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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 10:42pm On Jan 02, 2019 |
luvmijeje: Dantedasz:luvmijeje, dont bother watching it, as you'll not only be draining your battery all over again but on top, this time you'll be wasting it over watching a 5-sec clip of an abject hireling and his partner in crime, who goes by the name Creflo Dollar. It is a very old Youtube video clip that featured here on the Religion forum more than once many years ago. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by chiedu7: 3:37am On Jan 03, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Mumu the verse u gave gives heirarchy Matthew 23:8-11 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 5:21am On Jan 03, 2019 |
chiedu7:"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." (Mt 12:34) You've shown that there's an abundance of spiritual ignorance and blindness inside of your heart, that it is overflowing through your mouth. You see, yet you cannot understand, as you don't know that it's because of the worldly mentality of likes of you that Jesus made that particular statement. I can fully understand the intentions of her heart is the same as that of Jesus here, even though she may not have aptly expressed them. And it is that intention of her heart that i'm therefore following and endorsing on this occasion. For what Jesus tried to eliminate or prevent here from becoming of His church, is exactly what has become of the church today, where they are no different from the gentiles and those of the world as was aptly conveyed on this occasion: And He said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. Luke 22:25KJV Did you hear that instruction "But ye shall not be so" from the Master, you that is not a mumu? So your spiritual blindness and ignorance is why you can see but yet not understand that that this saying of Jesus "that is greatest among you shall be your servant" was Him actually eliminating the worldly and gentile-like hierarchy as is being practiced by the likes of you of today church, but introducing that of the Kingdom of God to those of His church, where everyone serves and is yet equal, as brethren, branches, servants, sheep, etc. irrespective of such hierarchy. But I can understand why you don't want to lose the hierarchy type of the gentiles and those of the world of today's church, where those of you who are leading the sheep as being seen as gods, shepherds, masters, lords, fathers, kings, etc. Because you guys love to exercise authority and dominion over the sheeple, hence anyone that would dare threaten that would become a "mumu" to you. So i'll proudly be your "mumu" all day long. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 7:38am On Jan 03, 2019 |
bloodofthelamb:Jesusjr and luvmejeje are known for preaching heresies. 2 Likes |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 9:40am On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Are you going to forced your revelations down our gullets? If it is of God it will surely stand but if not I know it's dead on arrival. Please hasten these revelations so we can test them by the Spirit of God and also make sure you have peruse through the Scriptures so that your revelations won't contradict what has already been enclosed in it. Thanks. God bless you. 3 Likes |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 11:25am On Jan 03, 2019 |
It really feels good being called heretics by the Pharisees 2 and their blind sheeple, for that feels like being in the Master's shoes who was called a heretic and a blasphemer by the Pharisees 1 and their blind sheeple. Maybe it just remains the blasphemy part for me to become completely fulfilled and I just can't wait. Please the spiritually blind and ignorant should not make me wait for so long, for i'm getting desperate. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Janosky: 12:00pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
solite3: So, your 3 "Gods" are no longer co- equals? Oturugbeke !!!!!!! Your man made invention goes with contradictory versions. Confused bunch of LIARS !! 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 1:43pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Agrogbeide: I'm not forcing Sir. I'm only sharing. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 1:48pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 1:58pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Chillax. Two down, eight more to go. If at the end of unveiling 10 ways on why the teaching of Paul change the narrative of Christ's teaching still prompt you to ask why I'm challenging the teaching of Paul, then I'll look harder into the mirror. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 2:03pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Please feel free to. I promise I won't say, I told you... |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 2:22pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: I watched it and it's the absolute truth. You know I went to the cross over service 2 days ago. For the first time in a year I stepped into the church. The name of the church is Holy Ghost Christian Center. The pastor's name is Amos Fenwa. Do you know that I didn't wait till 12pm before leaving because of an event that took place. The Pastor climb the pulpit around 11pm. He said he has a revelation that a member of his church hit someone with a car. So everyone who had a car should come out to the altar. While those who don't sat down. I jejely picked my purse from the chair and went home. Some will not see anything wrong in this but I'll list 5 things that's wrong. 1. The church is now divided into the have and have not. 2. What makes him think those that have car now will still have it before the revelation takes place? 3. What makes him think those that don't have car now will not have it before the revelation takes place. 4. What makes him think that the accident will be cause by a car owner and not by a car or a bus borrower. 5. I was humiliated out of the church because I have no car. A place where I should be see with less judgement has now become a place I'm judge by my level of materiality. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 2:26pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Let me welcome you again to the world of opposition. 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 2:46pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:No wahala. We are waiting. 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 2:57pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:I would have done the same in that or similar circumstances. It is called perfecting the art of psychology and feeding on people's fears, insecurities, being naive and ignorant |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 3:02pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:There are things we agree on, there are things we both don't accept as being right but I don't see eye to eye with you on the issue of your discrediting Paul. Remember I said, I had the same opinion you had about Paul, but, I thank God, I found the error in my moment of lapse and misunderstanding of the whole issue. luvmijeje:You failed miserably the first find fault with Paul's teachings. Yoo would too with the second, third, fourth uop to the tenth If others turn whatever Paul wrote on its head, what part of it isnt Paul's fault., dont you understand? 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 3:24pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: After unveiling my 10 revelations, if you still find Paul faultless, I'll look harder into the mirror. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 3:27pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Finally. You agree with me on something. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 3:47pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:Hi sis! Hope you're good? You call this opposition? Na this is more like child's kindergarten play to me. If this was the kind of opposition that I would face, then I would go and sleep because the opposition would be to boring to keep me awake. Let me not even go into what I call opposition here, so that the children here would not have heart attack! It's really gonna get hot, just like it was in those days of the first church, because persecution arises because of the Word, and the Word is coming back to the church. So that's the kind of opposition that we've been prepared for by the Master, that's why His Word is so crucial, because that's what would make us to be so invincible in spite of any kind of opposition, even the gates of hell. So that is what i'm actually looking forward to. Yeah! |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Originakalokalo(m): 3:51pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
You are not running away from the church... You are running away from yourself... You are just looking for excuses to cover your fears... You want out of religion completely...to seek freedom to do whatever you want... It starts by questioning the word of God. All these excuses will not save you.... There are good churches out there if you really want to serve God...I go to one. Your belief is not hinged on anyone or any pastor. If you believe in Jesus, seek him by yourself. If you stop in believing in Jesus or God, that doesn't mean that God is not existing. It is just a belive... It still will not give you freedom. Freedom is not in any belief. It is in Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 4:39pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
luvmijeje:It doesn't invalidate that you are wrong and continue to be wrong in all your false accusations of Paul If I place a knife on a table, and you pick it up to use but you cut yourself, is the fault of hurting yourself my fault? Why didn't you use the knife carefully and properly? luvmijeje, your second accusation, on your second thread, as I knew it would be, is abysmal and disgracefully pitiful. Go to your "How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ (part 2)" thread and you'll see my response to it 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 9:04pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:You speak exactly like victor hafichuk and paul cohen... they were my mentors until i left christianity |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by TruthinAction: 9:12pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
Confused op and his likes. Apostle Paul built on the foundation Jesus laid. He did not contradict Jesus, rather, his teachings were revelations received from Jesus himself. Pls, stop posting useless and baseless contradiction between Jesus and Paul. There is no such thing. Jesus laid the foundation, Apostle Paul built on it. 2 Likes |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 9:36am On Jan 04, 2019 |
TruthinAction:The thing nor taya you my brother. Just waiting for these revelations. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by TruthinAction: 5:39pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Agrogbeide: The writing of Apostle Paul revealed so many things that are not contained in any other book not even the gospel. And these revelations were given to him by Jesus. 1. Apostle Paul revealed that we died with Jesus, buried with him and also rose together with him in the mind of divine justice. You do not read such things in any other book. 2. Apostle Paul talked about the mystery of church that were hidden in ages. That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and partakers of his promise in Christ. Even our Lord Jesus before his crucifixion did not see the church age. He taught his mission was for the Jews only. That was why he told the Canaanite woman that he was sent to the lost sheep of Isreal - Matthew 15:24. 3. Apostle Paul also revealed that when God made the promise to Abraham, he made it to him and his seed. He said that seed is Christ which includes the Church. So, we are the faith seed of Abraham. You don't get such revelations in any other book. 4. Apostle Paul taught us so clearly that the law of Moses has been abolished. You don't get such in any other book. 5. Apostle Paul revealed to us how the rapture will take place. This is not revealed to us in any other book. 6. Apostle Paul revealed to us the future plan God has for the Jews who are currently blind in part. You don't get this in any other book. I could go on and on. Please, stop posting contradiction between Jesus and Paul. Apostle Paul is a servant of Christ and he taught was his master revealed to him. 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Nobody: 6:10pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
TruthinAction:You are 100% on point bro. But let me quickly chip this one in, according to point number 2 the Lord Jesus Christ was aware of the Church age because He has not come to condemned but to save the world and that was while He said His gospel which is the gospel of God will be preached all over the world before the last trumpet sound. Simeon also by the Holy Spirit prophesied about this fact during the dedication of baby Jesus in Luke Chapter 2. In John chapter 17 Christ Jesus our Lord prayed for the disciples and Jews that has accepted Him and other Jews and Gentiles that have not accepted Him. He also said that what enters a man does not defiles Him and this was the claim He also use to disprove Peter when he rejected the food presented to him in his trance which when stated clearly is an indication of the fact that both Jews and Gentiles are the CHURCH and one in the Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you bro. More insight. 1 Like |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Kobojunkie: 5:27pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
luvmijeje:According to Jesus Christ, indeed, His followers are commanded against installing themselves into such hierarchies(positions of authority or leadership) over their bretheren as is found among the gentiles, as you rightly pointed out. I too disbelief Paul's supposed statement there which you point out as it stands in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ whom we are called to accept(trust) and obey. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Kobojunkie: 5:30pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
chiedu7:God Himself set up the Hierarchy you find spoken of as part of the Old Covenant. However, in the new Covenant, Jesus Christ did not set up any hierarchies. Instead, He stipulated that there should be none among His followers. Since Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that God sent to those who will be His followers, does it not make sense to accept what Jesus Christ said as the Truth of God that He is? chiedu7:Be careful that you always consider the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ in the context which they are given you. You mention Matthew 19, and if you look closely at the verse you quote, you realize quickly that Jesus Christ was not setting up a Hierarchy but instead telling His disciples of what was to come. He gave them a parable, in Matthew 20, explaining what He meant about the first being the last and the last shall be the first. Don't cherry-pick verses when you are trying to learn of Jesus Christ's teachings. Read to understand everything He says so you are not guilty of inserting your own meaning/interpretation into what He has declared. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Kobojunkie: 5:44pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
Quoting scriptures up and down doesn't mean you know God. All this Christians that loves quoting scriptures up and down but yet with little or no growth.There are in fact several contradictions between Paul's so-called teachings and the very Teachings of Jesus Christ. You would have to be in denial to pretend they do not exist. I know for a fact that what a lot of you have chosen to do instead is cling tightly to the words of Paul, ignoring Jesus Christ's own teachings, the very teachings that constitute the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, in order that you can continue to attend your church gatherings and mingle among others who dwell in the same mire that you have chosen for yourselves. Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, will not modify the word of Truth so suit your taste or denial. He made clear His teachings and it is His Word, the Truth of God, that is the fire that will test your works when He returns - Paul's words mean nothing if they do not align with the teachings of Jesus Christ. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Kobojunkie: 5:45pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
luvmijeje:9? Did you stop at 4 or something? |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Kobojunkie: 5:51pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
bloodofthelamb:First of all. Jesus Christ never said He was the "Chief" shepherd. He instead said He was the Good Shepherd - every other shepherd not good. And Secondly, Jesus admonished Peter to feed His lamb? Really? Well, according to the very same Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 31-36, Feed My lamb implies * Give them food when they are hungry * Give them a drink when they are thirsty Take Care of My Sheep implies * When they are naked, clothe them * When they are homeless, welcome them into your home * When they are sick, care for them * When they are in prison, visit them The reason many of you are deceived is you have bought into the lie of "special interpretation" of scripture, and by so doing, allowed the very same false prophets and teachers Jesus Christ warned you against to deceive you into believing the doctrines and commandments of men, lies that Jesus Christ warned you will only serve to nullify the power of God in your lives, rendering your supposed worship of God meaningless - which is exactly what has happened. |
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Kobojunkie: 5:59pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
Agrogbeide: Are you going to forced your revelations down our gullets? If it is of God it will surely stand but if not I know it's dead on arrival. Please hasten these revelations so we can test them by the Spirit of God and also make sure you have peruse through the Scriptures so that your revelations won't contradict what has already been enclosed in it.Are you certain you know the Spirit of God? I ask because according to Jesus Christ, only those who accept(trust) and obey His teaching/Commandments are His followers, and it is only to these that He and His Father will make their home in. So if you instead follow the teachings of Paul, which in many places stand contrary to the very teachings commandments of God as far as His Kingdom is concerned, How can you claim to have the Spirit of Jesus Christ living inside of you there?
The New Covenant as taught by Jesus Christ contains 46 commandments which are hardly addressed in the writtings of Paul. And again Jesus Christ stated that those who love Him are those who accept and obey His commandments. So if you do not obey Jesus Christ's commandments(teachings) but instead cling to a teaching that barely addresses the core commandments that Jesus Christ called His Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, how can you claim that Jesus Christ truly lives inside of you?
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