musicwriter:


What is religion? Explain to me why Christianity is not a religion. If you can't explain this in your next reply, I am sorry to say I won't continue any further discussion with you.

The scientists weren't a part of writing the bible, they weren't even born by the time the bible was written. The first bible was published in 1455, more than 100 years before the first science pioneers in Europe. Nicola Copernicus, Gailio Gailio, Isaac Newton, etc, they all inherited a religious indoctrination the moment they became Christians from birth. Inherited indoctrination is when you adopt a belief and you believe it without asking question because others believe it.

You can't find flat earth in the bible today because such, and many more has been deleted a long time ago by the Roman Catholic church who wrote your bible. In fact, whole books were removed at some point. Example; the 1611 AD bible had more 14 books that were later completely removed because Rome didn't like what was in them.

List of some books removed from the bible.

(1). The Prayer of Manasses
This work dates from the first century B.C. It was intended to be used in connection with the story of Manasseh's Babylonian captivity (2 Chron. 33). Parts of the Prayer have found their way into Protestant liturgy.

(2). The Song of the Three Holy Children
This addition to the Book of Daniel was written about 100 B.C. and was found inserted in his book, in the third chapter, right after the 23rd verse.

(3). The History of Susanna
This is another 1st century B.C. addition to the book of Daniel. It is generally found prefixed to the book. The purpose of the story is to magnify Daniel's powers and the judgment.

(4). First Esdras
This is the Greek version of, and in some parts a reconstruction of the canonical Book of Ezra. It was written about 100 B.C. Some of the subject matter added is from the book of Nehemiah.

(5). Second Esdras
This book is an apocalypse, especially chapters 3-14. It is composite in origin, dating from 65 B.C. to 120 A.D. The value of the book lies in the fact that it focuses heavily on the period of Jewish thought surrounding the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The views it expresses on eschatology are closely allied to the teachings of the New Testament.


(6). First Maccabees
First Maccabees, written by a Jew in Palestine during the latter part of the 2nd century B.C., is perhaps the best historical source on the period from 175 to 135 B.C. Well written, it reveals deep insight into the root causes of the Maccabean rebellion and details the rebellion itself down to the death of Simon in 135 B.C. This book is essential to both Christians and Jews. It gives detailed information relative to Antiochus Epiphanes and his desecration of the Jerusalem Temple, an action which Jesus said would be repeated at the time of the end. The book also contains a wealth of details relative to the Jewish feast of Hannukah (which celebrates the re-dedication of the Temple Antiochus debased). That information is available from no other source, Jewish or otherwise, and without it there would be no Hannukah celebration.

(7). Second Maccabees
Unlike the first Book of the Maccabees, this work is a combination of history and fiction. It seems to be less useful than the first. It is an abridgment of a far more extensive work in existence at the time of its writing in the latter part of the 2nd century B.C, It presents information about the period leading up to the rebellion of the Maccabees under Mattathias in Modein and follows it down to 161 B.C.

(. Tobit
The Book of Tobit, a work of fiction, was very popular among Jews and early Christians. It is a story of romance and legend from the Jewish Dispersion in Egypt. It was written in the 3rd century B.C., and was based upon two well-known Egyptian stories. The purpose of this book was to teach useful lessons and at the same time correct some of the then-current superstitions. It features prominently the angel Raphael.

(9). Bel and the Dragon
Written about 100 B.C., this story reveals Daniel's wisdom in exposing the falsehood of idolatry and those who promote it. The book also reveals the existence in Babylon of a dragon-god. Information about this idol is available from no other source, but it is particularly relevant in light of dragon prophecies relative to the last days, scattered throughout the scriptures.

(10). Judith
The Book of Judith relates a story of victory won by the chosen people over its enemies, thanks to the intervention of a woman. It is a legendary tale of a Jewish widow reminiscent of 'Joan of Ark' who succeeds in outwitting and finally slaying a great Assyrian general, thus bringing deliverance to her oppressed people. It was written in Palestine during the latter half of the 2nd century B.C., probably by a Pharisee

(11). Baruch
The greater part of this book was written in the 1st century A.D. under the assumed name of Baruch, the private secretary of Jeremiah. The 6th chapter is known as the Epistle of Jeremiah. Both books contain a series of exhortations, encouragements, and severe denunciations.


(12). Ecclesiasticus
This book, written about 180 B.C., contains proverbs and practical observations of life two centuries before the birth of Christ. The work closely resembles the Wisdom Literature of the Old Testament. It represents one of the most valuable records of early Rabbinical thought. It was translated into Greek in 132 B.C. by a grandson of the author (Jesus ben Sira)

(13). Wisdom
In many respects, this is one of the most valuable books of the entire Apocrypha. It was written by a Jew of the Dispersion about 65 B.C. It is similar to the Wisdom Books of the Old Testament. It was written especially to combat the materialistic tendencies of the canonical book of Ecclesiastes. Filled with stunning prophecy and replete with the powerful and spiritual essence of God, this book is also sometimes referred to as the 'Wisdom of Solomon'.

(14). The book of Adam and Eve
This book tells the original creation story before Genesis was written.

(15). The book of Enoch
This book talks about ancient mysticism and fallen angels.

Note: There are many more books, more than 20 books that didn't make it as canonical at the conference of Nicea and therefore not included.

So, as you can see, the bible has been doctored several times throughout history to suit Roman dictates before it became what it is today. So, your bible as is today is not even the real bible!. It has been so much watered down that its almost different from the ancient scripts there were copied.

Source: The Origin of the Bible's Concept of Heaven, Hell, and 10 Commandments http://www.africason.com/2017/04/african-origin-of-torah-and-bibles-ten.html

i will give you the definition of RELIGION as well as CHRISTIANITY and end my response to you. reason being that science (which u solely rely on) lacks the explanatory (for now) for Christianity.

RELIGION :
1. an ORGANIZED SYSTEM of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

2. an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

Take note, dis definitions are from the dictionary. But d dictionary defined Christianity as an affront of Religion (another mistake of wise men philosophizing). In one fragments of Christianity, u av religion just as u av morals, songs, parables/idioms and science, dat doesn't mean dat Christianity is all about Religion, songs, parables /idioms, Morals and science. It is more than that. Christianity is the (pulsating) life of God in a man. Every other thing comes from this.

c, in science, facts and proofs ends an argument.

on ur reply tread, u made a statement in one of ur quote dat d Bible stated that the earth is flat. I asked for a reference because I want to knw better. Then u came with all dis many narratives.


kindly note: my questions regarding ur view points are not to discredit or shame u but to c ways to add (if need be) to my human reasoning /perception of things ( d human way) esp the ones I am not taking note of.

celwonder:


i will give you the definition of RELIGION as well as CHRISTIANITY and end my response to you. reason being that science (which u solely rely on) lacks the explanatory (for now) for Christianity.

RELIGION :
1. an ORGANIZED SYSTEM of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

2. an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

Take note, dis definitions are from the dictionary. But d dictionary defined Christianity as an affront of Religion (another mistake of wise men philosophizing). In one fragments of Christianity, u av religion just as u av morals, songs, parables/idioms and science, dat doesn't mean dat Christianity is all about Religion, songs, parables /idioms, Morals and science. It is more than that. Christianity is the (pulsating) life of God in a man. Every other thing comes from this.

c, in science, facts and proofs ends an argument.

on ur reply tread, u made a statement in one of ur quote dat d Bible stated that the earth is flat. I asked for a reference because I want to knw better. Then u came with all dis many narratives.

kindly note: my questions regarding ur view points are not to discredit or shame u but to c ways to add (if need be) to my human reasoning /perception of things ( d human way) esp the ones I am not taking note of.

Your first definition of religion is right and that's what Christianity is. Since you need a dictionary to define it, we shall use a dictionary to find out whether you are right or wrong

RELIGION definition https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/religion?q=Religion+

That's the Cambridge dictionary, check it and you'll see that the first definition is the definition of religion.

The second definition is not an official definition of religion, rather, it's an informal way of saying the same thing. It's like a metaphor!!.

INFORMAL definition https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/informal?q=Informal+

I pity myself that I once used to be like you. So, you believe the brain shouldn't be used to understand religion? Religion has a history and its known knowledge, its not an unknown thing.

Religion damages the brain, it doesn't allow followers to think outside of it. You've been warned!.

musicwriter:


Your first definition of religion is right and that's what Christianity is. Since you need a dictionary to define it, we shall use a dictionary to find out whether you are right or wrong

RELIGION definition https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/religion?q=Religion+

That's the Cambridge dictionary, check it and you'll see that the first definition is the definition of religion.

The second definition is not an official definition of religion, rather, it's an informal way of saying the same thing. It's like a metaphor!!.

INFORMAL definition https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/informal?q=Informal+

I pity myself that I once used to be like you. So, you believe the brain shouldn't be used to understand religion? Religion has a history and its known knowledge, its not an unknown thing.

Religion damages the brain, it doesn't allow followers to think outside of it. You've been warned!.

c, as long as u keep seeing Christianity as a religion, it will also keep u from seeing beyond it. Thereby propagating the curse of religion which is to keep ones mind within defined walls of perceptions which can be likened to the organized system in my first definition.

Religion hardly does any good in the long run but not Christianity.

celwonder:


c, as long as u keep seeing Christianity as a religion, it will also keep u from seeing beyond it. Thereby propagating the curse of religion which is to keep ones mind within defined walls of perceptions which can be likened to the organized system in my first definition.

Religion hardly does any good in the long run but not Christianity.

Bro, it's you that have your brain inside a box. It's you that defined religion but lacks common sense to interpret it. Christianity is a religion and you're probably the only person in the world who doesn't know that.

I don't know how you're going to come out of this. I honestly pity you.

celwonder:


c, as long as u keep seeing Christianity as a religion, it will also keep u from seeing beyond it. Thereby propagating the curse of religion which is to keep ones mind within defined walls of perceptions which can be likened to the organized system in my first definition.

Religion hardly does any good in the long run but not Christianity.

Why hath thou deceiveth thyself? You guys always try so hard to redefine Christianity, yet stay subscribed to the Bible (dogma) and generally regard criticism of the Bible as blasphemy, not knowing that you can't change a model (indoctrination) without changing the blueprints (doctrine).

Christianity is a religion Bro. Your statement is contradictory.

topdee:


Why hath thou deceiveth thyself? You guys always try so hard to redefine Christianity, yet stay subscribed to the Bible (dogma) and generally regard criticism of the Bible as blasphemy, not knowing that you can't change a model (indoctrination) without changing the blueprints (doctrine).

Christianity is a religion Bro. Your statement is contradictory.

Christianity is not a religion; it's a football club

Gross self-deceit.

musicwriter:


Bro, it's you that have your brain inside a box. It's you that defined religion but lacks common sense to interpret it. Christianity is a religion and you're probably the only person in the world who doesn't know that.

I don't know how you're going to come out of this. I honestly pity you.

.....or maybe I am d only one in the world who knows dat Christianity goes beyond being a religion.

Well talking about common sense interpreting, let ur common sense lead u.

celwonder:


.....or maybe I am d only one in the world who knows dat Christianity goes beyond being a religion.

Well talking about common sense interpreting, let ur common sense lead u.

Yes, indeed, you are the "only one in the world who knows dat Christianity goes beyond being a religion.".

You certainly know more than the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible.

topdee:


Why hath thou deceiveth thyself? You guys always try so hard to redefine Christianity, yet stay subscribed to the Bible (dogma) and generally regard criticism of the Bible as blasphemy, not knowing that you can't change a model (indoctrination) without changing the blueprints (doctrine).

Christianity is a religion Bro. Your statement is contradictory.

I bliv sum1 had likened / defined Christianity as religion which you came across from a very young innocent age of understanding and thus forming ur first foundational level of wat Christianity is?

Contradictory is when an explanation cannot give clear distinction between two words that is deemed different, & not the same.

musicwriter:


Yes, indeed, you are the "only one in the world who knows dat Christianity goes beyond being a religion.".

You certainly know more than the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible.

1. Well, let me classify ur first statement as sarcasm so that you can be absolutely right.

2. The Catholic Church is a Body of Christ and not Christ / God.

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celwonder:



1. Well, let me classify ur first statement as sarcasm so that you can be absolutely right.

2. The Catholic Church is a Body of Christ and not Christ / God.

God/Christ then informed them that Christianity is a religion but he informed you privately that Christianity is something else unknown to humanity. Lucky you!.

musicwriter:


God/Christ then informed them that Christianity is a religion but he informed you privately that Christianity is something else unknown to humanity. Lucky you!.

YOUR CHALLENGE

1. u take Human (Catholic) as God and holds their view point superior and their short comings as God's.

2. u bliv in wat humans tell u of God and concludes without any real experience to corroborate it.

3. a major contradiction from ur end is: u bliv or insinuate that there's NO GOD but yet bliv that HE INFORMED the Catholics that Christianity is a Religion. How can the Catholic be informed by who is not


And no, not just lucky me because luck does not totally explain it, the right words to use is that I Am favored.

celwonder:



YOUR CHALLENGE

1. u take Human (Catholic) as God and holds their view point superior and their short comings as God's.

2. u bliv in wat humans tell u of God and concludes without any real experience to corroborate it.

3. a major contradiction from ur end is: u bliv or insinuate that there's NO GOD but yet bliv that HE INFORMED the Catholics that Christianity is a Religion. How can the Catholic be informed by who is not


And no, not just lucky me because luck does not totally explain it, the right words to use is that I Am favored.

Bro, something is definitely wrong with you and its very worrying you don't even realise how you sound in your logic. And that's the danger religion pose to humanity. The Catholic gave you your Bible, so they must have the authentic message from your God. While I believe in God but I don't believe the type of God you believe. Your God shuts down the brain and damage it.

musicwriter:


Bro, something is definitely wrong with you and its very worrying you don't even realise how you sound in your logic. And that's the danger religion pose to humanity. The Catholic gave you your Bible, so they must have the AUTHENTIC MESSAGE FROM your GOD. WHILE I BELIEVE in GOD BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE TYPE OF GOD YOU BELIEVE. Your God shuts down the brain and damage it.

1. What type of God do you believe in

2. Are u now saying that the Bible is the AUTHENTIC MESSAGE from God??


NOTED: During the period when the Bible (New Testament) was documented, there was ntin like Catholics.

celwonder:



What type of God do you believe in

The God that allows mathematics, logic, emphirism, observation, experiment to arrive at conclusion.

I said the catholic Bible must be the authentic book of YOUR God since they were there before your church. Your Bible's God including your Jesus never existed. It's an invention.

musicwriter:


The God that allows mathematics, logic, emphirism, observation, experiment to arrive at conclusion.

1. That is Wisdom and it comes from God. Don't glorify the invention (Wisdom) more than the Inventor (God).

2. It's obvious you don't even know the God who allows all those things u mentioned. And pls, dnt say its the God of science

musicwriter:



I said the catholic Bible must be the authentic book of YOUR God since they were there BEFORE YOUR CHURCH. Your Bible's God including your Jesus never existed. It's an INVENTION.

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musicwriter:



I said the catholic Bible must be the authentic book of YOUR God since they were there BEFORE YOUR CHURCH. Your Bible's God including your Jesus never existed. It's an INVENTION.

1. hmmmmm, Invention of the human mind or science??

2. church as in the building / denomination or the body of Christ??

The man in this video is John Shelby Spong, who was Episcopalian, not Catholic.