thebosstrevor:


Thanks for your very good contribution. i love how objective you were

justwise:
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Its not modern day slavery because you and your kids are benefiting from the system, you enjoy the social amenities, security, good education and health care. You are basically using what you paid for which is not the same in Nigeria.

If you don't migrate to those countries they will still fund those sectors with your contribution.

justwise:
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Its not modern day slavery because you and your kids are benefiting from the system, you enjoy the social amenities, security, good education and health care. You are basically using what you paid for which is not the same in Nigeria.

If you don't migrate to those countries they will still fund those sectors with your contribution.

Beautyaddy:


I still maintain what I stated earlier that all those bitterness of excuses you listed in your post till kingdom come it still will not change people's adamant minds of what they what to do about their lives or how they feel about the current very sad state of Nigeria.

leonard002:
congratulations!!!

Beautyaddy:


It is very obvious toboy didn't know the meaning of that word "modern day slavery"

To not go far with giving out countless examples of it happening presently in Nigeria...is ASUU still on strike? Yes, that's a typical example of "modern day slavery."

thebosstrevor:


you are trying hard to justify people travelling out instead of building their own country.

how will they fund those sectors with your contribution if you dont migrate?

NONNYG:
like seriously

toboy:


Hey Justewise, First time I am ever getting a direct quote from you. Such an honour!

It depends on the angle you see it from. Alot of immigrants are realising how difficult it is to raise children in the West. First, your generation will loose a greater part of their African identity and some parents do regret raising their children in the West. Suffice to say that raising your children here, they risk being white-washed and loosing important virtues such as family, respect for elders, community etc. which are very important to their core-identity and mental health. Secondly, a lot of parents are now contemplating if it is worth it to raise their children in an environment where they have the tendency and fear of being racialised right from childhood till their entire life. Whereas a person raised in Nigeria is sheltered away from racism or police brutality. One of the Nigerian family I met here suggest raising kids in Singapore. An environment where they can get good education and be sheltered away from racism and drugs.

In terms of good education and health care you can get definitely get them in Nigeria. There are international standard school systems in Nigeria depending on your socio-economic status. Some of the high school educational system in Nigeria pay higher tuition fees than a Canadian university, annually. You are right in terms of security, as I mentioned earlier Nigeria has a big security problem than it seems.

The Western system is built based on "extractive principle". Their system will suck 80% from you, then give you 20%. It is important to consider and weigh all options carefully. Take US., for instance, only 10% of the elites in that country owns 77% of the country's wealth. This is
a striking inequality that is worse off than Nigeria.

justwise:


I honestly don't think you learned anything during your travels, What percent of Americans/British/Canadians population etc are immigrants and how much do you think they pay into the system?

You don't have to live in Nigeria to be able to contribute

justwise:


You just jumped to a completely different topic which got nothing to do with your previous post.

If you like raise your child in a church a bad child will be a bad child, days are gone when moral standard is higher in Africa, infact kids are more likely to be abused or raped in Africa with little or nothing to be done about it than in the west.

thebosstrevor:


why should i contribute to a society i dont live in

what i know is that american citizen and Green Card Holder who go out of the country to work are suppose to pay both local and U.S. income tax

thebosstrevor:


interesting, i dont know what you are talking about

i hope you know that drug abuse, police brutality, gun violence, rape is high in the US

African moral standard are higher.

why do you try so hard just to defend developed countries. you are basically jut obsessed with the western materialism and consumerism,

justwise:


You just jumped to a completely different topic which got nothing to do with your previous post.

If you like raise your child in a church a bad child will be a bad child, days are gone when moral standard is higher in Africa, infact kids are more likely to be abused or raped in Africa with little or nothing to be done about it than in the west.

justwise:


You just jumped to a completely different topic which got nothing to do with your previous post.

If you like raise your child in a church a bad child will be a bad child, days are gone when moral standard is higher in Africa, infact kids are more likely to be abused or raped in Africa with little or nothing to be done about it than in the west.

justwise:


Your level of thinking surprises me..definitely not in a positive way.

justwise:


Your level of thinking surprises me..definitely not in a positive way.

thebosstrevor:


interesting, i dont know what you are talking about

i hope you know that drug abuse, police brutality, gun violence, rape is high in the US

African moral standard are higher.

why do you try so hard just to defend developed countries. you are basically jut obsessed with the western materialism and consumerism,

thebosstrevor:


i am not comparing but i believe we can create a good country if we all build our country

transfer of skills is important, if we want to be a developed country

Ugosample:


I read his comment and I was laughing hard to myself

Africa don cast in that regard too


What you think you are 'saving" your child from in the west is abundant in Nigeria

Who would have thought 20 years ago that many Nigerians IN Nigeria will come out as homosexual and a cross dresser

Today, it's rampant

as for drug abuse, it's equally rampant (worse in the north tho)

The wild life common amongst youths in the west is same in Nigeria

So how do you think a child raised in Nigeria will automatically be better off JUST because he/she was raised in Nigeria

Wherever you are, install proper values and manners and leave the rest...

Flogging and brutality is not a sign of prpoee upbringing, especially if the youth still is a degenerate

Ugosample:


Africa has higher moral standards? ?

This guy must be a joker

With so much dishonesty and confusion, pretence and hypocrisy, you really think Africa is a better moral pedestal?

You are tripping

The first lie / training of dishonesty a lot of African parents instilk in their kids is....


you want to know it?


I'll tell you





"Segun, tell that man I'm not at home "

You all know that lie

The world is now something else, that's the truth

And it's not specific to any region

thebosstrevor:



i am tired of arguing with people like you
St lious, baltimore and chicaga are one of the most dangerous city in the world.

you can continue defending from morning till evening , it wont change my world view

thebosstrevor:



i am tired of arguing with people like you
St lious, baltimore and chicaga are one of the most dangerous city in the world.

you can continue defending from morning till evening , it wont change my world view

toboy:

great points there! I haven't been in Nigeria lately, so you definitely know better as to how things are changing. However, it is also important to look into some of the points raised by individuals abroad too, cuz they know how it feels here too.
I followed up the news with drug abuse in Nigeria. Correct me if I am wrong but it was Codein abuse with one of the cough medicine. When I complain of drugs here I mean cocain, Lysergic acid diethylamide, mushroom, edibles. etc.. Up to you to weigh which is more dangerous. Flogging and bruatality is not a sign of proper upbringing. I agree. Just for learning sake, what other suggestion would you recommend for proper upbringing?
For homosexuality and cross dressing, Its because the Nigerian society does not tolerate such they hide in shame for something that is not their fault to begin. I think its better for those individuals to migrate to other places where they are accepted, if they can.

toboy:

great points there! I haven't been in Nigeria lately, so you definitely know better as to how things are changing. However, it is also important to look into some of the points raised by individuals abroad too, cuz they know how it feels here too.
I followed up the news with drug abuse in Nigeria. Correct me if I am wrong but it was Codein abuse with one of the cough medicine. When I complain of drugs here I mean cocain, Lysergic acid diethylamide, mushroom, edibles. etc.. Up to you to weigh which is more dangerous. Flogging and bruatality is not a sign of proper upbringing. I agree. Just for learning sake, what other suggestion would you recommend for proper upbringing?
For homosexuality and cross dressing, Its because the Nigerian society does not tolerate such they hide in shame for something that is not their fault to begin. I think its better for those individuals to migrate to other places where they are accepted, if they can.

toboy:

great points there! I haven't been in Nigeria lately, so you definitely know better as to how things are changing. However, it is also important to look into some of the points raised by individuals abroad too, cuz they know how it feels here too.
I followed up the news with drug abuse in Nigeria. Correct me if I am wrong but it was Codein abuse with one of the cough medicine. When I complain of drugs here I mean cocain, Lysergic acid diethylamide, mushroom, edibles. etc.. Up to you to weigh which is more dangerous. Flogging and bruatality is not a sign of proper upbringing. I agree. Just for learning sake, what other suggestion would you recommend for proper upbringing?
For homosexuality and cross dressing, Its because the Nigerian society does not tolerate such they hide in shame for something that is not their fault to begin. I think its better for those individuals to migrate to other places where they are accepted, if they can.

Ugosample:


I still come to Nigeria from time to time tho
Adey ground at the moment
so I'm current

As for the homosexuals

We knew them in school, and they are proud of themselves

check out bobrisky....

There are others, but just check that one out now now and see.

People like him won't be bold 20 years back
I'm very sure of that

So NIGERIA is basically the same

baby mama, gangs (they call it cult here) drug abuse, 419, etc etc

Mizwisdom:





Ugosample doesn't live in Nig. he hasn't been here in ages. You can raise your kids how you want here with no one questioning your authority. You still encounter kids that fear adult, kneel to greet, prostrate, honor you as an adult. I live here.








holding you to ransom, kids get x

Ugosample:


Actions have consequences

That's the best way to raise a kid.....


From the beginning, every time! a child does wrong, make it clear that he has done wrong (reprimand) etc and let them face the consequences of their actions

That way, the child will better

I don't rule out flogging completely tho, as long as it is at a young age, and its done in a humane and not animalistic way.

To me, flogging should be for SERIOUS OFFENCES

but flogging day and night, all the time, for whatever is not the best

toboy:
It is really difficult especially when people won't be attentive to you due to pre-exiting biases and limited experience. But honestly, the benefit of having this sort of conversation is that people can get challenged on some of the issues they believe to be an entire truth.

Mizwisdom:




When you beat your child in Nig. can he or she call the police on u? when you do it abroad is it a possibility or not? So how can you say moral standards are the same?

thebosstrevor:


exactly.

many of the arguements are just based on confirmation bias.

Reality hasnt struck on some of them, the embassies wont give every one visas, many of them will stay and die in Nigeria, the western world are tighten their immigration requirements, it shows that in the next 5-10 years it will be very difficult for many Nigerians to immigrate.

now is the time for them to start building their country.