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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Dalam0n: 6:19pm On Aug 27, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Put aside awhile "according to the person that wrote Exodus"
and let me again, put forward to you, these two questions, you steering clear of
1/ Do you accept Moses, at all, wrote?
2/ Do you accept that others, apart from the "according to the person that wrote Exodus", referred specifically, to what Moses wrote?

Moses according to the writer of Exodus wrote down things. That I accept. There are no "others" that said Moses wrote down anything that I am aware of.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by iammo(m): 6:26pm On Aug 27, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:


IT'S EASIER IF YOU ACCEPT THAT MOSES DIDN'T WRITE ANY OF THOSE STORIES.

JUST LIKE THE STORY OF A MASS MIGRATION FROM EGYPT WHICH NEVER HAPPENED, THE BIBLE IS JUST A COLLECTION OF RANDOM, UNVERIFIABLE, FABRICATED TALES THAT MOST LIKELY NEVER HAPPENED.

further investigation, to why religion was invented, isn't really about its truth or lies. scientifically you may be correct. as factually many things seems farfetched. but the reality is real or not, true or not, remove religion and watch the world and humanity go into serous crisis. this means almost 80% of humans that have their conscience built around heaven and hell, would stop having any form of fears, people who only psychological help they can get is a simple prayer and their faith, would loose that too.

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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by CAPSLOCKED: 6:27pm On Aug 27, 2018
Dalam0n:


If you are lost and need clarification just say it. My point to him was that Moses did not write any book inside the bible. Even the part you alluded to was not written by Moses, Moses was addressed as a 3rd person meaning the writer was narrating a story about Moses. Bottom line is that Moses did NOT write any of the 5 books attributed to his name( there are clear evidence from scholarship that show the books have many author) , even the boOK of Genesis was written by many different authors( scholars have provided many evidence to show for that). Moses did not claim authorship any where and he was addressed in the 3rd person narrative throughout meaning it was someone that wrote the story about him. Most of the events predated him by hundreds of years and others after he died. He wrote no book and never claimed to have written any.

WE'RE WASTING TIME HERE. THE BIBLE IS A COMPREHENSIVE DEFINITION OF PLAGIARISM. MOST OF ITS CONTENTS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED TO BE FROM EARLIER WORKS OF DIFFERENT AUTHORS FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES. MOSTLY FICTIONAL STORIES WITH NO SIGNIFICANCE OR VALUE IN THIS MODERN ERA. BUT SEE THE WAY THESE CLOWNS DEFEND THE SILLY BOOK WITH ALL THEIR MIGHT.
INDOCTRINATION IS TERRIBLE.

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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by MuttleyLaff: 6:33pm On Aug 27, 2018
Dalam0n:
Moses according to the writer of Exodus wrote down things. That I accept.
Phew! Prising that admission out of you was hard work on steroids.
Did I really had to retort to teasing out that reply out of you?
Was it really necessary to go to that length?

Dalam0n:
There are no "others" that said Moses wrote down anything that I am aware of
I rest my case. I am vindicated.
Need say no more except that
I am grateful to you for making public, your ignorance about not knowing about others that said Moses wrote down things
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Gmajor(m): 6:37pm On Aug 27, 2018
I remember watching a movie about this particular story.
In that movie lot and his family were in front while his men were behind. Lots wife had gone quite a distance and was on a hill when she looked back so, everyone saw her turn into salt
This was a Movie oh.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Dalam0n: 7:55pm On Aug 27, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Phew! Prising that admission out of you was hard work on steroids.
Did I really had to retort to teasing out that reply out of you?
Was it really necessary to go to that length?

I rest my case. I am vindicated.
Need say no more except that
I am grateful to you for making public, your ignorance about not knowing about others that said Moses wrote down things

I don't care about what others said, I care about what Moses said and so far there is NOTHING anywhere to show that he said he wrote any of the books attributed to him. So far the scholarly consensus says he did NOT write down the books attributed to him by tradition.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Demogorgon(m): 7:57pm On Aug 27, 2018
hopefulLandlord:


Hahahaha

if you're serious about being quoted then you should know you're on an internet forum where anyone can quote you. you have the right to ignore if you feel the quote is unwarranted but you can't prevent people quoting you
¤Smiles¤ Ok sir
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Dalam0n: 8:00pm On Aug 27, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:


WE'RE WASTING TIME HERE. THE BIBLE IS A COMPREHENSIVE DEFINITION OF PLAGIARISM. MOST OF ITS CONTENTS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED TO BE FROM EARLIER WORKS OF DIFFERENT AUTHORS FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES. MOSTLY FICTIONAL STORIES WITH NO SIGNIFICANCE OR VALUE IN THIS MODERN ERA. BUT SEE THE WAY THESE CLOWNS DEFEND THE SILLY BOOK WITH ALL THEIR MIGHT.
INDOCTRINATION IS TERRIBLE.

Indoctrination is very terrible indeed! If you have access to the manuscript written in its original language you'll see as Rabbi Boteach has shown that some passages in the Pentateuch were not even written in Hebrew but proto Hebrew which is a Canaanite language. These writings(first 5 books of the bible ) cover many centuries. Moses himself has not been established to be a historical figure. Many scholars say he is a mythical figure.

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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by MuttleyLaff: 8:39pm On Aug 27, 2018
Dalam0n:
I don't care about what others said,
I care about what Moses said and so far there is NOTHING anywhere to show that he said he wrote any of the books attributed to him.
So far the scholarly consensus says he did NOT write down the books attributed to him by tradition
I like you Dalam0n.
Better still, I actually, love you Dalam0n.
Do you know why?
It's because among other things, you always bring a smile to my face.

I can get you to care about what others said, if and when, I take the lid off to reveal to you that
1/ Jesus mentioned that Moses wrote things
2/ Apart from Jesus, even Philip found Nathanael and told him this:
"We have found the One, Moses wrote about in the Law, the One the prophets foretold"

3/ Aside Philip, some Sadducees came out, to publicly say Moses had wrote for them.
4/ Paul too on record, talked about how Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

Why care about what Moses said or left unsaid about authorship anyway?
Who "what Moses said or left unsaid" epp?

The undeniably fact firmly stands that Moses, wrote
Even if you want to argue that whatever Moses wrote is/was somewhat.

Even if you want to argue that whatever Moses wrote is/was somewhat.
He still wrote something and you cant rancorously take that away from him
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by BanevsJoker(m): 8:50pm On Aug 27, 2018
iammo:
Moses was the author of Genesis (verse containing the story), as well as Exodus, Book of Leviticus, Numbers and most of Book of Deuteronomy,
Moses was a prophet and that was why he could write about a story about Abraham's and lots generation, aprox 400 years before he was born. perhaps he got the inspiration to write that story, because nothing logical can explain his knowledge of the story
It was passed down from generation to generation by mouth. Moses only wrote it all down. The inspiration wasn't to magically know their history, but the inspiration to write it down, to preserve it.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by BanevsJoker(m): 8:51pm On Aug 27, 2018
hopefulLandlord:

"Stranger Things" have happened
Season 2?
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Dalam0n: 8:52pm On Aug 27, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
I like you Dalam0n.
Better still, I actually, love you Dalam0n.
Do you know why?
It's because among other things, you always bring a smile to my face.

I can get you to care about what others said, if and when, I take the lid off to reveal to you that
1/ Jesus mentioned that Moses wrote things
2/ Apart from Jesus, even Philip found Nathanael and told him this:
"We have found the One, Moses wrote about in the Law, the One the prophets foretold"

3/ Aside Philip, some Sadducees came out, to publicly say Moses had wrote for them
4/ Paul too on record, talked about how Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

Why care about what Moses said or left unsaid about authorship anyway?
Who "what Moses said or left unsaid" epp?
The undeniably fact firmly stands that Moses, wrote
Even if you want to argue that whatever Moses wrote is/was somewhat.
He still wrote something and you cant take that away from him

What did Moses write? Which book did he write inside the bible? Tell me. Let's start with Genesis. Did Moses write the book Genesis?

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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by hopefulLandlord: 8:53pm On Aug 27, 2018
BanevsJoker:
Season 2?
. You got the humour wink
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by iammo(m): 9:03pm On Aug 27, 2018
BanevsJoker:

It was passed down from generation to generation by mouth. Moses only wrote it all down. The inspiration wasn't to magically know their history, but the inspiration to write it down, to preserve it.
. I would have accepted your theory that it was a folklore, only problem is moses gave a vivid account living loopholes as to who told him a second person account in the case of lot's wife. Again moses was raised by an Egyptian woman, and a royal, he couldn't have been familiar with Israeli folklore as Israeli.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by BanevsJoker(m): 9:14pm On Aug 27, 2018
iammo:
. I would have accepted your theory that it was a folklore, only problem is moses gave a vivid account living loopholes as to who told him a second person account in the case of lot's wife. Again moses was raised by an Egyptian woman, and a royal, he couldn't have been familiar with Israeli folklore as Israeli.
Did you know everything you know today from personal experience? How to biographers get their stories? By interviewing the subject(s). There must have been a lot of conversations during the 40 years they spent wandering in the wilderness. Also, don't forget his Nanny was his own mother.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by BanevsJoker(m): 9:15pm On Aug 27, 2018
iammo:
. I would have accepted your theory that it was a folklore, only problem is moses gave a vivid account living loopholes as to who told him a second person account in the case of lot's wife. Again moses was raised by an Egyptian woman, and a royal, he couldn't have been familiar with Israeli folklore as Israeli.
I thought you were going to ask who Cain married to carry on Adam's bloodline.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by iammo(m): 9:18pm On Aug 27, 2018
BanevsJoker:

Did you know everything you know today from personal experience? How to biographers get their stories? By interviewing the subject(s). There must have been a lot of conversations during the 40 years they spent wandering in thr wilderness.

so in that case who looked back to know lot's wife became salt, after a direct order of not looking back was giving?
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by BanevsJoker(m): 9:22pm On Aug 27, 2018
iammo:


so in that case who looked back to know lot's wife became salt, after a direct order of not looking back was giving?
Guy, give it a rest. There are better questions to ask.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by iammo(m): 9:23pm On Aug 27, 2018
BanevsJoker:
Guy, give it a rest. There are better questions to ask.
. lol
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by MuttleyLaff: 9:28pm On Aug 27, 2018
Dalam0n:
What did Moses write?
Which book did he write inside the bible?
Tell me
And concerning the dead, that they rise:
have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke unto him, saying,
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
- Mark 12:26

Finally, Moses finished writing all the words of these teachings in a book.
- Deuteronomy 31:24

Then the priests and Levites were divided into their various divisions to serve at the Temple of God in Jerusalem,
as prescribed in the Book of Moses
- Ezra 6:18

Dalam0n, the undeniably fact, firmly stands, that, Moses, wrote.
The four examples I gave earlier above are others, you admitted to not knowing they said Moses wrote down things
You were only aware of "according to the person that wrote Exodus". Remember?

Dalam0n:
Let's start with Genesis.
Did Moses write the book Genesis?
The first book of Moses is called Genesis
and there is no basis to say Moses did not write the book Genesis
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Dalam0n: 10:17pm On Aug 27, 2018
cool
MuttleyLaff:
And concerning the dead, that they rise:
have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke unto him, saying,
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
- Mark 12:26

This is Mark( an unknown person by the way)clearly saying Nonsense. What is the book of Moses? Where is the Book of Moses? There is nothing like the book of Moses anywhere. This is someone making a claim. I am talking specifically about the books in the bible called genesis, exodus, numbers etc. Where did anybody say that Moses wrote them? Where is the evidence?



Finally, Moses finished writing all the words of these teachings in a book.
- Deuteronomy 31:24
As you can see clearly this is someone writing and telling you a story about Moses and claiming he wrote a book. He is even addressing Moses in the 3rd person. Who ever wrote Deuteronomy is NOT Moses. Someone is telling you a story about Moses as clearly stated here. MOSES DID NOT write Deuteronomy. Because you can see that someone is telling you a story about Moses and what he did. He is addressing Moses in the 3rd person. Clear evidence that Moses did NOT write Deuteronomy.


Then the priests and Levites were divided into their various divisions to serve at the Temple of God in Jerusalem,
as prescribed in the Book of Moses
- Ezra 6:18

Where is the Book of Moses? There is No book in the bible called the book of Moses. Ezra say Moses wrote the book of Moses not that Moses wrote Genesis, Exodus, Numbers etc.



Dalam0n, the undeniably fact, firmly stands, that, Moses, wrote.
The four examples I gave earlier above are others, you admitted to not knowing they said Moses wrote down things
You were only aware of "according to the person that wrote Exodus". Remember?

Moses wrote book of Moses they said, where is the book of Moses? The book of Moses is NOT genesis, it's not exodus or leviticus. I've shown you evidence from the booK of Exodus that Moses, did not write the book. Let me give you another clear example

Exo2: 11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

Exo 2:12 - And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

From this passage you can see clearly that Moses is addressed in the 3rd person narrative meaning that Someone is telling you a story about Moses. Moses did NOT write the book of exodus. This is someone clearly telling you a story about Moses.

After all even you clearly admit that "they" said Moses wrote down booKs and part of your examples of the "they" was Deuteronomy. Meaning you clearly admit that it was someone that wrote in Deuteronomy that Moses wrote a book and not that it was Moses that wrote the book of Deuteronomy.


The first book of Moses is called Genesis
and there is no basis to say Moses did not write the book Genesis

The first book of Moses is called Genesis according to who? Where did Moses claim authorship of the book of Genesis? IF you just picked up the book of Genesis without knowing who the author is how can you know that Moses wrote it? If you know anything about the book of Genesis you'll NOT be saying this NONSENSE YOU ARE SAYING. Moses was addressed in the 3rd person throughout the book of Exodus where his story first appeared in the bible show you that it is someone writing a story about Moses.

The scholarly consensus is the Moses did NOT write down those books. Tradition is what ascribe those books to him but he did not write them. He was always addressed in the 3rd person, and even where he was mentioned you'll clearly know that he wasn't the one that wrote but someone wrote and was telling a
a story about him.

You are yet to show me a single evidence that Moses wrote genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers etc. You clearly admitted that Moses did not write Deuteronomy.

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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Elevation(m): 11:01pm On Aug 27, 2018
God's wisdom is foolishness to the world, do not spend time explaining it, they wouldn't understand no matter how, only pray that the eyes of their understanding be opened.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by rex444(m): 11:07pm On Aug 27, 2018
Same thing with that cock that crowed when peter denied Jesus...... Abeg who get am
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by clumsydyna: 12:35am On Aug 28, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:
I HEARD THE PERSON THAT TURNED BACK AND OBSERVED HER YELLED "OGA LOT YOUR WIFE DON TURN TO SALT O" BEFORE TURNING TO A PILLAR OF PEPPER AND CRAYFISH.

NICE STORY. BUT THE BEST PART OF GENESIS 19 IS THE LAST PART, WHERE LOT'S VIRGIN DAUGHTERS GOT HIM DRUNK AND THEY HAD A THREESØME.

THOSE GIRLS WERE BADASS. THE REAL PÓRNSTARS!
Bros, the first daughter went in on the first day, then the second day the second daughter did same. It was never a threesõme according to my own Bible my dear.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by clumsydyna: 12:43am On Aug 28, 2018
Switup:
your comments corresponds to 2peter 1:20, 21. And then Numbers 23:19 backs it up
Numbers 23:19 does not speak about what is on ground my dear.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Mujtahida: 3:52am On Aug 28, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:


IT'S EASIER IF YOU ACCEPT THAT MOSES DIDN'T WRITE ANY OF THOSE STORIES.

JUST LIKE THE STORY OF A MASS MIGRATION FROM EGYPT WHICH NEVER HAPPENED, THE BIBLE IS JUST A COLLECTION OF RANDOM, UNVERIFIABLE, FABRICATED TALES THAT MOST LIKELY NEVER HAPPENED.
Hahahaha hahahaha. I'm glad to find out that someone too has read about the Exodus being a pure fiction.

Have you read the part of the Bible about David's fighting men? One man will kill 800 people with his hands. Hahahaha hahahaha. Who are the people currently running Hollywood? Jews! My point is no be today them start.
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by fabre4: 5:06am On Aug 28, 2018
Explorers:
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Stick to your interesting posts you don't need to look stupid after all the wonderful things you've done on this forum instead of trolling people and their faith enlighten them with new discoveries
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by hernandson(m): 7:38am On Aug 28, 2018
simple truth is that, let's remember that lot said she forgot something and wanted to go back, so definitely she was beside them, and surely there would be a struggle with her not to look back, so definitely they knew because it happened instantly
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by Nobody: 7:48am On Aug 28, 2018
iammo:


further investigation, to why religion was invented, isn't really about its truth or lies. scientifically you may be correct. as factually many things seems farfetched. but the reality is real or not, true or not, remove religion and watch the world and humanity go into serous crisis. this means almost 80% of humans that have their conscience built around heaven and hell, would stop having any form of fears, people who only psychological help they can get is a simple prayer and their faith, would loose that too.
but Japanese, Sweden and other irreligious states as well as our ancestors haven't /didn't exterminate themselves because there is no fear of heaven and hell
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by mhimi(m): 7:53am On Aug 28, 2018
Aldebaran:
It's either God told him grin

Or maybe Job saw it himself (he is a prophet) grin
Job??
Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:10am On Aug 28, 2018
clumsydyna:

Bros, the first daughter went in on the first day, then the second day the second daughter did same. It was never a threesõme according to my own Bible my dear.

LOGICALLY THIS STORY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. A COMPLETELY WASTED ALMOST LIFELESS MAN - JUDGING FROM HIS INABILITY TO REALIZE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE GOT SOBER - CANNOT GET TWO VIRGIN DAUGHTERS PREGNANT, UNLESS THIS STORY KEPT OUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S MORE THAN RECORDED.

A SEXUALLY ACTIVE AND SOBER MAN KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO "DEFLOWER AND IMPREGNATE" A PERSON. BUT AN OLD ALMOST DEAD LOT DID TWO, AND DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. *FACEPALM!

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Re: When Lot's Wife Turned Back And Became Pillar Of Salt, Who Turned To Confirm? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:18am On Aug 28, 2018
Mujtahida:

Hahahaha hahahaha. I'm glad to find out that someone too has read about the Exodus being a pure fiction.

Have you read the part of the Bible about David's fighting men? One man will kill 800 people with his hands. Hahahaha hahahaha. Who are the people currently running Hollywood? Jews! My point is no be today them start.

SAMSON KILLED 1,000 ABLE-BODIED MEN WITH A DONKEY'S JAWBONE IN JUDGES 15.

THESE STORIES WERE MEANT FOR PRE-MEDIEVAL AGE KIDS, BUT IT HAS GOTTEN TOO FAR AND OUT OF HAND.

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