Empiree:

You have made wrong allegation against me. Kindly quote me where i said @highlited please?.



Far as i know, this is what i said

I know that's what you said. But what you said is not reality. In Iran or Saudi, hijab and forced business dismissal for salat is not limited to Muslims, it is enforced on everyone(with very little exception for foreign non-Muslim rulers on visit).
Like the Chess tournament sometimes ago in Iran where Female chess player from India refused to participate because Iranian authorities insist on headcoverings for all women. Search on Google.

Now, you must pardon my venting, as it seem to have sunk you into trolling, taunting and gloating as you do with Christians and atheists in Religion section.

But my venting post was suppose to be my final response to you, so I unleashed my mind without holding anything back, for that last post. I do not desire to reply you anytime soon as you've proved now to be an avid opponent of human rights and freedom.

I wish you the best and hope that you sincerely, see the errors of your ways.

And please, grow up. Taunting is for kids.

Peace.

usermane:


I know that's what you said. But what you said is not reality. In Iran or Saudi, hijab and forced business dismissal for salat is not limited to Muslims, it is enforced on everyone(with very little exception for foreign non-Muslim rulers on visit).
Like the Chess tournament sometimes ago in Iran where Female chess player from India refused to participate because Iranian authorities insist on headcoverings for all women. Search on Google.

Now, you must pardon my venting, as it seem to have sunk you into trolling, taunting and gloating as you do with Christians and atheists in Religion section.

But my venting post was suppose to be my final response to you, so I unleashed my mind without holding anything back, for that last post. I do not desire to reply you anytime soon as you've proved now to be an avid opponent of human rights and freedom.

I wish you the best and hope that you sincerely, see the errors of your ways.

And please, grow up. Taunting is for kids.

Peace.

Alright, you have no evidence against me. Case Closed. Next time, do not allow your ego to take charge.

Peace With You Too

Interesting

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Refutation Of King Adeyeye Enitan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TjtkUhxK8

Empiree:
Yoruba muslims and Christians must take not of this fake king, especially muslims. Islam has nothing to do with Yoruba religion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjFuRQhb48k


Read video discriptions

Lets put aside the compound rubbish of Ooni.

Yoruba as a race, where did we originated? There is absolutely no scientific evidence for the claim that it was in Ife. What is proven so far is that human origin starts in East Africa. Could be where Yoruba emanate?


The reason why I put this forth is that possibility of Ifa to have been in existence for long is high. And there is a chapter in it which the readers used to confirm that it talks about the coming of E'esa (Jawesun) and later the holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his purified household.

Yoruba religion is not totally idolatry. I am of the believe that it was later polluted just like other religion. Therefore, there is a possibility that Yoruba (or wherever we emanated from) had their sent Prophet(s).

Today, you can still feel part of Tawheed in their religion. Even Messengerhood. And of course day of judgment. And it encourage good deeds etc.

Empiree:
Refutation Of King Adeyeye Enitan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TjtkUhxK8

His questions are not philosophical. And his replies are not convincing. He talks more with emotion.

AlBaqir:


His questions are not philosophical. And his replies are not convincing. He talks more with emotion.

His message, from my understanding, was to create awareness. He wanted prominent Muslim scholars in Yorubaland to refute the king

AlBaqir:


Lets put aside the compound rubbish of Ooni.

Yoruba as a race, where did we originated? There is absolutely no scientific evidence for the claim that it was in Ife. What is proven so far is that human origin starts in East Africa. Could be where Yoruba emanate?


The reason why I put this forth is that possibility of Ifa to have been in existence for long is high. And there is a chapter in it which the readers used to confirm that it talks about the coming of E'esa (Jawesun) and later the holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his purified household.

Yoruba religion is not totally idolatry. I am of the believe that it was later polluted just like other religion. Therefore, there is a possibility that Yoruba (or wherever we emanated from) had their sent Prophet(s).

Today, you can still feel part of Tawheed in their religion. Even Messengerhood. And of course day of judgment. And it encourage good deeds etc.

Yea, talking about ifa, it did speak about coming of Nabi Muhammad (saw). But all these oduduwa, obatala etc have compromised their religion.

I don't know where they got all that from. I believe those things were images made of woods later raised to level of deities.

Now, Yoruba religion, even though it was tawhid and later corrupted, it is badly corrupted to the point of no return. The best position is to eradicate it and only stick to fair cultural aspect like cultural dances, Aló apamó atí apagbe etc. No festivals like Oro, Osun, egungun, agemo, Eyò etc all these are Yoruba religions and we condemn these.

Interestingly, I just watched a newly released video by other oba Rasheed of Iwo few mins ago. He's calling all oba to turn away from ébó/égbé. He said because Obas are involved in these things was the reason for rituals activities and kidnappers along political line.

Saheed Shittu replied Oni Of Ife

This gotta be some funny stuff


Oni deserves it

I was hearing "ogun oshoshi" first time by kabiyesi


Is like christian guy who debated Mallam Yusuf Adepoju. He said Quran ordered muslims to build church in his yoruba language he said Quran so pe ke ko shoshi. Mallam Yusuf asked for reference and he said sura "Ko shoshi" He was referring to Surah Qasas


Orisirisi

Empiree:
Yea, talking about ifa, it did speak about coming of Nabi Muhammad (saw). But all these oduduwa, obatala etc have compromised their religion.

I don't know where they got all that from. I believe those things were images made of woods later raised to level of deities.

Now, Yoruba religion, even though it was tawhid and later corrupted, it is badly corrupted to the point of no return. The best position is to eradicate it and only stick to fair cultural aspect like cultural dances, Aló apamó atí apagbe etc. No festivals like Oro, Osun, egungun, agemo, Eyò etc all these are Yoruba religions and we condemn these.

Interestingly, I just watched a newly released video by other oba Rasheed of Iwo few mins ago. He's calling all oba to turn away from ébó/égbé. He said because Obas are involved in these things was the reason for rituals activities and kidnappers along political line.

# First, according to scientific research, Yoruba, ibo emanated from eastern part of Africa. But when exactly is what is not clear. Of course that region is believed to have been where origin of man begun. Likewise, there is a possibility that was where "Yoruba religion" also came from. Naturally man migrates with his ideas and beliefs.

# Second, Yoruba claimed that ile ife is the "source" of mankind. Unfortunately there is no single fossil record to that effect. What Ife boast of is "òpá oranmiya" which they believe is brought by Oduduwa. According to them, the òpá when its age was estimated dated millions of years
That is yet to be recorded in any world known scientific research record. Besides, what is the reality of Oduduwa, Orunmila, obatala etc. Their reality or fossil record will help determine and estimated their arrival record to that region.

Interestingly, every tribe, community etc has her own story, folklore etc pertaining to the creation of the world. For now, the only standard verification we have is scientific method via fossil records.


Third, the Oduduwa, Obatala, Orunmila etc were probably human beings who were unique in one way or the other. And of course, after their death, they were probably immortalized and made demideities over the time.

From Ibrahim to Musa to Dawud to Sulayman to E'esa etc, there was 1000s of years, we expect stories to have been corrupt. The fact that there was no written record. You only keep record from mouth to ears stories. Thats why biblical stories different from Quranic account in many areas. And Quran style is narratives rather than detailed stories. In short history books are filled with lies. Imagine a community (like Yoruba) with no concrete record?!


Have you not heard that Queen Balqees kingdom was in Ijebu? It is believed that was from where ifrit (or whatever the name of that Jinn was) brought her throne within twinkling of an eye. It could be true and it could be false. Tracing historical location has always been the most problematic research today. New land and water formed over the years making a once upon a time "small world" expands. Earthquake, landslide etc enveloped and buried other historical locations making it almost non-existent in history.

Really our best bet today is scientific method and approach to verify theories and claims.

Empiree:
His message, from my understanding, was to create awareness. He wanted prominent Muslim scholars in Yorubaland to refute the king

Too much insults. Lack of intellectual argument. I think it's high time for the Yoruba Muslims (especially scholars) to put down Yoruba claims in written record, research on them and refute. Muslims we see things too often with the eyes of "Quran and hadith". Unfortunately none of them is history or scientific book.

Sometimes, one historical figure could have different status as per time and location. Look at the case of Dhul Qur'nayn. Who was he and what was his region where ruled? Alexander the great was said to be a likely figure to mature him. Other possibilities were also stated. Even Alexander the great, his ideas and beliefs were also brought into scrutiny.

AlBaqir:


Too much insults. Lack of intellectual argument. I think it's high time for the Yoruba Muslims (especially scholars) to put down Yoruba claims in written record, research on them and refute. Muslims we see things too often with the eyes of "Quran and hadith". Unfortunately none of them is history or scientific book.

This would be responsibility of Yoruba altogether. Problem is, Yoruba tradition rarely made reference to Islam and all their evidences were only base on oral tradition. Written traditions could only be found in small cities like ijebu-ode etc but that's now cultural than Yoruba religion. Some Alfas tried due to Ayah of Quran which says Allah sent prophets to every nation. Which means they explored Yoruba Odu ifa, they found traces of our Prophet (saw) therein just as we found evidence of him(saw) in Tawrah, Injil and Hindu book. Oni however should have made a little effort to reach out to Muslim scholars before making such unguarded statement on national TV. I am sure there are people like Baba Elebuibon who would disagree with Oni because what his claimed was never heard of. He may be conspiracy as well. Meaning, there may be people trying to promote orisha religion.

AlBaqir:



# First, according to scientific research, Yoruba, ibo emanated from eastern part of Africa. But when exactly is what is not clear. Of course that region is believed to have been where origin of man begun. Likewise, there is a possibility that was where "Yoruba religion" also came from. Naturally man migrates with his ideas and beliefs.

I don't think Igbo would agree with this

# Second, Yoruba claimed that ile ife is the "source" of mankind. Unfortunately there is no single fossil record to that effect. What Ife boast of is "òpá oranmiya" which they believe is brought by Oduduwa. According to them, the òpá when its age was estimated dated millions of years
That is yet to be recorded in any world known scientific research record. Besides, what is the reality of Oduduwa, Orunmila, obatala etc. Their reality or fossil record will help determine and estimated their arrival record to that region.

Honestly, i was never proud of this unconfirmed historical account. Never for once talked about it outside.

Interestingly, every tribe, community etc has her own story, folklore etc pertaining to the creation of the world. For now, the only standard verification we have is scientific method via fossil records.

Yoruba was bad at keeping record.

Third, the Oduduwa, Obatala, Orunmila etc were probably human beings who were unique in one way or the other. And of course, after their death, they were probably immortalized and made demideities over the time.

possible. We have no choice but to use Islamic standards to rectify this mess.

Have you not heard that Queen Balqees kingdom was in Ijebu? It is believed that was from where ifrit (or whatever the name of that Jinn was) brought her throne within twinkling of an eye. It could be true and it could be false. Tracing historical location has always been the most problematic research today. New land and water formed over the years making a once upon a time "small world" expands. Earthquake, landslide etc enveloped and buried other historical locations making it almost non-existent in history.

Really our best bet today is scientific method and approach to verify theories and claims.

lol, yes. At Oke ERI, ijebu. Although where she died didn't really matter. It could be possible she didn't die in the Middle East territory just because she belonged there. Some believe the tomb is not hers but just another pious person.

AlBaqir:



# First, according to scientific research, Yoruba, ibo emanated from eastern part of Africa. But when exactly is what is not clear. Of course that region is believed to have been where origin of man begun. Likewise, there is a possibility that was where "Yoruba religion" also came from. Naturally man migrates with his ideas and beliefs.

# Second, Yoruba claimed that ile ife is the "source" of mankind. Unfortunately there is no single fossil record to that effect. What Ife boast of is "òpá oranmiya" which they believe is brought by Oduduwa. According to them, the òpá when its age was estimated dated millions of years
That is yet to be recorded in any world known scientific research record. Besides, what is the reality of Oduduwa, Orunmila, obatala etc. Their reality or fossil record will help determine and estimated their arrival record to that region.

Interestingly, every tribe, community etc has her own story, folklore etc pertaining to the creation of the world. For now, the only standard verification we have is scientific method via fossil records.


Third, the Oduduwa, Obatala, Orunmila etc were probably human beings who were unique in one way or the other. And of course, after their death, they were probably immortalized and made demideities over the time.

From Ibrahim to Musa to Dawud to Sulayman to E'esa etc, there was 1000s of years, we expect stories to have been corrupt. The fact that there was no written record. You only keep record from mouth to ears stories. Thats why biblical stories different from Quranic account in many areas. And Quran style is narratives rather than detailed stories. In short history books are filled with lies. Imagine a community (like Yoruba) with no concrete record?!


Have you not heard that Queen Balqees kingdom was in Ijebu? It is believed that was from where ifrit (or whatever the name of that Jinn was) brought her throne within twinkling of an eye. It could be true and it could be false. Tracing historical location has always been the most problematic research today. New land and water formed over the years making a once upon a time "small world" expands. Earthquake, landslide etc enveloped and buried other historical locations making it almost non-existent in history.

Really our best bet today is scientific method and approach to verify theories and claims.

I am sorry I have to quote you in this section, vaxx. Maybe you can read some materials here

vaxx:
if you need a first hand evidence.......go straight to ife....it is not hidden. ...


Documenting it does not solidify it.

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Help a brother

Response To Ooni Of Ife


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3sItKTs35A&t=3559s

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This is Khashoggi

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I don't understand her messange

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I guess she means he deserves what he got, many people are not ok online

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That's crazy. Even if he encouraged what she alleged, did he have to be executed by extrajudicial means?. Whats court stands for?. Besides, that would be US responsibility since he was Green Card holder. What Saudi authority did was similar to Israel killing Palestinian official in another country on false premise.

Former British Prime Minister, Tony Blair's sister in law

China needs to set piority right

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[sub][/sub]".... They (Saudi) have been helping us with respect to Israeli. They have been funding a lot of things" Trump

Smh



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWyH8TEl9E

"...they (the Saudis)'ve been helping us a lot with respect to Israel" - Trump

When I told you the Saudi regime will do anything to protect their cobwebs fitnah throne. We know their origin is Jewish, and we know they've been working secretly with Israel a long time. That was Trump confirming it. You can imagine how the Palestinian will continue to be murdered, and the Muslim world in disarray. The fact that the Saudi house of fitnah had been politically structured by the West to be the "leader" of the Muslim world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEwwsdLZsNs

I am a Muslim and I want to say here that the Muslims of the whole world are struggling due to the lack of unity among them. Things happening in the Muslim world are not in favor of Muslims. What do you people think about the present status of the Muslim world?

Kuanku:
I am a Muslim and I want to say here that the Muslims of the whole world are struggling due to the lack of unity among them. Things happening in the Muslim world are not in favor of Muslims. What do you people think about the present status of the Muslim world?

As far as I am concerned, I pray at any masjid. I don't argue or debate religion beyond NL. When they start talking about aqeeda or bidiah, I keep mute until I leave. I have no time for silly argument.

And if they build mosques, they should do so All In One. package. That is, prayer station, counseling for muslims about their affairs including jobs, health facility, book and clothing store, recreation, school (as seen in the third and fourth pictures), restaurant or halal food court.

They have resources to do these but they prefer building masajid base on aqeeda differences. Well, I guess this disunity was meant to happen. And many times, primary problem is IKLAS. Many do things without iklas these days.

A guy named Robert attacked Jewish synagogue on Saturday in Pittsburgh, PA killing 11 people.


Clearly he killed for Jesus

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