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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Reference(m): 2:17pm On Dec 05, 2018
DaAwesome1:

had an uncle in the NE who said the NA is always outgunned by Bh guys with dshka machine guns and anti aircraft guns.. everytime our boys fight for a while then sprint for their lives

grin..yes na, won't you run. There is no soldier who won't run at some point of a fierce battle.

That is why to succeed you must engage them outside their kill zone. You need artillery, mortars or missiles.... or if you have the guts you can hunker down till they run low on ammunition because those things donot come with much due to the weight.... But who will dash you guts when you hear them spitting fire and the ground is shaking.

Abeg, these soldiers are trying and we must support them from the COAS down to the infantryman on the field. They make terrible sacrifices everyday. War is bad, very bad. We need political solutions.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by KingThreatzz: 2:21pm On Dec 05, 2018
Nwibii:

Mr know all in guns, answer this question.
Why were the army killed last week in matete and the surviving ones came online and were saying that the bokoharam were carrying sophisticated weapons while they Nigeria army were just with AK47?

Ak47 is a standard assault rifle used everywhere in the world. Even the US army uses it. However, there are more heavy weapons. The heavy weapons like anti-artillery guns are meant strictly for warfare. Those ones cannot be carried by one person alone.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Shookonekilla: 2:25pm On Dec 05, 2018
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FarahAideed:


Even from your comments I can tell you are just an ignorant dude who knows nothing about weapons ..(mind you I fired my first rifle when I was eight and since then I have fired a lot of rifles including the Almighty Barret M82 .50 cal )

First do you even know why we call a particular weapon a rifle?

When pound for pound comparisons are being made for weapons the following factors are what are considered before rankings are done

1 . Lethality
2. accuracy
3. Reliability
4. Maintenance
5.cost of operation
6.cost of procurement
7sustainability
8. Ruggedity
9. type of Bullet
These are the parameter that are scored from 1-10 then the one with the overall highest scores is considered the " pound for pound" best..

The two weapons the OP posted for the DSS are the Isreali built Tarvor TAR21 and Belgian FN F2000 and believe no Army in world can issue any as their standard issued rifles ..you will find these weapons with only special forces trained for snatch ops .
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You are an ignorant talkative

I won't even bother responding to you

Weakling

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Shookonekilla: 2:27pm On Dec 05, 2018
Sermwell:

you have been fooling yourself here since without giving reasons why tavor is better than AK. this leaves me with no doubt that you don't have any knowledge about weapons. nonsense

In short I say nothing to you

You are what I detest in Nigerians

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Fortune109: 2:31pm On Dec 05, 2018
The AK 47 remains the best war weapon in the world. Most people don't understand why the US military don't use AK47...the AK was developed by the Soviet Union, the Us is a weapon manufacturing entity on their own and it's not ethical to them to use a Soviet/Russian weapon. More like the Nissan CEO driving a Mesedez Benz.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Shookonekilla: 2:32pm On Dec 05, 2018
Sermwell:

you have been fooling yourself here since without giving reasons why tavor is better than AK. this leaves me with no doubt that you don't have any knowledge about weapons. nonsense

If all the reasons I stayed earlier indirectly eluded you then I surgery you leave you dormicle and come to the HRA and enlist with the insurgent so you can be used for Target practice

Cretin
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by FarahAideed: 2:32pm On Dec 05, 2018
Shookonekilla:
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You are an ignorant talkative

I won't even bother responding to you

Weakling

If them born you well respond na ..typical ignorant Nigerian ..Even if you are a soldier I served before you so just know

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by DaAwesome1(m): 2:34pm On Dec 05, 2018
Reference:


grin..yes na, won't you run. There is no soldier who won't run at some point of a fierce battle.

That is why to succeed you must engage them outside their kill zone. You need artillery, mortars or missiles.... or if you have the guts you can hunker down till they run low on ammunition because those things donot come with much due to the weight.... But who will dash you guts when you hear them spitting fire and the ground is shaking.

Abeg, these soldiers are trying and we must support them from the COAS down to the infantryman on the field. They make terrible sacrifices everyday. War is bad, very bad. We need political solutions.
they need Intel,logistics and more armour

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Shookonekilla: 2:38pm On Dec 05, 2018
FarahAideed:


If them born you well respond na ..typical ignorant Nigerian ..Even if you are a soldier I served before you so just know

C& D then
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Rotimi47: 2:49pm On Dec 05, 2018
[quote author=yusufu16 post=73570091][/quote]Ak47 is more reliable than AR 15.
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by otokx(m): 2:50pm On Dec 05, 2018
We learn every day.
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by VectorVee68(m): 2:52pm On Dec 05, 2018
Most of you just come here to paste what you have copied from the net regarding the efficency of the aforementioned rifles, let's face reality you laud AK47 when the boko haram terrorists use GPMG , do you know for God knows how long we have been utilising the AKs in the battle against the insurgents, do you know how many times we have cocked the so called rifle and round failed to enter the chamber, you talk about how tavor is used for close quarter, do you even know the efficiency and calibre? Do you know how close we get to them during a shootout or you think we shoot from afar, We would even prefer using a Trusted Tavor than an AK that would fail after the second magazine.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by azpekuliar: 3:02pm On Dec 05, 2018
IamPlato:
thats An Amazing Cost. The Nigerian Government Can Afford It But Will Never Do That. They Have Hardly Done The Little Things They Should do For The Nation Talkless Of Arming a Soldier At Such High Cost

lol.... cheesy
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by bantudra: 3:08pm On Dec 05, 2018
Shookonekilla:


If all the reasons I stayed earlier indirectly eluded you then I surgery you leave you dormicle and come to the HRA and enlist with the insurgent so you can be used for Target practice

Cretin

dont mind him...he is always yarning blabla and is a ipob sympathizer....

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by bantudra: 3:10pm On Dec 05, 2018
FarahAideed:


If them born you well respond na ..typical ignorant Nigerian ..Even if you are a soldier I served before you so just know

wetin be realy your problem....??...

let him be....

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by eribakeoye: 3:10pm On Dec 05, 2018
IWI tavor the official riffle of the DSS effective range is 550m(550yard)
while AK 47 which the military and police use is just 350 m(350 yard)
whosoever thinks AK is better than Tavor is not right when it comes to effective range
but on ruggedity and easy mentainace AK is better

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Nwibii: 3:16pm On Dec 05, 2018
[quote author=KingThreatzz post=73574549]

Ak47 is a standard assault rifle used everywhere in the world. Even the US army uses it. However, there are more heavy weapons. The heavy weapons like anti-artillery guns are meant strictly for warfare. Those ones cannot be carried by one person alone. [/quote
OK bro, am not disputing that fact, we know AK47 is used globally. How come Nigeria army don't have the "anti-artillery guns" which were supposed to be used against the insurgence in the Northeast,and if they do, why didn't they used it in the matete fight?
Because, some survivors of the matete massacre came online saying the insurgence were better equipped than them, while they were just with AK47.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by PAQ(m): 3:17pm On Dec 05, 2018
Tarvor is an Isreali Assault Rifle with 5.56mm calibre (30 rounds) and an effective shooting range of 550m

Ak47 is a Russian Automatic Rifle with 7.62mm calibre (10- 100 rounds feeding capabilities) and an effective shooting range of 350m

Both Rifles can be modified with IR Holographic sights etc.

The AK47 is the most used/popular firearm in the world today. It has killed more lives than any weapon built in our modern world. So in other words, it is tested and trusted, and used by almost every military and para-military(including ours). Before now we used the Lar rifle, of Danishh origin which is a little similar to AK47 but all iron and not water proof, unlike AK47. It was heavier and had a hard recoil.

The Tavor is new introduced late 90s, it hasnt seen much battle (wars) so its popularity/ acceptance is still low, although its pros outshadows the old AK47; it has a longer range, it is lighter cos its mostly plastic and its more comfortable to shoot (recoil is soft on your shoulders)

The Tavor is almost impossible to see on the black market and very expensive, cost alot more than an AK47. Its availability is strictly controlled. You will almost never see armed robbers with a Tavor compared to an AK47.

The DSS and NIA, dont have the staff strength of the Armed Forces or Police Force, it is easier to procure these expensive FireArms and control their use. With the serious corruption going on in the Armed Forces and NPF, it is almost impossible to over haul their Arms $ ammunitions, besides the AK47s are still functioning well.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by bussy2020(m): 3:21pm On Dec 05, 2018
You can't compare AK47 to that X95 TABO that DSS carry. In terms of effective range and how rugged AK47 is. In water you can still � AK. If you aren't in the game you won't know.
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Iruosonobrugwhe: 3:21pm On Dec 05, 2018
you just saved me some time....people should not exhibit ignorance as facts rather than ask questions. The AK-47 is even more dependable than the US standard combat rifles

FarahAideed:
Pound for pound the AK47 is a better and more deadly rifle by every yardstick ...The Tarvor BullPup is just a carbine for close qtr fire fights and can't stand the AK 47 in any yardstick ..May Ignorance not let us make the wrong choices in Jesus Name

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by jpphilips(m): 3:22pm On Dec 05, 2018
yusufu16:
I think AK 47 is an outdated riffle. Anytime I see DSS officer, my heart just melt.

Why cant our military officers have those modern rifles used by US marines to fight Boko Haram.

Below is what our DSS use.

DSS protect politicians, the army protect Nigerians, that's the difference, the NNSBS a specialized unit in the army uses that Tavor riffle too.
You must understand that Nigerian defense budget is meager as such there are equipment that will never go round rather it is provided for specialized units.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by KingThreatzz: 3:25pm On Dec 05, 2018
[quote author=Nwibii post=73576088][/quote]

Nigerian army has all those weapons. But wit the weapons (gun trucks, Anti-artillery guns) and APCs Boko Haram used for that battle, the military division there was not equipped to suppress them. And many of our soldiers decided to retreat. Now the weapons left by our military in that location will be in the hands of Boko Haram. Thats how Boko Haram keeps waxing. So the problem here is not just the military being under-equipped, it's about the terrorist better equipping themselves too via left arms and weapons purchase with the money they are making from ransoms. Hope it can be resolved soon.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Dami12345: 3:26pm On Dec 05, 2018
fkj950ax:


Short range o. In war, the enemy being far away is just a waste of ammunition. Closer shots guarantee higher kill rates,

If he's in your range. You are in his range.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by BecomeALandLord(m): 3:27pm On Dec 05, 2018
It's just plain wickedness.... Sending innocent soldiers to their early grave.
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by tutudesz: 3:30pm On Dec 05, 2018
Shookonekilla:


C& D then

As a security agent there something you shouldn't say or comment on social media.
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by fk001(m): 3:42pm On Dec 05, 2018
FarahAideed:
Pound for pound the AK47 is a better and more deadly rifle by every yardstick ...The Tarvor BullPup is just a carbine for close qtr fire fights and can't stand the AK 47 in any yardstick ..May Ignorance not let us make the wrong choices in Jesus Name

Finally something sensible came out from you cheesy

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by reformed: 3:51pm On Dec 05, 2018
PAQ:
Tarvor is an Isreali Assault Rifle with 5.56mm calibre (30 rounds) and an effective shooting range of 550m

Ak47 is a Russian Automatic Rifle with 7.62mm calibre (10- 100 rounds feeding capabilities) and an effective shooting range of 350m

Both Rifles can be modified with IR Holographic sights etc.

The AK47 is the most used/popular firearm in the world today. It has killed more lives than any weapon built in our modern world. So in other words, it is tested and trusted, and used by almost every military and para-military(including ours). Before now we used the Lar rifle, of Danishh origin which is a little similar to AK47 but all iron and not water proof, unlike AK47. It was heavier and had a hard recoil.

The Tavor is new introduced late 90s, it hasnt seen much battle (wars) so its popularity/ acceptance is still low, although its pros outshadows the old AK47; it has a longer range, it is lighter cos its mostly plastic and its more comfortable to shoot (recoil is soft on your shoulders)

The Tavor is almost impossible to see on the black market and very expensive, cost alot more than an AK47. Its availability is strictly controlled. You will almost never see armed robbers with a Tavor compared to an AK47.

The DSS and NIA, dont have the staff strength of the Armed Forces or Police Force, it is easier to procure these expensive FireArms and control their use. With the serious corruption going on in the Armed Forces and NPF, it is almost impossible to over haul their Arms $ ammunitions, besides the AK47s are still functioning well.


Correct!!!

So many misleading posts on the thread

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Born2Breed(f): 3:52pm On Dec 05, 2018
Paretomaster1:


I tire for the bros o, he be like say BH boys don treat him fuc*up before..

Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by dometome: 3:59pm On Dec 05, 2018
FarahAideed:
Pound for pound the AK47 is a better and more deadly rifle by every yardstick ...The Tarvor BullPup is just a carbine for close qtr fire fights and can't stand the AK 47 in any yardstick ..May Ignorance not let us make the wrong choices in Jesus Name
You don't know what you are talking about. In an open field AK 47 is good, in an urban setting, it is not good enough, because of space, you need a shorter gun, there are many hiding spots, so if you are to hide, you must hid yourself completely, not when you hide then a part of your gun sticks out in the open, so it depends on situation. AK 47's rival is M16 AR. The M16 is made and closely guarded by the US, while AK47 was actually made by the Nazis, though they did not call it AK47, any ways you can Google it.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by business4all: 3:59pm On Dec 05, 2018
Fortune109:
The AK 47 remains the best war weapon in the world. Most people don't understand why the US military don't use AK47...the AK was developed by the Soviet Union, the Us is a weapon manufacturing entity on their own and it's not ethical to them to use a Soviet/Russian weapon. More like the Nissan CEO driving a Mesedez Benz.

I don’t know what you mean by the best. This is what researchers say about AK47 and American AR15:

Just looking at the side-by-side comparison, one has to give the nod to the AR-15. It is more accurate and offers superior ballistics at long range. The AK-47 is clearly superior for reliability and short-range ballistics, making it an obvious choice for anyone who needs a short-range tactical rifle.

Therefore they both have what they are good at respectively. AK47 is easier to handle. Easy to be disassembled and assembled by soldiers and good for short range fire.

But AR15 is the best for accuracy and longer range fire. No sniper would consider using AK47. That’s what AR15 is good for. Accuracy and longer range.

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Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by reformed: 4:02pm On Dec 05, 2018
We should be talking about newer variants of the AK like the recently developed AK12 and AK15, not AK 47. Even the Russians that invented it have since phased it out.

Tavor over AK47 anytime
Re: Why Do DSS Carry Sophisticated Weapons Than Our Soldiers by Fortune109: 4:09pm On Dec 05, 2018
business4all:


I don’t know what you mean by the best. This is what researchers say about AK47 and American AR15:

Just looking at the side-by-side comparison, one has to give the nod to the AR-15. It is more accurate and offers superior ballistics at long range. The AK-47 is clearly superior for reliability and short-range ballistics, making it an obvious choice for anyone who needs a short-range tactical rifle.

Therefore they both have what they are good at respectively. AK47 is easier to handle, assembled and good for short range fire.

If the AK is more reliable and it is almost at per with the AR-15 in every other aspects, then that explains why the AK 47 remains the first choice of cambatants around the world. People would prefer an AK that is cheaper to maintain, durable and easily available to any other riffle. Remember we are talking about real battle, nobody wants to take the risk.

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