Is atheism really the belief that God does not exist? Not necessarily so, for an atheist actually believes that a god exists, but that, that god is the atheist himself. Hence the atheist feels he is not supposed to submit himself or be a subject to any other god or authority!

So that's why they do not acknowledge the existence of God, because that would mean that they are acknowledging the presence of a higher authority, which of course would be tantamount to them relinquishing their own self-acclaimed godly status, even which they hold so dearly.

Atheism is synonymous with man's acquisition of knowledge, as most atheists are usually very knowledgeable and highly intelligent people, e.g. scientists etc., therefore it's such knowledge which they have that usually fills them with pride, and makes them feel like gods, and hence not to have to be subject themselves to any other authority.

The origin of atheism can be traced to man in the beginning when he disobeyed God and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in order to be as the gods(Gen 3:5), but unknown to man at the time, that was a lie sold him by Satan to deceive him into rebelling against God's his Creator's authority by disobeying his commandment, so that he(man) would lose his God-given authority over the earth to him(Satan).

For man was already made a god over the earth by God his creator, as God had given him authority and dominion over the earth and everything in it that He had made in the beginning(Gen 1:27-28), so that while the earth and everything in it was under man's authority, man himself was under God's authority, so that in other words God was the big G in heaven, while man was the small g on earth!

But unfortunately man who was already a god in that respect chose to believe the lies of Satan that it was the acquisition of knowledge via disobedience that would make him to be as the gods, not knowing that it was actually that his position as the god of the earth that Satan was after and wanted to steal from him.

And so man acquired the knowledge via disobedience and rebellion against God his creator, but instead of being as the gods, he became as the dogs even a subject of Satan, as his position as the god of the earth had been taken over from him by Satan. And it was not until the coming of Jesus the only begotten son of God, who redeemed man from his sins, and hence reclaimed that position back from Satan, that Satan lost that title, as Jesus reduced him back to the position he was in the beginning before he came to man.

And so the atheists should keep deceiving themselves that they are as the gods because of such knowledge which they have acquired and hence not under authority to any other, for it's absolutely impossible not to be under authority to either God or Satan.

But Satan would rather have them believe that lie just as he did to man in the beginning because he knows that if they are not under God's authority, then they are definitely under his!

But for those atheists who genuinely desire to see the proof of God's existence, so that they would Believe in Him, they should understand that that is a very small thing to God to do, for God truly desires for his creation to get to know that He is their God and creator.

But the key thing is that they shouldn't expect God to reveal Himself to them, from the position of arrogance and unwillingness, for then they would only perish in that their ignorance, as that would never happen!

For some of the signs that Jesus showed to his disciples, such as that where Moses and Elijah made an appearance with the Voice of God to crown it all(Mt 17:1-9), only that would have settled the issue of the opposition of the Pharisees to Jesus once and for all. In fact it would have been too much for such ones, speaking of people who saw Moses as their most revered master and kept using his laws as the basis of their persecution of Jesus, so only seeing Moses there with Jesus would have been more than enough for them to believe.

But they were never given such despite that they needed it, because such revelation from God was not meant for those who are raising their shoulder up before God, and questioning him arrogantly because they now feel that they know too much, even the wise and the prudent, but only meant for those who may not know that much but humble themselves before his authority, even the babes!(Mt 11:25)

So the point is that such atheists who truly desire to have such a revelation from God, would have to humble themselves and become as a babe even a little child before God, that is as though they know nothing, for that's only how God would be able reveal such Truths about himself to them.

And they can take a cue from the Pharisee called Nicodemus, who came to Jesus in the night, for even though he couldn't understand a lot of things in that respect, he didn't just as the other Pharisees start asking Jesus intellectual questions as if it was their right for him to tell them, but he humbled himself before God and made the extra effort, which could have cost him his revered position in that respect and came to Jesus alone, even though it was in the night.

And you would be able to see the extent of the revelation that Jesus gave to him as the most popular John 3:16 of the Bible, was part of what Jesus revealed to him, and it was such revelations that saved his soul eternally.

And so despite being a Pharisee himself, he didn't go the way of most of them, and the reason I'm using the Pharisees as an example to the atheists, is because of that which they both have in common, which is being highly knowledgeable and intelligent, and the pride that comes with it.

So for me, this is what I can do for the atheists, because I'm not ready for unnecessary intellectual arguments that would not result in anything of spiritual value. For I know that once someone's heart's lifted up just as the Pharisees before God, it would be impossible for that person to be able to see the truth. So that's that from me on this subject!

jesusjnr:
an atheist actually believes that a god exists, but that, that god is the atheist himself. Hence the atheist feels he is not supposed to submit himself or be a subject to any other god or authority!

Therefore that's why they do not acknowledge the existence of God, because that would mean that they are acknowledging the presence of a higher authority, which of course would be tantamount to them relinquishing their own self-acclaimed godly status, even which they hold so dearly.

This is wrong. you're conflating atheism with autotheism
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/autotheism

anyone who thinks he's god is not an atheist such a person is an Autotheist

OP you are not right about your description of the term Athiest. Make some more research, that’s what you Christians never do. Don’t just listen to the man on the pulpit. They lie to you all the time.

The devil told man that if he ate the fruit of good and evil, he would be like God...

The devil did not tell man that eating the fruit of good and evil will separate him from God who is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.

Man ate the tree and got knowledge. Look at what the knowledge we got has done to mankind...(Knowledge outside God is chaos)

Some of these atheists, especially in Nigeria, have seen paranormal powers in action.

(juju, powers against guns, cutlasses, powers to disappear from a place, occultic Powers for wealth, fame, etc....


When they see it they struggle within themselves.

This struggles within them emanate from the fact that if this powers exist, its operation is not physical...

which means there are powers in the spiritual...and that a higher power will exist in that realm.

Subconsciously, they struggle within themselves, but they push this struggle aside.

That is being smart. They are so smart that they struggle within and put up a belief on the outside.

Some gullible people believe in their smartness and would like to join them...

They fail to realise that any body that denies God and acknowledges the existence of paranormal powers is not smart.

Rather, this is foolishness.

Originakalokalo:

The devil told man that if he ate the fruit of good and evil, he would be like God...

The devil did not tell man that eating the fruit of good and evil will separate him from God who is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.

Man ate the tree and got knowledge. Look at what the knowledge we got has done to mankind...(Knowledge outside God is chaos)

Some of these atheists, especially in Nigeria, have seen paranormal powers in action.

(juju, powers against guns, cutlasses, powers to disappear from a place, occultic Powers for wealth, fame, etc....


When they see it they struggle within themselves.

This struggles within them emanate from the fact that if this powers exist, its operation is not physical...

which means there are powers in the spiritual...and that a higher power will exist in that realm.

Subconsciously, they struggle within themselves, but they push this struggle aside.

That is being smart. They are so smart that they struggle within and put up a belief on the outside.

Some gullible people believe in their smartness and would like to join them...

They fail to realise that any body that denies God and acknowledges the existence of paranormal powers is not smart.

Rather, this is foolishness.

This is the programmed you talking, certainly not the real you. Someday, perhaps some other lives you will remember whom you really are.

It's strange that I'm being accused of using the wrong definition for atheism, even when I clearly spelt out what they hold as the real definition of atheism in my opening question, to show that it was not done in the ignorance of the existence of such a definition but in spite of that knowledge.

Maybe with all of their researching, they still do not know that a formal definition of a word which could be gotten from the dictionary etc., could differ from the definition of the same word in practice, for what i gave was the practical and applied definition of the word.

For what is the use of such a definition, when it's only cosmetic and doesn't truly hold in the human practice of atheism. Therefore I gave the practical definition of atheism instead of that which is only holds in theory because I consider that to be the true definition, as i believe that atheists ought to define the word atheism and not the other way round.

And moreover i never said that atheists worshipped themselves, but that they viewed themselves as gods...So how can a god worship himself?

The truth about atheism would surely set some atheists free!

If you need to misrepresent the atheist position then you are not evincing truth.

One the favourite caricatures the religious make of atheists is that they want to do anything they like. Perhaps such is born out of a projection of what a religious person would consider doing if he/she was left to their own devices. They fail to consider that many atheists reach their conclusions based on rational thought and will thus attempt to be reasonable about their behaviour.

If you think without god you won't behave well then you are actually a bad person masquerading as a good person and it won't be long for your twisted insides to manifest.

LordReed:
If you need to misrepresent the atheist position then you are not evincing truth.

One the favourite caricatures the religious make of atheist is that they want to do anything they like. Perhaps such is born out of a projection of what a religious person would consider doing if he/she was left to their own devices. They fail to consider that many atheists reach their conclusions based on rational thought and will thus attempt to be reasonable about their behaviour.

If you think without god you won't behave well then you are actual a bad person masquerading as a good person and it won't be long for your twisted insides to manifest.

Maybe I may be able to surprise you here a little to let you know that i am actually not one of such religious persons that think being an atheists implies having a bad behavior. In fact I think there are several atheists that are of better behavior than some of those who call Jesus, Lord, Lord!

And if you are familiar with the general characteristics of my several postings here, you'll see that I am one that is very particular and emphatic about having the right attitude to back up your faith because to me if you don't have that, you have nothing!

And therefore i feel that an atheist who has that is better and above a religious person who doesn't, for instance an atheist who helps the poor and the needy is better and above religious person who doesn't, as that saying of Jesus in that respect amongst others gives that impression. For nothing was said of the faith of those ones Jesus told to enter into His Father's Kingdom because they had done those things, that's if they were atheists or not!

Therefore I'd rather have an atheist who does such things and lives a life of righteousness, than a person who calls Jesus, Lord, Lord, and knows all the church language and goes to church regularly, prays and fast, speaks in "tongues" etc., but In their actions and deeds they are like the devil, and the epitomes of wickedness, need I mention any examples as the Pharisees!

So that's not my point about atheism at all, for I would rather have a righteous atheist than wicked church-goer, and if the only condition for a righteous atheist to start acknowledging the existence of God is for him to become wicked in his ways, as such wicked and evil religious folks, I'd prefer he remains where he is there in atheism.

But this is even intended for such righteous atheists, because I feel that they are in the wrong place as they belong here with God since they already have similar characteristics with God so it's just for them to humbly acknowledge Him as their God, and that would be a marriage made in heaven. And I wouldn't even mind exchanging such atheists with those in the church who claim to believe in God and are followers of Jesus but are like Satan in their ways, for such ones in my opinion do not belong in the church!

So I hope you are clearer about my view on atheism now!

I did this for love, not for hate!

For those atheists who truly desire to be set free by the truth!

I am an atheist, not because I like the fancy word or hate God, it's simply because in my search for the "truth" and "enlightenment". I found carefully crafted lies and inconsistencies.
I was in a crusade where Pastor Kumuyi was ministering in Port Harcourt, after the miracle prayer and he asked people to check up themselves. I was looking around, and spotted a couple, the wife was dragging the husband who seems to have stroke on side to stretch forth his hand, you should see the zealousness in woman to confirm healing in her husband, and then the face of the man signalling frustration that nothing happened.
I an atheist was praying for God to ignore my unbelief just this time and help this couple, they really needed that miracle in all honesty.
I watched and waited, nothing happened.
Then time for testimony, there were people with body pains, stomach arches and salvation.
So some of us really want God to be really, but the more we search for him, the more he ghosts.
Until I find sufficient evidence, I'm gonna be agnostic, no hard feelings.

CrazyPros:
I am an atheist, not because I like the fancy word or hate God, it's simply because in my search for the "truth" and "enlightenment". I found carefully crafted lies and inconsistencies.
I was in a crusade where Pastor Kumuyi was ministering in Port Harcourt, after the miracle prayer and he asked people to check up themselves. I was looking around, and spotted a couple, the wife was dragging the husband who seems to have stroke on side to stretch forth his hand, you should see the zealousness in woman to confirm healing in her husband, and then the face of the man signalling frustration that nothing happened.
I an atheist was praying for God to ignore my unbelief just this time and help this couple, they really needed that miracle in all honesty.
I watched and waited, nothing happened.
Then time for testimony, there were people with body pains, stomach arches and salvation.
So some of us really want God to be really, but the more we search for him, the more he ghosts.
Until I find sufficient evidence, I'm gonna be agnostic, no hard feelings.

I feel you bro! But meanwhile make sure that you have what He seeks for in a human being which is a good heart, and I'm pretty damn sure he'd find you just the way He found Abraham, Naaman, Rahab and the likes, for they already had a good heart and were willing to know the truth even before they got to know God!

If that describes you as we speak then humbly ask Him to reveal Himself to you if He's real, and I believe that He surely will. But if not so then you need to become that or at least be willing to do so, for despite that God desires to reveal himself unto man His prime His creation, a bad and wicked heart is not an attractive prospect for Him.

Thanks for sharing this with me though, it's perhaps for atheists of your kind that this thread was actually created for, and I believe that God would soon answer those of you who truly desire to know Him as such, with works that proves His existence beyond the shadow of any doubt, even as He had done in the past!

So watch out for it!

If you are an atheist and you have a good heart, you are in the wrong place, for you belong with God!

If you are atheist with a evil heart, please this is not meant for you oh, except you're willing to turn from your wicked ways, because we already have enough wicked souls in the church, and we don't want to add to them, but we are seriously looking for ways to even dispose of them.

The hunt for atheists with a good heart continues!

jesusjnr:
The hunt for atheists with a good heart continues!

A man who has a god is the same as a slave who has a master. Where is your freedom ?

I told the wicked atheists who are yet unwilling to turn from their wicked ways, that they are not the ones that this thread was meant for, yet they are still here seeking attention.

Well they can remain here for all I care, but they are never going to get my attention because as I already said we already have enough of them in the church already so we don't need any more!

Or is it by force?

jesusjnr:
I told the wicked atheists who are yet unwilling to turn from their wicked ways, that they are not the ones that this thread was meant for, yet they are still here seeking attention.

When they can remain here for all I care, but they are never going to get my attention because as I already said we already have enough of them in the church already so we don't need any more!

Or is it by force?

Wicked atheists Why so pained?

davien:
Wicked atheists Why so pained?

The objective of this thread are the good atheists and the wicked ones who are truly willing to turn from their wicked ways, not for the wicked one who are yet unwilling to change, and turn from their wickedness.

For we already have a lot of such in the church today, and even seeking ways to dispose of them, so that last thing we would want are more of such wicked ones.

The good atheist hunters are here again, to catch them and bring them home to where they truly belong!

Any good atheist in the area this morn?

It's also worth noting that scientific studies has shown that atheists tend to be very lonely, sad people who occasionally lie to themselves. This makes sense considering that most embrace atheism as a result of the brainwashing they received from anti-religious propagandists. (eg. Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Carrier, etc)

rekinomtla:
It's also worth noting that scientific studies has shown that atheists tend to be very lonely, sad people who occasionally lie to themselves. This makes sense considering that most embrace atheism as a result of the brainwashing they received from anti-religious propagandists. (eg. Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Carrier, etc)

You have a point that in respect that they tend to be very lonely people, because the truth is that God is the creator of man, so man can only do so much to live a life consciously without his help.

Now I said consciously because regardless of their beliefs about God, they certainly need God's help to be alive, for if not they would be literally lifeless.

But even though that be the case, there is a palpable void that yet exists in man when he consciously ignores His Creator, which only His Creator can be able to fill to that extent.

So even though they try as much as they possibly could to use everything else to replace Him in that respect, and pretend that they are consciously doing well and OK without Him, within themselves they know that, that is as far from the truth as it could possibly get.

But this usually gets revealed whenever they finally come to the acceptance of the truth that they can't even be consciously complete without God.

And only recently there was an admission of that truth by an atheist here who had just thrown in the towel on atheism, as he acknowledged that this was indeed true, even that he always had that little feeling somewhere inside of him that God truly exists even though he constantly tried to argue otherwise.

Therefore that is pretty much the same with all the atheists, not just on this platform but in the whole world, but they won't dare let you know that until perhaps the day they quit.

I feel though that the dictionary definition of atheism itself is a very small thing for God to handle, because if it's just the belief that God does not exist, then just in one strike of God works that would be sorted out, at least for the time being.

However the problem is if it's atheism by my own definition, similar to what was obtainable in the beginning with man, then that would be much harder, because man already knew then that God existed, yet he rebelled against him because he wanted to be a god himself.

If you think that as an atheist that means you are not a slave to anyone, think again!

If you are an atheist and you really think you are not a slave to any one, then you should keep deceiving yourself!

It's either a person is a "slave" to God or a "slave" to Satan, so choose the kind of "slave" that you want to be, because everyone is most definitely a "slave"!

I'm not a slave of Satan, and I don't want you to remain one!

What? Atheists think they’re gods? Let’s try the gun and bullet test. Would atheist be able to prevent death? No way. The simple truth is humanity wants to continue wallowing in sin while God is all about holiness, perfection, righteousness etc. Since light and darkness cannot coexist, there’s a battle that has been going on since the beginning up to the present.

https://www.nairaland.com/4831069/truth-set-free-john-8

ifenes:


A man who has a god is the same as a slave who has a master. Where is your freedom ?

What if Good God is aware of what you’re saying. The only ones that can get close to him are those that are LIKE him! It’s a bunch of Masters together in heaven. Unlike this earth that’s loaded with pathetic humans that lie to themselves amongst others.

https://www.nairaland.com/4831069/truth-set-free-john-8

theoriginalgood:


What if Good God is aware of what you’re saying. The only ones that can get close to him are those that are LIKE him! It’s a bunch of Masters together in heaven. Unlike this earth that’s loaded with pathetic humans that lie to themselves amongst others.

https://www.nairaland.com/4831069/truth-set-free-john-8

The good God is right here talking to you in my form. The message is you should be yourself and worship no one