many atheists are now saying there is God or Gods but they're not going to allow such to control them in any way because "if there exists anything like God or Gods, they are the very Gods themselves" It's just what Satan implanted in Eve back then in the garden of Eden so don't be surprised that it's now manifesting fully in this endtime! Genesis 3:4,5 That is why the Bible is emphatic about THE SONS OR CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE! Ephesians 2:2,5:6

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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 10:41am On Aug 08, 2018
Seun:
Great conversation, guys.


Please answer these two questions for me (apologies if already answered):
1) Will you drop your belief in God when science provides you with satisfactory answers to the 3 things you want answers to?
2) Let's say that you’re right about the existence of a Creator. How do you determine which religion worships the true Creator?

Sorry,I should have included my fourth evidence in the headings earlier on ....which I did not write on ;

MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.......
Do I expect you to believe me ? No ..and I don't have problem with that.
..I grew up as a very stubborn child...and my parents & neighbors knows me for that .. I have being carrying the "bad boy" tag for a very long time...
Going to church ? That's the biggest problem I have with my mom..I HATE going to church.

I was not that a religious fellow,even till today ,I seldomly go to church....I just don't believe going to church will "save" me... I laugh at people who say,in nairaland,because I have being indoctrinated since my childhood,hence,I believe their is God ......
But something happened.... ..

I have always appreciated the science of evolution,variation & genetics..and cosmology..and also, I study the Bible ON MY OWN...
The whole evidence I have seen in the life sciences & astrophysics point me to a single situation ; uncertainty inthe findings ! It's a THEORY & could be subject to modifications when a BETTER discoveries are made .

Big Bang,for instance,is filled with flaws ,but is assume to be accepted as the theory of how the universe came to be ..till a better theory that has close to 90% accuracy is found . is that what i should believe ?.. Great,let the findings continue..

In my personal study of the Bible,I saw that if I could come back to the creator wholeheartedly & SEEK Him,I will find Him & He will show me great things I don't know...
I have always wanted to have a personal experience with these God . I don't want to believe people just telling me their is God ; I want to know Him myself !
First,I had to accept I was not "saved" in my present state... I wholeheartedly did that .
I was rude & arrogant, watches porn movies & masturbates to them. Which I acknowledged.
I went to our then chapel in school at night ,all alone...went to the altar,all I was saying is God forgive me & show me yourself...I want an experience with you..I don't just want to live in the believe that sciences have the solution to my quest.
Do you know what ??...ONLY MY BLOOD & MY CONSCIOUS CAN BEAR ME WITNESS TO THESE EVENT THAT HAPPENED LONG AGO IN MY LIFE ;
I felt a present ,not just a present,a present that my whole body was shivering ! I feel on the floor & wept like a baby .. I cried like ,I can't explain it...
My whole life just came in a flash to my eyes ; I was actually not "saved" ! ...I wept ,I wept & I wept .. I felt a powerful present ! It's no hallucinations !
After that day experience, my very self changed .
I became more interested in studying the Bible...
I stopped porns & masturbations I have always struggled with in life ...not of my own accords..I can't still explain how it happened till date..
My behaviour ? Classmates were shock .. When I went home,my mothers could not believe how I changed TOTALLY...Me ? I. could not believe these is me,Victor, of all people .
Though with time,I must admit, I could not continue to pray over & over again ....I couldn't continue to live according to the Bible principle..and with time ; I went back to my very old self again ,even till date . I won't lie about that...
But that singular experience, provided me with MORE evidence that there is a supernatural being that oversees human affairs ....

Will these hold as an evidence ? No,to you...what if I lied that I experienced what I did not experience ? You see why I said it's no evidence to you..but an evidence to me & my neighbors & classmates that witnessed a different Victor then....
Answer to your questions ;

1-If they ( science) could explain,SUBSTANTIALLY, the three things I always wanted & answers for & what happened to me that night at my school chapel that it was not as a supernatural being , I will TOTALLY drop my believe in a supernatural being .

2- my experience that night with a supernatural being made me understand certain things my brain cells would have never done & pointed with the right way to worship the Supernatural being I had an encounter with...

Here are they ;
-I, relationship with a true God must have an ability to change a human TOTALLY ! Ranging from their way of life & their interaction with her fellow persons..positively.

- 2, A relationship with the true God has the power to make you see how weak you are in trying to confront some personal issues in life..
-2,A relationship with the true God gives you an unmerited power over ALL human tendencies ; like sex,masturbations ,porns,gossip,cheating ,quest for power,hypocrisy ,pride,arrogancy & love for money !

If you see yourself under the influences of the above mentioned human tendencies, I beg you question the "God" you are serving.....

I think that's all I have to say from my personal experience that night & what followed within those short period of time....

As I said earlier on I don't mind you not believing me...
my quest & some of my questions about life has being getting to it "climax"...and that's all that matters to me.



Good morning...

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 11:29am On Aug 08, 2018
Glycolysis:

Yea,ridiculously "funny",I am.
Sarcasm at best......on your part.
Same here,thanks for your time & inputs...

Off to go read some astrophysics " madness" wink
I thought we agreed to not assume things about one another? You spent your time decently conversing with me with an engaged mind without being rude or insulting, and even apologised when I felt offended by you, so why should I be an ass and treat you undeservedly by being sarcastic?

Do not let that unevolved ape tell you what you should believe or think. You have a mind of your own so use it to consider the evidence before you instead of making, or having others make things up in your head. I might be an atheist but I still can recognise good behaviour, and pay it back in a deserving coin.

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Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 11:38am On Aug 08, 2018
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ATHEISM simply means arguing to justify whatever you think is right from your own perspective whether others think so or not,and the ability to liberate your mental powers from external forces. In conclusion we can define Atheism as a faculty that's totally against MIND CONTROL, so that you can decide what is good and bad on your own without having to consider what ANY OTHER PERSON BE IT MAN OR GOD think or say! Genesis 2:16,17 Many atheists are now saying there is God or Gods but they're not going to allow such to control them in any way because "if there exists anything like God or Gods, they are the very Gods themselves" It's just what Satan implanted in Eve back then in the garden of Eden so don't be surprised that it's now manifesting fully in this endtime! Genesis 3:4,5 That is why the Bible is emphatic about THE SONS OR CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE! Ephesians 2:2,5:6
Yes, lies. A person who says there is god or gods is not an atheist, for starts. So that's lie one. And an atheist, who accuses others of making claims there is no evidence for would hardly go about doing the same.

Seems you don't know anything about atheists. I advise that you to stop making things up to in your head!

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