Shookonekilla:
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Please shut up

What is the name of the rifle the dss are carrying?

This is where you see how stupid some people are

Tell me the rounds per minute and the heat value as constant fire of that rifle ?
What is the recoil bias of an ak47 vs that combat rifle the dss use ?
You have done no better.

So many ignorant dummies talking here

Pharaoh9:


stop giving fake news and deceiving people,


what will it cost you to check Google

bantudra:


its a known fact that aks are more rugged....they dont easily jam....

akereconfi:



It's a known fact where?

Who tested it. The main reason why Nigerian soldiers use AK and also Islamic Terrorist is that it's quite cheap compared to its counterpart.

An AR is preferable to AK anyday

Okoyeebos:


The AK 47 commonly seen around fires 600 rounds per minute. Original one does 700.

Tavor does 750 to 900 rounds per minute but it's for close encounters and is not as rugged as the AK.

Before your Tavor rounds can reach a target, the AK has already dropped its target.

The best and most complete AKs in Nigeria are with policemen in the SPU. They are the policemen in blue caps and guard VIPs

FarahAideed:


What are you even saying ? Did you not see where I said the TAvor TAR21 was a carbine for close quarter combat or fire fight .. I said pound for pound the AK47 remains the best assault rifle out there and that's a fact .. The development of the M16 was influence byvyhe success of the AK47 and till date the M16 has not been able to surpass the AK in any assault rifle ranking .... Oga contrary to uninformed opinions like yours the AK 47 was never a copy of the Nazi STG 44 infact apart for the seeming similarity in aesthetic form they have no mechanical resemblance from bolt mechanism to breech mechansim to gas loading mechanism

Blacknight28:
aʟtɦօʊɢɦ tɦɛ aҡ47 ɨs օʊtɖatɛɖ, ɨt ɨs stɨʟʟ tɦɛ ʍօst sʊɨtaɮʟɛ ʄօʀ ċʟօsɛ զʊaʀtɛʀ ċօʍɮat, աɦɛʀɛas tɦɛ taʋօʀ ɮɛɛռ աɨɛʟɖɛɖ ɮʏ tɦɛ ɖss ɨs aռ aʍaʐɨռɢ ʀɨʄʟɛ ʄօʀ ċʟօsɛ զʊaʀtɛʀ ċօʍɮat. ɮʊt stɨʟʟ tɦɛ ʍɨʟɨtaʀʏ ռɛɛɖs ʍօʀɛ sօքɦɨstɨċatɛɖ ɢʊռs ʟɨҡɛ tɦɛ ռɛա aҡ47 ċʊʀʀɛռtʟʏ ɨռ ɖɛʋɛʟօքʍɛռt օʀ ɛʋɛռ tɦɛ aʍɛʀɨċaռ ʍ4 ċaʀɮɨռɛ.

ocelot2006:


Yes, the OBJ-006, a copy of the Chinese Type 56 with its folding integrated bayonet. The rifle was introduced during the OBJ administration.

FarahAideed:


What are you even saying ? Did you not see where I said the TAvor TAR21 was a carbine for close quarter combat or fire fight .. I said pound for pound the AK47 remains the best assault rifle out there and that's a fact .. The development of the M16 was influence byvyhe success of the AK47 and till date the M16 has not been able to surpass the AK in any assault rifle ranking .... Oga contrary to uninformed opinions like yours the AK 47 was never a copy of the Nazi STG 44 infact apart for the seeming similarity in aesthetic form they have no mechanical resemblance from bolt mechanism to breech mechansim to gas loading mechanism

ocelot2006:



The AK-47 is not the most suitable rifle for CQB. As a matter of fact, I'll give that to the CTAR-21 presently used by DSS and the Nigerian Navy SBS. Anyway I think rifles suitable for CQB (CTAR-21, Beryl Carbine) should be left to Special Forces (SBS, AFSF, NAF's QRF, and Police's ATS/CTU) as they more involved in operations in compact spaces (e.g. Hostage Rescue). The present Beryl rifles used by our Special Ops operators should be transferred to the infantry solders. But thats my opinion.

ocelot2006:



The AK-47 is not the most suitable rifle for CQB. As a matter of fact, I'll give that to the CTAR-21 presently used by DSS and the Nigerian Navy SBS. Anyway I think rifles suitable for CQB (CTAR-21, Beryl Carbine) should be left to Special Forces (SBS, AFSF, NAF's QRF, and Police's ATS/CTU) as they more involved in operations in compact spaces (e.g. Hostage Rescue). The present Beryl rifles used by our Special Ops operators should be transferred to the infantry solders. But thats my opinion.

bantudra:


ak is not antik....you are talkin about it as if it was from 200years ago....

anyways it doesnt matter...it can still kill till today....and with our different climate in each region,aks are best suited for us....

what we can do is upgrade it....

ocelot2006:



The AK-47 is not the most suitable rifle for CQB. As a matter of fact, I'll give that to the CTAR-21 presently used by DSS and the Nigerian Navy SBS. Anyway I think rifles suitable for CQB (CTAR-21, Beryl Carbine) should be left to Special Forces (SBS, AFSF, NAF's QRF, and Police's ATS/CTU) as they more involved in operations in compact spaces (e.g. Hostage Rescue). The present Beryl rifles used by our Special Ops operators should be transferred to the infantry solders. But thats my opinion.

Blacknight28:


The beryl is good, but my money is on the M4 carbine anytime anyday

ocelot2006:


There's absolutely nothing wrong with going for upgrades, and I wholely support that. That's why I'm pushing for the adoption of the Polish Beryl, or at least replace the design and materials while maintaining the basic framework of the present OBJ-006 rifle.

Okoyeebos:


The AK 47 commonly seen around fires 600 rounds per minute. Original one does 700.

Tavor does 750 to 900 rounds per minute but it's for close encounters and is not as rugged as the AK.

Before your Tavor rounds can reach a target, the AK has already dropped its target.

The best and most complete AKs in Nigeria are with policemen in the SPU. They are the policemen in blue caps and guard VIPs

ocelot2006:


Nah, we don't need the M4. The stopping power of the M4's 5.56 cartridge is nothing compared to the 7.62 used in the Beryl. Besides making the transition from the AK-47/OBJ-006 to the Beryl will be far easier as they're all based on the AK-47, thus common features available. Finally we won't be susceptible to US arms embargoes if they decide to go crazy.

Blacknight28:


But when it comes to accuracy, u will agree with me that the M4 is dope

bantudra:


if amelika gives us to license to produce them localy,then okay....but we bth know thats not gonna happen....

i dont think its a good idea to be dependent on any nation on earth....relations can turn sour any day....

jonathans miseries should be lesson to nigeria....

the guy was desperate as hell and amelika didnt help....

ttmacoy:
Why can't we design ours instead of waiting for the US? You are right we should not be dependent on any country if not we will always get the short end of the stick.

Calibrator:
Though corruption is still rampant in the country.

After all the kickbacks have been deducted from the defense allocation.
It is more economical to arm the military with Aks than the AR 15.
Don't underestimate the power of Ak 47, it is 70% more rugged than the AR 15.


Besides America's defense budget alone is more than the entire budget of your country.

tutudesz:

Nigeria Military are far behind in term of weaponry and underfunded. Everybody is busy arguing about about which primary gun better, forgetting about the side arms or kit which the military needs with the present security situation.

Blacknight28:


But when it comes to accuracy, u will agree with me that the M4 is dope

bantudra:


interestin that you mentioned polish...do you know that buhari was lately in poland....??...maybe he is still their...who knows what he was sighning....mr globetrotter....

kiiiikikikikiki

ocelot2006:


Correction: the M-16 was NEVER influenced by the AK-47. The Galil, R4, Valmet were, but NOT the M-16. And yes the German STG-44 did have an influence in the AK-47's design.

bantudra:


if amelika gives us the license to produce them localy,then okay....but we both know thats not gonna happen....

i dont think its a good idea to be dependent on any nation on earth....relations can turn sour any day....

jonathans miseries should be lesson to nigeria....

the guy was desperate as hell and amelika didnt help....

ocelot2006:


Absolute true. The Americans screwed us over during the GEJ administration. Thank God for the Russians, Czechs, China, and the Pakistanis.

ocelot2006:


So we should still continue with antique weapons? Don't our troops deserve better? If our neighbors can get more modern standard issue rifles for their basic infantry troops, why do we issue Nigerian soldiers far less because a Politician wants to buy a house in Maitama for his mistress? That's the problem with Nigeria and it annoys the hell out of me.

Reference:


No sir. The Tavor is not considered a battlefield weapon in these parts in that it spots 5.56mm ammunition which has an average bullet weight of 4 grams and powder for a maximum effective range of 250 metres. Traditionally we prefer 7.62mm ammo which has a 9 gram jacket and has more powder to propel it to an effective kill at 400 metres.

Every soldier I knew preferred to engage the enemy at a further distance and I can imagine if you are faced with a charging horde of militia men you want to start taking them down further out and especially out of PED range.

Two. I cannot expect any serious infantry to use a lower calibre that the adversity it is fighting.and the AK appears the standard weapon for militia the world over.

The 5.56mm ammo does have its advantage. It is lighter and so you can carry more and can be more effective for close combat.

Lastly. And most important to any soldier is reliability. There is currently no rifle in the world that can match the AK for reliability. Even the Americans with more sophisticated AR's, Colts and Bushmasters will tell you when their special forces get into battle, they inevitable complete difficult missions with the AK and our armed forces donot have the same maintemace and replacement capabilities of those nations.

The summary is: every mechamic, cook, cobbler, painter, sportsman or woman will most likely perform and succeed using the tools most familiar, reliable and comfortable dor them.

I had only a brief stinct with the AK in my time and we used to call it a toy back then due to its light weight and melodic sound in rapid fire. We grew using the German H&K G3, before the Belgian FN and then our government went completely East bloc.

In terms of personal infantry fire arms there is absolutely nothing wrong with our set up. What we need are the other elements that a fighting unit needs. Communication devices, battlefield analysis devices, command and control devices, updated heavy weaponry such as mortars, mines and HEAP artillery pieces and of course updated training. That's all.