stagger:


Winners Chapel has a 15MW gas-powered electricity station in Ota. They supply 20,000 people in Ota and environs. Who are they supposed to pay electricity bills to? To you and your pauperized family? Or to government that has been unable to generate more than 4,000 MW at a time since 1898 when Nigeria started generating electricity?

Nonsense reasoning!

Some of you sheeples have a serious problem, I said over 50% of them, you even had time to bold that part but sadly couldnt comprehend shyt.

Churches & mosque must pay tax

BluntBoy:
These pastors always end up exposing their love for earthly possessions.

Just see how he described the building. It is all about competition and nothing else.

Listen to Oyedepo talk about how far he has come. You will never hear them talk about how many people they have genuinely converted. Instead they measure the progress of their churches using earthly possessions such as edifices and number of church members rather than genuine converts.

not every eyes that is open, that can see and the most difficult person to wake is he who is pretending to be sleeping

do u have an idea the number of people who have become better christains as a result of the word they hear from the pulpil

did u do a research and the result told you these pastors have no plan to get people converted to God

there is no single service that an altar call is not made for people to turn their lives to Christ

fahren:
I ended my post by asking what happened to everything the church handed over to Nigeria?

If Nigeria can't boast of any infrastructure, whose fault is it? The church or public office holders?

It's funny how we keep holding the church responsible for our woes while the people in custody of our collective wealths keep feeding fat and stealing what is ours,

The last time I checked, the church wasn't managing our collective resources,

Maybe I need to remind you that the first schools and hospitals Nigeria had including road and basic amenities were provided by the church

To the last line i ask, which church? Church by white man or by blacks?

When handing it over to government is wrong, what happened to running other massive social structures to uplift the poor and downtrodden as the apostles did? A million more of this church like the millions already in/across the nation will have no effect on society without such social responsibilities being massively practiced as culture and inculcated in members. Church leaders like the apostles have live charity, not just preach it and play it, as practical example as a culture for society to change.

sanfranka2:


mine UK 60k

To pricy Sir but still get my digits from my signature below so we can negotiate

Having the largest auditorium in the world, and attaining a legendary status as poverty capital of the world simply means we are not growing at all, and thousands of prayers won't make us grow.
This big church thing is now a competition, is that what we feel God wants?
We are still not doing better as a nation, even with all our thousand churches.
Churches are now out-numbering schools and banks together

fahren:
I ended my post by asking what happened to everything the church handed over to Nigeria?

If Nigeria can't boast of any infrastructure, whose fault is it? The church or public office holders?

It's funny how we keep holding the church responsible for our woes while the people in custody of our collective wealths keep feeding fat and stealing what is ours,

The last time I checked, the church wasn't managing our collective resources,

Maybe I need to remind you that the first schools and hospitals Nigeria had including road and basic amenities were provided by the church

So in conclusion, we should start building churches everywhere abi, so Nigeria will be the next Rome abi... Oh, for tourist attraction abi, so people far and wide can come and tap from our poverty and corruption anointing... i swear, We are too backward in this country. Instead of diverting the tithes to build health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning, we dey build more churches.... Mighty churches. Lol

NPComplete:
The truth is that we will never know how the church was built. We will never know how much of our collective wealth was donated there by unscrupulous politicians seeking favour from God and support from men. We will never know how much underhanded deals went into realising that project. All we will keep hearing is that it was a miracle.
Funny thing is such miracles are never replicated in building industries, raising the education level, and bringing up innovations the world has never seen before. At this rate in the next 30 years while other nations will be known for their giant strides, Nigeria will only be known for its big cathedrals and mosques.

Exactly my fear, my brother.
We are talking of the biggest auditorium in the world with pride in the poverty capital of the world, what a shame.

BluntBoy:


The church should be taxed then. They can't be enjoying tax exemption and not want to assist the government, especially when they make so much money.

Policies should also be put in place to monitor their finances to check money laundering and put an end to diversion of public funds.

I am a believer in Jesus Christ but I am ashamed of today's churches. If Jesus were here today, he would drive these pastors and their many shady sponsors out of their edifices.

it might interest you to know Mr believer in jesus that the church did not enjoy any tax exemption for those things that had to be imported

pls bring your auditors and come and audit their accounts o.they are waiting for u

if u know the slightest thing about this man of God, u would not open carry ur fone and type what u know nothing about

if you see a good thing celebrate it, after all they didn't ask u to come n drop money to build it.

what evidence do u have to show it was public funds that was diverted.

pls bring ur auditors o...they are waiting for u

OpenYourEyes1:



He has done what interests him. You guys could team up and build the factories yourselves.

so his job as a clergy is to do what interests him? I wish I will be there to see how this grave goes down on the last day. Open your eyes folks THESE MEN ARE ENTREPRENEURS CASHING IN ON THE PREVAILING SITUATION.

Heavance:
Having the largest auditorium in the world, and attaining a legendary status as poverty capital of the world simply means we are not growing at all, and thousands of prayers won't make us grow.
This big church thing is now a competition, is that what we feel God wants?
We are still not doing better as a nation, even with all our thousand churches.
Churches are now out-numbering schools and banks together

Even and soo the small ones inspire mainly to do/achieve these flashy materialistic things the big one do more than undertake massive social responsibilities and care for the poor which missionaries and apostles focused more on.

Heavance:
Having the largest auditorium in the world, and attaining a legendary status as poverty capital of the world simply means we are not growing at all, and thousands of prayers won't make us grow.
This big church thing is now a competition, is that what we feel God wants?
We are still not doing better as a nation, even with all our thousand churches.
Churches are now out-numbering schools and banks together

Exactly even with oil money flowing everywhere, without huge dedication to charity (but much infancies on material acquisitions), by making it a culture like the apostles did, to encourage reduction in selfishness, a million and one more church won't make any social difference.

Jiang:



Some of you sheeples have a serious problem, I said over 50% of them, you even had time to bold that part but sadly couldnt comprehend shyt.

Churches & mosque must pay tax

Bros you get sense... At least the millions generated from them will be put to good use, if used properly.

Is the church the federal government? The Nigerian government is the richest in Africa and the 6th largest producer of crude oil with over 2 million barrels at around 100 usd dollars daily which is about 200 million usd daily sales.

You are not holding the government with this huge revenue accountable, it is the church that has to source money through donations and offering that you are holding responsible.

Skankhunt42:


So in conclusion, we should start building churches everywhere abi, so Nigeria will be the next Rome abi... Oh, for tourist attraction abi, so people far and wide can come and tap from our poverty and corruption anointing... i swear, We are too backward in this country. Instead of diverting the tithes to build health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning, we dey build more churches.... Mighty churches. Lol

Heavance:

Exactly my fear, my brother.
We are talking of the biggest auditorium in the world with pride in the poverty capital of the world, what a shame.

for once Nigeria is on the news for a good thing. a feat not replicated anywhere in the world. something that you should lift up your head and be proud about

but no! the crab mentality that nothing good can happen in this country except it is buttered with stolen funds

meet ur man in aso rock and asked him how he made this country the world capital of poverty

direct your shame to the person u voted for or if not get ur pcv

If you are a thinker and good observer, you will realize that what this people call God is nothing but their oversized ego and their self generated illusion called vision.

The one Solomon built as instructed by his God, where is it today? You people should stop hiding behind one God to fulfill your selfish ambition. There isn't any God anywhere instructing you to build anything pillar-less or dome-ful, you want something beautiful to be associated with and you got it - period.

If there must be a God as you propose, he should know that building material structures for him or on his behalf is an insult to his omnipresence, after all, we have seen crazy structures built by pagans and the so called ungodly people.

Anything material is of the mind, however, I am not against putting up fine structures but we shouldn't forget to put them where they belong; it is nothing but a quest for identity and show of class.

princfred:


To the last line i ask, which church? Church by white man or by blacks?

When handing it over to government is wrong, what happened to running other massive social structures to uplift the poor and downtrodden as the apostles did? A million more of this church like the millions already in/across the nation will have no effect on society without such social responsibilities being massively practiced as culture and inculcated in members. Church leaders like the apostles have live charity, not just preach it and play it, as practical example as a culture for society to change.

if don't know for other churches but I can tell u this church spends so much for charity, more than your greatest imagination.but they don't go around drumming it so as to get ur approval

if your govt would do just 50 percent of what our tax is being meant for. we would not be the poverty capital all the world

pls go to aso rock and and ask Mr corruption fighter what is happening

BluntBoy:


So your pastor and Davido are the same abi.

Even the Bible says that teachers will be judged more strictly.

So, it is much more pardonable if Davido is extravagant or materialistic. We shouldn't expect much from Davido. But when a pastor behaves like that, he would criticised more strictly.

Is Pastor Dr one he spending extravagantly and unwisely for you to be his judge?..
The bible says that they will be judged by you
Read my first post well and digest it bro...

Jiang:



Some of you sheeples have a serious problem, I said over 50% of them, you even had time to bold that part but sadly couldnt comprehend shyt.

Churches & mosque must pay tax

Pay tax to who? Thesame government politicians looting away? Who tax payment epp if not politicians?


Better churches build health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning for disable etc.

fahren:
Is the church the federal government? The Nigerian government is the richest in Africa and the 6th largest producer of crude oil with over 2 million barrels at around 100 usd dollars daily which is about 200 million usd daily sales.

You are not holding the government with this huge revenue accountable, it is the church that has to source money through donations and offering that you are holding responsible.

I never said so... Don't quote me wrong, all I'm asking is what is the need to create a massive church, when the tithes can't be put to good use.... What's the need to create more churches while we keep retrogressing. It's like "church" is the new business. We don't need more churches... My street alone with a population of about 50 people has 4 churches isn't that enough?. Of course, our government is irresponsible... But why can't the churches in Nigeria be responsible?

We need more Churches and there is nothing wrong with having more Churches, if the huge resources from oil is not able to fix Nigeria, is it tithe and offering that will fix Nigeria?

Skankhunt42:



I never said so... Don't quote me wrong, all I'm asking is what is the need to create a massive church, when the tithes can't be put to good use.... What's the need to create more churches while we keep retrogressing. It's like "church" is the new business. We don't need more churches... My street alone with a population of about 50 people has 4 churches isn't that enough?. Of course, our government is irresponsible... But why can't the churches in Nigeria be responsible?

tuoyoojo:


if don't know for other churches but I can tell u this church spends so much for charity, more than your greatest imagination.but they don't go around drumming it so as to get ur approval

if your govt would do just 50 percent of what our tax is being meant for. we would not be the poverty capital all the world

pls go to aso rock and and ask Mr corruption fighter what is happening

They don't need to drum it for people to see it. I can't see health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning for handicapped, homes for homeless widows fatherless built by Churches in my area or littered all over the place like real white missionaries did.

The apostles shared contributions to the poor not ask them to go hold their government for their woes.

If there is no accountability and huge sense of responsibility towards the downtrodden in the Church, where will members of the church who later enter or are in government learn such orientation from?

Heavance:
Having the largest auditorium in the world, and attaining a legendary status as poverty capital of the world simply means we are not growing at all, and thousands of prayers won't make us grow.
This big church thing is now a competition, is that what we feel God wants?
We are still not doing better as a nation, even with all our thousand churches.
Churches are now out-numbering schools and banks together

do u have an idea the number of businesses that folded up due to bad economic policies of government

what have u done as a Nigerian to fight against this injustice

if church is springing up more than banks . is it not an indication that ur government has failed

if with the billions of Naira this country makes, ask your govt where all the money dey go

fahren:
We need more Churches and there is nothing wrong with having more Churches, if the huge resources from oil is not able to fix Nigeria, is it tithe and offering that will fix Nigeria?

Yes it can by Church leaders setting practical examples of huge sense of responsibility towards the downtrodden as a topmost cultural and mental priority for members to learn from which they can replicate when in leadership positions unlike now where the practical lesson from church leaders is yo preach to others but pursue personal property with peoples collection which is exactly what politician who partially or otherwise pass through the Church replicate because it's what they subconsciously learn from the practical doings of Church leaders.


What else did/do/can politicians learn practically from Church leaders to replicate?

princfred:


They don't need to drum it for people to see it. I can't see to build health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning for handicapped, homes for homeless widows fatherless by Churches in my area.

The apostles shared contributions to the poor not ask them to go hold their government for their woes.

If there is no accountability and huge sense of responsibility towards the downtrodden in the Church , where will members of the church who later enter or are in government learn such orientation from?

bros abeg nor vex.which area u dey stay because you are obviously not looking well

chief, I have lost count of the numbers of people under scholarship from the church, the people who feed daily, those who were taught of craft or the other

once again like I said, it is the work of the government to prove the BASIC amenities for its citizens. it is from that foundation the church would build on

what evidence do you have to show u have been putting ur government on their toes to do the thing they promised to do

So where is your own project...? All of you criticising him should rather stop wasting time and get to work, you are a human, whom God made like him and you have a God-given assignment like him, he sacrificed, he disciplined himself and answered the call , and remained consistent, What about you ? Everyone must not pastor a church,their is a gift in every man that should not be left dormant, yours might be the gift of singing, writing, talking,cooking, counselling,teaching,hospitality, words of wisdom etc...come out of your comfort zone and pay the price then get result, stop criticising other people's result!

tuoyoojo:


do u have an idea the number of businesses that folded up due to bad economic policies of government

what have u done as a Nigerian to fight against this injustice

if church is springing up more than banks . is it not an indication that ur government has failed

if with the billions of Naira this country makes, ask your govt where all the money dey go

Please tell them o, the church shall match on and the gate of he'll shall not prevail

tuoyoojo:


do u have an idea the number of businesses that folded up due to bad economic policies of government

what have u done as a Nigerian to fight against this injustice

if church is springing up more than banks . is it not an indication that ur government has failed

if with the billions of Naira this country makes, ask your govt where all the money dey go

Nobody is arguing government failure here. And there is groaning in the society for that to change. But the matter here is what is the church leaders contributing to change that based on establishing a sense of infancies on social responsibilities rather than personal aggrandizements. Because if the Church plays its role well to expose and sub-consciously foist this orientation on its members, there will be avalanche exuberance of care for others by politicians emulating and replicating such ideological concept as a matter of CULTURE

Ebowo:
So where is your own project...? All of you criticising him should rather stop wasting time and get to work, you are a human, whom God made like him and you have a God-given assignment like him, he sacrificed, he disciplined himself and answered the call , and remained consistent, What about you ? Everyone must not pastor a church,their is a gift in every man that should not be left dormant, yours might be the gift of singing, writing, talking,cooking, counselling,teaching,hospitality, words of wisdom etc...come out of your comfort zone and pay the price then get result, stop criticising other people's result!

This is exactly the orientation why you can't hold politicians responsible too. After all don't criticize obvious deviation even based on biblical norms. Sheeple orientation.

tuoyoojo:


do u have an idea the number of businesses that folded up due to bad economic policies of government

what have u done as a Nigerian to fight against this injustice

if church is springing up more than banks . is it not an indication that ur government has failed

if with the billions of Naira this country makes, ask your govt where all the money dey go

Because the government has failed, the church should also fail too abi?.... After all the tithing you will continue paying 1m for school fees in your prestigious GOs university, while you keep using your leggedis Benz, and cueing at the hospital to receive treatment for yourself and your children meanwhile your GOs, pastors and his entire household keep Jetting out overseas for treatment and vacations... Clap for yourself brother Touyo.

princfred:


Nobody is arguing government failure here. And there is groaning in the society for that to change. But the matter here is what is the church leaders contributing to change that based on establishing a sense of infancies on social responsibilities rather than personal aggrandizements. Because if the Church plays its role well to expose and sub-consciously foist this orientation on its members, there will be avalanche exuberance of care for others by politicians emulating and replicating such ideological concept as a matter of CULTURE

if the government has failed, that's the crux of the matter
if like you have an car that the engine knocked and u bought new sets of tires and u r complaining why the car is not driving

let the government do their part and if the church is lacking u can talk about it

if you flow Dunamis, you would know he vehemently critical of bad government policies of this government

he is one of the few fearless people left who is not afraid to address the government

I would strongly advise you to do a little research about Dunamis, research about how its orienting its followers and the charity its doing

Skankhunt42:

Because the government as failed, the church should also fail too abi?.... After all the tithing you will continue paying 1m for school fees in your prestigious GOs university, while you keep using your leggedis Benz, and cueing at the hospital to receive treatment for yourself and your children meanwhile your GOs, pastors and his entire household keep Jetting out overseas for treatment and vacations... Clap for yourself brother Touyo.

Abi ooo. Sometimes i wonder which is supposed to be the standard and bring light - the church or the government? Church will be washing off their hands and referring people to government a terrible government at that. Jesus never referred the hungry followers to government or even to their house but fed them... Black Christians and their black sense.

Skankhunt42:


You sure say you don't take your medication this afternoon?.... Because you no get sense. You are fuc*ing blinded by reality. Mumu

So wat are u driving at??, wat exactly us your point?