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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 6:24am On Sep 25, 2018
Empiree:
Usermane,

perhaps there are "ahadith" these folks followed too that instructed them to carry out these acts in their traditional beliefs angry

I never said EVERY mischief in the Muslim world is due to Hadith.
But a lot of them owed to hadith and general interpretation of Islam(Ijma). And I have proved that over and over. So what is the point in these photos?

You're ass hurt because I call out the state oppression of individuals in the Muslim world, justified with sharia. Isn't that right?
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:18pm On Sep 25, 2018
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:27pm On Sep 25, 2018
usermane:


I never said EVERY mischief in the Muslim world is due to Hadith.
But a lot of them owed to hadith and general interpretation of Islam(Ijma). And I have proved that over and over. So what is the point in these photos?
Lol, I'm not talking about our Hadith in this context. I'm taking about "Hadith" (speeches) documented in their own books that instructed these barbaric treatments of Blacks. I hate the British till eternal. angry



You're ass hurt because I call out the state oppression of individuals in the Muslim world, justified with sharia. Isn't that right?
I'm not hurt one bit. I saw these pictures and i simply downloaded and posted them here because I remembered you at that moment.

My point is, since you like critisizing traditional Muslims historically, the reason I posted these pictures was to show you that they had barbaric historic moment, too. So I asked which documented speeches (tradition, in another word, hadith) they used or that instructed them to carry out these inhumane activities?. Isn't they're Bible?

Even at that, there is no physical evidence that muslims treated humans (similar way) as seen in these pictures. You only read "barbaric ahadith" (Muslim tradition) but there is no physical evidence that many of those instructions in the our Hadith were carried out.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 4:12pm On Sep 25, 2018
Empiree:


My point is, since you like critisizing traditional Muslims historically, the reason I posted these pictures was to show you that they had barbaric historic moment, too. So I asked which documented speeches (tradition, in another word, hadith) they used or that instructed them to carry out these inhumane activities?. Isn't they're Bible?

Their Bible? I highly doubt it. Unless I can find Bible passages condoning these.

Yes, there are some barbarity(aside maltreatment of blacks) that can be found in Bible & have been justification for crimes in the past.

But Christians have moved on. You rarely find Christians that want to kill apostates or stone adulterers.

Even at that, there is no physical evidence that muslims treated humans (similar way) as seen in these pictures. You only read "barbaric ahadith" (Muslim tradition) but there is no physical evidence that many of those instructions in the our Hadith were carried out.

I have covered some physical evidences in modern times. There are historical and contemporary examples.

2012
In Pakistan, a Christian couple were burnt to death in a kiln for allegedly dumping a copy of Qur'an with refuse. Still recall the Hadith of the blind man that killed his slave-wife?

1990s
In Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Farag Foda for blasphemy and apostasy.

To say there is no physical evidence that these Hadith were implemented is insensitive to all the victims in past and present.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:45pm On Sep 25, 2018
usermane:


Their Bible? I highly doubt it. Unless I can find Bible passages condoning these.

Yes, there are some barbarity(aside maltreatment of blacks) that can be found in Bible & have been justification for crimes in the past.

But Christians have moved on. You rarely find Christians that want to kill apostates or stone adulterers.
"moved on"?. Seriously bro?. Which world you live?. They moved on but the text still crystal clear blue black in their literature?. You are fantastic cheesy

I was gonna to show you 8 mins video the other day that was shot 10years ago in response to Pope Benedict 16's comments. The Christian guy tried to explain separation of church and state by saying Bible and Christianity can not be held responsible for crimes committed by CHRISTIAN politicians like GWB and Blair.

He said further that "on the other hand, you muslims said Islam is way of life and there is no separation of mosque and state. Therefore, whatever Muslims do, Islam and Qur'an muslims be held responsible. This is exactly what I tried to explain to you before.

So fine, this is the way it is. He tried to play smart but he forgot that when GWB invaded Iraq, there written on there on guns John 3:16 and they had bunch of Western pastors travelled to Iraq to preach Gospels to the point that a pastor preached to his congregation that "I think my God is good God but their (muslims) God is the devil." Apart from that, GWB said God told him to destroy Iraq. So tell me how they moved on, bro?. Average Christians don't have to involve in any of these acts. Their CHRISTIAN leaders are doing it for them unlike Muslims who don't have Central authority.

Do you get the picture yet?. So when I said there is no physical evidence that muslims did these barbaric acts you saw in these pictures, I'm taking about Muslim authority not average citizens. But in those pictures, those who carried out these evil acts were people in authority not average white CHRISTIANs. You understand?. So do you see clear difference in treatments btw Islamic authority and Christian authority?.



So I respectfully reject your idea that they moved on. Move on my foot. Look at attachments






2012
In Pakistan, a Christian couple were burnt to death in a kiln for allegedly dumping a copy of Qur'an with refuse. Still recall the Hadith of the blind man that killed his slave-wife?
Very simple. Was their act of disrespecting Sacred Book moral?. I bet you it is immoral.

You didn't indicate if this was extrajudicial killings but I believed it was. Therefore, was it justified for them to be killed in that manner without due process in court?. Answer is no.

Therefore, both sides are guilty. Only authority has the right to carry out execution. And if authority did, they would right to do that. But you would still blame that on "traditional muslims" forgetting that this is authority.

This is all I have to respond to

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:46pm On Sep 25, 2018
The Heck Is Wrong With These Women angry

Yes, they should be going to jail for false testimony.


Nonsense angry

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 6:15am On Sep 26, 2018
Empiree:
"moved on"?. Seriously bro?. Which world you live?. They moved on but the text still crystal clear blue black in their literature?. You are fantastic cheesy

So I respectfully reject your idea that they moved on. Move on my foot. Look at attachments

You can't reject my idea because you're witness to it. It's because they've moved on or are moving on that Muslims like you have been able to settle in their countries, practicing & propagating your faith while enjoining rights that citizens of Muslim countries can only dream of.

I was gonna to show you 8 mins video the other day that was shot 10years ago in response to Pope Benedict 16's comments. The Christian guy tried to explain separation of church and state by saying Bible and Christianity can not be held responsible for crimes committed by CHRISTIAN politicians like GWB and Blair.

He said further that "on the other hand, you muslims said Islam is way of life and there is no separation of mosque and state. Therefore, whatever Muslims do, Islam and Qur'an muslims be held responsible. This is exactly what I tried to explain to you before.

So fine, this is the way it is. He tried to play smart but he forgot that when GWB invaded Iraq, there written on there on guns John 3:16 and they had bunch of Western pastors travelled to Iraq to preach Gospels to the point that a pastor preached to his congregation that "I think my God is good God but their (muslims) God is the devil." Apart from that, GWB said God told him to destroy Iraq. So tell me how they moved on, bro?. Average Christians don't have to involve in any of these acts. Their CHRISTIAN leaders are doing it for them unlike Muslims who don't have Central authority.

Perhaps, we may still find traces of extremist Christianity here and there. But I have met too many American Christians that condemn the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. I have met those who regret the crusades in the middle ages, who condemn Israel.
Average Christians today don't recognize the authority of presidents in their religious affair.

But how many Muslims condemn the invasion of Persia and Byzantium empire by early Muslims? How many condemn the ISIS like take over of Saudi Arabia by Wahhabists few centuries ago? How many Muslims denounce Jihad by Islamic state?

Do you get the picture yet?. So when I said there is no physical evidence that muslims did these barbaric acts you saw in these pictures, I'm taking about Muslim authority not average citizens. But in those pictures, those who carried out these evil acts were people in authority not average white CHRISTIANs. You understand?. So do you see clear difference in treatments btw Islamic authority and Christian authority?.

You didn't cite the Hadith that motivated those Christian authorities to mistreat blacks.
If you call these authorities Christian authorities, you need to cite the Christian sahih Hadith that influenced them.

Very simple. Was their act of disrespecting Sacred Book moral?. I bet you it is immoral.

You didn't indicate if this was extrajudicial killings but I believed it was. Therefore, was it justified for them to be killed in that manner without due process in court?. Answer is no.

Their killing was extrajudicial. According to some Muslims, it's justified to kill a blasphemer without court approval, as long as there is clear evidence against the blasphemer. I keep reminding you of the Hadith of the blind man.

I remind you of Khomeini's fatwa against Salman Rushdie in 1988.

Therefore, both sides are guilty. Only authority has the right to carry out execution. And if authority did, they would right to do that. But you would still blame that on "traditional muslims" forgetting that this is authority.

I do not blame all traditional Muslims directly for every mess in Muslim states. Can you show me where I did that? What I generally blame traditional Muslims is ignorance and silence to the problem.

@underlined, this is the problem. Court has no right to do this. Please read Qur'an 4:140, 6:68-69.

You're indirectly saying Charlie Hebdo cartoonists deserve death. Which is the kind of mentality that motivated Charlie Hebdo shooters. Such a mentality is not common among Christians like it is among Muslims.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:28am On Sep 26, 2018
usermane:


You can't reject my idea because you're witness to it. It's because they've moved on or are moving on that Muslims like you have been able to settle in their countries, practicing & propagating your faith while enjoining rights that citizens of Muslim countries can only dream of.
how relevant this is?. There are muslim converts living in Iran and Saudi especially those American rappers and intellectuals. Likewise, there are CHRISTIANs there too. So why is this relevant?. People live anywhere now so long as they meet requirements. There may be limit to religious propagation in Saudi. This is heartland of Islam just like Vatican to Christianity. Simple, isn't?



Perhaps, we may still find traces of extremist Christianity here and there. But I have met too many American Christians that condemn the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. I have met those who regret the crusades in the middle ages, who condemn Israel.
Average Christians today don't recognize the authority of presidents in their religious affair
.

But how many Muslims condemn the invasion of Persia and Byzantium empire by early Muslims? How many condemn the ISIS like take over of Saudi Arabia by Wahhabists few centuries ago? How many Muslims denounce Jihad by Islamic state?
with picture I showed of John M., you still asked me if we condemned those idiots?. Isn't that picture speaks volume?. And so far as we speak, the percentage of CHRISTIANs who condemned highlighted part is below 40(%). You don't need to exerggerate you have met "too many american CHRISTIANs". We know that's sweet talk





You didn't cite the Hadith that motivated those Christian authorities to mistreat blacks.
If you call these authorities Christian authorities, you need to cite the Christian sahih Hadith that influenced them.
consult your Old Testament. You like searching for ahadith that suit you, why is this difficult to search?. Those pictures you saw are pictures of the British authority. Take it or leave it.



Their killing was extrajudicial. According to some Muslims, it's justified to kill a blasphemer without court approval, as long as there is clear evidence against the blasphemer. I keep reminding you of the Hadith of the blind man.
"according to some muslims". This is not evidence. It is Haram for average people to kill someone even if the alleged victims were guilty. Only court has the right to do that. Simple




I do not blame all traditional Muslims directly for every mess in Muslim states. Can you show me where I did that? What I generally blame traditional Muslims is ignorance and silence to the problem.

@underlined, this is the problem. Court has no right to do this. Please read Qur'an 4:140, 6:68-69.

You're indirectly saying Charlie Hebdo cartoonists deserve death. Which is the kind of mentality that motivated Charlie Hebdo shooters. Such a mentality is not common among Christians like it is among Muslims.
no, the ayat is talking about individual sense. Authority has the right to set law and punish offenders. Who cares about CHRISTIAN mentality. Majority of CHRISTIANS are now "religious atheists". If you know, you know cheesy

I'm sure by now hebdo would have preferred to be sent to jail than his current situation in the grave now because he's not finding it funny down there anymore. But I don't support his killing like rat.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:14pm On Sep 26, 2018
usermane:


You didn't cite the Hadith that motivated those Christian authorities to mistreat blacks.
If you call these authorities Christian authorities, you need to cite the Christian sahih Hadith that influenced them.
Don't forget this shocked shocked shocked

This is British.

This is one of their mutawwatir hadith grin

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 1:50pm On Sep 26, 2018
how relevant this is?

Since you said Christians haven't moved on, I wanted to show you that there is a reason why Muslims like you can at least settle in the Christian countries in 2018. You think this would've been possible a few centuries ago?

Oh, and Saudi Arabia is not the heartland of Islam. Makkah is the only site that qualifies for such a title. There were Christians and Jews all over Arabia even after Muhammad.

consult your Old Testament. You like
searching for ahadith that suit you, why is
this difficult to search?. Those pictures you
saw are pictures of the British authority.
Take it or leave it.

You're d one making the claims, so present the Hadith. I'm not a Christian and I know relatively little about their texts. Which is why I speak little about them. Christians have their issues but I believe Christian reformists are better fit to address them. So no need to feel victimized or picked on by my criticisms.

And so far as we speak, the percentage of CHRISTIANs who condemned highlighted part is below 40(%).

I'm not exaggerating. I'm speaking from experience. More and more Americans are coming out to condemn the war by US or Israel. There've been protests, condemnatory remarks by numerous organizations consisting of Christians.

I ask you again, how many Muslims condemn offensive jihad by legal Muslim state military?

"according to some muslims". This is not evidence. It is Haram for average people to
kill someone even if the alleged victims were
guilty. Only court has the right to do that.
Simple

Khomeini is not just some Muslim.

no, the ayat is talking about individual sense. Authority has the right to set law and punish offenders.

You have no proof for this. The individuals constitute the authority. The verses speaks directly to Muslims in general.

You commit blasphemy against Hinduism by slaughtering cows.
You commit blasphemy against Christianity by freely preaching Jesus is not Lord, even in Christian countries.

Humble yourself. If you feel your faith insulted, turn away. The most you can do is to admonish the blasphemers.

I'm sure by now hebdo would have preferred to be sent to jail than his current situation in the grave now because he's not finding it funny down there anymore. But I don't support his killing like rat.

Love how you confidently say this. Despite your traditions contain blasphemous depiction of Muhammad. Sex with a 9 years old kid. Pedophilia is pedophilia even in the 7th century. But yea, this is not blasphemy because Hadith narrators were Muslims.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 1:54pm On Sep 26, 2018
Empiree:
Don't forget this shocked shocked shocked

This is British.

This is one of their mutawwatir hadith grin

This is what you mean by Hadith? If I bring to you the statement for jihad by a military commander of Muslims in the WW1, will you treat it as Hadith?
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:14pm On Sep 26, 2018
F
usermane:


This is what you mean by Hadith? If I bring to you the statement for jihad by a military commander of Muslims in the WW1, will you treat it as Hadith?

isn't your position clear where you stand now?. When I brought this up you have nothing to say but this?. I brought picture of John M. posing with terrorists but you said nothing. If these things don't ring bell to you, then, what's the point of having convos with ya, humm
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 2:30pm On Sep 26, 2018
Empiree:
F isn't your position clear where you stand now?. When I brought this up you have nothing to say but this?. I brought picture of John M. posing with terrorists but you said nothing. If these things don't ring bell to you, then, what's the point of having convos with ya, humm

John M is not new to me. If you read my thread on Trump Muslim ban, you'll see that I realize the secret role of Western government agents in fueling wars in the middle east.

It was for that reason, I refuse Muslims or any peacemaker from settling in those countries because they inevitably contribute to wars. But you jumped in to oppose me. Because, beyond this constant victimhood narrative on your part, you and many Muslims only pay lip service to the plight of those victims of "Christian Jihad" in the middle east.

Yet am not bias enough to think western Christians generally approve the role of their own countries militaries in these wars, especially in 2018.

I ask again, how many Muslims condemn offensive Jihad by Islamic States?
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:51pm On Sep 26, 2018
usermane:


John M is not new to me. If you read my thread on Trump Muslim ban, you'll see that I realize the secret role of Western government agents in fueling wars in the middle east.

It was for that reason, I refuse Muslims or any peacemaker from settling in those countries because they inevitably contribute to wars. But you jumped in to oppose me. Because, beyond this constant victimhood narrative on your part, you and many Muslims only pay lip service to the plight of those victims of "Christian Jihad" in the middle east.

Yet am not bias enough to think western Christians generally approve the role of their own countries militaries in these wars.
Case closed. You have recognized facts. Therefore, I see no reason you bashing "traditional muslims". See underlined, I understood you perfectly. Unfortunately, i don't see that happening for obvious reasons. It is like mix of rice and gari. How the heck you gonna separate that?. It will take forever but it is not impossible. And I guess this is what you mean by peacemaker right?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5xyYW0Q_qk

Well, those amongst them who left Western hemisphere are mostly in trouble with govt.

But if you wanna keep quoting hadith to justify what Muslims do, which in reality, most muslims don't. It is the same as Christian literature while many of them may not engaged in questionable acts but doesn't vindicate them as long as they have those violent speeches in their books just like Muslim do.

You wanna reform?. Reform yourself first by accepting the Sunnah of the messages(saw).
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 3:16pm On Sep 26, 2018
Therefore, I see no reason you bashing
"traditional muslims".

Show me where I bashed traditional Muslims. Please show me. I task myself with criticizing sharia and Hadith. I may cite practical application of such Hadith by Muslims but I never accuse all Muslims of desiring their application.

I guess this is what you mean by peacemaker right?

Yes.

You wanna reform?. Reform yourself first by accepting the Sunnah of the messages

I'm already striving to reform by following his sunnah(Qur'an). You who cannot even condemn your doctrine of offensive military jihad is the one that need reform.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:28pm On Sep 26, 2018
usermane:


Show me where I bashed traditional Muslims. Please show me. I task myself with criticizing sharia and Hadith. I may cite practical application of such Hadith by Muslims but I never accuse all Muslims of desiring their application.
you did until I clamped you. I can see how you now try to say "it is not all traditional Muslims". Good to hear




I'm already striving to reform by following his sunnah(Qur'an). You who cannot even condemn your doctrine of offensive military jihad is the one that need reform.
I'm sure I did in the past on this platform. Maybe not with you but someone else. And no, you aren't following Sunnah yet but I will give you benefit of the doubt.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 4:04pm On Sep 26, 2018
Empiree:
you did until I clamped you. I can see how you now try to say "it is not all traditional Muslims". Good to hear

You have no proof. Depending on the subject, I might use the word; some, few or most. I never use the word; all.
Sometimes I just say "traditional Muslims", but I don't expect readers to assume I mean all Muslims.

The truth is you're unhappy that I criticize your ideology and so have accused me of many things like "seeking to please Christians, overlooking transgression of Christian West, demonizing Muslims, Dajjal etc."


I'm sure I did in the past on this platform. Maybe not with you but someone else. And no, you aren't following Sunnah yet but I will give you benefit of the doubt.

You never did in the past. And I highly doubt you can. Know why? Because you'll end up disapproving the actions of the "sahabas". And you do not disapprove the sahabas, do you? No. They're too perfect for that.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:12pm On Sep 26, 2018
usermane:


You have no proof. Depending on the subject, I might use the word; some, few or most. I never use the word; all.
Sometimes I just say "traditional Muslims", but I don't expect readers to assume I mean all Muslims.

The truth is you're unhappy that I criticize your ideology and so have accused me of many things like "seeking to please Christians, overlooking transgression of Christian West, demonizing Muslims, Dajjal etc."
Aren't you grin




You never did in the past. And I highly doubt you can. Know why? Because you'll end up disapproving the actions of the "sahabas". And you do not disapprove the sahabas, do you? No. They're too perfect for that.
my only critisms are around Ottoman and yazidi.

As for sahaba, nope.

Since Allah has praised them, and well pleased with them, then, I have no objection. You can say what you want. They fought so that you can have Islam today and make salat in peace without non-Muslims shutting you up.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 4:36pm On Sep 26, 2018
Empiree:


my only critisms are around Ottoman and yazidi.

As for sahaba, nope.

Since Allah has praised them, and well pleased with them, then, I have no objection.

Please read these verses; 9:97-110. To know the different kinds of sahabas that surrounded Muhammad. God is well pleased with anyone who do good, and promise them paradise. But this does not imply they remain infallible till death.

You can say what you want. They fought so that you can have Islam today and make salat in peace without non-Muslims shutting you up.

Oh, I must thank them for bringing Islam to me. And must overlook the lives their jihad cost.

With or without their effort, Qur'an confirms that Islam will reach the people. No need to go initiate war with neighboring countries.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:09pm On Sep 26, 2018
usermane:


Please read these verses; 9:97-110. To know the different kinds of sahabas that surrounded Muhammad. God is well pleased with anyone who do good, and promise them paradise. But this does not imply they remain infallible till death.
I don't dispute this. But did prophet muhammad (saw) identified those "sahaba" to you?. If not, then, correct principle is that anyone who saw the him(saw) in his lifetime and believed in him (saw) and accepted him (saw) was sahaba. Therefore, it is incumbent upon you to accept them all by saying after their mentions (rodiyaAllah anihu). By doing this, you show respect for Allah and Quran you claimed to believe in. You are not necessarily respecting the sahaba. Allah only informed Muhammad (saw) for his safety and security purposes. It has nothing to do with us.


This is where I disagree with Shia. Again, since Nabi(saw) did not tell you who those hypocrites were, it is not your responsibility to sick your nose there. Eauah said Allah knows those hypocrites. And He will deal with them on that Day.



Oh, I must thank them for bringing Islam to me. And must overlook the lives their jihad cost.
Go ahead and undo the did grin



[quoteWith or without their effort, Qur'an confirms that Islam will reach the people. No need to go initiate war with neighboring countries.


[/quote] Islam teaches people by whatever means. There is a Hadith report which says that Allah enforces His religion by means of wicked people.

You will be doing yourself disservice if you read this hadith wrong. When I first read the Hadith some 6yrs ago, GWB and Blair came to mind. Why?.

Because I watched a short YouTube clip of 2 Asians who embraced Islam after 9/11. The title of the video was "Thank You George Bush". In the interview they said they never heard of anything called Islam until GWB collapsed his towers and went to Iraq. They said all they could hear on the news was Islam this. Islam that. The religion so violent like this must be practiced by just only couple of idiots.

Upon further researches they realized the religion actually attracted over a billion people. This made them think twice and they studied Islam and accepted it.

This is the way I understood the hadith. Instead of saying the Hadith promotes violence as some may think. So wickedness of BlairBush bright Islam to those guys.. Buten, this not the only way. There are many ways Islam reaches people.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:02pm On Sep 26, 2018
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:50am On Sep 27, 2018
Can any history teacher explain this ...!!!

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress 1846.

John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.

John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.

Both their wives lost a child while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Now it gets really weird.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.

Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.

Both were succeeded by Southerners

The successors of both Presidents are named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.

Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.

Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.

Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Ford."

Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln" made by "Ford."

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

And here's the "kicker":

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.

A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.

AND...................:

Lincoln was shot in a theater and the assassin ran to a warehouse...

Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and the assassin ran to a theatre...

Worth sharing...
Its incredible.�
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by EmmGee: 1:12pm On Sep 27, 2018
I need help. i need someone to talk to.

It's not financial, it is spiritual. I'm knee deep in addiction. i don't want to say which because i know it's nto good to publicise sins. but i just need someone to help me. I'm frustrated and I'm losing hope. please brothers someone should help me. through a Pm.

salam alaykum
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:06am On Oct 01, 2018
*Deeply Saddening:*


While in London, I went to visit, one of the exhibition entitled: "Introduction to Islam". This exhibition was attended by a Da'ee, who was already living there. He told us the following story :

A Scottish man came and wandered around the exhibition. He greeted me and we spoke for a while. I then asked him if there was anything he wanted to know about Islam.



He said: 'no, no thanks. I don't like the theory that we are used to hearing. You see, I have lived among you in several Arab 'Muslim' countries for many years, and I read a lot about Islam; I know a great deal about Islam!


So I asked him: "what do you know about Islam?"


He said: "Islam is a beautiful, fascinating religion that organises relationships with others, Muslim or non-muslim alike. Islam is a religion that teaches you how to worship your lord in a clear manner, how to treat your parents, your wife, your children, your neighbours, and the community in general, etc. UNFORTUNATELY your actions do the exact opposite of what you claim, because:


@you lie;
@you swear falsely;
@you steal;
@you don't respect time;
@you slander each other;
@ you are chaotic, you don't like organisation;
@ you belittle each other;
@ you are racist;
@ you wrongly take each others wealth;
@ you are not concerned with cleanliness;
@ you respect the rich and humiliate the poor;
@you are envious of each other;
@you take laws into your hands hiding under religion;
@you slander one another;
@you are good in concocting stories to slander whoever you hate and vice versa;
@ show me one of you here who will not rejoice at the travail of the other;
@majority of you don't even understand the religion you claim to belong;
@those you blindly follow in your sect you take them as next to God and those of other sects are seen as worse than satan;
@ the laws in your lands are applicable to some, but not to others!


Then he said: "oh I'm sorry, you look disturbed? "


I said to him: "take what is in the book, forget the conduct of the individuals".


He shook his head and said:

"You're wasting your time and money by running these exhibitions, for perhaps we know you better than you know yourselves!! When most of you don't go by the books, of what use are the books to me?

"Go back to your magnificent book, implement the principles and manners contained therein, and when you perfect the implementation, you will find the nations entering your religion in droves, without the need for exhibitions like this. We are people who are more interested in visible results, in reality as opposed to what is read in a book."


I became dumb founded!!! A non Muslim has said it all in just a few words!!!



Share it to all. MUSLIMS
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by BeansAndBread(m): 8:21pm On Oct 02, 2018
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:20pm On Oct 03, 2018
DEDICATE THIS TO AL-HAJ, Dr Sulaiman Adebola Adegunwa


The Untold fabulous Story Of a Secret Ijebu Billionaire
Net worth: $8.2 billion

The story of renowned business mogul, Dr Sulaiman Adebola Adegunwa, a man who came from a fraction of ijebu kingdom called Ososa ijebu OG


NG AF with :-

Latitudes 6,79457 &

Longitude 3,85599 and

Population & approx.; of 6, 302



Invariably elevated to town of reckons. His journey can be linked to the proverbial "Rags to Riches". He never ceases to be amazing while simultaneously striving to reach new heights. He lost his father @ teen age and learned photography from Honesty photo that was a native of his hometown , his work force since the tender age when he hawk (dried fish) for her Mother and when he started his career remains. 0n Dec.21st 1963 at Ebute metta Lagos was an inception his private photo Shop called “Bola Oguns Photo” that led to Tura , Kodak film etc and with the grace of God, he stepped up his game and became a big player in photography business in late 70s.


A man who always act with precision rose to become a big importer of photographic equipment . As a young millionaire he veer into other areas of investment. Today his irrefutable Alliance and Partnership as stakeholder in foreign Investment has merited him a Captain Of Business , while several companies in Nigeria and sub regions at his custody. His also a Founder of Ess-ay Holdings Limited, chairman of Photo Palace LTD, Prints Speciality LTD , Top Communication LTD., Atlantic Insurance LTD , Thai Farm International LTD , Marina International Bank Plc. Director of Sterling Bank Plc .From Dec.22, 2005 until July 2014. Director of Magnum Trust Bank Plc. He is Founder Sulaimon College of Education, just to mention few.


The stylish and deeply religious man has built many Mosques to his credit in both Local and Sub regions and also positively touched in many lives Secretly for decades, his a philanthropist who dislike Fame. Dr S.A Adegunwa has been in front line during lifetime of the late Theatre icon, Hubert Ogunde, of blessed memory and other notable Ijebu indegene as a result of positive roles in Ososa Ijebu development & its environs, perhaps, big mosque he single handed built (home town ) in late 70s cannot be compromised. His indisputable touches in Nigeria Schools, colleges; and Universities that fetched him member (OFR) Order of Federal Republic. ln 2006, he was conferred with a national honour of the Officer of the order of Nigeria (OON) by chief Olusegun Obasanjo. His past achievements prime him for a better prospect and harbinger of businesses.


The Living Legend life cannot be completed without his shortcoming version and his bigotry lifestyle & Personal Choices. Though his a dignified introvert who cherished his space, more reserved , conscious and meticulous. Since Great men are always Love and Hated, but the business Tycoon find his middle Ground by place the name of Ososa Ijebu in lime light of fast indigenous growing industry in Africa.. The multi million dollar business " Rite Foods Limited" – Managed by Adegunwa Junior (Selim) producers of Bigi sausage roll beverages established in his home town to lift Ososa indigene and Ijebu general out of quagmire of poverty. Also to re-activate more cordial passion among his people. His is an accomplished businessman who contributed his quotas immensely to its development in Nigeria. As an experienced entrepreneur, his values and an exemplary life, which is a source of inspiration for future industrialists. He treasures without any inhibition, love, integrity and hard-work as values


At 70+, the business magnate still vibrant, ,quick-witted, sharp , focussed as a prodigy in his teens. His a model of tenacity of purpose and resilience, which have remained his benchmark. Strong, and courageous, he has never for once reduced the urge to strive higher for a much larger business conglomerate. Dr S A. Adegunwa has perfected the art of working silently and letting his achievements speak for him, but then, success is a gold fish that has no hiding place. He has succeeded in getting his name written in gold. Thus at all timed he remaining an invaluable giant. Dr S.A that proven the worth of his business experience. His a man of impeccable ability, outstanding influence and a man desirous of uprightness “. Attested by HRH Dr Sikiru Adetona .



God Bless Him more and Ijebu kingdom
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:52pm On Oct 03, 2018
May Allah preserve Alhaji Sulaimon Adegunwa. I benefited from his school. His Arabic school was free. He hired qualified Ustaz. I remembered like it was yesterday. No students paid a Kobo.


This was my 3rd Islamic education but my first professional Islamic studies. This was in Ososa, Ijebu where I studied figh as a minor. This was where I held my first and last Mawlud Nabi where I learned the conversion story of Sayyidina Umar ibn Khattab (ra). It was a stage play and I played "Alfa" who taught Fatima(daughter) and Saheed, son in law of Umar(ra).

This play was witnessed by dignitaries including founder of the school himself, Dr. Adegunwa. During Ramadan, his workers brought fresh bananas and fruits. He treated his students with respect. How I wish those days continue.


Across the street from ílè keu, Dr. Sulaimon built college of Arabic and Islamic studies and institution with extra curricular activities like soccer. My God, I played the heck out soccer back then. I can still remember all my Ustaz. The senior ones: Ustaz Murtadha, Ustaz Imam (ilorin), Ustaz Ismail (very handsome man), Ustaz Dhikrullah aka Arogunmasa cheesy. He's called by this nickname due to his physique. But Ustaz Murtadha would mocked him by calling him "árógúnsáló grin. Also Ustaz Badr, Ustaz Monsur (God, this man was so strict. We would take weeks before we moved on from Arabic alphabet because he wanted to make sure we had the right tarweed. He's short with full beard and light dark glasses, and he would beat the holy crap out of us if we failed tajweed).

Junior ones I don't know much about them (due to my one year absence) except one I remembered, Ustaz Hakeem. This is the one who asked me and my brother how did my sheikh do it? Lol grin

Dr. Sulaimon Adegunwa also built a duplex very close to ile keu to accommodate those Ustaz that came from distance. Basically, Ustaz Arogunmasa, Ustaz ismail and Alhaja. I don't remember Alhaja's name.

When our driver came late to pick up, these Ustaz would accommodate us sometimes till night. We had dinner there. Those days was love 100%. I remembered in 1992 during lecture and a news came that Alfa agba, waliy Olohun, As-Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory (ra) passed away. They stopped classes and all Ustaz said they had to go to Lagos to pay their respect.

They were his students which means I am sheikh Adam's student by proxy. I truly missed them now and I don't know where all of them are. If they are still alive, may Allah preserve them and cause us to meet again to see their boy now grown. Whoever passed to a great beyond amongst them, may Allah make their teachings and knowledge that I gained from them means of sadaqah jariyah. Amin

LadunaI

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by LadunaI(m): 9:50am On Oct 04, 2018
^^^
Amin. What a wonderful man, and truthful company to be with.

We pray we get more of such men in Islam Amin.

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:42pm On Oct 05, 2018
NEVER Curse Your Children!!! With Adamu Usman

ANGRY MOM'S DU'A MADE ME IMAAM OF HARAM'

Shaykh Al-Kalbaani, former Imaam of the Ka'bah, at a conference in London was telling us this story:

When he was young, he was a very naughty boy. He would make his mother angry. But his mother, Allah bless her, was a very righteous woman and she knew the power of Du'a.

She made it her habit that, in her anger at him, she would say this Du'a: "May Allah guide YOU! And make you the IMAAM of the Ka'bah!"

Imaam Al-Kalbani told us, "so Allah answered her du'a and I went on to become the Imam of the Ka'bah!"

Allahu Akbar!

Shaykh Adil Kalbani is black, and the son of a poor immigrant from the Persian Gulf. In an interview with NYTimes, Shaykh Kalbani said,

"Leading prayers at the Grand Mosque is an extraordinary honor, usually reserved for pure-blooded Arabs from the Saudi heartland."

He was taken aback when he came to know that King Abdullah had chosen him as the first black Imaam of Masjid al-Haram (in recent times), he added. Masha Allah!

Dont curse your children when they misbehave..it might backfire! I know of someone who told her son to 'go die', & regretted it later when he passed away the same day. Subhaan Allah!

Watch your words dear parents. Make it a habit to utter good du'as for them...Yup, even when you're angry with them!!

The Messenger of Allah (salAllahu alayhi wasallam) said,

"Three supplications will not be rejected (by Allah Subhaan wa Ta'ala), the supplication of the parent for his child, the supplication of the one who is fasting, and the supplication of the traveler." [al-Bayhaqi, Tirmidhi - Saheeh].

I ask Allah to increase His blessings to the one who forwards this message to others. Oh Allah, make it beneficial for his or her Intercession on the Day of Judgement
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:45pm On Oct 05, 2018
Indeed

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:31pm On Oct 05, 2018
Rahimohullah

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:23am On Oct 06, 2018

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