PLEASE ONCE YOU START READING, READ TO THE END, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, OKAY?

This piece is dedicated to Seun (Atheist-unrepentant), NwaAmaikpe (Atheist-Christian, lol), and naptu2 (intelligence unrivalled. Don't know if he is an atheist or a Christian).


“How can they worship a Supreme Being who watches hurricanes, tornados, wildfires, storms and tsunamis destroy their homes, tear their children apart, waste away all they ever worked for, and does nothing to stop it?”

“How can they worship a Most High who watches a three-year-old child climb out of the balcony of an uncompleted building and get stuck on a rope and be hanged to death, without doing anything to rescue her?”

“How can they worship a Yahweh who ignores their prayers of divine healing and allows their mothers and fathers suffer in sickness and pain and still die, after years and years of fervent prayers?”

“How can they worship an Alpha and Omega who would sit and watch both their legs get crushed to unfixable pieces in a motor accident and do nothing to avert it?”

“How can they worship an I am that I am who watches fire lick down their houses when they are not at home, burning 80% of the body of their thirteen-year-old daughter, watches the girl suffer in unimaginable and indescribable pain in the hospital, watches her scream painfully when her bandages are being changed and her flesh is being pulled, watches cry so much she starts laughing from the pain, watches her die and does  nothing?”

“How can they worship a Hammer that Shatters the Rock who allows little children to be kidnapped and used for money rituals and does nothing about it? Even to be kidnapped in the church?”

“How can they worship a Lily of the Valley who allows them to grovel and grovel and grovel before he answers their prayers?”

“How can they worship a Rock of Ages who watches terrorists blast them and their homes and children to pieces continuously for years and years and does nothing to stop that or ease their suffering?”

“How can they worship a Jehovah Elohim who watches little children hawk day and night in the streets, in hunger and ill-health, watches all sorts of disabled people litter the streets in penury and helplessness, watches people with face tumours who have no money for surgeries carry tubes around their whole lives for feeding, even kids, and does nothing to help them? Sends no help their way?”

“How can they worship a King of Kings who allows corrupt leaders to rule his people, initiate wars that will kill the poor and enrich the wealthy?”

“How can they worship a LORD of Lords who allows the evil, wicked, people to stay rich and enjoy life, while the ones who worship Him wallow in poverty and penury their entire lives?”

“How can they worship a Mighty Man in Battle who allows fake fraudsters serve as His ministers, who allows 419ers deceive the people who want to worship Him, enrich themselves from their scarce pennies, and does nothing to stop them?”

“Why worship a Father who allows suffering and pain of the most unimaginable sorts to drain your lives and batter your souls?”

“Why worship a Protector who allows His people suffer in slavery for hundreds of years, get lost in the wilderness for tens more, all in the name of punishment?”


These and many more my hands cannot begin to type are the questions an atheist will always ask a Christian. It makes more sense to believe that truly, a Father who loves his children will never allow such to happen to them, so since it's actually happening, then there is no God. It makes no sense that there can be a Supreme Being, whose tales are told in a book full of ‘larger-than-life stories’, who created man and all the complexities in his body from sand and breath, when science clearly proves the evolution of man?

Why do Christians thank and praise God after a series of successful surgeries cured them, when it was clearly the doctors who were doing the work, standing day and night, hungry and exhausted just to save your life, and you end up giving offerings in thanks to God? (But the doctors still get paid outrageous millions).


An atheist feels that no wise, learned, educated person should believe in the existence of a Supreme Being, because everything has a scientific and visible explanation. Apparitions and visions are all tricks of the subconscious. They may even be mere hallucinations from medication or stress.

An atheist believes, that his anti-God beliefs definitely make him seem way more sophisticated and intelligent than those hogwash-believing Christians, with their uncountable laws and rules and sins and this and that, when they can just love and give and be good to one another.

Forever and always, I am a Christian (not a perfect one, a very bad-mouthed one if I must confess) and I perfectly understand the stand and feelings of every atheist. Atheism makes a while lot more sense and is a lot less complicated. Life isn't all that hard when you believe there is no God, when you believe in conscience and goodwill.

But then again, the main trigger of atheism is: not understanding that the nature of God is not the nature of man. Seeing God as a human being with human inclinations makes you expect Him to be human. God is compassionate in His own way.  

(See the next post).


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As a Christian, I have no wish to drag 'learnedness’ with atheists. It's okay if you choose to see me as an uneducated, brain-washed fool because I believe there is a God who sees all and has His own unknown reasons as to why He allows what happens to us to happen. Bad things I believe bruise His heart, because the Bible did say He was hurt when His Son suffered in pain. And yes, I believe in the Bible, as self-contradictory as it may be, I choose to believe.

I am a Catholic. I believe in worshipping God and in honoring the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus, who is God. She pleaded with Jesus on behalf of the bride in Cana, and He did an incredible miracle, even though it was not yet His time, but anything for His sweet Mother. I believe in the efficacy of Her intercession.

I believe in ghosts, because if I said ghosts aren't real, then that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, who is otherwise called Holy Ghost.

I believe there are three persons in one God. Though I don't understand it, I choose to believe.

Now, back to the main issue. An atheist will ask why God allows all those terrible things to happen to us. A Christian would say, to test our faith. An atheist would ask, why test your faith when your squashed legs or burnt skin won't come back to the way they were when you pass the test? A Christian would say, God has His ways and reasons.

My take is that, truly, as a human, I often wonder why these things have to happen. But I've learned, no, I've chosen rather, to never question God. It's a decision I made, deep in my heart, to accept Him as my Supreme Being, as my Champion, attribute things I cannot explain or understand to Him, because it's easier that way. I believe that God has His own way of choosing people who go to Heaven, no human on earth can predict.

I don't believe in all the complexities they attach to modern-day Christianity, I just believe in Jesus's law: Love. Love God with all your might, heart and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. When you love God, you keep His commandments, when you love your neighbor, you share with them and give when they need.

Atheism and Christianity are personal choices. They come from your heart and soul. You choose one or the other. Nobody should be asked to explain this or that or why they choose to believe or not believe.

I believe in God, I believe in the mystery of the Trinity, I believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary, I believe in Purgatory, but most of all, I believe in keeping a clear conscience, and in love.

Bring the arguments on. I'm ready. Ishilove, get in here and drop your take.



Signed: ComputerGeek

Good morning.

I can't speak on behalf of atheists.
I can only speak on behalf of demons, satanists and serpentine spirits.

Let's assume God is a destination, not a being. A place of knowledge, where all information lies.

All life begins from darkness, ignorance, a place without light.

Those who have come before tell their stories, write their past, determine their future. Their journey towards God becomes a reflection of their culture, their history, themselves.

Thus, there will be many paths to God, and everyone will his way at his own pace.

The problem is Christianity is inherently incompatible with other religions.

When Jesus claims to be The Way, it's an indirect affront to all other paths. But, this claim is very powerful, especially in the mind of one who believes.


Atheism on the other dispels the notion that there is God - at least not in the sense fellow humans would like us to believe. Atheism offers no guide to morals, ethics, or culture. It's an empty philosophy, like it's direct equivalent theism.


As a humble demon of large proportions, I think we are more learned than both of you folks. My bum is well adjusted on the fence, in the middle, watching y'all discuss mundane as we soar this world on a large big rock.

Enjoy life. Smoke weeb. Stay bwueautiful. Haopy weekend y'all.

Very rational questions asked in this interesting read.
But I'd advice; the ways of man are not the ways of God so most things will make no sense to our mortal wisdom.
We all get to a point where we question what we've always believed.
That point is the beginning of any enlightenment. A point most people are scared of getting to because they myopically think it is a sin to question the origin of doctrines.

Most things in the bible make no sense,
A lot in the Quran aren't rational as well.
Then atheism is what confuses me the most because of it's foundational flaw.

An atheist is someone with no religious beliefs. But an atheist believes there is no God. Meaning an atheist believes in his unbelief which is still a belief.
This alone messes up the concept of atheism and that's why most of us consider them confused.

Nigerian/African Atheists are mostly folks who think they've garnered a little knowledge and just like the butterfly that considered itself a bird, challenge their Chi to a fight.
Some of them become atheists because their Western role models are atheists.

With my limited knowledge in Christianity, Islam and the Occult. I am compelled to accept that higher forces exist. And such higher force can be appealed to.
That's why traditionalists still get results.

So atheists are not as learned as they want us to believe they are because the above proves them wrong.

Based on originality; our religions are borrowed.
Our forefathers were not Christians, they were nor Muslims neither were they atheists?
They were pagans who worshipped deities.
Traditional religion is the true religion for Africans.

And for the records, Catholicism is less of Christianity and more of idolatery.

Yes.

Christianity makes you accept anything without thinking too much. That's why even less knowledgeable people in the name of pastor can use Christians as foot mat and call it spiritual.

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OgogoroFreak:
Yes.

Christianity makes you accept anything without thinking too much. That's why even less knowledgeable people in the name of pastor can use Christians as foot mat and call it spiritual.

They are accepting these things not because they are Christians, but because they are human. Every human being has his own intellect and level of reasoning. As a person, I will never allow someone to do such stupid things to me. Never. I doubt if I even will under the influence of the charms I'm sure they use. Many more people wouldn't. Many others would.
What I'm trying to say is that, not all Christians are brain-washed. Some know the real deal.

The same way there are many atheists who believe in crap and allow crap to be done to them too.

NwaAmaikpe:




Very rational questions asked in this interesting read.
But I'd advice; the ways of man are not the ways of God so most things will make no sense to our mortal wisdom.
We all get to a point where we question what we've always believed.
That point is the beginning of any enlightenment. A point most people are scared of getting to because they myopically think it is a sin to question the origin of doctrines.

Most things in the bible make no sense,
A lot in the Quran aren't rational as well.
Then atheism is what confuses me the most because of it's foundational flaw.

An atheist is someone with no religious beliefs. But an atheist believes there is no God. Meaning an atheist believes in his unbelief which is still a belief.
This alone messes up the concept of atheism and that's why most of us consider them confused.

Nigerian/African Atheists are mostly folks who think they've garnered a little knowledge and just like the butterfly that considered itself a bird challenge their Chi to a fight.
Some of them become atheists because their Western role models are atheists.

With my limited knowledge in Christianity, Islam and the Occult. I am compelled to accept that higher forces exist. And such higher force can be appealed to.

That's why traditionalists still get results.
So atheists are not as learned as they want us to believe they are.

Based on originality; our religions are borrowed.
Our forefathers were not Christians, they were nor Muslims neither were they atheists?
They were pagans who worshipped deities.
Traditional religion is the true religion for Africans.

And for the records, Catholicism is less of Christianity and more of idolatery.

You've made a lot of sense, and I will have to concur with and differ on some points you raised.

Truly, there are several invisible forces that exist in this world.

Like in Igbo Land, 'Iñu iyi', swearing or oath-taking, is the most evident of all. If someone drags you before an Oracle for doing the them wrong, and you swear on your life and on 'ani', the god of the earth, that you did them no wrong, you will die in less than three days if you swore falsely. I don't know if it's done in other cultures too.

Based on Catholicism inclining more to idolatery, I understand vehemently well why you choose to believe so. The bowing to statues and graven images, the rosary beads, the sacramentals and repetitive prayers and several others. It's okay to think that, but then again, Christianity is a thing of the mind.

I choose to believe personally, that those statues, which originally in Christian history, were a replacement for false idol statues, are just to strengthen our imagination. Human beings believe in things they can see. When the priest annoints a statue, human beings believe there is power in that statue. They like to touch it and bow before it, because they believe THE SPIRIT OF JESUS AND THE FULLNESS OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY ARE IN THOSE STATUES.

Isn't that all that matters?

HappyPagan:
Good morning.

I can't speak on behalf of atheists.
I can only speak in behalf of demons, satanists and serpentine spirits.

Let's assume God is a destination, not a being. A place of knowledge, where all information lies.

All life begins from darkness, ignorance, a place without light.

Those who have come before tell their stories, write their past, determine their future. Their journey towards God becomes a reflection of their culture, their history, themselves.

Thus, there will be many paths to God, and everyone will his way at his own pace.

The problem is Christianity is inherently incompatible with other religions.

When Jesus claims to be The Way, it's an indirect affront to all other paths. But, this claim is very powerful, especially in the mind of one who believes.


Atheism on the other dispels the notion that there is God - at least not in the sense fellow humans would like us to believe. Atheism offers no guide to morals, ethics, or culture. It's an empty philosophy, like it's direct equivalent theism.


As a humble demon of large proportions, I think we are more learned than both of you folks. My bum is well adjusted on the fence, in the middle, watching y'all discuss mundane as we soar this world on a large big rock.

Enjoy life. Smoke weeb. Stay bwueautiful. Haopy weekend y'all.

Y is not on d front page.Lalasticlala & Dominique.
Pls Dis na FP material.
D topic go sweet die.
My own comment is onli a fool say der is no god

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SolutionMee:

Atheists are more learned than we Christians.
That's just the undeniable fact.
Apart from being learned, it takes people with real and exceptional courage to directly face reality without relying on myths, supernatural folklores and metaphysical manipulations for existential alteration. Many of us are Christians solely because we can't face reality. We are Christians because we can't face our fears. We take delight by hiding them under the umbrella of our faith and under the canopy of religion.
This is a natural world and it is always expected of us to approach life on earth in the natural way. It makes no sense for a person to be living a supernatural life in a natural world. That's not just the norm. That's more like breaking protocols.
Respects to all atheists out there.
We Christians dey always envy your boldness towards life and it's hidden fears.

Well, you have valid and strong points. I admire that, but I beg to differ.

Atheists truly are courageous people, but that doesn't mean they are more learned or exposed than Christians. An atheist is one who opens his mind to a lot of thoughts which are generally considered sinful, a person who musters enough courage to cancel a belief out of his life. Even though some people are born as atheists, and some are copy-cat atheists.

But then a Christian is also courageous, because it takes a lot of courage to accept that there is a God when a lot of 'ungodly' things are happening. It takes a lot of knowledge and critical thinking to do this: Believe in God, wonder about unfortunate circumstances, and still believe in God. It's not stupidity, rather, it's self-education.

The only reason why atheists seem more learned is because they are counter-argumentative. They have something to say for everything a Christian says. That's just why it seems like they are much more learned than we Christians are.

HappyPagan:
Good morning.

I can't speak on behalf of atheists.
I can only speak on behalf of demons, satanists and serpentine spirits.

Let's assume God is a destination, not a being. A place of knowledge, where all information lies.

All life begins from darkness, ignorance, a place without light.

Those who have come before tell their stories, write their past, determine their future. Their journey towards God becomes a reflection of their culture, their history, themselves.

Thus, there will be many paths to God, and everyone will his way at his own pace.

The problem is Christianity is inherently incompatible with other religions.

When Jesus claims to be The Way, it's an indirect affront to all other paths. But, this claim is very powerful, especially in the mind of one who believes.


Atheism on the other dispels the notion that there is God - at least not in the sense fellow humans would like us to believe. Atheism offers no guide to morals, ethics, or culture. It's an empty philosophy, like it's direct equivalent theism.


As a humble demon of large proportions, I think we are more learned than both of you folks. My bum is well adjusted on the fence, in the middle, watching y'all discuss mundane as we soar this world on a large big rock.

Enjoy life. Smoke weeb. Stay bwueautiful. Haopy weekend y'all.

Let you and I be friends.

computergeek:
Well, you have valid and strong points. I admire that, but I beg to differ.

Atheists truly are courageous people, but that doesn't mean they are more learned or exposed than Christians. An atheist is one who opens his minds to a lot of thoughts which are generally considered sinful, a person who musters enough courage to cancel a belief out of his life. Even though some people are born as atheists, and some are copy-cat atheists.

But then a Christian is also courageous, because it takes a lot of courage to accept that there is a God when a lot of 'ungodly' things are happening. It takes a lot of knowledge and critical thinking to do this: Believe in God, wonder about unfortunate circumstances, and still believe in God. It's not stupidity, rather, it's self-education.

The only reason why atheists seem more learned is because they are counter-argumentative. They have something to say for everything a Christian says. That's just why it seems like they are much more learned than we Christians are.

The christian and the atheist are opposition to each other

I sit on the fence, I observe and I tell you, both parties have their flaws but I'd rather bet on the atheist.

None is more "intelligent" because that term itself is subjectively bias. There's more to learn in life and from each other.

Computergeek,

Intelligence often varies inversely with religiousity and it's agreeable that most atheists are not religious. The decision on whether or not to believe in a God is personal one and often tells a thing or two about ones capacity of independent and critical thought.

NwaAmaikpe,
You were driving at a point until you let your emotions overtake your argument as you bring in paradoxical statements and assumptions about 'most' atheists when perhaps you haven't personally met a number of atheists significant enough to class as 'most'.

People invest energy in what they believe and it works for them. Traditionalism works for some traditionalists. Christianity works for some Christians. Islam works for some Muslims.Humanism works for some humanists. Masonry works for some Free masons. Buddhaism works for some Buddhists. Occult works for some adherents. These are believe systems with learned/unlearned theists, agnostics, atheists etc.

It's apparent that success goes beyond just a believe and the success of an adherent of one believe system doesn't dismiss other believe systems as useless.

Theism and Atheism are empty positions; nothing special. Without individual effort, you're just another homo sapien.
Wherever you stand, think for yourself and seek enlightenment.

Absolutely, Atheism not only make me feel learned but ability to unlearn and relearn as well. Which is in great contrast to faith, You cannot unlearn when you operate in faith, You stuck in it, regardless of the outcome and funny thing about it is, even if the outcome of faith turns out unfavorable, then you would begin to hear them say things like 'Gods knows why,' 'God knows best.' What could be averted by unlearning and relearning now ends up being left to a megalomaniac p imp called God due to faith.

DeSepiero:
Computergeek,

Intelligence often varies inversely with religiousity and it's agreeable that most atheists are not religious. The decision on whether or not to believe in a God is personal one and often tells a thing or two about ones capacity of independent and critical thought.

NwaAmaikpe,
You were driving at a point until you let your emotions overtake your argument as you bring in paradoxical statements and assumptions about 'most' atheists when perhaps you haven't personally met a number of atheists significant enough to class as 'most'.

People invest energy in what they believe and it works for them. Traditionalism works for some traditionalists. Christianity works for some Christians. Islam works for some Muslims.Humanism works for some humanists. Masonry works for some Free masons. Buddhaism works for some Buddhists. Occult works for some adherents. These are believe systems with learned/unlearned theists, agnostics, atheists etc.

It's apparent that success goes beyond just a believe and the success of an adherent of one believe system doesn't dismiss other believe systems as useless.

Theism and Atheism are empty positions; nothing special. Without individual effort, you're just another homo sapien.
Wherever you stand, think for yourself and seek enlightenment.

I like your points. So in essence, what you're saying is that everyone should do what rocks their boat?

aaronson:
Absolutely, Atheism not only make me feel learned but ability to unlearn and relearn as well. Which is in great contrast to faith, You cannot unlearn when you operate in faith, You stuck in it, regardless of the outcome and funny thing about it is, even if the outcome of faith turns out unfavorable, then you would begin to hear them say things like 'Gods knows why,' 'God knows best.' What could be averted by unlearning and relearning now ends up being left to a megalomaniac p imp called God due to faith.

First of all, it's very wrong of you to use such insulting and derogatory words on a Supreme Being that other people believe in. Has anyone else here said such stuff? We are having a matured argument so please clear if you cannot contribute constructively.

If you had read my posts, you would have had at least a couple of simple fact to douse this insulting outburst.

computergeek:
First of all, it's very wrong of you to use such insulting and derogatory words on a Supreme Being that other people believe in. Has anyone else here said such stuff? We are having a matured argument so please clear if you cannot contribute constructively.

If you had read my posts, you would have had at least a couple of simple fact to douse this insulting outburst.

it is what it is, deal with it. I'm so unapologetic and that makes me a bigger A_hole before you, inspired by a none existent entity.

The only apology you getting from me is sorry i badly damage your illusion.

Your thread is quite colourful but I am afraid it is lacking in substance.

It can be summarized thus: The atheist argument is more logical, he seems to be smarter than my peers and I but I choose to cling to Christianity nonetheless. I will continue to ignore the gaping holes he has poked in my worldview and will continue to sing Ave Maria.

Ranchhoddas:
Your thread is quite colourful but I am afraid it is lacking in substance.

It can be summarized thus: The atheist argument is more logical, he seems to be smarter than my peers and I but I choose to cling to Christianity nonetheless. I will continue to ignore the gaping holes he has poked in my worldview and will continue to sing Ave Maria.

Hahahaha. Exactly what I thought.

computergeek:
I like your points. So in essence, what you're saying is that everyone should do what rocks their boat?

Exactly what I believe. But if you make bold public claims about your beliefs like the ability to heal the sick and raise the dead, best be ready to prove it because at that moment no one is going to let you do what rocks your boat. We are going to challenge you for your evidence. Very vehemently.

computergeek:
I like your points. So in essence, what you're saying is that everyone should do what rocks their boat?

Well, to a large extent, believe affects the psychic of a person. It's all in the mind and it's a very individualistic journey. The mind is the man. You may be 'Doing what rocks your boat' wrongly till something triggers that quest to your personal enlightenment and total peace.

I'll close by saying that wherever you belong, it would be wise to 'drop dogma and keep an open mind'. Even Jesus Christ, from what was told of him, wasn't dogmatic as well as many other great minds upon whose teachings religions were formed.

computergeek:

An atheist feels that no wise, learned, educated person should believe in the existence of a Supreme Being, because everything has a scientific and visible explanation.

This is not true! Many atheists would tell you they have met many "wise, learned, educated" people who believe in gods!

computergeek:
An atheist believes, that his anti-God beliefs definitely make him seem way more sophisticated and intelligent than those hogwash-believing Christians, with their uncountable laws and rules and sins and this and that, when they can just love and give and be good to one another.

This is also not true! Many atheists would tell you they have met many atheists who are unsophisticated and unintelligent and outright stupid!

computergeek:
They are accepting these things not because they are Christians, but because they are human. Every human being has his own intellect and level of reasoning. As a person, I will never allow someone to do such stupid things to me. Never. I doubt if I even will under the influence of the charms I'm sure they use. Many more people wouldn't. Many others would.
What I'm trying to say is that, not all Christians are brain-washed. Some know the real deal.

The same way there are many atheists who believe in crap and allow crap to be done to them too.

have you seen such atheist before? Can you show me one??

You can't step on atheists like that without it escalating into a fisticuffs.

NwaAmaikpe:




Very rational questions asked in this interesting read.
But I'd advice; the ways of man are not the ways of God so most things will make no sense to our mortal wisdom.
We all get to a point where we question what we've always believed.
That point is the beginning of any enlightenment. A point most people are scared of getting to because they myopically think it is a sin to question the origin of doctrines.

Most things in the bible make no sense,
A lot in the Quran aren't rational as well.
Then atheism is what confuses me the most because of it's foundational flaw.

An atheist is someone with no religious beliefs. But an atheist believes there is no God. Meaning an atheist believes in his unbelief which is still a belief
This alone messes up the concept of atheism and that's why most of us consider them confused

Nigerian/African Atheists are mostly folks who think they've garnered a little knowledge and just like the butterfly that considered itself a bird, challenge their Chi to a fight.
Some of them become atheists because their Western role models are atheists.

With my limited knowledge in Christianity, Islam and the Occult. I am compelled to accept that higher forces exist. And such higher force can be appealed to.
That's why traditionalists still get results.

So atheists are not as learned as they want us to believe they are because the above proves them wrong.

Based on originality; our religions are borrowed.
Our forefathers were not Christians, they were nor Muslims neither were they atheists?
They were pagans who worshipped deities.
Traditional religion is the true religion for Africans.

And for the records, Catholicism is less of Christianity and more of idolatery.

@Bold

You should have stopped at the first line. The only reason it appears as if atheists believe there is no God is because of the existence of people that believe in a God.

If there were no God-believers in existence, there would be no reason for non-God believers to exist.
This is why there are no people who believe there is no "gwagi the star god".

Ranchhoddas:
Your thread is quite colourful but I am afraid it is lacking in substance.

It can be summarized thus: The atheist argument is more logical, he seems to be smarter than my peers and I but I choose to cling to Christianity nonetheless. I will continue to ignore the gaping holes he has poked in my worldview and will continue to sing Ave Maria.

Hahahaha... I like your summarization, but I'm afraid it's much too rashly put. Anyways, like I said somewhere, it doesn't bother me if I'm being seen as a fool for choosing to believe in extra-human forces, just because atheists seem smarter thanks to their counter-argumentative nature.

But tell me the truth, forget sentimental arguments influenced by inferiority complex, do you believe in super-natural forces? From your own wealth of knowledge as a human, please, answer.

NwaAmaipke desepiero ranchoddass solutionmee

You guys have proven to be very intelligent people, thumbs up

this is my comment

computergeek:
Hahahaha... I like your summarization, but I'm afraid it's much too rashly put. Anyways, like I said somewhere, it doesn't bother me if I'm being seen as a fool for choosing to believe in extra-human forces, just because atheists seem smarter thanks to their counter-argumentative nature.

But tell me the truth, forget sentimental arguments influenced by inferiority complex, do you believe in super-natural forces? From your own wealth of knowledge as a human, please, answer

I don't think religious people are stupid. I just think they have not really examined the issue.

I am not atheist. In fact I attended Salvation Ministries today. I am just not religious and to answer your question; I believe there is something greater.
To expand:
I believe in a Timeless, Infinitely Intelligent First Cause. I think religions in their many guises are the products of man's feeble attempts to explain this Cause. Reminds me of the story of the 7 blind men trying to describe an elephant.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think religious people are stupid. I just think they have not really examined the issue.

I am not atheist. In fact I attended Salvation Ministries today. I am just not religious and to answer your question; I believe there is something greater.
To expand:
I believe in a Timeless, Infinitely Intelligent First Cause. I think religions in their many guises are the products of man's feeble attempts to explain this Cause. Reminds me of the story of the 7 blind men trying to describe an elephant.

Lalasticlala Baba, please for the sake of such interesting posts like this guy's own, move this thread to the front page. Thanks.