wirinet:

The same way the US has interest in the Persian Gulf (US navy 5th fleet), the same way the US has interest in Niger (airforce drone based in Agadez), the same way the US showed interest in the Gulf of Guinea (they were refused a based here by the Obasanjo regime).

The US has numerous interests around the world.

I guess you wouldn't mind if Russia declares interest in Dallas then. Soon you'll be getting Putin Party of America. You just keep thinking the way you do.

stanech:
“Kavanaugh got too angry when Democrat Senators accused him of gang rape on national tv in order to ruin his life”

Is the dumbest of all takes.

The. Dumbest.

Rumours has it that Trump told him to strongly deny the allegations and that he should not show any weakness.
Guessed he took the advice and bit too far.

Congratulations SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/oct/05/brett-kavanaugh-vote-latest-live-news-updates-confirmation-supreme-court-christine-blasey-ford-fbi-report

budaatum:

Exactly! So let us watch how its done so we too can learn! Trump is good for the world, whether one likes him or not.

I don't know about Trump being good for the world bu I know he's a very divisive man who's dividing America along racial lines.

Abbeybailey:
I don't know about Trump being good for the world bu I know he's a very divisive man who's dividing America along racial lines.

Trump is not the one dividing America, the liberal mob is the one doing that

Senator Manchin is voting to confirm Kavanaugh because he is running for re-election in red state.

Any other reason he is advancing is pure BS. He should come out clean and admit it.

Next week, it's a change from Judge Kavanaugh to Justice Kavanaugh.

Abbeybailey:
I don't know about Trump being good for the world but I know he's a very divisive man who's dividing America along racial lines.

He is very good! We humans don't only learn from good examples, we also learn from bad ones too, and Trump shows us the bad.

The first test is Nov6. If the gops aren't punished then it would be because we ain't learnt yet. And if Trump gets a second term, well......

PDPGuy:
Senator Manchin is voting to confirm Kavanaugh because he is running for re-election in red state.

Any other reason he is advancing is pure BS. He should come out clean and admit it.

Next week, it's a change from Judge Kavanaugh to Justice Kavanaugh.

I would not be surprised.

PDPGuy:
Senator Manchin is voting to confirm Kavanaugh because he is running for re-election in red state.

Any other reason he is advancing is pure BS. He should come out clean and admit it.

Next week, it's a change from Judge Kavanaugh to Justice Kavanaugh.

That turn coat need to be primaried, Heitkamp is in more precarious situation than him, she is still voting no.

budaatum:

He is very good! We humans don't only learn from good examples, we also learn from bad ones too, and Trump shows us the bad.

The first test is Nov6. If the gops aren't punished then it would be because we ain't learnt yet. And if Trump gets a second term, well......

Nov 6 will be the deciding factor of where America wants to go. Patiently waiting to cast my vote on Nov 6 and mine start by kicking out my Republicon Gov named Bruce Rauner.

Abbeybailey:
Nov 6 will be the deciding factor of where America wants to go. Patiently waiting to cast my vote on Nov 6 and mine start by kicking out my Republicon Gov named Bruce Rauner.

Please think about me when you cast your vote. Maybe it would count as two. A win for Republicans would make me weep!

schwarzkopf:


That turn coat need to be primaried, Heitkamp is in more precarious situation than him, she is still voting no.

To be honest, I see no hope for Heitkamp turning her deficit around. She ran a good race, but she would become an ex-Senator by January 2019.

That's why I applaud her courage, because she could have easily voted for Kavanaugh and hope her poll numbers rise. I applaud her courage all the same.

Brett Kavanaugh has the votes, he will be confirmed tomorrow and the democrats can wail all they want. These nonsense by democrats has energised the Rebuplican base and they will come out again in their numbers to kick democrats asses again in November

budaatum:

I would not be surprised.

It's pure politics

budaatum:

Please think about me when you cast your vote. Maybe it would count as two. A win for Republicans would make me weep!

Will definitely do because we are more in number than they are. Nov 6 is around the corner and we shall see but I am very optimistic that Americans will come out in large number to send a message to the Republikkkans that out of many we are one and no one can divide us not even the so called President.

PDPGuy:


To be honest, I see no hope for Heitkamp turning her deficit around. She ran a good race, but she would become an ex-Senator by January 2019.

That's why I applaud her courage, because she could have easily voted for Kavanaugh and hope her poll numbers rise. I applaud her courage all the same.

Heitkamp knows that even if she votes for Kavanaugh, the demagogue in the WH will still blackmail her. I applaud Heitkamp courage and Susan Collins can forget about winning reelection in 2020 in Maine .

Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed. the huge loss the republican party will get in the Nov 6 elections. Most people will vote to spite Donald Trump and the GOP.

Headboy2000:
Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed. the huge loss the republican party will get in the Nov 6 elections. Most people will vote to spite Donald Trump and the GOP.

Red Wave

itchie:
Brett Kavanaugh has the votes, he will be confirmed tomorrow and the democrats can wail all they want. These nonsense by democrats has energised the Rebuplican base and they will come out again in their numbers to kick democrats asses again in November

I see riots just like the aftermath of Nov 8 2016

budaatum:

People still get to have rights to their opinions, whether one likes what they say or not?

Do you know many times we have overstated that fact to Lucasbabboon in many pages past since time memorial?, and him still dey form dumb and dumber? He is the reason why this thread has become known for weirdest insults Instead of normal civil discourse. At least I commend you for pointing it to him.

wirinet:


Did you read what I said at all? I said teen parties in the 80s were wild. Boys get drunk and do all sorts of things with girls. Even the girls were not innocent.

I said pinning girls to a wall and kissing her or even grabbing some sensitive parts were not considered sexual assault then. It was all a game then, girls play hard to get and guys try to show machoness. Except the girls were raped they didn't make any issue of out it.

Lots of popular teenage movies then showed wild teenage parties featuring drinks, drugs and what will be considered today as sexual assault. Popular groups such as 2 live crew sang lyrics that would be considered as promoting sexual assault of women then.

Attitude towards sex and even unwanted touching of women only started to change in the 2010s.

It was only recently that any unpermitted touching of any part of a woman is considered sexual assault. Now you can be accused of raping your wife.

I am certain that even Dr. Ford did not see it as a big deal then, as I am sure she too must have drank some alcohol and attended a few wild parties where guys "sexually assaulted" her. She did not mention it for years. I am sure she is bringing it up now probably because of promptings from Democrats to scuttle Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation. She did not bring up the case all these years as Kavanaugh climbed up the judicial ladder.

I remember a few wild parties my friends and I organized then.

To further collaborate the teen attitude to sex in the 80s read this article;

The rape culture of the 1980s, explained by Sixteen Candles

But if there’s one thing we can take away from the popular culture of the 1980s, when the alleged events took place, it’s that a sexual assault at that time might not have been immediately clear as what it was, for participants and observers alike. Some of the most popular comedies of the ’80s are filled with supposedly hilarious sequences that portray what in 2018 would be unambiguously considered date rape.
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https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/9/27/17906644/sixteen-candles-rape-culture-1980s-brett-kavanaugh

wirinet:


Rumours has it that Trump told him to strongly deny the allegations and that he should not show any weakness.
Guessed he took the advice and bit too far.

Yes Rumours

Appleyard:


Interesting. Isn't the FBI part of the same intelligence agencies you want Trump to believe and accept their verdicts without reservations? Now that he gave them all to do their work, and they have done it, you suddenly feel they didn't do their work well. You guys are a whole lot of funny bunch.

By the way, what make you think the FBI didn't do their work well pertaining to the investigation? You expect them to line all the said witnesses and the accusers herself in front of cameras and start asking questions like testifying before a senate committee? Had it been that the white house fought the investigation, you dems would have gone ballistic shouting "he has something to hide". But now that the house did the needful and the FBI finds nothing incriminating against Kavanaugh, you guys have turned around to say the investigation didn't go well. What shall I do to appease thy lost oh democrats...

Contrary to what you believe, there would be no second civil war in America. If there is to be any war, it's going to be between the people and the elites.

So we still have slave owners?

Democrats are cruel, selfish and hypocritical. They are full of double standards.

Naza25:

Trump is not the one dividing America, the liberal mob is the one doing that

liberals and their immigration foolishness , SJWs, feminist and the main stream media (with their liberal narrative) eg. CNN(crooked news network), ABC(always broadcasting crap) etc. are the ones dividing America. I wonder why these set of people can't simply separate facts from fiction. Intellectually, they act like simple life forms.

obixcel:
this thread has become known for weirdest insults Instead of normal civil discourse. At least I commend you for pointing it

Without taking sides, insult throwers are weak people with low intelligence. If they weren't, they would state their points intelligently and argue their position wisely, and even if the person they were responding to did not get it, they would understand that there are many more people reading what they have written who might have gotten it.

Insult throwers pander to their fellow insulters, an ignorant immature lot who argue their points sentimentality and get offended when their often silly position is not adopted. The wise and more mature would not stoop down into the muck with them, but would intelligently allow the insulter to bath in muck alone.

If one does not jump into the muck with insulters and stink like them, the insulter is more likely to notice they themselves are covered in stinky muck, and on seeing your unmucked person, detest their own muckiness sometimes, as happened to a person who recently decided insulting buda was the best way to put their point across. (I am still considering his case, but would appreciate if you like his apology to encourage him to behave unmuckily in the future please.)

As Americans would say, "be the change you want to see", if you can, I beg you all please. Those of us who come here have a lot to gain by being here but our gain is significantly reduced if we cannot see through the muck.

wirinet:


To further collaborate the teen attitude to sex in the 80s read this article;

I do not agree that teens in the 80s "drug girls at high school house parties where the girls were later “gang raped” anymore more than they are today. In fact, I'd say it happens more today than it did in the 80s if just for the fact that rape drugs are much more available today than they were in the 80s!

The only thing that's changed from the 80s is that women don't just keep quiet anymore and have become more vocal about it. “I was in high school in the 1980s. Gang rape was viewed as a horrible crime then, too.”

We have a popular saying in America, IF YOU DON'T VOTE YOU DON'T COUNT. I will be voting Blue all the way on Nov 6 and that means I count. The other Americans here like Scwazkorp, PDPguy, Armyofone and few others here I believe will vote Blue too on Nov 6. The racist a*s lickers can mouth off their junk on Nairaland all they want but not one of them can vote on Nov 6. That's the big difference between the people that live the real life in US and people who just follow the propaganda being shunned out by the Nazi propaganda play book.

budaatum:
I do not agree that teens in the 80s "drug girls at high school house parties where the girls were later “gang raped” anymore more than they are today. In fact, I'd say it happens more today than it did in the 80s if just for the fact that rape drugs are much more available today than they were in the 80s!

The only thing that's changed from the 80s is that women don't just keep quiet anymore and have become more vocal about it. “I was in high school in the 1980s. Gang rape was viewed as a horrible crime then, too.”

I was not making a case for rape (gang or otherwise) in the 80s, my point is many of the behaviours that is termed sexual assault was not considered as such then, especially among pop and high school culture.

Outright rape was still highly frowned upon.

wirinet:


I was not making a case for rape (gang or otherwise) in the 80s, my point is many of the behaviours that is termed sexual assault was not considered as such then, especially among pop and high school culture.

Outright rape was still highly frowned upon.

And I am simply disagreeing with you, and stating that it was just much harder for women to come out and state what had happened to them, but are much bolder today.

In the past, most would claim it was the woman's fault that she was assaulted, and that she deserved it because she was scantily dressed, or was in the rapist's bedroom etc, excuses we are way more enlightened than to accept today.

Sexual assault has always been a negative thing and the fact that people kept quiet about it because of the unfavourable response they got if they reported it should not be seen as an acceptance of it. It was bad then and is bad now.

budaatum:

And I am simply disagreeing with you, and stating that it was just much harder for women to come out and state what had happened to them, but are much bolder today.

In the past, most would claim it was the woman's fault that she was assaulted, and that she deserved it because she was scantily dressed, or was in the rapist's bedroom etc, excuses we are way more enlightened than to accept today.

Sexual assault has always been a negative thing and the fact that people kept quiet about it because of the unfavourable response they got if they reported it should not be seen as an acceptance of it. It was bad then and is bad now.

It seems you did not read the linked article. Sex and "sexual assault " especially by high school teens was popular culture then. Many popular high school comedy films portrayed and found "sexual assault " very entertaining. I can name many of such films we grew up on. Many musicians and musical lyrics in the 80s became very popular singing songs about sexual exploitation and harassment of girls. Such songs would not be accepted today.

Even here in Nigeria apart from wild parties, we had LITS (literary and debating society) events most Saturdays, where various students from all surrounding schools for academic and not so academic competitions. After the actual events, boys and girls get together for all sorts of wild fun.

wirinet:

It seems you did not read the linked article. Sex and "sexual assault " especially by high school teens was popular culture then. Many popular high school comedy films portrayed and found "sexual assault " very entertaining. I can name many of such films we grew up on. Many musicians and musical lyrics in the 80s became very popular singing songs about sexual exploitation and harassment of girls. Such songs would not be accepted today.

Even here in Nigeria apart from wild parties, we had LITS (literary and debating society) events most Saturdays, where various students from all surrounding schools for academic and not so academic competitions. After the actual events, boys and girls get together for all sorts of wild fun.

Girls and boys getting "together for all sorts of wild fun" is not the same as sexual assault, and the depiction in films does not imply societal acceptance. There are many films about wars and non judicial killings, but I feel you would not bring them up as evidence of acceptance of these acts.

I did read the article, and the words that sprang to my mind were apologetic nonsense and an insult to one's intelligence, and I was surprised to find a woman wrote it! I doubt she would have taken that stance if she knew what she spoke of. She probably wasn't yet born in the 80s she writes about and can therefore not be an authority on the topic!

We had a case of a White Police Officer Van Dyke that shot a 17 year old Blackboy in Chicago 16 times when the boy was moving away from him. They try to cover it up but the outrage of the Video from the squad car set the whole city into fury. Who shot someone in the back 16 times and smoke was coming out of Laquan McDonald body. Yesterday , the jury found the White Officer guilty of 2nd degree murder. That's what we deal in here with Klans and Nazis infiltrating police units all over the country to murder minorities under the cover of the badge. Here we have people who don't know what life entails in America telling us that lives here all our life that they know what's better for us. So sad but I am not surprised.