brocab:
Well if you were really searching for Jesus you would have had found Him!

Well Jesus called those who are living close to Him back then, many of them knew Him in the neighborhood before He got baptized by John but as for those living in far distance lands, Jesus never expected them to search for Him since they would have their own beliefs and teachings of their gods that's why He commanded His faithful disciples to "go and search for" such honesthearted individuals,preach to them about God's Kingdom and continue teaching them all that He(the designated King of God's kingdom) has commanded so that when He begin His rulership they may be accepted as citizens of God's kingdom! Matthew 28:18-20
So i can't possibly come from a Muslim background and start SEARCHING FOR JESUS whose position in God's arrangement i wasn't taught from infancy,remember when Paul was addressing Timothy, he said "Timothy has been taught from infancy" the things related to the Christ in God's word. 2Timothy 3:15 Therefore it's not a surprise that Timothy knew what to do,unlike me that came from some religion having nothing to do with the teachings of the Christ! True Christians don't just expect unbelievers to come to Jesus my friend, WHY? Because they were commanded to GO OUT in search for deserving ones. Romans 10:13-15

The OP has done well by presenting a group that he feels is preaching,teaching and practicing what Jesus commanded His disciples to do.
So whoever has a contrary opinion should do well to present another group that's better than his own and give vivid proofs just as he outlined 17 facts about an organization that he is presenting. Matthew 5:14-16
No right thinking banker goes out in search of fake currencies, rather bankers PRESENT the one and only legal tender so that everyone can study it closely to know all it's features. Thus whenever any fake currency surfaces people can fish it out!
This is what the OP has done and any right thinking person will understand.
Arguments regarding the meaning of the sacred writings is unwarranted because each person will continue to stick to what his/her religious teachers taught them.
The most important thing now is the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what's written in the Bible and which religious group is helping it's members to benefit from the Bible maximally! Whoever has no group to present yet arguing profusely i suppose is making NO sense!

TATIME:
The OP has done well by presenting a group that he feels is preaching,teaching and practicing what Jesus commanded His disciples to do.
So whoever has a contrary opinion should do well to present another group that's better than his own and give vivid proofs just as he outlined 17 facts about an organization that he is presenting. Matthew 5:14-16
No right thinking banker goes out in search of fake currencies, rather bankers PRESENT the one and only legal tender so that everyone can study it closely to know all it's features. Thus whenever any fake currency surfaces people can fish it out!
This is what the OP has done and any right thinking person will understand.
Arguments regarding the meaning of the sacred writings is unwarranted because each person will continue to stick to what his/her religious teachers taught them.
The most important thing now is the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what's written in the Bible and which religious group is helping it's members to benefit from the Bible maximally! Whoever has no group to present yet arguing profusely i suppose is making NO sense!

Must you belong to a group? When did Jesus say belonging to a group guarantees your salvation?
Jim Jones peoples temple owner told his group the same thing you are saying

"The most important thing now is the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what's written in the Bible and which religious group is helping it's members to benefit from the Bible maximally! Whoever has no group to present yet arguing profusely i suppose is making NO sense!"


From your assessment Jim Jones peoples temple ought to be the true religion. Lol


For your information what concerns a banker looking for fake currency notes? Lol. It's like you are out of arguments.
Currency note isn't bible rather can your assumption be likened to religion.

You think you can deceive right thinking people with your fake currency note and banker gibberish? Lol

No wonder you guys assume different things in your cult and make it your doctrine.

Which right thinking human being will liken a fake currency note to religion? None. Only fools and brainwashed people will swallow your assumption.

TATIME:

Hmmmmmmmmmm, so because you are looking for all means to criticize JWs you can't even see clearly when someone is promoting atheism.
Well for your information Hairyrapunzel is openly against what the true God asked the Israelites to do! therefore since you can't even figure out his thoughts which is totally against divine instruction i suppose there is no need giving you further audience.
The OP has presented what he knew about JWs and it's clear to anyone that he is now one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but if anyone has a contrary opinion then you can do well to point out a better option than JWs organization.
As for your friend, he is against God's decision to destroy unbelievers by means of heavenly forces. Note that he is NOT just against Jehovah's Witnesses alone anymore but AGAINST GOD'S JUDGEMENT as clearly written in the Bible! So if you can't discern such things i suppose there's no reason quoting the Bible for you again since you are ready to be on the side of those against the Bible! Farewell

What concerns you and God's judgement? Are you the one now dishing out God's judgement for Him?

God will stay on his own and TATIME will be thinking of how God wants to give his judgement. Interesting.

You can't quote a bible verse to support your claims that's why you say there is no reason to quote a bible verse.

You that quoted what the bible didn't say. Lol

zodiakzax:


1cor 7:5-6 doesn't say anything about god or gods, you mind is playing tricks with you... where in the Psalms dis Yahweh say His sons are gods? Is that what the verse said?


Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.


For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

Vs 7 days these gods/judges shall die like men and fall like one of the princes. Telling us they are mortals...

Now

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and Lords many,) B[/b]ut to us there is [i]but one God, [/i]the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [b]one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:4‭-‬6 KJV

Evident that there's only ONE GOD UNTO US


Yahweh said talking about other gods that there's no other God apact from me,

I am the Lord , and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 45:5 KJV

Thus saith the Lord , The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.
Isaiah 45:14 KJV


See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Deuteronomy 32:39 KJV

From verse we see that no god with God except Him so The Word cannot be a god with God when God said there's no other god with me. Unless God is stupid to say there's no God except me then says again there are gods and that these gods are true Gods and He is the head of them but God is not stupid to imply that and that's why over and over again He said THERES NO OTHER GOD APART FROM HIM. Paul said there be many so called gods but unto us there's but ONE GOD..

which obviously in vs 7 of 1cor 8 he said not every man has that knowledge, you accuse us of that but guess what we never said there are many gods but ONE, you guys said there are many gods..

It's quite difficult dealing with illiterates. It's just too difficult trying to teach a kid things his mind cannot comprehend... hmmm..

Your brain na sawdust full inside.
U no even know wetin U read for your Bible (1cor8:5,6 & Psalms 82:1,6. na false gods?) talk less of wetin u dey post.
Yahweh did not make Moses the Almighty God neither did Yahweh make Jesus the Almighty God (Moses was a God, as Jesus too was a God) because Yahweh is the ALMIGHTY God, in fact, the Only true God.
Psalms 82:6 is too hard for your mumu brain to understand.

As for your cherry picking on Isaiah48:16,it's proof of poor knowledge of God's word.
Other verses confirmed it's a prophecy about Jesus Christ who was sent ,& endowed with Yahweh's ( holy) spirit.
Christ confirmed it, (Matt 3:16,17. John7:16, Luke4:18-21) whether U like am or not, your rants na noise.

OneJ:



Your brain na sawdust full inside.
U no even know wetin U read for your Bible (1cor8:5,6 & Psalms 82:1,6. na false gods?) talk less of wetin u dey post.
Yahweh did not make Moses the Almighty God neither did Yahweh make Jesus the Almighty God (Moses was a God, as Jesus too was a God) because Yahweh is the ALMIGHTY God, in fact, the Only true God.
Psalms 82:6 is too hard for your mumu brain to understand.

As for your cherry picking on Isaiah48:16,it's proof of poor knowledge of God's word.
Other verses confirmed it's a prophecy about Jesus Christ who was sent ,& endowed with Yahweh's ( holy) spirit.
Christ confirmed it, (Matt 3:16,17. John7:16, Luke4:18-21) whether U like am or not, your rants na noise.

Moses was LIKE God not God.. if my brain is full of saw dust and I can think and understand scripture this way then I wonder what's in yours?

You find it difficult to get around simple English language.. Like I said it's normal with you lots because your organization is against perusing self analyses and research and of course education..


You have failed to defend Isaiah 48:16 all you are saying is totally out of subject in question.. but that's your tactic diverting into another irrelevant verse to support your heretic claims..which verses uses Isaiah 48:16 as a reference to a prophecy of Jesus? Yahweh said Yahweh and His Spirit sent Yahweh..

zodiakzax:


Moses was LIKE God not God.. if my brain is full of saw dust and I can think and understand scripture this way then I wonder what's in yours?

You find it difficult to get around simple English language.. Like I said it's normal with you lots because your organization is against perusing self analyses and research and of course education..


You have failed to defend Isaiah 48:16 all you are saying is totally out of subject in question.. but that's your tactic diverting into another irrelevant verse to support your heretic claims..which verses uses Isaiah 48:16 as a reference to a prophecy of Jesus? Yahweh said Yahweh and His Spirit sent Yahweh..

1) Your last sentence is concrete proof that common sense U no get. Why?
Yahweh did not send himself to himself.
Even U ,zodiakzax can not be messenger to yourself.

2)Throughout the holy scriptures, Yahweh always sent one else to deliver His divine proclamation, for instance, Yahweh sent Moses (Exodus 7:1,2), Yahweh sent Nathan (2Sam12:1)& His son,Jesus Christ (John 7:16)

3) U go fit explain Luk4:18-21,,Isa 61:1, John 17:3,John 8:28, John 3:34. 12:49?

4) Yahweh said to Moses : I have made U God" (Ex 4:16. 7:1,2) Moses was the word of God to Pharaoh.
Moses was God. Jesus was God, not Almighty God.
Moses is a god, also Jesus is a god. But Yahweh is the ALMIGHTY God.( Ex 6:3) .

U dey lie lie say "a god" means "false god".

Fear fear make U abandon your cherished KJV, which u refused to quote...
"The lord (Yahweh) said unto " Moses; See , I have made thee a god to Pharaoh"

TATIME:

i suppose there's no reason quoting the Bible for you again since you are ready to be on the side of those against the Bible! Farewell

talk about pharisee hyprocrisy
you false jw tatime haven't believed any of the very many bible verses posted here showing that the Word Jesus Christ is God
and that Father and Son is YAHWEH, and that Jesus is Alpha and Omega along with the Father, and on and on and on

oh cannot stop lying false jw's
the christian God is the God of the Bible, john 1:1
and many bible verses have been given showing that Father and Son is YAHWEH
and many bible verses have been given showing that Jesus is Alpha and Omega along with Father
and many other bible verses have been posted showing that Jesus is God as well as the Father
Father and Son being two persons in the one God

you on the other hand false jw's unbibically believe in two gods, a almighty god and a mighty god
and you say your mighty god is "a god", hence "a false god", as their is only one true God

johnw47:


talk about pharisee hyprocrisy
you false jw tatime haven't believed any of the very many bible verses posted here showing that the Word Jesus Christ is God
and that Father and Son is YAHWEH, and that Jesus is Alpha and Omega along with the Father, and on and on and on

The word BELIEVE is not applicable in this case because you're quoting just as JWs are also quoting. Whether Jesus is the Almighty or not can't be resolved simply by quoting Bible texts. What Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming is that Jesus always refer to the Almighty as "my father" and God always refer to Jesus as "my son". Of course it's not easy for anyone from any culture on this planet to agree that these two individuals are equals. Equals do refer to each other as either "my partner" "my colleague" "my twin" "my second" and so on.
Jesus said "I and the father are one" (John 10:30) he also said "so that they(His disciples) could become ONE with Himself and God(His father) John 17:21
So to interpret this statement as saying He is the same person as the Almighty becomes difficult,since He used the same term as a unification of His numerous disciples with the Almighty God and Himself!
Therefore instead of continuous argument without a solution, why not enumerate the features of true Christianity as written in the scriptures and allow the audience to discern for themselves which modern day religious group fits in COMPLETELY to such description?

TATIME:
Well Jesus called those who are living close to Him back then, many of them knew Him in the neighborhood before He got baptized by John but as for those living in far distance lands, Jesus never expected them to search for Him since they would have their own beliefs and teachings of their gods that's why He commanded His faithful disciples to "go and search for" such honesthearted individuals,preach to them about God's Kingdom and continue teaching them all that He(the designated King of God's kingdom) has commanded so that when He begin His rulership they may be accepted as citizens of God's kingdom! Matthew 28:18-20
So i can't possibly come from a Muslim background and start SEARCHING FOR JESUS whose position in God's arrangement i wasn't taught from infancy,remember when Paul was addressing Timothy, he said "Timothy has been taught from infancy" the things related to the Christ in God's word. 2Timothy 3:15 Therefore it's not a surprise that Timothy knew what to do,unlike me that came from some religion having nothing to do with the teachings of the Christ! True Christians don't just expect unbelievers to come to Jesus my friend, WHY? Because they were commanded to GO OUT in search for deserving ones. Romans 10:13-15

many of your posts are repeatedly reminding yourself that yours in the true faith
you have to keep reinforcing that lie in you
your false faith is very weak, of course

TATIME:
The word BELIEVE is not applicable in this case because you're quoting just as JWs are also quoting. Whether Jesus is the Almighty or not can't be resolved simply by quoting Bible texts. What Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming is that Jesus always refer to the Almighty as "my father" and God always refer to Jesus as "my son". Of course it's not easy for anyone from any culture on this planet to agree that these two individuals are equals. Equals do refer to each other as either "my partner" "my colleague" "my twin" "my second" and so on.
Jesus said "I and the father are one" (John 10:30) he also said "so that they(His disciples) could become ONE with Himself and God(His father) John 17:21
So to interpret this statement as saying He is the same person as the Almighty becomes difficult,since He used the same term as a unification of His numerous disciples with the Almighty God and Himself!
Therefore instead of continuous argument without a solution, why not enumerate the features of true Christianity as written in the scriptures and allow the audience to discern for themselves which modern day religious group fits in COMPLETELY to such description?

oh babbler tat, they certainly can, but not to a false jw who doesn't believe God
and who changes the meaning of many scriptures that are contary to their false beliefs

TATIME:

Whether Jesus is the Almighty or not can't be resolved simply by quoting Bible texts.

christians believe God's word over their own words

fales jw's believe their own words over God's word

johnw47:


many of your posts are repeatedly reminding yourself that yours in the true faith
you have to keep reinforcing that lie in you
your false faith is very weak, of course

Paul stood before critics and kept proving to them from the scriptures that there's just one group that's rendering ACCEPTABLE sacred services to the God of Moses "CHRISTIANS". Of course those critics are claiming they also believe what is written in the scriptures yet they are furious towards Paul's defence but honesthearted persons can grasp that Paul's words are of PRACTICAL WISDOM. Act 26:28 compared to Isaiah 54:17
So if a true Christian is making a defense of what he/she is practicing as in FAITH, critics will helplessly become envious with grief because inwardly you'll notice that "this is what faith truly means" something that you can explain with strong conviction!
God bless you!

johnw47:

christians believe God's word over their own words
fales jw's believe their own words over God's word

Hen na! So let God be the judge to that but meanwhile,go out there to preach and teach people what Jesus commanded. Matthew 28:18-20 After all He never send you to start arguing with those who won't buy your preaching. Matthew 10:11-15
I suppose Jehovah's Witnesses won't buy your gospel so you should be busy studying the Bible with those who can understand that you're not just inviting them to come and listen to your Pastors. If you've got something tangible to preach and teach of course you'll get a reasonable amount of audience and be able to expand your ministry. Jesus will surely reward you for that!

TATIME:
Paul stood before critics and kept proving to them from the scriptures that there's just one group that's rendering ACCEPTABLE sacred services to the God of Moses "CHRISTIANS". Of course those critics are claiming they also believe what is written in the scriptures yet they are furious towards Paul's defence but honesthearted persons can grasp that Paul's words are of PRACTICAL WISDOM. Act 26:28 compared to Isaiah 54:17
So if a true Christian is making a defense of what he/she is practicing as in FAITH, critics will helplessly become envious with grief because inwardly you'll notice that "this is what faith truly means" something that you can explain with strong conviction!
God bless you!

false jw tat, there of course is no end to your bull
and your continually trying to convince yourself that you are in the right church

you cannot even see because of your hate for the truth that:
that Father and Son is YAHWEH
that Father and Son is Alpha and Omega

you have been blinded and you reject God and much of what He has said and inspired

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:

Hen na! So let God be the judge to that but meanwhile,go out there to preach and teach people what Jesus commanded. Matthew 28:18-20 After all He never send you to start arguing with those who won't buy your preaching. Matthew 10:11-15
I suppose Jehovah's Witnesses won't buy your gospel

i'm not preaching to the lost false jw's, but showing up some of your lies
i've told you that before
but you false jw tatime cannot stop lying

TATIME:
so you should be busy studying the Bible with those who can understand that you're not just inviting them to come and listen to your Pastors.

i'm non denominational and don't have a pastor
i've told you that before
but you false jw tatime cannot stop lying



lying for you false jw tat is just speaking naturally, taking after your daddy:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:
The word BELIEVE is not applicable in this case because you're quoting just as JWs are also quoting.

the word BELIEVE is not applicable to false jw's that's for certain

TATIME:
Whether Jesus is the Almighty or not can't be resolved simply by quoting Bible texts.

it can't for false jw's who don't believe all the bible texts that show the Word Jesus Christ is God

TATIME:
What Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming is that Jesus always refer to the Almighty as "my father" and God always refer to Jesus as "my son". Of course it's not easy for anyone from any culture on this planet to agree that these two individuals are equals. Equals do refer to each other as either "my partner" "my colleague" "my twin" "my second" and so on.
Jesus said "I and the father are one" (John 10:30) he also said "so that they(His disciples) could become ONE with Himself and God(His father) John 17:21
So to interpret this statement as saying He is the same person as the Almighty becomes difficult,since He used the same term as a unification of His numerous disciples with the Almighty God and Himself!

oh duh, father and son always refer to each other as father and son, really

Father is greater than Son in the flesh, but Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God:
Php_2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to Father because in the Spirit He is God-the Word.
Father and the Word is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
many scriptures support john 1:1, many have been posted but false jw's don't believe them and change the plain clear meaning of many

TATIME:
Therefore instead of continuous argument without a solution, why not enumerate the features of true Christianity as written in the scriptures and allow the audience to discern for themselves which modern day religious group fits in COMPLETELY to such description?

there is no solution for you false jw tat, because you don't believe God

and it's been long known that your modern day religious group is a church of your god satan
that false jw's are a people of your god satans church

johnw47:


false jw tat, there of course is no end to your bull
and your continually trying to convince yourself that you are in the right church

you cannot even see because of your hate for the truth that:
that Father and Son is YAHWEH
that Father and Son is Alpha and Omega

you have been blinded and you reject God and much of what He has said and inspired

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Go out there to preach and teach people that father and son is Yahweh! At least you'll be happy doing something for your god. As for Jehovah's Witnesses, we have signed a life treaty with our own God "JEHOVAH" whose son is "JESUS" that we'll continue to preach and teach people that Jehovah "the father" sent Jesus "the son" as an example for all those desiring to live forever. We will NEVER agree that it's the same Jehovah that has come to lay example for us because that's unreasonable to any right thinking person! If Jehovah HIMSELF set the examples by coming in the flesh and passing all the test set before HIM by Satan,how can HE expect Adam's IMPERFECT offspring to pass such test?
So our belief remains that it was one of HIS heavenly creatures HE refers to as sons(Genesis 6:1,2,Job 1:6) that humbled Himself to live in the flesh and serve as an example for whoever wants to be adopted as God's son amongst Adam's offspring! Isaiah 11:10 compared to Daniel 12:1
We're supposed to be God's children through our first human father Adam.Luke 3:38 But since Adam has failed to pass lifesaving information to his children (Deuteronomy 6:6,7) we need another father who will replace Adam and get us connected to our grandfather again. Isaiah 9:6 compared to 1Corinthians 15:45
God bless you Sir, good morning!

TATIME:
True Christians don't just expect unbelievers to come to Jesus my friend, WHY? Because they were commanded to GO OUT in search for deserving ones. Romans 10:13-15

Then who gave you 'your rights to invade people's private lives, without you having the Holy Spirit to guide you-when you keep on knocking but you can't come in..

TATIME:
Well Jesus called those who are living close to Him back then, many of them knew Him in the neighborhood before He got baptized by John but as for those living in far distance lands, Jesus never expected them to search for Him since they would have their own beliefs and teachings of their gods that's why He commanded His faithful disciples to "go and search for" such honesthearted individuals,preach to them about God's Kingdom and continue teaching them all that He

You are mistaken..
{John 1:11-12} He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
His own people didn't receive Him, His brothers didn't believe Him-until He was crucified! And if the JW's existed, they still wouldn't believe in Him-not then, and not now!
Jesus came not to save the righteous 'but sinners, people came from every region, from all directions looking for Jesus, many believed because they seen many miracles others believed the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. "With Us is God!
{Exodus 29:45} "I will dwell among the sons of Israel and will be their God.

TATIME:

I was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses today,it's the good works and fine fruits of the organization that caught my attention!

Make up your mind were you, or were you not a Muslim?

TATIME:

So i can't possibly come from a Muslim background and start SEARCHING FOR JESUS whose position in God's arrangement i wasn't taught from infancy,

OneJ:


1) Your last sentence is concrete proof that common sense U no get. Why?
Yahweh did not send himself to himself.
Even U ,zodiakzax can not be messenger to yourself.

2)Throughout the holy scriptures, Yahweh always sent one else to deliver His divine proclamation, for instance, Yahweh sent Moses (Exodus 7:1,2), Yahweh sent Nathan (2Sam12:1)& His son,Jesus Christ (John 7:16)

3) U go fit explain Luk4:18-21,,Isa 61:1, John 17:3,John 8:28, John 3:34. 12:49?

4) Yahweh said to Moses : I have made U God" (Ex 4:16. 7:1,2) Moses was the word of God to Pharaoh.
Moses was God. Jesus was God, not Almighty God.
Moses is a god, also Jesus is a god. But Yahweh is the ALMIGHTY God.( Ex 6:3) .

U dey lie lie say "a god" means "false god".

Fear fear make U abandon your cherished KJV, which u refused to quote...
"The lord (Yahweh) said unto " Moses; See , I have made thee a god to Pharaoh"

Exodus 7:1 NIV
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.


Ex 7:1 NLT
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh, and your brother, Aaron, will be your prophet.


New American Standard Bible Ex 7:1

The LORD answered Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet.


Why did you use kjv? Thought you said it's a corrupt version so why quote from a corrupt version to prove your point when you reject that version of the bible when Christians use it to judge their case? Hypocrites...

I don't only use KJV i use other versions of the bible except NWT to understand scripture. But it's striking what the NWT says since you believe is the most accurate version...


And your own NWT Ex 7:1

Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.

Guess you will reject the NWT because it goes against your lies
.I'm waiting for you to disregard your own translation... SHAME ON YOU...

I prefer you use your translation henceforth to argue your case became to you it's the most accurate version of the Bible. But if you want to use the kjv alone too then let's stick to kjv that's if you wouldn't get heart attack



Isaiah 48, Yahweh is speaking, vs 16 Yahweh sends Yahweh. I asked you what scriptures referenced that to a prophesy about Christ? These challenges your mind because you lack and refuse the doctrine of the trinity so of course I expected it to look foolish to you because you are already made foolish by your organization..


This verse is so above you that the more you try to inject your own understanding the foolish you seem.

TATIME:
The word BELIEVE is not applicable in this case because you're quoting just as JWs are also quoting. Whether Jesus is the Almighty or not can't be resolved simply by quoting Bible texts. What Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming is that Jesus always refer to the Almighty as "my father" and God always refer to Jesus as "my son". Of course it's not easy for anyone from any culture on this planet to agree that these two individuals are equals. Equals do refer to each other as either "my partner" "my colleague" "my twin" "my second" and so on.
Jesus said "I and the father are one" (John 10:30) he also said "so that they(His disciples) could become ONE with Himself and God(His father) John 17:21
So to interpret this statement as saying He is the same person as the Almighty becomes difficult,since He used the same term as a unification of His numerous disciples with the Almighty God and Himself!
Therefore instead of continuous argument without a solution, why not enumerate the features of true Christianity as written in the scriptures and allow the audience to discern for themselves which modern day religious group fits in COMPLETELY to such description?

can't be resolved by quoting bible texts yet "What Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming is that Jesus always refer to the Almighty as "my father" and God always refer to Jesus as "my son" is from a science text book right?? YOU ONLY SHOW HOW STUPID AND FOOLISH YOU ARE IN THINKING... the claim you hold on to, to support your heresies is also bible texts duhhh so what are you saying

TATIME:
My friend, there is NOTHING to getting yourself killed in places where you're not welcomed with your religion! What Jesus Christ said is "When they are persecuting you in one place, RUN AWAY to another safe place" Matthew 10:23 So whoever is trying to force his religious beliefs on UNWILLING audience is not doing so for Christ!
(1)Jehovah's Witnesses have convinced over 8 Millions following their organization to forgo anything to do with WEAPONS or WARS. Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:3,4
(2)Jehovah's Witnesses have convinced all members to forgo the dirty game called POLITICS. John 6:15
(3)Jehovah's Witnesses have convinced all members to stick to God's original arrangement of marriage "one man,one wife" 1Timothy 3:2
(4)Jehovah's Witnesses have made a global family of like minded members from all races. John 13:34,35,17:20-22
There are many more FINE WORKS of this ONE and ONLY true Christian group that's OBVIOUS to all!
Hellooooooooooo that's what any right thinking individual will desire to know and not all these fruitless arguments of "I understand the scriptures much more than you" in the absence of PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS that's called WISDOM!

Obviously I replied to this and you ignored it. SHOWS HOW FOOLISH AMD IGNORANT YOU ARE IN UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURES!! WELL HERE YOU GO AGAIN..



I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Revelation 2:13 KJV

Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
Acts 12:1‭-‬2 KJV


You are quoting Mathew 10:23, you have forgotten from vs 16 to 39? That's what you do, you use a verse and completely take it out of context

Vs 16: Jesus said He sends the Apostles among wolves,.hostile environment, so Christ is sending us already into a hostile crowd

Vs 17 He said me will deliver them up to councils and they will whip them in their synagogues which again shows that Christ is sending us into a hostile environment where they are unwilling to hear the Word but are forced anyways 

Vs18 that the Apostles shall brought before kings and governors, yet again this done because Christ is sending them to a hostile unwilling environment. 

Vs 21 Christ said brothers shall betray and deliver their own to be put to death and children shall rise against their parents and cause them to be put to death, and for what reason? We see that in vs 

22. AND YE SHALL BD HATED OF ALL MEN COF MY NAMES SAKE BUT HE THAY ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED

Vs 23 Christ tells them to move to another city when they persecute them because there's no time to waste on a city that doesn't accept the gospel, they need to waste no time for the Son of man's coming is at hand, so gospel must be preached on other cities also... they will be persecuted meaning they will be in a hostile environment 

Vs 26 Christ said they shouldn't fear, they can only be admonished not to fear when the environment is hostile hence the strength to preach on without fear

Vs 28 Christ said they will you but do not fear them that only kills the body but cannot kill the soul 

Vs 34 to 39 Christ said he didn't peace but a sword to the earth, many shall rise against his followers but those that will keep their life will lose it and those who will lose their lives for His sake will find it.


Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matthew 24:9‭-‬10 KJV


And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and [b]some of you shall they cause to be put to death. [/b]And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 21:16‭-‬19 KJV

You see how ignorant you are? You see how you are quick to cherry pick verses to suite your lies? You see how you quote out of context? That's how you are trained no doubt...



Antipas was killed for Christs sake and Christ said he was His faithful servant who died for Him (Martyr). Rev 2:13




We saw Stephen dying for the sake of Christ, James dying, all apostles except John dying for preaching Christ, John was even killed several times and Christ rescued him....

Church history tells.how many died for Christ, how many were tortured, burnt, crucified on crosses, given to animals to devour all for the sake of Christ. 


So please if you want to preach in a nice environment Then know that you are against Christ. How Then shall we be persecuted if we don't preach against other beliefs? Ooo ye foolish Jehovah Witnesses how long shall corrupt the gospel, cursed are you, cursed is anyone who doesnt preach and teach the truth

brocab:

Then who gave you 'your rights to invade people's private lives, without you having the Holy Spirit to guide you-when you keep on knocking and you can't come in..

You are mistaken, {John 1:11-13} He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
His own people didn't receive Him, His brothers didn't believe Him-until He was crucified!
Jesus came not to save the righteous 'but sinners, people came from every region, from all directions looking for Jesus, many believed because they seen many miracles others believed the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. "With Us is God!
{Exodus 29:45} "I will dwell among the sons of Israel and will be their God.

Hmmmmmmmmm My friend,no matter how hard you try there's no way darkness can cover the light now. And no matter how much effort you put in,lie can't stand face to face against the truth!
For your first question :Who gave Jehovah's Witnesses the right to knock on people's doors or go to their homes uninvited? Well it's a young guy from Nazareth called Jesus! Matthew 10:11-15 He gave us this command but if we get to a new territory where we don't understand their culture, we must first try to study if they do welcome strangers into their homes with hospitality. Hebrews 13:1,2 So in such cases we won't start immediately going by just from house to house,until we have gotten used to the people there and gradually we'll start making friends who will acquaint us with the local customs.
But as for those "looking for Jesus" it was because they've learnt so much from the scriptures concerning the coming of the Messiah and heard about someone doing things related to all that has been prophesied about the Messiah, so many were searching for Him either to learn from Him what Moses promised about the Messiah (Deuteronomy 18:18) or to get their sick ones cured.
Today Jesus' warning rings in the minds of true Christians. Matthew 13:21
So it's either true Christians go in search of honesthearted individuals to preach to them and teach them what Jesus commanded regarding the kingdom of God or they(true Christians) congregate together to encourage one another. Hebrews 10:24,25
Unbelievers who haven't heard anything about Jesus can't possibly be searching for Him,not even now that there's so much deceit everywhere to the point that even you and your friends CAN'T point to any religious group that's worthy to be called the one and only true Christians. So how do you expect strangers as in nonbelievers to search for Jesus

zodiakzax:


can't be resolved by quoting bible texts yet "What Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming is that Jesus always refer to the Almighty as "my father" and God always refer to Jesus as "my son" is from a science text book right?? YOU ONLY SHOW HOW STUPID AND FOOLISH YOU ARE IN THINKING... the claim you hold on to, to support your heresies is also bible texts duhhh so what are you saying

Thanks for the compliment Sir. I only point to scriptures that Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to dwell upon so that you don't just keep disturbing your brains. What i'm saying is instead of the unwarranted arguments, why not enumerate the features of true Christianity and allow the audience to discern for themselves which modern day religious group fits in to such description.

zodiakzax:



Obviously I replied to this and you ignored it. SHOWS HOW FOOLISH AMD IGNORANT YOU ARE IN UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURES!! WELL HERE YOU GO AGAIN..



I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Revelation 2:13 KJV

Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
Acts 12:1‭-‬2 KJV


You are quoting Mathew 10:23, you have forgotten from vs 16 to 39? That's what you do, you use a verse and completely take it out of context

Vs 16: Jesus said He sends the Apostles among wolves,.hostile environment, so Christ is sending us already into a hostile crowd

Vs 17 He said me will deliver them up to councils and they will whip them in their synagogues which again shows that Christ is sending us into a hostile environment where they are unwilling to hear the Word but are forced anyways 

Vs18 that the Apostles shall brought before kings and governors, yet again this done because Christ is sending them to a hostile unwilling environment. 

Vs 21 Christ said brothers shall betray and deliver their own to be put to death and children shall rise against their parents and cause them to be put to death, and for what reason? We see that in vs 

22. AND YE SHALL BD HATED OF ALL MEN COF MY NAMES SAKE BUT HE THAY ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED

Vs 23 Christ tells them to move to another city when they persecute them because there's no time to waste on a city that doesn't accept the gospel, they need to waste no time for the Son of man's coming is at hand, so gospel must be preached on other cities also... they will be persecuted meaning they will be in a hostile environment 

Vs 26 Christ said they shouldn't fear, they can only be admonished not to fear when the environment is hostile hence the strength to preach on without fear

Vs 28 Christ said they will you but do not fear them that only kills the body but cannot kill the soul 

Vs 34 to 39 Christ said he didn't peace but a sword to the earth, many shall rise against his followers but those that will keep their life will lose it and those who will lose their lives for His sake will find it.


Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matthew 24:9‭-‬10 KJV


And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and [b]some of you shall they cause to be put to death. [/b]And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 21:16‭-‬19 KJV

You see how ignorant you are? You see how you are quick to cherry pick verses to suite your lies? You see how you quote out of context? That's how you are trained no doubt...



Antipas was killed for Christs sake and Christ said he was His faithful servant who died for Him (Martyr). Rev 2:13




We saw Stephen dying for the sake of Christ, James dying, all apostles except John dying for preaching Christ, John was even killed several times and Christ rescued him....

Church history tells.how many died for Christ, how many were tortured, burnt, crucified on crosses, given to animals to devour all for the sake of Christ. 


So please if you want to preach in a nice environment Then know that you are against Christ. How Then shall we be persecuted if we don't preach against other beliefs? Ooo ye foolish Jehovah Witnesses how long shall corrupt the gospel, cursed are you, cursed is anyone who doesnt preach and teach the truth

Sorry Sir, I thought you're claiming to be a Christian! When did Christians begin laying curses on other religions simply because they don't share their beliefs? Matthew 5:44,Luke 6:35
Thanks to God for allowing America to enforce FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and WORSHIP, I keep wondering what persons like you with this kind of heart will do to true Christians. Act 24:1-10
But kind hearted and unbiased individuals in the authorities have rendered you hopeless with all the intense hatred in your heart. Act 26:28
Sorry oooooooo there's NOTHING you can do to true Christians today, the freedom you're enjoying to practice the religion of your choice is the same we are also enjoying. All that hatred you are harboring in your intestine will only remain there, it's your own house that you can stop Jehovah's Witnesses from entering and that is if you even have a house of your own. If you're a tenant, my brothers and sisters will continue to preach and teach in your neighborhood and in the house you're staying!

TATIME:
Go out there to preach and teach people that father and son is Yahweh! At least you'll be happy doing something for your god. As for Jehovah's Witnesses, we have signed a life treaty with our own God "JEHOVAH" whose son is "JESUS" that we'll continue to preach and teach people that Jehovah "the father" sent Jesus "the son" as an example for all those desiring to live forever. We will NEVER agree that it's the same Jehovah that has come to lay example for us because that's unreasonable to any right thinking person! If Jehovah HIMSELF set the examples by coming in the flesh and passing all the test set before HIM by Satan,how can HE expect Adam's IMPERFECT offspring to pass such test?
So our belief remains that it was one of HIS heavenly creatures HE refers to as sons(Genesis 6:1,2,Job 1:6) that humbled Himself to live in the flesh and serve as an example for whoever wants to be adopted as God's son amongst Adam's offspring! Isaiah 11:10 compared to Daniel 12:1
We're supposed to be God's children through our first human father Adam.Luke 3:38 But since Adam has failed to pass lifesaving information to his children (Deuteronomy 6:6,7) we need another father who will replace Adam and get us connected to our grandfather again. Isaiah 9:6 compared to 1Corinthians 15:45
God bless you Sir, good morning!

false jw tatime, you have signed a life treaty with your own false jehovah whose son is a false jesus "a god"


your jehovah is not the Jehovah of the bible, the Jehovah of the bible is God and the Word, john 1:1
and as so many other scriptures show, which you don't believe and would change the clear and plain meaning of

the Jehovah of the bible doesn't have a son that is "a god" hence "a false god" as there is only one true God

the Jehovah of the bible isn't a almighty god with His Son being a mighty god (two gods)

the Son of the Jehovah of the bible rose bodily from the dead

truly your jehovah and your jesus are not the Jehovah and Jesus of the bible


if you want scripture posted for:
1. Jesus being God
2. Almighty and Mighty God being the one God
3. Jesus raised bodily from the dead
4. Jesus being Alpha and Omega

ask

Rom 8:23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 

Bodily redemption: The complete recovery of the body from death and corruption

believers will be bodily raised perfect and immortal, but false jw's say Jesus wasn't
they wonder how he was able to appear in a locked room, smile

redeemed and made immortal bodies will be able to do more than that
and of course the Word is God, after His resurrection He can do anything

He made everything that exists, and false jw's wonder how could He appear in a locked room, laugh

TATIME:
Sorry Sir, I thought you're claiming to be a Christian! When did Christians begin laying curses on other religions simply because they don't share their beliefs? Matthew 5:44,Luke 6:35
Thanks to God for allowing America to enforce FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and WORSHIP, I keep wondering what persons like you with this kind of heart will do to true Christians. Act 24:1-10
But kind hearted and unbiased individuals in the authorities have rendered you hopeless with all the intense hatred in your heart. Act 26:28
Sorry oooooooo there's NOTHING you can do to true Christians today, the freedom you're enjoying to practice the religion of your choice is the same we are also enjoying. All that hatred you are harboring in your intestine will only remain there, it's your own house that you can stop Jehovah's Witnesses from entering and that is if you even have a house of your own. If you're a tenant, my brothers and sisters will continue to preach and teach in your neighborhood and in the house you're staying!

You falsely claim Christ never said we should be killed for the gospel, and when I showed you that infact Christ ordered that we preach and teach in a hostile environment hence the reason for persecution and death , you couldn't defend it anymore but presented a stupid staremet which isn't relating to topic at hand, your organization can never be that of Christ's, true Christians indeed that do not believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus, you are heathens and a cult and if you don't repent you will go to hell and be tormented.... SHAME ON YOU

TATIME:

Thanks for the compliment Sir. I only point to scriptures that Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to dwell upon so that you don't just keep disturbing your brains. What i'm saying is instead of the unwarranted arguments, why not enumerate the features of true Christianity and allow the audience to discern for themselves which modern day religious group fits in to such description.

Well if you were educated and read my words well.you realised you rather made a fool out of yourself by your thread.... but you lots aren't taught to critically examine scriptures and critically think hence the dullness of mind.. no wonder, now i see the reason why Jw's are always failing in school, always blockheaded

johnw47:


false jw tatime, you have signed a life treaty with your own false jehovah whose son is a false jesus "a god"


your jehovah is not the Jehovah of the bible, the Jehovah of the bible is God and the Word, john 1:1
and as so many other scriptures show, which you don't believe and would change the clear and plain meaning of

the Jehovah of the bible doesn't have a son that is "a god" hence "a false god" as there is only one true God

the Jehovah of the bible isn't a almighty god with His Son being a mighty god (two gods)

the Son of the Jehovah of the bible rose bodily from the dead

truly your jehovah and your jesus are not the Jehovah and Jesus of the bible


if you want scripture posted for:
1. Jesus being God
2. Almighty and Mighty God being the one God
3. Jesus raised bodily from the dead
4. Jesus being Alpha and Omega

ask

If you're truly sure of what you're saying on NL,go and teach people that both Jehovah and Jesus are the same person. Jesus commanded His faithful followers to go in search of honesthearted individuals and not sitting down in one place expecting people whose hearts are filled with all the anxieties of life to come to you and start listening to this your "Jesus is the Almighty God" story. Jesus taught what is PRACTICAL so that those willing to get a relief from all the anxieties of life can WORK on His TEACHINGS and become happy! Matthew 7:24-29, 11:28-30
Jehovah's Witnesses preach and teach by EXAMPLES,getting their Bible students acquainted with the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what they're teach. That's what makes each dedicated member fully competent and completely equipped (2Timothy 3:16,17)as lifetime evangelists of Christ Jesus,having plenty to do in words and deeds for the work of our Master, Lord and King! 1Corinthians 15:58
I know you're all pained to the marrow,seeing that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing just all that is expected of true Christians. Well that's the same sign Cain noticed in Abel's works but instead of humbly accepting that his brother's sacrifice has been approved, Cain was so bitter that all his heart is to do away with Abel!