This is a place for those who pray in tongues and intend to, to discuss their prayer life and use their prayer tool in some joint intercessions.

What can you say about your prayer life at the moment.

What keeps you longer in the place of prayer?

Dibnim 4:1-4
1. Work more and pray less. And if it is possible, work all and do not pray at all. Because working without prayers can achieve the best of results, but praying without working shall lead you nowhere.
2. For it is effort that works and not mere wishes called prayers.
3. A good nation has more industries than prayer houses but a bad nation is filled with prayer houses with only a few industries.
4. Thinking and working in line with the best of thoughts achieve results and this is the tool of the wise, but praying and fasting is a sheer waste of time.

Actually this is a thread for spiritual warfare. Other things may be dealt with elsewhere. It is for those who know what prayer means and believe the efficacy of prayer or at least would want to know.

Brokay2908:
This is a place for those who pray in tongues and intend to, to discuss their prayer life and use their prayer tool in some joint intercessions.

tongue is a very power weapon of warfare. I Now sing in tongues more, instead of singing wit understanding

Brokay2908:
This is a place for those who pray in tongues
and intend to, to discuss their prayer life and use their prayer tool in some joint intercessions.

What is "pray in tongues"?

oyeludef:
tongue is a very power weapon of warfare.

What tongue is it that, is a very power weapon of warfare?

oyeludef:
Now sing in tongues more instead of singing wit understanding

Please what are you referring to with a comment like this?

MuttleyLaff:
What is "pray in tongues"?

What tongue is it that, is a very power weapon of warfare?

Please what are you referring to with a comment like this?

if u do not understand did, it probably isn't meant for you. There are many threads you may find interesting on dis forum. U r in d wrong place

oyeludef:
if u do not understand did, it probably isn't meant for you.

If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you probably don't understand what you think this is, that's meant for you.

oyeludef:
There are many threads you may find interesting on dis forum.
U r in d wrong place

Oh come on now oyeludef, you can't possibly be pulling this tired and old unoriginal line

If asked, I'll admit that I found your comment to be in amongst the top list of the most ignorant statement a poster can make.
It made me cringe, as it reeked of a bad unbearable stench of arrogance and conceit.

I dont understand why.
Did you in that manner, type it that way, to magnify your own importance?

Listen oyeludef, a common mistake regularly made by others with viewpoint similar to yours
is not seeing that this forum is a place of learning

I know I am in the right place
and so why not, just scrawl these next below two lines down somewhere or store them somewhere in your mind:
Truth never decreases by being shared.
A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

MuttleyLaff:
If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you probably don't understand what you think this is, that's meant for you.

Oh come on now oyeludef, you can't possibly be pulling this tired and old unoriginal line

If asked, I'll admit that I found your comment to be in amongst the top list of the most ignorant statement a poster can make.
It made me cringe, as it reeked of a bad unbearable stench of arrogance and conceit.

I dont understand why.
Did you in that manner, type it that way, to magnify your own importance?

Listen oyeludef, a common mistake regularly made by others with viewpoint similar to yours
is not seeing that this forum is a place of learning

I know I am in the right place
and so why not, just scrawl these next below two lines down somewhere or store them somewhere in your mind:
Truth never decreases by being shared.
A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

it is going to be a waste of time explaining to you. U might probably be one of nairaland atheist who feel dey are intelligent just because dey don't believe in God. Why r u so interested in what u don't even believe in? This thread was never created to convince u in d first place but for those who have the experience of speaking in tongues and not for unnecessary debates. If u want to debate, I let u win already.

oyeludef:
it is going to be a waste of time explaining to you.

If it is only just one, it will be worth the effort.
Show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

oyeludef:
U might probably be one of nairaland atheist who feel dey are intelligent just because dey don't believe in God.
Why r u so interested in what u don't even believe in?
This thread was never created to convince u in d first place
but for those who have the experience of speaking in tongues and not for unnecessary debates.

I didnt ask nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, as facts speak for themselves

oyeludef:
If u want to debate, I let u win already

I am not bound to win,
but I am bound to the truth and be true

MuttleyLaff:
If it is only just one, it will be worth the effort.
Show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I didnt ask nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, as facts speak for themselves

I am not bound to win,
but I am bound to the truth and be true

OK, if u really are sincere about wanting to know about tongues, I will take you through the scriptures from old and new testament where tongues appear. I will b back

oyeludef:
OK, if u really are sincere about wanting to know about tongues,
I will take you through the scriptures from old and new testament where tongues appear.
I will b back

Thank you.
Very much appreciated.

oyeludef:
tongue is a very power weapon of warfare. I Now sing in tongues more, instead of singing wit understanding

Good to hear your testimony, bro. I pray more people understand, receive and use this great tool of spiritual communion the more.

MuttleyLaff:
What is "pray in tongues"?

What tongue is it that, is a very power weapon of warfare?

Please what are you referring to with a comment like this?

I hope you have seen someone speaking in tongues before. That is what it looks like.

I believe you have also read about the incidence that happened on the day of Pentecost to the followers of Christ after Jesus had risen.

Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Jesus had initially told His disciples about it before He left the earth physically.

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

So, the pentecost experience was the first experience recorded in the Bible and up till today, people still get filled in the Holy Ghost and speak with other tongues.

However, you can desire to speak it more and more and engage in it so often that you speak it effortlessly whenever you want to pray and can even sing in tongues, as "oyeludef" has said

Hear what Apostle Paul said concerning his own life of prayer

1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Praying in tongues helps in so many other ways spiritually but I will just share one now.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

It is indeed a great blessing to pray in tongues.

Brokay2908:
I hope you have seen someone speaking in tongues before. That is what it looks like.

I believe you have also read about the incidence that happened on the day of Pentecost to the followers of Christ after Jesus had risen.

Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Jesus had initially told His disciples about it before He left the earth physically.

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

So, the pentecost experience was the first experience recorded in the Bible and up till today, people still get filled in the Holy Ghost and speak with other tongues.

However, you can desire to speak it more and more and engage in it so often that you speak it effortlessly whenever you want to pray and can even sing in touches, as "oyeludef" has said

Hear what Apostle Paul said concerning his own life of prayer

1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Praying in tongues helps in so many other ways spiritually but I will just share one now.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

It is indeed a blessing to pray in tongues.

I am grateful to you for your response
but I don't see praying in tongues in Romans 8:26
Groanings which cannot be spoken, is only what I see in Romans 8:26.

Something isn't adding up.

It's okay, whatever you think it refers to. In fact, most of the benefits of praying/speaking in tongues can only be testified to by those that are engaging in it. Perhaps, I will share some of my experiences soon.

The world goes about enjoying their carnality. Aren't Christians, who are born of the spirit meant to enjoy their spirituality? Yes, they are.

Ephesians 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

That says something about singing in tongues

Good afternoon mr muttleylaff. Am sorry i actually misunderstood you initially that was why I replied u in dat manner, thinking you were one of those atheists always out to derail Christian threads with arguments but like I promised, I am going to share some scriptures with you.

Firstly, words are the tools for creating in our words, the bible tells us that God framed everything with the words of his mouth. Our dominion as human is tied the use of our tongues. We were created in the image of God.
The Bible account recorded in Genesis was written in Hebrew but Hebrew couldn't have existed before the tower of Babel. Men before this time had the ability to communicate with animals, they could speak to God too like in the garden of eden.

1.Eve could speak to a serpent,

2. Noah could talk to animals to enter the ark and even send the raven and dove on errand after the flood. Mans ability was almost limitless when they still had their original tongue until God confused the language at d tower of babel. Every language on earth today is corrupt and degraded and very limited. There was not word like aeroplane before it was invented, but the realm of the spirit is the realm of absolute knowledge, if God comes to speak to you in your local dialect he has to limit himself and the message he is passing across.

3. In the book of Daniel, we also saw another expression of the tongues of God when God wrote on the wall "mene mene tekel upharsin".. The writing was not a writing of man as non of the kings scientist or astrologer could interpret it.

4. In Mark 16:16 Jesus gave tongues to be one of the sign for believers in him

5. When the Holy spirit descended on the day of Pentecost, in Cornelius house, on the disciples of john the Baptist Paul laid hands on, speaking in tongues was a consistent sign of the baptism of the Holy spirit.

6. Paul the apostle said he spoke more in tongues than anyone of his time and most of what we know about tongues in d new testament was written by him, little wonder he had such access into the mystery of God that even Peter testified in his own epistle, of the depth of Paul's writing. Paul mentioned tongues of men and tongues of angels, whc other apostle had such depth of revelation? He was caught us to the third heaven and heard stuff that are not permitted to be uttered in this realm.

7.Paul said speaking in tongues edifices the spirit, he also listed it as one of the weapons of warfare in the book of Ephesians " praying always with all prayers and supplication in the spirit "

8. Jude said one of the ways of building faith is through praying in the Holy spirit " building up ursef in the most holy faith, praying in the Holy ghost"

On and on like that. Why do u think God gives ppl the ability to speak in tongues wen they get baptized in the holy spirit? Is it to just feel good? That is the gateway to the supernatural. Ever since I got a grasp of this truth, it has been an awesome discovery for my spiritual life.

Brokay2908:

Good to hear your testimony, bro. I pray more people understand, receive and use this great tool of spiritual communion the more.

yes sir. Speaking in tongues is very refreshing for the soul and empowering for the spirit

oyeludef:
Good afternoon mr muttleylaff.
Am sorry i actually misunderstood you initially that was why I replied u in dat manner,
thinking you were one of those atheists always out to derail Christian threads with arguments
but like I promised, I am going to share some scriptures with you.

Its OK oyeludef,
after all is said and done, we are still human, we are still work in progress

oyeludef:
Firstly, words are the tools for creating in our words, the bible tells us that God framed everything with the words of his mouth. Our dominion as human is tied the use of our tongues. We were created in the image of God.
The Bible account recorded in Genesis was written in Hebrew but Hebrew couldn't have existed before the tower of Babel.
Men before this time had the ability to communicate with animals, they could speak to God too like in the garden of eden.

1.Eve could speak to a serpent,

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oyeludef:
2. Noah could talk to animals to enter the ark and even send the raven and dove on errand after the flood. Mans ability was almost limitless when they still had their original tongue until God confused the language at d tower of babel. Every language on earth today is corrupt and degraded and very limited. There was not word like aeroplane before it was invented, but the realm of the spirit is the realm of absolute knowledge, if God comes to speak to you in your local dialect he has to limit himself and the message he is passing across.

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oyeludef:
3. In the book of Daniel, we also saw another expression of the tongues of God when God wrote on the wall "mene mene tekel upharsin"..
The writing was not a writing of man as non of the kings scientist or astrologer could interpret it.

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The writing was a writing of man.
It is the significance of the three words in the writing that was not understood and thereby prompted urgent interpretation

oyeludef:
4. In Mark 16:16 Jesus gave tongues to be one of the sign for believers in him

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I think you meant to type Mark 16:16-17, instead of only and just typing Mark 16:16
If it were me, in order to get the full import, I rather would have started quoting from Mark 16:14-17,
By the way oyeludef, speaking in tongues is a sign for unbelievers

1 Corinthians 14:22 even supports this, when it says:
"So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers."

There is more to this Jesus comment and why speaking in tongues happened in the only 3 recorded occassions

oyeludef:
5. When the Holy spirit descended on the day of Pentecost, in Cornelius house, on the disciples of john the Baptist Paul laid hands on, speaking in tongues was a consistent sign of the baptism of the Holy spirit

For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occassions it happened?

oyeludef:
6. Paul the apostle said he spoke more in tongues than anyone of his time
and most of what we know about tongues in d new testament was written by him,
little wonder he had such access into the mystery of God that even Peter testified in his own epistle, of the depth of Paul's writing

I agree without demur that Paul the apostle said he spoke more in languages than anyone in that audience he made that remark

oyeludef:
Paul mentioned tongues of men and tongues of angels, whc other apostle had such depth of revelation?
He was caught us to the third heaven and heard stuff that are not permitted to be uttered in this realm.

oyeludef, does this statement"
"if I have a million dollars but do not have love ..."
mean, I've got a million dollars?

oyeludef:
7. Paul said speaking in tongues edifices the spirit,
he also listed it as one of the weapons of warfare in the book of Ephesians
"praying always with all prayers and supplication in the spirit "

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Paul said speaking in tongues edifices the body and not edifices the spirit

oyeludef:
8. Jude said one of the ways of building faith is through praying in the Holy spirit
"building up ursef in the most holy faith, praying in the Holy ghost"

What are examples of "praying in the Holy ghost"

oyeludef:
Why do u think God gives ppl the ability to speak in tongues wen they get baptized in the holy spirit?
Is it to just feel good? That is the gateway to the supernatural.
Ever since I got a grasp of this truth, it has been an awesome discovery for my spiritual life.

Very good question but why?

1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
2) Do you know why, it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible?
3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible?
4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible, who, it was aimed at or meant for?
5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities)
5b) What to your undestanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means?
5c) What is "pray in tongues"?

¹³Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
¹⁴For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
¹⁵What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will
- 1 Corinthians 14:13–17

6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about?
7) Now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above
8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays, my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b)
9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above

²⁷If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
²⁸But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
- 1 Corinthians 14:27–28

10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above,
do churches also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these?

MuttleyLaff:
Its OK oyeludef,
after all is said and done, we are still human, we are still work in progress

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The writing was a writing of man.
It is the significance of the three words in the writing that was not understood and thereby prompted urgent interpretation

5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

6 Then the king's countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another.

7 The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom.

8 Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.

9 Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied.

10 Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed:

11 There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;

12 Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation. note note note

13 Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Jewry?

14 I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee.

15 And now the wise men, the astrologers, have been brought in before me, that they should read this writing, and make known unto me the interpretation thereof: but they could not shew the interpretation of the thing:

16 And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom.

17 Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.

18 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour:

19 And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down.

20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

21 And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.

22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this;

23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lord

I hope you saw that no one could even read the writing much less interpret it?

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I think you meant to type Mark 16:16-17, instead of only and just typing Mark 16:16
If it were me, in order to get the full import, I rather would have started quoting from Mark 16:14-17,
By the way oyeludef, speaking in tongues is a sign for unbelievers

you spotted the error in d reference already but you got the portion DAT is what is more important.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Tongue is not a sign for unbelievers but prophecy except tongue backed up by an additional gift of interpretation wch equals prophecy

1 Corinthians 14:22 even supports this, when it says:
"So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers."

do not stop there, read further to understand what Paul was saying.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

There is more to this Jesus comment and why speaking in tongues happened in the only 3 recorded occassions

For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occassions it happened? apart from the first reference wch is on the day of Pentecost, there were no unbelievers in the other two references cos the household of Cornelius believed first before they were even given the gift. Same with the johns disciples in d other reference. They already believed in Jesus but had never heard of the Holy ghost. The day Paul told them about the experience, that was the same day they received and the sign of speaking in tongues was consistent as usual.

I agree without demur that Paul the apostle said he spoke more in languages than anyone in that audience he made that remark

oyeludef, does this statement"
"if I have a million dollars but do not have love ..."
mean, I've got a million dollars?

love is a fruit of the spirit but speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit. The fruits are more important than the gifts but non should be despised. It is called a gift because it is not merited but given to empower you to perform effectively your assignment in the kingdom of God and the fruits of the spirit reflects the personality of Jesus Christ in a believer. Power is important for being witnesses hence Jesus made his disciples tarry till they were endued with power before setting out to carry out the great commission.

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Paul said speaking in tongues edifices the body and not edifices the spirit

1 cor 14:4.. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
"Himself " .man himself is a spirit.

What are examples of "praying in the Holy ghost"

praying in the spirit as the Holy spirit gives utterance and praying in tongues is the same thing 1cor 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Very good question but why?

1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
2) Do you know why, it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible?
3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible?
4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible, who, it was aimed at or meant for?
5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities)
5b) What to your undestanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means?
5c) What is "pray in tongues"?

¹³Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
¹⁴For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
¹⁵What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will
- 1 Corinthians 14:13–17

6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about?
7) Now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above
8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays, my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b)
9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above

²⁷If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
²⁸But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
- 1 Corinthians 14:27–28

10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above,
do churches also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these?

I am not for a theological argument sir. I just gave you the portion of scriptures to back up speaking in tongues like u requested. It will become a back and forth debate wch will typically get us no where but invade u wanna learn more on the subject matter, u can get Kenneth hagin and Myles Munroe's books on the Holy spirit. Thank you sir. I love you sir. May God guide us all into his truth

oyeludef:
OK, if u really are sincere about wanting to know about tongues, I will take you through the scriptures from old and new testament where tongues appear. I will b back

Please ignore that atheist. Don't let him use you to derail this topic, he is really on arraignment.

We have passed the stage of arguing whether God exist or not because we already have the witness in ourselves. We have passed the stage of arguing whether we can pray in tongues or not because we already have the witness in ourselves. Surely, there is no need for us arguing with anyone on what purposes the tongues can or cannot be used for because we that have the witness in ourselves already know that.

I have also noticed that praying in tongues sharpen our spiritual gifts as well. And I think the reason why this is so is because when you speak in tongues, you are engaging the Holy Spirit in utterance. The more the Holy Spirit is engaged, the more His gifts/workings are energized for expression.

A liitle about my experience.

I sought the baptism of Holy Spirit for some years before I eventually got the experience. After I got the experience, all I could say was just like two words. I kept on using opportunity of spiritual meetings to exercise myself in it and my "vocabulary" began to expand. Later, I could initiate it almost any time I want to pray - once I ask for spiritual utterance as the spirit wills, I launch into it. I use it to spend more time in prayer as well because I don't know what more to keep saying in understanding.

Speaking in tongues keep us in communion with God. It brings spiritual edification because words keep flowing out of our spirit man. There is also a divine energy that comes with such spiritual utterance.

Brokay2908:
We have passed the stage of arguing whether God exist or not because we already have the witness in ourselves. We have passed the stage of arguing whether we can pray in tongues or not because we already have the witness in ourselves. Surely, there is no need for us arguing with anyone on what purposes the tongues can or cannot be used for because we that have the witness in ourselves already know that.

I have also noticed that praying in tongues sharpen our spiritual gifts as well. And I think the reason why this is so is because when you speak in tongues, you are engaging the Holy Spirit in utterance. The more the Holy Spirit is engaged, the more His gifts/workings are energized for expression.

yeah.I personally av given up in the argument and ain't going any further. Tongue is a wonderful gift, so many Christians have this gift but despise it not knowing it is what launches us into a greater dimension of the supernatural. I don't think anyone that doesn't speak in tongues often can manifest the gifts of the spirit effectively. Its one of the greatest gift to a believer for personal communion. We can share helpful materials for the benefit of other people who believe in this gift. Oral Robert, ken hagin,Benny hin etc have materials on this topic

Yes, let's know about some materials on this topic

oyeludef:
yeah.I personally av given up in the argument and ain't going any further. Tongue is a wonderful gift, so many Christians have this gift but despise it not knowing it is what launches us into a greater dimension of the supernatural. I don't think anyone that doesn't speak in tongues often can manifest the gifts of the spirit effectively. Its one of the greatest gift to a believer for personal communion. We can share helpful materials for the benefit of other people who believe in this gift. Oral Robert, ken hagin,Benny hin etc have materials on this topic

Yeah speaking in tongue (other human language you are not familiar with)is a wonderful gift, not the kind we practice today.

Speaking what is not interpreatable.

Here is a great video on this topic I found on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNsCINQKi_E&t=1899s

oyeludef:
⁵In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.
⁶ Then the king's countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another.
⁷ The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom.
⁸ Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.
⁹ Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied.
¹⁰ Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed:
¹¹ There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;
¹² Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation. note note note
¹³Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Jewry?
¹⁴I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee.
¹⁵ And now the wise men, the astrologers, have been brought in before me, that they should read this writing, and make known unto me the interpretation thereof: but they could not shew the interpretation of the thing:
¹⁶ And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom.

¹⁷ Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.
¹⁸ O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour:
¹⁹ And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down.
²⁰ But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:
²¹ And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.
²² And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this;
²³ But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lord
I hope you saw that no one could even read the writing much less interpret it?

No one from the mediums, Chaldeans, and diviners (i.e. the wise men of Babylon) could read talkess interpet the writing
It is, no one from his wise men that couldnt (i.e. refer to Daniel 5:15)

oyeludef, if you could be typing in this manner
as in, from not knowing why the wise men of Babylon could not read the writing nor understand,
I begin to wonder, what more are you unaware of

As I earlier pointed out, the writing was a writing from man's.
In actual fact, the writing was written in Aramaic

The three words in "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin" are known Aramaic names, of measures of currency
Mene, is a mina and from the root meaning "to count/number"
Tekel, is a spelling of shekel and from the root meaning "to weigh"
Upharsin, is peres, half a mina and from the root meaning "to divide"

It is the significance of the three words in the writing that was not understood and thereby prompted urgent interpretation

The subject of the passive voice/writing is the king, who is being "counted/numbered, weighed, divided"

The interpretation based on those passive verbs corresponding to the measure names; "numbered, weighed, divided" is that:
The king's days are counted, to be found numbered.
remember mene was repeated twice, this meant numbered and finished numbering it.
Further on, the king was measured/weighed and found wanting,
so the king's kingdom is to divided and taken away from him

So, oyeludef, the writing was in Aramaic, and there is more to this information but I will stop with only this much.

oyeludef:
you spotted the error in d reference already but you got the portion DAT is what is more important.

Shows that I do the Bereans, as I carefully and thoughfully read every word in everything you type
and that's how I managed to spot the slip in the reference you made
I wish you be similarly attentive and thoughtful to each of what I post too

oyeludef:
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

This verse you're talking about here, was culminated fulfilled in Acts 2:4-11
oyeludef, before Acts 2:4-11, they have been casting out devils,
then on the day of Pentecost, the climax of the specified signs happened, they spoke in different dialect/languages

oyeludef:
Tongue is not a sign for unbelievers
but prophecy except tongue backed up by an additional gift of interpretation wch equals prophecy

do not stop there, read further to understand what Paul was saying.
²²Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:
but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
²³If therefore the whole church be come together into one place,
and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
²⁴But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
²⁵And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God,
and report that God is in you of a truth.

oyeludef, let me be sure I read you right.
Are you saying that "Tongue is not a sign for unbelievers"?

oyeludef:
There is more to this Jesus comment and why speaking in tongues happened in the only 3 recorded occassions

For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occassions it happened?

Though I have asked first, questions centering round this your question
I still am very so grateful to you for throwing my questions back at me
Instead of you answering my #1 - #5b questions, you've to put them together in to one whole
and used that to form your version of question to ask:
"For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occasions it happened?"

If my #2 - #5b questions were answered, you wouldnt have found the need to ask this question

The undelining and common denominator in the three occasions was unbelief
and so the consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occasions was for the benefit of the present unbelieving Jews
On each of the three occassion, the unbelieving Jews heard the gospel in their own dialect or languages
On the day of Pentecost, pilgrims who have travelled from far and wide to Jersalem and who happened to be unbelieving Jews,
it was these pilgrims/unbelieving Jews that heard the gospel in their dialect and/or language

By the way, the number 120 is a biblical symbolic number meaning waiting and that's the significance of having 120 disciples in the upper room.
The 120 disciples symbolically were waiting until the day of Pentecost when all Israelites or all the adult Jewish men would come to Jerusalem from wherever they were living to personally be in attendance for the Pentecost festival.

In the second occasion, Cornelius' household, which is Roman, spoke in the languages of the watching events, unbelieving Jews, present on that day.

In the last and third occasion, it's about, unbelieving Jews again.
They were in to John the Baptist and the "The baptism of John" and as they didnt know any better, they were headstrong about it,
So Paul told them that John baptized with the baptism of repentance,
and they really and actually need to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

They changed their belief, attitude and position on John the Baptist and the "The baptism of John",
and for this good reason, the sign of speaking in tongues, as in, in their dialect and language followed their conversion

oyeludef:
apart from the first reference which is on the day of Pentecost, there were no unbelievers in the other two references cos the household of Cornelius believed first before they were even given the gift.
Same with the Johns disciples in d other reference.
They already believed in Jesus but had never heard of the Holy ghost.
The day Paul told them about the experience, that was the same day they received and the sign of speaking in tongues was consistent as usual.

It really is poor judgment on your side, to have brushed aside answering those my #2 - #5b questions
because if you had made an attempt or thought them over,
you wouldnt have displayed a blatant disregard of biblical fact, as you've just done with comment(s) such as this.

Each of the #2 - #5b questions were very important, they were pieces of a jigsaw,
as you probably have now noticed, opting to refuse to answer them or declining to respond, is done, at a loss

oyeludef, I have above mentioned, one by one, that there were unbelievers, on each of the three recorded occasions

oyeludef:
love is a fruit of the spirit but speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit.
The fruits are more important than the gifts but non should be despised.
It is called a gift because it is not merited but given to empower you to perform effectively your assignment in the kingdom of God
and the fruits of the spirit reflects the personality of Jesus Christ in a believer.
Power is important for being witnesses hence Jesus made his disciples tarry till they were endued with power
before setting out to carry out the great commission.

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels,
but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."
- 1 Corinthians 13:1

You are diverging, so I have to type out 1 Corinthians 13:1 for us to both understand my original question

"if I have a million dollars but do not have love ..."
Now, oyeludef, from the above statement, does it mean, I've got a million dollars?
Its the same with 1 Corinthians 13:1, it doesnt mean you can speak in the tongues of angels
which you, in this respect, think the angels in the verse, are celestial beings

oyeludef, firstly, the context in that verse is that "if" is a conditional particle showing that sentence or verse is conditional
"If" is one of the biggest "little" words in any language. It can stop a contract from going through.
Even, if you speak in the tongues of men or of angels,
the lack of the love condition, in the sentence or verse, from you, negates everything, making the speak in the tongue(s) be noise

Secondly and importantly, the angels in the latter part of 1 Corinthians 13:1a, arently necessarily celestial beings
It is an assumption that the word, angels, in the latter part of 1 Corinthians 13:1a, are celestial beings

What 1 Corinthians 13:1 is teaching is love, which is excelent and the most important thing.
oyeludef, Paul, from 1 Corinthians 12:29 onwards, asked,
"Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? "
The answer on each account is No, no, no, no.
Then at 1 Corinthians 12:31 says:
"but you covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
and it was after that comment in 1 Corinthians 12:31, that he introduced and brought in 1 Corinthians 13:1

You and I, know many so called tongues speaking christians who do not have love
yet regularly during prayer sessions, all are called upon and propelled by pastors/worship leaders to start "speaking in tongues" and pray in tongues

Anyway, that isnt part of the point, the point has already been made with "if" and what the word "angels" means

oyeludef:
1 cor 14:4..
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

"⁹Ya mere, kpenu ekpere otú a: Nna-ayi Nke bi n'elu-igwe, Ka edo aha-Gi nsọ.
¹⁰Ka ala-eze-Gi bia. Ka eme ihe nāchọ, dika esi eme ya n'elu-igwe, ka eme kwa otú ahu n'uwa.
¹¹Nye ayi nri ta nke gēzuru ayi n'ubọchi ta.
¹²B͕aghara kwa ayi ugwọ nile ayi ji, dika ayi onwe-ayi b͕agharawo-kwa-ra ndi ji ayi ugwọ.
¹³Ewebàla ayi nime ọnwunwa, kama dọputa ayi n'aka ajọ onye ahu.

oyeludef, please recite the above prayer for me.
Can you? Did you recite it? Were you able to?
Imagine you reciting a Yoruba version of that prayer amidst an Igbo audience that doesnt understand a word of Yoruba
Who do you think gets built up with this unknown tongue (i.e. Yoruba prayer) you're reciting in, whilst amongst an entirely Igbo audience?

oyeludef:
"Himself" man himself is a spirit.

Himself", man himself is not used nor referred to a spirit in that verse or context.
Nonetheless, I admire the length you'll go to employ poetic licence, if that's the way you want to go with it

oyeludef:
praying in the spirit as the Holy spirit gives utterance
and praying in tongues is the same thing 1cor 14:14

I asked you that:
What are examples of "praying in the Holy ghost"
and you gave this comment and the next bottom one, as your responses

I am sorry to be the one to refute this misconception shared not just by you alone but many too
Praying in the spirit, means pray in accordance to the will of the Spirit
When your spirit is in tuned with the Spirit, you are able to pray in the spirit

I'll now, give you examples of Jesus "praying in/with the Spirit":
"³⁹After walking a little farther, he quickly bowed with his face to the ground and prayed,
"Father, if it's possible, let this cup [of suffering] be taken away from me.
But let your will be done rather than mine.""
⁴²Then he went away a second time and prayed,
"Father, if this cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, let your will be done."
⁴⁴After leaving them again, he went away and prayed the same prayer a third time.
- Matthew 26:39, 42, 44

oyeludef:
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
¹⁵What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:
I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
¹⁶Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit,
how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks,
seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Exactly what Paul and I are saying with the prayer up there I asked you to recite.
If you did recite the prayer, you had prayed in an unknown tongue, your spirit had prayer,
but though you prayed it, youhad no understanding of what the prayer was all about.
Your mind essentially was unfruitful.
So Paul, is saying, why not, where and/or when possible, pray in a language,
whereby as you pray with the spirit, you also at the same time, are praying with understanding in what you are saying

oyeludef:
I am not for a theological argument sir.

It is a forgivable mistake to think I participate in theological argument.
I dont do arguments, and I dont intend to start doing arguments with you

oyeludef:
I just gave you the portion of scriptures to back up speaking in tongues like u requested

I am forever grateful to you for bringing as many of the portion of scriptures, you managed to, out.
At least when you air them out, they can be subjected to critical observations and/or examinations.

oyeludef:
It will become a back and forth debate which will typically get us no where

I cant remember where I read that:
If a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is.
Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done.

oyeludef:
but incase u wanna learn more on the subject matter,
u can get Kenneth Hagin and Myles Munroe's books on the Holy spirit.

I reserve any comment I might/might not have on Kenneth Hagin
as for Myles Munroe however, he was one of my best teachers,
yet everything I learned from him still has to be first vetted and okayed by my Teacher

oyeludef:
Thank you sir. I love you sir. May God guide us all into his truth

Do you know that its a hardest thing of all, to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.

Open criticism is better than unexpressed love
- Proverbs 27:5

I love you more

MuttleyLaff:
No one from the mediums, Chaldeans, and diviners (i.e. the wise men of Babylon) could read talkess interpet the writing
It is, no one from his wise men that couldnt (i.e. refer to Daniel 5:15)

oyeludef, if you could be typing in this manner
as in, from not knowing why the wise men of Babylon could not read the writing nor understand,
I begin to wonder, what more are you unaware of

As I earlier pointed out, the writing was a writing from man's.
In actual fact, the writing was written in Aramaic

The three words in "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin" are known Aramaic names, of measures of currency
Mene, is a mina and from the root meaning "to count/number"
Tekel, is a spelling of shekel and from the root meaning "to weigh"
Upharsin, is peres, half a mina and from the root meaning "to divide"

It is the significance of the three words in the writing that was not understood and thereby prompted urgent interpretation

The subject of the passive voice/writing is the king, who is being "counted/numbered, weighed, divided"

The interpretation based on those passive verbs corresponding to the measure names; "numbered, weighed, divided" is that:
The king's days are counted, to be found numbered.
remember mene was repeated twice, this meant numbered and finished numbering it.
Further on, the king was measured/weighed and found wanting,
so the king's kingdom is to divided and taken away from him

So, oyeludef, the writing was in Aramaic, and there is more to this information but I will stop with only this much.

Shows that I do the Bereans, as I carefully and thoughfully read every word in everything you type
and that's how I managed to spot the slip in the reference you made
I wish you be similarly attentive and thoughtful to each of what I post too

This verse you're talking about here, was culminated fulfilled in Acts 2:4-11
oyeludef, before Acts 2:4-11, they have been casting out devils,
then on the day of Pentecost, the climax of the specified signs happened, they spoke in different dialect/languages

oyeludef, let me be sure I read you right.
Are you saying that "Tongue is not a sign for unbelievers"?

Though I have asked first, questions centering round this your question
I still am very so grateful to you for throwing my questions back at me
Instead of you answering my #1 - #5b questions, you've to put them together in to one whole
and used that to form your version of question to ask:
"For whose benefit was this consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occasions it happened?"

If my #2 - #5b questions were answered, you wouldnt have found the need to ask this question

The undelining and common denominator in the three occasions was unbelief
and so the consistent sign on the only 3 recorded occasions was for the benefit of the present unbelieving Jews
On each of the three occassion, the unbelieving Jews heard the gospel in their own dialect or languages
On the day of Pentecost, pilgrims who have travelled from far and wide to Jersalem and who happened to be unbelieving Jews,
it was these pilgrims/unbelieving Jews that heard the gospel in their dialect and/or language

By the way, the number 120 is a biblical symbolic number meaning waiting and that the significance of having 120 disciples in the upper room.
The 120 disciples symbolically were waiting until the day of Pentecost when all Israelites or all the adult Jewish men would come to Jerusalem from wherever they were living to personally be in attendance for the Pentecost festival.

In the second occasion, Cornelius' household, which is Roman, spoke in the languages of the watching events, unbelieving Jews, present on that day.

In the last and third occasion, it's about, unbelieving Jews again.
They were in to John the Baptist and the "The baptism of John" and as they didnt know any better, they were headstrong about it,
So Paul told them that John baptized with the baptism of repentance,
and they really and actually need to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

They changed their belief, attitude and position on John the Baptist and the "The baptism of John",
and for this good reason, the sign of speaking in tongues, as in, in their dialect and language followed their conversion

It really is poor judgment on your side, to have brushed aside answering those my #2 - #5b questions
because if you had made an attempt or thought them over,
you wouldnt have displayed a blatant disregard of biblical fact, as you've just done with comment(s) such as this.

Each of the #2 - #5b questions were very important, they were pieces of a jigsaw,
as you probably have now noticed, opting to refuse to answer them or declining to respond, is done, at a loss

oyeludef, I have above mentioned, one by one, that there were unbelievers, on each of the three recorded occasions

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels,
but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."
- 1 Corinthians 13:1

You are diverging, so I have to type out 1 Corinthians 13:1 for us to both understand my original question

"if I have a million dollars but do not have love ..."
Now, oyeludef, from the above statement, does it mean, I've got a million dollars?
Its the same with 1 Corinthians 13:1, it doesnt mean you can speak in the tongues of angels
which you, in this respect, think the angels in the verse, are celestial beings

oyeludef, firstly, the context in that verse is that "if" is a conditional particle showing that sentence or verse is conditional
"If" is one of the biggest "little" words in any language. It can stop a contract from going through.
Even, if you speak in the tongues of men or of angels,
the lack of the love condition, in the sentence or verse, from you, negates everything, making the speak in the tongue(s) be noise

Secondly and importantly, the angels in the latter part of 1 Corinthians 13:1a, arently necessarily celestial beings
It is an assumption that the word, angels, in the latter part of 1 Corinthians 13:1a, are celestial beings

What 1 Corinthians 13:1 is teaching is love, which is excelent and the most important thing.
oyeludef, Paul, from 1 Corinthians 12:29 onwards, asked,
"Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? "
The answer on each account is No, no, no, no.
Then at 1 Corinthians 12:31 says:
"but you covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
and it was after that comment in 1 Corinthians 12:31, that he introduced and brought in 1 Corinthians 13:1

You and I, know many so called tongues speaking christians who do not have love
yet regularly during prayer sessions, all are called upon and propelled by pastors/worship leaders to start "speaking in tongues" and pray in tongues

Anyway, that isnt part of the point, the point has already been made with "if" and what the word "angels" means

"⁹Ya mere, kpenu ekpere otú a: Nna-ayi Nke bi n'elu-igwe, Ka edo aha-Gi nsọ.
¹⁰Ka ala-eze-Gi bia. Ka eme ihe nāchọ, dika esi eme ya n'elu-igwe, ka eme kwa otú ahu n'uwa.
¹¹Nye ayi nri ta nke gēzuru ayi n'ubọchi ta.
¹²B͕aghara kwa ayi ugwọ nile ayi ji, dika ayi onwe-ayi b͕agharawo-kwa-ra ndi ji ayi ugwọ.
¹³Ewebàla ayi nime ọnwunwa, kama dọputa ayi n'aka ajọ onye ahu.

oyeludef, please recite the above prayer for me.
Can you? Did you recite it? Were you able to?
Imagine you reciting a Yoruba version of that prayer amidst an Igbo audience that doesnt understand a word of Yoruba
Who do you think gets built up with this unknown tongue (i.e. Yoruba prayer) you're reciting in, whilst amongst an entirely Igbo audience?

Himself", man himself is not used nor referred to a spirit in that verse or context.
Nonetheless, I admire the length you'll go to employ poetic licence, if that's the way you want to go with it

I asked you that:
What are examples of "praying in the Holy ghost"
and you gave this comment and the next bottom one, as your responses

I am sorry to be the one to refute this misconception shared not just by you alone but many too
Praying in the spirit, means pray in accordance to the will of the Spirit
When your spirit is in tuned with the Spirit, you are able to pray in the spirit

I'll now, give you examples of Jesus "praying in/with the Spirit":
"²⁹After walking a little farther, he quickly bowed with his face to the ground and prayed,
"Father, if it's possible, let this cup [of suffering] be taken away from me.
But let your will be done rather than mine.""
⁴²[i]Then he went away a second time and prayed,
"Father, if this cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, let your will be done."
⁴⁴After leaving them again, he went away and prayed the same prayer a third time.
- Matthew 26:39, 42, 44

Exactly what Paul and I are saying with the prayer up there I asked you to recite.
If you did recite the prayer, you had prayed in an unknown tongue, your spirit had prayer,
but though you prayed it, youhad no understanding of what the prayer was all about.
Your mind essentially was unfruitful.
So Paul, is saying, why not, where and/or when possible, pray in a language,
whereby as you pray with the spirit, you also at the same time, are praying with understanding in what you are saying

It is a forgivable mistake to think I participate in theological argument.
I dont do arguments, and I dont intend to start doing arguments with you

I am forever grateful to you for bringing as many of the portion of scriptures, you managed to, out.
At least when you air them out, they can be subjected to critical observations and/or examinations.

I cant remember where I read that:
If a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is.
Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done.

I reserve any comment I might/might not have on Kenneth Hagin
as for Myles Munroe however, he was one of my best teachers,
yet everything I learned from him still has to be first vetted and okayed by my Teacher

Do you know that its a hardest thing of all, to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.

Open criticism is better than unexpressed love - Proverbs 27:5

I love you more

God bless you. Since u read Myles books, I recommend you read his book "Most important person in the universe" .. I will not argue further on this. Thank you

oyeludef:
Here is a great video on this topic I found on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNsCINQKi_E&t=1899s

Okay. I should find a way to watch that soon.