oyin44:
Foolish people....since kanu and his henchmen..had no military leg to stand upon..why not try politics ..on the Question of Nigerian unity,l agree with Buhari....

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NO!

For economic and social good, Nigeria is better united in autonomously decentralised Diversities than gravitating, as we are doing now, into some kind of Military set/style of unitary Feudalism.

Jokes apart,

The Muslims, Buhari and Tinubu do not understand the Hell into which they are gaming for and leading Nigeria.

wirinet:

On the Basis of popular support from their people on the biafra issue and on issues of common purpose. If all the igbo politicians and igbo business elites and masses advocate for Biafra, Northern politicians would be forced to listen.

Popular support of which people sir
It appears some of us are idealistic on this so called political approach to attaining a referendum. Northern politicians, forced to listen? This people wey I dey watch their plenary sessions so? Wey of you talk Wetin no favor them, them go jump on top your head wan bite your ear. Unless you mean a new generation of pragmatic northern politicians in the future.

Ever other region has some parasitic interests in Nigeria outside the Niger Delta or south south, so it's the south south that holds the ace for obvious reasons.
The igbos need the support of the South South to get any traction on their Biafra agitations, but instead of courting the south south, the igbos are arrogantly trying to force their Biafra agitations on the south south.
If the igbos can get the south south to agitate for Biafra, the North would be forced to listen.

I agree on your point about an alliance but I strongly disagree on the bolded. Same way activities on social media do not translate to electoral results on the field, don't make the mistake of equating the antics of trolls as the reality on ground.

Politics is politics anywhere in the world. You negotiate based on your advantages and weaknesses. You give and take. It is not easy, but it is more effective than the alternative - war.
Niger Delta was able to agitate for an increase in derivativation, from 0% in 1999 to 13% presently, the goal is between 25 - 30%.

I will only agree with you on the bolded if you can openly say with a straight face that our politicians, even remotely, consider national interest above their personal enrichment. Can you?
Also, has the said increase translated to improved living standards for the ND people? Can these funds be accounted for?

The Yorubas were able to negotiate with the north for the presidency after their tribesman was denied same in 1993.

And their time in leadership benefited their region how? Is it not thesame Obj who was a puppet of the North. What is the essence of such negotiatiation if you only end up playing a script.

The Ogonis are still agitating for clean up of their environment and reparations for decades, they have even won numerous court judgements against shell both locally and internationally. The FG has even claimed to have started the clean up after an elaborate launching. Even though the FG and Shell are still playing games , eventually, they would be forced to accede to the agitations of the Ogonis.

This point alone, I fit buy you beer if we meet, cos you just summarised my reasoning. Do you need to lobby for the government to carry out their responsibility. This cat and mouse game, is it the politics we are talking about. To me it's deliberate sabotage cos if the government is interest in their affairs this shouldn't even be a topic for discussion at this level.

You draw oil that feeds the country's economy and you mess up the environment, thereby eliminating the micro economy (fishing and aqua-business) of the locals, yet you need a court judgement to do the needful and still drag feet after getting same?
I'm waiting for who will explain to me how this is not sabotage.

You have not provided your opinion the alternative to the political process. Do you advocate for Kanu and his group to continue to disturb the peace of the South East? Do you advocate for Kanu and his group to put the lives of ordinary south east citizens who are not members of IPOB at risk?
Do you advocate Kanu insulting and threatening ordinary Fulani citizens and calling them all sorts of names, thereby putting the lives and businesses of ordinary igbo people in the north at risk?

Disturbing peace how? By riots and violent protests?

Put lives of citizens at risk how? I thought government is ignoring the call for referendum so why attack unarmed protesters who are creating awareness. It's funny you have no problem about the government using armed military to halt civil disobedience when our borders are lacking such resources. What about the extra-judicial assassination attempt, you're cool with it, yes? Why so eager to silence Nnamdi Kanu who is undergoing court proceedings on your own turf.

I find the bolded rather amusing. All the previous violent protests in the north were also caused by Nnamdi Kanu? A cartoonist in Denmark did a craft about Mohammed, northerner wreaked havoc in Nigeria...was that Nnamdi Kanu too? Somebody is awakening your mind to what is clearly a constant occurrence that we only leave to God to judge and you're saying these. I weak o bros. I withdraw my beer.

Warship:
As an IPOB member, I agree with you and that is why I have argued with other IPOB members to look into this call for boycott and ask themselves if it will get us a Referendum.

Kanu should focus more on building our military capacity and international support necessary to help us exploit a CRISIS capable of attracting UN Referendum.

Hope people like Banom, Donelli, kanubiafra and all Biafrans will understand.

You guys calling for armed conflict, I don't think you understand the severity of what you're saying. The international support you're even referring to, what is their interest...is it not still the oil? Once war breaks out all those people will want to make maximum profit and the war will probably continue for decades. Who loses...us, all round.

Is it not better to lobby these international allies via economic arguments?
Q: But it has never happened anywhere in the world, what makes you think it will?
A: What makes you think it won't... There's always a first time.

Nnamdi Kanu already pointed out he is not for war anyways, but a peaceful process.

Please don't mention me on this matter in the future. I dont buy it.

Donelli:

You guys calling for armed conflict, I don't think you understand the severity of what you're saying. The international support you're even referring to, what is their interest...is it not still the oil? Once war breaks out all those people will want to make maximum profit and the war will probably continue for decades. Who loses...us, all round.

Is it not better to lobby these international allies via economic arguments?
Q: But it has never happened anywhere in the world, what makes you think it will?
A: What makes you think it won't... There's always a first time.

Nnamdi Kanu already pointed out he is not for war anyways, but a peaceful process.

Please don't mention me on this matter in the future. I dont buy it.

UN Referendum can never be given except there is a CRISIS.

Therefore, it is expedite we prepare for that crisis.

Have you asked yourself what KANU meant when he said he is bringing HELL when he returns.?

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Warship:



UN Referendum can never be given except there is a CRISIS.

Therefore, it is expedite we prepare for that crisis.

Have you asked yourself what KANU meant when he said he is bringing HELL when he returns.?

He told you himself?

artofseduction:


So the whole plan of boycotting an election is to start a guerrilla warfare with FG?
Or full warfare using Montevideo convention?

i know thats the part you are most likely to pick on. but let me explain, "consent of the governed" (pls google it) is what validates a government to excercise soveriegn power and authority over a people, or region or an area. what this means is that you cannot rule over anyone without thier consent this consent is what is given as mandate in elections so once it is withdrawn from any government then that government loses legitimacy. that is what the boycott will do. yes the int. community will show thier own concern. in a true democray soveriegnty belongs to the people nigeria is in a democracy its not "monarchy". and its also a "republic" pls do well to google those words. government comes and goes but the people remain. cos the people own the government not any individual. you can't rule over people without thier consent

Donelli:

He told you himself?

A crisis had to be triggered before the UN will bother coming in. Thousands of lives had to be lost for the UN to have justification. Yugoslavia, Eritrea and South Sudan are recent examples.

victorvezx:

A crisis had to be triggered before the UN will bother coming in. Thousands of lives had to be lost for the UN to have justification. Yugoslavia, Eritrea and South Sudan are recent examples.

Bro, the world is changing constantly. Don't assume the fact that it was done that way before to mean it will always be that way. The new world order (coming of the antichrist if you please) is pro-world-peace. Even with all the tension and talks about WW3, it might not happen in the next decade or two sef.

Donelli:

You guys calling for armed conflict, I don't think you understand the severity of what you're saying. The international support you're even referring to, what is their interest...is it not still the oil? Once war breaks out all those people will want to make maximum profit and the war will probably continue for decades. Who loses...us, all round.

Is it not better to lobby these international allies via economic arguments?
Q: But it has never happened anywhere in the world, what makes you think it will?
A: What makes you think it won't... There's always a first time.

Nnamdi Kanu already pointed out he is not for war anyways, but a peaceful process.

Please don't mention me on this matter in the future. I dont buy it.

"The ignorant are a reservoir of daring. It almost seems that those who have yet to discover the known are particularly equipped for dealing with the unknown. The unlearned have often rushed in where the learned feared to tread, and it is the credulous who are tempted to attempt the impossible. They know not whither they are going, and give chance a chance."
(Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the human condition)

Warship:



UN Referendum can never be given except there is a CRISIS.

Therefore, it is expedite we prepare for that crisis.

Have you asked yourself what KANU meant when he said he is bringing HELL when he returns.?

thats my point and thats what i think ipob is driving at un wont even look down here except crisis erupts. for them to do anything there must be a political crisis or at least a constitutinal crisis that can't be handled down here especially if it will lead to
war crime
genocide
crime against humanity
and crimes against the statutes of rome. just see how un responded to arewa youths quit notice. since ipob issue they keep quiet until that quit notice and after it war withdrawn did you notice thier silence? and on a good day since ipob issue riot never happens in the north anymore cos they know just one crisis and un will be here over night

orisa37:
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NO!

For economic and social good, Nigeria is better united in autonomously decentralised Diversities than gravitating, as we are doing now, into some kind of Military set/style of unitary Feudalism.

Jokes apart,

The Muslims, Buhari and Tinubu do not understand the Hell into which they are gaming for and leading Nigeria.

first..l"m a Christian not a Muslim....tribalism and sectionalism were mounted against us and abuses hurled at us... among you people...l won't voice out my thoughts on the issue of secession..surely history will speak ...To kanu and his henchmen ...l need not tell you what horror,what devastation and what extreme human suffering..it would be..but when it 's all over and the smoke and dust have lifted and the dead are buried..we shall find as other people have found ..ok thanks

artofseduction:
M engaging u

Pls be logical with your points and don't throw tantrums


Can u in all honesty explain to me how boycotting elections will give you referendum and give examples of countries where it has worked.


Let me give you reasons why IPOB Should participate fully in politics.

First the present occupant of that seat i the worst person IPOB will wish to be there.

The Python dance u re seeing now is d tip of the iceberg cos he is coming back for another term. But come next year, na crocodile dance una go c.

First thing first
Get someone who will even dialogue with u instead unleashing military on u.


Separatist all over the world involve themselves in politics
Scotland
Catalonia
Kurds
Ireland's
California
Etc

In absence of this, d only option left for IPOB is to rebel and since you don't have the fire power. So what else?

IPOB should've adopted.a political party even if u can't muster presidential candidate

Have governors, National Assembly members

Take over the SE Political block and from their u plan economically and politically.


Lets be honest with ourselves.

PRIDE is KANU PROBLEM.

Boycotting elections will worsen our situation.

IPOB was declared a terrorist organization because the Governors advised the F2F 2 do so.


Imagine if IPOB controls the SE political block.

Wallahi, the FG would've given them a referendum.

They can even push for an independence government, lobby the international communities politically.

Dre is something these Igbos don't understand.

The UN will never give u referendum because its being controlled by countries that have separatist agitations in their home countries.

If they do, they will be giving them hope to push forward their own demand.

These includes
USA (California )
UK (Scotland )
Spain (Catalonia )
Russia (Crimea /Ukraine etc)
CHINA (Taiwan)

If these countries has separatist issues in their own countries
While will they want to risk it to give Biafran referendum.

IPOB should open their eyes and stop swallowing whatever jargons KANU throws at them people.

You are 100 per cent correct the worst of part of it is that some of my fellow igbo men have began to behave like Northerners that never questioned

their leaders decision they now agreed on whatever Nnamdi kanu and IPod told them without asking questions.if we boycott election next year will that give us Biafra what will happen to us if buhari win next year so we going to suffer another 4 years in hand of buhari just because we want to make Nnamdi kanu happy to boast his Pride that he is charge of South East.

kanubiafra:
i know thats the part you are most likely to pick on. but let me explain, "consent of the governed" (pls google it) is what validates a government to excercise soveriegn power and authority over a people, or region or an area. what this means is that you cannot rule over anyone without thier consent this consent is what is given as mandate in elections so once it is withdrawn from any government then that government loses legitimacy. that is what the boycott will do. yes the int. community will show thier own concern. in a true democray soveriegnty belongs to the people nigeria is in a democracy its not "monarchy". and its also a "republic" pls do well to google those words. government comes and goes but the people remain. cos the people own the government not any individual. you can't rule over people without thier consent

Your theory is killing u.

Just elucidate how you intend to use boycotting elections to pressure FG to give you referendum?

You keep quoting theory upon theory that has never worked in a developed democracy talk more of where Military can open fire in a day, bury them in mass graves and nothing happened.

Not even the so called UN.

See bros, the way you people are going about this even in 100 generation to come Biafra will still not be achieved.


Clamoring for restructured Nigeria is the easiest part.

Since we re nit the only region that wants it.

From there we can push in for total independence.

Use your sense and be realistic.

victorvezx:

A crisis had to be triggered before the UN will bother coming in. Thousands of lives had to be lost for the UN to have justification. Yugoslavia, Eritrea and South Sudan are recent examples.

What about Myanmar, Syria, Libya, Palestine and kurdistan? The lives lost so far in these places is not enough for the UN to intervene?

artofseduction:

Your theory is killing u.
Just elucidate how you intend to use boycotting elections to pressure FG to give you referendum?
You keep quoting theory upon theory that has never worked in a developed democracy talk more of where Military can open fire in a day, bury them in mass graves and nothing happened.
Not even the so called UN.
See bros, the way you people are going about this even in 100 generation to come Biafra will still not be achieved.
Clamoring for restructured Nigeria is the easiest part.
Since we re nit the only region that wants it.
From there we can push in for total independence.
Use your sense and be realistic.

you thinks un works like that ? you think un will just call for a ref for one day boycott guy its series of events not a day job. and who even told you un will give a ref? it will simply advice nigeria un try resolve it by suggesting a ref but wont do it except there is crisis of boy kind

Donelli:

On the bolded, I'm still curious on what basis the persuasion will be. You've mentioned, and I totally agree, that the bone of contention is oil. You should also note that if we're talking about Igboland strictly it is not just the SE cos the mapping of states was deliberately done to keep the SE on wrong footing. Yes, SE is landlocked (coincidence or deliberate?) but Igboland is not. Again, if it is a fact that the SE is not relevant and the SS is not interested in Biafra, is it not common sense to put that hypothesis to a test via referendum and "kill" this Biafra thing once and for all? Oh wait, it won't happen because the government will keep ignoring the demand for referendum but still deploy military might to suppress unarmed protesters who they want us to believe they are ignoring.

A secession of the SE might lead to the Niger Delta fighting to form their own republic so that they would control 100% of their oil. The SW seeing that there is no oyel money again would also look to secede to solely enjoy the gains of being Nigeria's industrial hub and commercial nerve centre and gateway. All that VAT that Lagos are generating - they would want it to stop going to the North. These are the threats of allowing breakaway groups and the sensitive realities we have to navigate. Not insulting other people as "unity beggars" in a "zoo" as if the SE is that important to everybody: a region that is the least cosmopolitan in Nigeria with the lowest population of non-indigenes.
The FG deployed military might because Ipob were nuisances who generated provocative hate speech, and political thuggery that would have eventually led to violent conflict. Of course the FG overreacted and killing unarmed protesters is a moral outrage, but it was the state governors of the SE that asked the FG to intervene.

The FG keep ignoring demands for referendum because it is not made by consequential people. Who the hell is Nnamdi Kanu - an unemployed, uncouth riffraff from the UK, to tell the FG what to do? How many of your elected representatives have you lobbied to represent your Biafran interests before the National Assembly? Which politician in the whole of Igbo land at any tier of government was elected on the platform of advocating the Biafran cause? WHy couldn't Osita Chidoka, who expressed solidarity for the Ipob cause, get even 2% of votes in the Anambra elections? You see why Ipob is an unserious intellectual movement who prefer empty noisemaking to coherent strategy, when they couldn't even mobilize support for sympathetic politicians and preferred to shout "zoo" upandan? How many of the Igbo elite (politicians, businessmen, corporate executives, industrialists, academics and intellectuals and authors, royal fathers and prominent traditional rulers etc) ever raised their voice to support the Ipob cause? How many? In Catalonia for example, plenty of their elite class (including even football figures like Guardiola and Pique) support secession from Spain? Name prominent Igbos that support the Biafran cause? Again, who the hell is Kanu for the FG to take him seriously? If Ipob are too lazy to mobilize support through political advocacy, then they can either pick up weapons and fight or shut up.

You made so many interesting points here I don't even know where to start. However, do you think it's reasonable to lobby for basics to be provided? Does the FG not know how many kilometers of federal roads it has to construct across the country? Do we really need lobbying for the FG to construct major federal roads, I mean in a sane environment, should this even be discussed. I'm thinking lobbying should come into play if I am requesting for some "special" projects like, maybe, siting a university in my state or constituency.

What happened to the 3R's that was agreed on after the civil war. Do we also need to lobby for that too?
Let's not become so intelligent that we fail to see simple realities. We are still being punished for daring to challenge the government in 1967, I make bold to say so.

The issue is not whether the SE is marginalized or not. That is not the point of my argument. The point is the strategy that Ipob have chosen which makes zero sense. I have never in my life heard a group that claims dissociation from politics is the solution to their problem rather than looking to reform the political system. If you're abandoning the political process, the only other strategy that makes sense is taking up arms to fight a war. Anything inbetween that like I said is a whole lot of empty noisemaking. Boycotting elections like I said earlier would be the equivalent of a prisoner in the Holocaust death camps in World War 2 going on hunger strike. If your jailers are already planning to kill you, why would they care if you eat or not? If the FG that are marginalizing you keep on winning elections while you keep on boycotting, what have you changed? Why would Buhari or his APC successor (who won't be Igbo for sure) care whether the SE votes or not? The less votes from the SE, the better for them, since the SE offers bloc votes to their opposition. Why would they care if you vote or not? What would you have achieved?

On this I state again, if actually the government doesn't care if we boycott elections why were combined military forces sent to Anambra during the last governorship election. They told you it's to maintain peace abi?

Ipob made a lot of threats before the Anambra elections. The harassed Obiano in a church service, and desecrated the funeral of Ezeemo's family. Naturally, there were fears on election day, they'd cause trouble. The FG were there to keep the peace. It is your right to stay at home during elections. It is not your right to disrupt and intimidate voters. That is a crime. They don't care about our boycott. They care about keeping the peace during elections. Massive police presence is always mobilized during elections in every state, so Anambra was no different. And after all the noise Ipob made, more people voted in Anambra's last elections than the one 4 years earlier.

banom:


Are you saying you are not imagining the out come of the fact that an entire section of a country wilfully refuses to participate in an election?

1) There will never, ever, ever, ever be a time that the entire section of Igbo land willfully refuse to participate in elections. Never. At worst, if 1 million people are supposed to vote, maybe 500,000 will come out. That 500,000 will be tallied and results announced.
2) Even if theoretically, such mass disenfranchisement happened, the only people it harms are those that don't vote. It doesn't harm anyone else? Why would a man in Kano or a Ogun give the slightest fucckks about whether Abia or Ebonyi people vote or not. How does it affect Usman or Adewale? The only result is that politicians will win elections without the votes of SE people. And because the SE people didn't support the government in power, then that government will naturally focus on areas that strengthened its coalition, so that it will continue to get votes from those areas? If you disenfranchise yourself, you strip yourself of power and accomplish absolutely nothing.

kanubiafra:
i know thats the part you are most likely to pick on. but let me explain, "consent of the governed" (pls google it) is what validates a government to excercise soveriegn power and authority over a people, or region or an area. what this means is that you cannot rule over anyone without thier consent this consent is what is given as mandate in elections so once it is withdrawn from any government then that government loses legitimacy. that is what the boycott will do. yes the int. community will show thier own concern. in a true democray soveriegnty belongs to the people nigeria is in a democracy its not "monarchy". and its also a "republic" pls do well to google those words. government comes and goes but the people remain. cos the people own the government not any individual. you can't rule over people without thier consent

Consent of the governed? Your naivety is cute. Those are idealistic and sound good on paper, but in the real world, in America (paragon of democracy) the US North went to war with the South when the South, with overwhelming support from the Southern people, wanted to secede from the union. Nigerian democracy is like centuries behind the UK, and even the British government for decades frustrated all efforts at a Scottish referendum. Come back down to the real world and adjust to reality. An uncouth, disorganized group of noisemaking nuisances can't just demand a referendum and expect to be taken seriously. Not just polite advocacy, but uncouth, crude, deranged ultimatums while insulting and denigrating other Nigerians. It bemuses me that Ipob followers just can't see the reputational damage that Kanu's cult does to their movement.

oyin44:
first..l"m a Christian not a Muslim....tribalism and sectionalism were mounted against us and abuses hurled at us... among you people...l won't voice out my thoughts on the issue of secession..surely history will speak ...To kanu and his henchmen ...l need not tell you what horror,what devastation and what extreme human suffering..it would be..but when it 's all over and the smoke and dust have lifted and the dead are buried..we shall find as other people have found ..ok thanks

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What do you think about granting Full Autonomy of Police Security, Resource Control and Election Control to all our 36 States? And let them, I mean our 36 States MAINTAIN F.G as Liaison Presidency by uniform 10% Contribution of each State's earnings.

Donelli:

Bro, the world is changing constantly. Don't assume the fact that it was done that way before to mean it will always be that way. The new world order (coming of the antichrist if you please) is pro-world-peace. Even with all the tension and talks about WW3, it might not happen in the next decade or two sef.

What about the war and crisis in Myanmar, Syria, Libya, Palestine and kurdistan? lol. World powers like USA, Russia and China are using the wars and crisis to make billions by selling expensive weapons. There will be nothing like world peace.

Donelli:
He told you himself?

From your response, it shows that you do not listen to Radio Biafra

artofseduction:


Your theory is killing u.

Just elucidate how you intend to use boycotting elections to pressure FG to give you referendum?

You keep quoting theory upon theory that has never worked in a developed democracy talk more of where Military can open fire in a day, bury them in mass graves and nothing happened.

Not even the so called UN.

See bros, the way you people are going about this even in 100 generation to come Biafra will still not be achieved.


Clamoring for restructured Nigeria is the easiest part.

Since we re nit the only region that wants it.

From there we can push in for total independence.

Use your sense and be realistic.

Your idea is not the only way to achieve independence.

If IPOB prepares militarily and exploit a CRISIS capable of attracting UN Referendum, it is finished for Nigeria.


For now, IPOB should focus more on building its international and military powers capable of securing Biafrans right to self determination through UN Referendum.

wirinet:

What about Myanmar, Syria, Libya, Palestine and kurdistan? The lives lost so far in these places is not enough for the UN to intervene?

Palestine now has a state approved for them due to their armed struggle unfortunately, they insist on having Jerusalem as their capital and that is why they haven't been officially independent.

Syria do not have secessionists but groups who want a change of government.

Myanmar Rhonygia Muslims are internationally not recognized as citizens of Myanmar but laborers who came during the days of the British.

No Libyan group is interested in establishing a separate country of her own.

Kurdistan is the only secessionist group scattered in 4 countries that are determined to go to war against UN in order to prevent the establishment of Kurdistan Republic but Kurdistan enjoy great autonomy in Syria, Turkey, Iran and Iraq.


UN will definitely set foot on Nigeria if a serious CRISIS erupts.

Obi1kenobi:
A secession of the SE might lead to the Niger Delta fighting to form their own republic so that they would control 100% of their oil. The SW seeing that there is no oyel money again would also look to secede to solely enjoy the gains of being Nigeria's industrial hub and commercial nerve centre and gateway. All that VAT that Lagos are generating - they would want it to stop going to the North. These are the threats of allowing breakaway groups and the sensitive realities we have to navigate.

Now you see why your talk about lobbying does not sound practical to me. Other regions have more to gain in a Nigeria than as different entities. You forget also that in the course of a separation, the commerce you mentioned will be affected. If Lagos is generating all that income from ports, what happens when Igweocha, Warri and Calabar ports becomes fully operational. Don't you think more than 50% of revenue will be lost by Lagos cos I'm sure the SE will rather do ports business with a ND republic than Oduduwa if you consider closeness.

The FG deployed military might because Ipob were nuisances who generated provocative hate speech, and political thuggery that would have eventually led to violent conflict. Of course the FG overreacted and killing unarmed protesters is a moral outrage, but it was the state governors of the SE that asked the FG to intervene.

Power tussle...that's all. If it's about the interest of the safety of their states' citizens, I should remind you that when the rampaging herdsmen attacked villages in Enugu, the governor didn't take any military action but called for prayers.
The influence of Nnamdi Kanu is a slap on their faces.

The FG keep ignoring demands for referendum because it is not made by consequential people. Who the hell is Nnamdi Kanu - an unemployed, uncouth riffraff from the UK, to tell the FG what to do? How many of your elected representatives have you lobbied to represent your Biafran interests before the National Assembly? Which politician in the whole of Igbo land at any tier of government was elected on the platform of advocating the Biafran cause? WHy couldn't Osita Chidoka, who expressed solidarity for the Ipob cause, get even 2% of votes in the Anambra elections? You see why Ipob is an unserious intellectual movement who prefer empty noisemaking to coherent strategy, when they couldn't even mobilize support for sympathetic politicians and preferred to shout "zoo" upandan? How many of the Igbo elite (politicians, businessmen, corporate executives, industrialists, academics and intellectuals and authors, royal fathers and prominent traditional rulers etc) ever raised their voice to support the Ipob cause? How many? In Catalonia for example, plenty of their elite class (including even football figures like Guardiola and Pique) support secession from Spain? Name prominent Igbos that support the Biafran cause? Again, who the hell is Kanu for the FG to take him seriously? If Ipob are too lazy to mobilize support through political advocacy, then they can either pick up weapons and fight or shut up.

I'll respond by pointing out again that Nnamdi Kanu is not IPOB. He is only a leader who echoes the wishes of the many voices demanding for freedom. Meanwhile, let's not make the mistake of assuming that IPOB begins and ends in Aba or Igweocha or Upper Iweka (Enough said).
Secondly, all those congregation of politicians we have in Igboland are political jobbers, sycophants and self-enriching entities. They have not the interest of the common man, I am not deceived by anyone trying to feign sympathy to IPOB's cause to garner sentiment for political points and that is why they feel Nnamdi Kanu is a threat to the empire they are building.

Also, if those strong terms you echoed are actually the sentiments of this government, then it is a shame that an organised(?) government is consistently outwitted by a riffraff. Why is the Nigerian government always on the reacting side struggling to put up a coherent defence? Again, why has there not been any international caution on IPOB activities and Nnamdi Kanu if he is falling out of line? These are simple questions a lay man will ask.

The issue is not whether the SE is marginalized or not. That is not the point of my argument. The point is the strategy that Ipob have chosen which makes zero sense. I have never in my life heard a group that claims dissociation from politics is the solution to their problem rather than looking to reform the political system. If you're abandoning the political process, the only other strategy that makes sense is taking up arms to fight a war. Anything inbetween that like I said is a whole lot of empty noisemaking. Boycotting elections like I said earlier would be the equivalent of a prisoner in the Holocaust death camps in World War 2 going on hunger strike. If your jailers are already planning to kill you, why would they care if you eat or not? If the FG that are marginalizing you keep on winning elections while you keep on boycotting, what have you changed? Why would Buhari or his APC successor (who won't be Igbo for sure) care whether the SE votes or not? The less votes from the SE, the better for them, since the SE offers bloc votes to their opposition. Why would they care if you vote or not? What would you have achieved?

We shall take stock in due course.

artofseduction:
Clamoring for restructured Nigeria is the easiest part.

Since we re nit the only region that wants it.

From there we can push in for total independence.

Use your sense and be realistic.

Pray tell, who is leading the call for restructuring so far?

victorvezx:

What about the war and crisis in Myanmar, Syria, Libya, Palestine and kurdistan? lol. World powers like USA, Russia and China are using the wars and crisis to make billions by selling expensive weapons. There will be nothing like world peace.

Good you recognize that fact. Civil war and armed crisis is a business when it does not involve you. US and Russia have been squaring up for years, North Korea has been grimacing at South Korea, China and India thesame... Who go draw first blood.

Warship:
From your response, it shows that you do not listen to Radio Biafra

Why if I ask you simple question you go dodge but you dey demand say I go answer your own. I ask again, did he tell you himself or you just assumed because he said he will bring hell that must mean a coalition of UN forces to invade Nigeria.

Shebi na "I will destroy the zoo..." naim him talk wey put Nigerian Army on battle mode whereas the statement ends "...with the truth".

Donelli:

Why if I ask you simple question you go dodge but you dey demand say I go answer your own. I ask again, did he tell you himself or you just assumed because he said he will bring hell that must mean a coalition of UN forces to invade Nigeria.

Shebi na "I will destroy the zoo..." naim him talk wey put Nigerian Army on battle mode whereas the statement ends "...with the truth".

He said it in his first broadcast after his reappearance.

Go to YouTube and download Nnamdi Kanu's Speech for 2018.

Warship:



He said it in his first broadcast after his reappearance.

Go to YouTube and download Nnamdi Kanu's Speech for 2018.

I listened. Did he specifically say he is bringing armed conflict or you assumed so. That's what I'm asking you.

Donelli:

Now you see why your talk about lobbying does not sound practical to me. Other regions have more to gain in a Nigeria than as different entities. You forget also that in the course of a separation, the commerce you mentioned will be affected. If Lagos is generating all that income from ports, what happens when Igweocha, Warri and Calabar ports becomes fully operational. Don't you think more than 50% of revenue will be lost by Lagos cos I'm sure the SE will rather do ports business with a ND republic than Oduduwa if you consider closeness.

It sounds far more practical than calling for election boycotts. Again, as I have continued to repeat, every country in the world resists balkanization and I don't expect Nigeria to be any different. It will not be easy to successfully lobby our way out of the union. It would certainly take years of assiduous effort - probably decades. Probably never. The chances are still tens times higher than the current Ipob strategy which has ZERO chance of accomplishing anything. You are still yet to tell me what the next step is after you continue to be ignored in your election boycott. What next? A strategy only makes sense when you can make reasonable projections. What comes next after your boycott?

I suppose you mean inconsequential.
I'll respond by pointing out again that Nnamdi Kanu is not IPOB. He is only a leader who echoes the wishes of the many voices demanding for freedom. Meanwhile, let's not make the mistake of assuming that IPOB begins and ends in Aba or Igweocha or Upper Iweka (Enough said).
Secondly, all those congregation of politicians we have in Igboland are political jobbers, sycophants and self-enriching entities. They have not the interest of the common man, I am not deceived by anyone trying to feign sympathy to IPOB's cause to garner sentiment for political points and that is why they feel Nnamdi Kanu is a threat to the empire they are building.

Also, if those strong terms you echoed are actually the sentiments of this government, then it is a shame that an organised(?) government is consistently outwitted by a riffraff. Why is the Nigerian government always on the reacting side struggling to put up a coherent defence? Again, why has there not been any international caution on IPOB activities and Nnamdi Kanu if he is falling out of line? These are simple questions a lay man will ask.



We shall take stock in due course.

No, I meant consequential. Read the sentence again.
Nnamdi Kanu is Ipob, and Ipob is Nnamdi Kanu. Ipob is not an open space for ideas. It is entirely reflective of the tyrannical whims of the person they declared "supreme leader". It is more a cult of Nnamdi Kanu than a serious intellectual movement. If Nnamdi Kanu didn't call for election boycotts, we wouldn't be here arguing about it.

And don't delude yourself. IPOB are no different from those politicians. Power ultimately corrupts and Nnamdi Kanu is certainly a man corrupted by power. Hence the disgraceful images of people bowing and genuflecting and prostrating before him and kissing his feet and he accepted the reverential treatment rather than selling his movement as one of comradeship. Where are all those leaders of Niger Delta militants who claimed they were fighting for their people? Many of those militants like Tompolo, Asari Dokubo and Boyloaf are billionaires today from amnesty deals while their people live in the same squalor. If your politicians are incompetent, or they're corrupt, or they don't represent your interests, change them. Elect new officials. Wield the power that Ipob claim to have to effect grassroots change. That is hard work that shows you know what you're doing. Marching in the streets and shouting "zoo" upandan, and abusing Buhari and Fulanis is lazy and useless. If that is the only way Ipob can wield power, then it is an utterly useless organization. This is why serious intellectual movements should be led by people of intellect and steady temperament who can chart intelligent strategies and involve those they represent to contribute in an open space of ideas. If you leave your movement in the hands of crude, uncouth riffraffs, your movement would be one of riffraffs and no one would take you seriously. Again, name me any prominent Igbo sons that support Ipob. Why do you think they don't?

Nnamdi Kanu has not outwitted anybody. He has not made one shred of difference to the Nigerian political space. He hasn't attracted international condemnation because the international community don't care about him and he's irrelevant to them. They're not exactly lining up to support or endorse him.

Obi1kenobi:


Consent of the governed? Your naivety is cute. Those are idealistic and sound good on paper, but in the real world, in America (paragon of democracy) the US North went to war with the South when the South, with overwhelming support from the Southern people, wanted to secede from the union. Nigerian democracy is like centuries behind the UK, and even the British government for decades frustrated all efforts at a Scottish referendum. Come back down to the real world and adjust to reality. An uncouth, disorganized group of noisemaking nuisances can't just demand a referendum and expect to be taken seriously. Not just polite advocacy, but uncouth, crude, deranged ultimatums while insulting and denigrating other Nigerians. It bemuses me that Ipob followers just can't see the reputational damage that Kanu's cult does to their movement.

well i'm not worried about what nigeria does to biafrans. advanced democracies do same. freedom as they is not freely given