VICOiheaka:
keep quite my friend accept that jesus christ is the word of God made flesh read john 1:1

Lol it was a time of ignorance. I know better now.
Be nicer in correction next time pls.
Thanks all the same.

OLAADEGBU:
TATIME, your attention is needed here.

Pastor OLAADEGBU (Kumuyi's boy)
This was the invitation you gave me calling my attention to you post "how can one witness to a Jehovah's witness?" even when i never wanted to respond to the senseless question, because a WITNESS is someone with the FACTS of a matter, so there's no way a novice can stand before a competent WITNESS to say anything worthwhile since there's no proof to support such novice.
But after presenting all the facts to prove that your GO Mr Kumuyi is a thief, you turned a deaf hear only to come back saying "my response is ARGUMENT" adding "repent" I wonder how you can think of repentance when you're running away from FACTS.
Next time DON'T START WHAT YOU CAN'T FINNISH!
Nonsense and Ingredients!

johnw47:


faith without works is dead, means that once saved we do good works, we do not do good works to be saved, we do good works because we are saved....
saved christians have a living faith, doing good works whether much or little

Johnw satanic doctrine.

"I know your works and what you are doing, you are neither hot nor cold!
So,because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth" Rev 3:14-16,21.

"But he who endures to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13.
Hebr 10:26,27,36-39
Carry una satanic doctrine comot from here jare.

Falsehood na johnw DNA

VICOiheaka:
keep quite my friend accept that jesus christ is the word of God made flesh read john 1:1

U need deliverance from that popular man made invention in John 1:1 that is holding millions in bondage.
pls shine your eyes, Seriously!

TATIME:
Your GO {Mr Kumuyi} is a thief period! I've presented facts before you so you can call that argument since you can't face the TRUTH from God's word!

Is that supposed to qualify you for heaven?

OLAADEGBU:


Is that supposed to qualify you for heaven?

Genesis 1:26 Psalms 37:9-11,29 115:16 Proverbs 2:20-22
It's clear the first pair of human has NOTHING to do with qualifying for heaven! .
Jesus is the one who said "I am going to PREPARE a place for you" John 14:2,3
Clearly this HEAVENLY King wants His corulers to be with Him where they'll all be together as government officials working as a team for a just EARTHLY rule. Revelations 14:1&6
That's the ACCURATE knowledge of the scriptures, NOT every believer is going to heaven. Jesus said from the beginning until John (the baptist)that NONE of them is qualified to go to heaven. Matthew 11:11 WHY? Because
(1) God's promise to faithful humans is everlasting life ON EARTH(Psalms 37:29) and whoever qualifies as a righteous person will be entitled to that. It's what Adam forfeited so by HIS underserved kindness (GRACE) Adam's descendants can recover it!
(2) Those who will rule with Jesus in heaven must first become well trained to MINISTER(SLAVE) for others not the other way round as obtainable today! So if they've agreed with Jesus' teachings as Christians God will select FEW as in a LIMITED number amongst them to rule with HIS son. Jesus is not the one selecting them because it's the same process that He(Jesus) passed through. Matthew 3:16,17,20:20
So they must be baptised in water(declaring themselves publicly as Christians) and God will later baptize them with HIS Holy Spirit! Act 2:1-4
That's what Jesus meant by been BORN AGAIN! John 3:3-5. Nicodemus as a Jewish ruler was expecting to rule with the coming Messiah, so seeing the Messiah life now he seized the opportunity to ask him about the requirements! All these you need to learn and use in preaching and teaching people as a fully competent and completely equipped Christian(2Timothy 3:16,17) NOT just telling people "Heaven is real,Hell is real" stuff that Kumuyi is downloading in your brains!
That's why i told you that Kumuyi is a thief and blind guide,he's leading you to destruction!
I'm sure that if not because of NL you'll never sit down to listen and learn this TRUTH from Jehovah's witnesses, because Daddy GO (Mr Kumuyi) has told you that JWs are going to Hell!

Janosky:


U need deliverance from that popular man made invention in John 1:1 that is holding millions in bondage.
pls shine your eyes, Seriously!

who invented it, is it king james my friend you need deliverance from the spirit of segregation, continue to dwell in words of men. Before you talk pls ask for conviction and revelation from God

Janosky:


U need deliverance from that popular man made invention in John 1:1 that is holding millions in bondage.
pls shine your eyes, Seriously!

lol my friend we know who you are, a quoter of Gods word but a far cry from the life of truth your jw is known for hypocrisy even your founder committed suicide i pity your existence pls ask God the father for revelation

VICOiheaka:
lol my friend we know who you are, a quoter of Gods word but a far cry from the life of truth your jw is known for hypocrisy even your founder committed suicide i pity your existence pls ask God the father for revelation

Perhaps you're referring to a young man from Nazareth who has all the powers to
*Calm the Storms.
*Feed thousands with few items.
*Cure all sort of illnesses.
*Raise the dead
*Drive demons away.
*Restore any body part that's missing.
But surrendered Himself to be killed by His opposers.
Certainly whoever hears all that He could do and later heard how He died will say "Your founder committed suicide,i pity your existence"!
Jehovah's Witnesses have updated many of their teachings because they believed it's not a group following man-made doctrines but that of Christ, so each time they discover something in God's word, egotism or pride can't stop them from making needed adjustments.
So whoever you think is the founder of the group such person's ideology should have remained relevant till date,but as it is even as at 1925 Jehovah's Witnesses celebrated Christmas and today it has been scrapped! Showing you that Jesus is the one CORRECTING His followers just as He does when He was here in the flesh!

VICOiheaka:
who invented it, is it king james my friend you need deliverance from the spirit of segregation, continue to dwell in words of men. Before you talk pls ask for conviction and revelation from God

King James was the king of England and Scotland in the year 1620s,he knew NOTHING about what those translators were doing (in his name).
He loved to see his people read God's word in his mother tongue, so he ordered for the English version of the Bible (which has already been translated into other languages).
But the Church council don't want the Bible to be translated into a popular language most especially English! They have to include many of their man-made doctrines so that churchgoers won't uncover their falsehood. They ADDED so many things to their translation and asked James (the King) to authorize it,meaning NO other translation should be made in English apart from the KJV.
Most people that tried to revised the English version were killed because of these conspiracy e.g William Tyndale
If you're truly interested in the TRUTH. Compare these verses in KJV with other translations.
*Matthew 17:21
*Mark 9:44,46
*John 1:1
*1John 5:7
Other English translators came after KJV so they omitted those verses because the KJV has made the chapters and verses,at 1John 5:7 the council inserted their TRINITY ideology!

Janosky:


Johnw satanic doctrine.

"I know your works and what you are doing, you are neither hot nor cold!
So,because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth" Rev 3:14-16,21.

false jw jano, the church in laodicea didn't pass the test, their works showed them to not have that true living faith needed to be saved

Janosky:
"But he who endures to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13.
Hebr 10:26,27,36-39
Carry una satanic doctrine comot from here jare.

Falsehood na johnw DNA

know nothing false jw jano, those verses are not to do with being saved by works, in fact one of them says:
Heb 10:38  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

and the just are also saved through faith:

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 



false accuser jano,

i say exactly what scripture says, and you call it satanic doctrine,

and by saying diffrent to much of what God inspired, you call God a liar

Janosky:

Another junk "gospel " from a confirmed fraud.
Be not deceived !

ha ha, false accuser jano, i show how you lie and how you don't know the scriptures all the time, buy you haven't been able to show me being a fraud even once

When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not WORK for FOOD that spoils, but for FOOD that endures to eternal life, which the SON of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of APPROVAL.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the WORKS God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The WORK of God is this: to BELIEVE/FAITH in the one he has sent.”

johnw47:


, the church in laodicea didn't pass the test, their works showed them to not have that true living faith needed to be saved



those verses are not to do with being saved by works, in fact one of them says:
Heb 10:38  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

and the just are also saved through faith:

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

i say exactly what scripture says, and you call it satanic doctrine,

Johnw lying Pharisee dey shift goal post. Lol
Why would already "saved christians" need to pass any tests again since U claimed that their salvation is already guaranteed?

achorladey:
When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not WORK for FOOD that spoils, but for FOOD that endures to eternal life, which the SON of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of APPROVAL.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the WORKS God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The WORK of God is this: to BELIEVE/FAITH in the one he has sent.”

Please Sir, ITUMO? Are you saying FAITH has nothing to exhibit as qualities?
I think if "Buhari" gives orders as Nigeria's President, it's ONLY those who ACT accordingly could be said to BELIEVE/FAITH in him as their leader NOT those just going about chanting "SAI BABA" while they're knowingly or unknowingly ignoring his COMMAND
So are you saying, singing, clapping, dancing and praying in Jesus' name is what Christianity entails? Or the PRACTICING of all that He commanded? Matthew 28:19,20
Please do justice to that as you simplify your analysis Sir!

Janosky:


Johnw lying Pharisee dey shift goal post. Lol
Why would already "saved christians" need to pass any tests again since U claimed that their salvation is already guaranteed?

oh duh once again false accuser jano,
christians are tested all through their lives to further improve their faith and character,
it doesn't mean we were not already saved, however you know nothing off those truths

truly christians are saved by grace through faith, not of works:

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

but go on disbelieving God's word

johnw47:



oh duh once again false accuser jano,
christians are tested all through their lives to further improve their faith and character,
it doesn't mean we were not already saved, however you know nothing off those truths

truly christians are saved by grace through faith, not of works:

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

but go on disbelieving God's word

By FAITH not by WORKS! What about WORKING towards the instructions from Jesus Himself? Is that not a vital part of FAITH?
At Matthew 28:18-20 and Act 1:8 Jesus said His followers will reach the most distant part of the EARTH. Later they started speaking in tongue to reach many nations with the good news of God's kingdom. Act 2:1-12
Below is how many languages 80 to be precise that this number 1 social media could pass information GLOBALLY whereas JW is now speaking with our website 998 languages.
So at least 998 natives on earth can listen to God's word,oh sorry! Jehovah's Witnesses HERESY in their mother tongue! Well it's FAITH that's WORKING. James 2:26

TATIME:


Genesis 1:26 Psalms 37:9-11,29 115:16 Proverbs 2:20-22
It's clear the first pair of human has NOTHING to do with qualifying for heaven! .
Jesus is the one who said "I am going to PREPARE a place for you" John 14:2,3
Clearly this HEAVENLY King wants His corulers to be with Him where they'll all be together as government officials working as a team for a just EARTHLY rule. Revelations 14:1&6
That's the ACCURATE knowledge of the scriptures, NOT every believer is going to heaven. Jesus said from the beginning until John (the baptist)that NONE of them is qualified to go to heaven. Matthew 11:11 WHY? Because
(1) God's promise to faithful humans is everlasting life ON EARTH(Psalms 37:29) and whoever qualifies as a righteous person will be entitled to that. It's what Adam forfeited so by HIS underserved kindness (GRACE) Adam's descendants can recover it!
(2) Those who will rule with Jesus in heaven must first become well trained to MINISTER(SLAVE) for others not the other way round as obtainable today! So if they've agreed with Jesus' teachings as Christians God will select FEW as in a LIMITED number amongst them to rule with HIS son. Jesus is not the one selecting them because it's the same process that He(Jesus) passed through. Matthew 3:16,17,20:20
So they must be baptised in water(declaring themselves publicly as Christians) and God will later baptize them with HIS Holy Spirit! Act 2:1-4
That's what Jesus meant by been BORN AGAIN! John 3:3-5. Nicodemus as a Jewish ruler was expecting to rule with the coming Messiah, so seeing the Messiah life now he seized the opportunity to ask him about the requirements! All these you need to learn and use in preaching and teaching people as a fully competent and completely equipped Christian(2Timothy 3:16,17) NOT just telling people "Heaven is real,Hell is real" stuff that Kumuyi is downloading in your brains!
That's why i told you that Kumuyi is a thief and blind guide,he's leading you to destruction!
I'm sure that if not because of NL you'll never sit down to listen and learn this TRUTH from Jehovah's witnesses, because Daddy GO (Mr Kumuyi) has told you that JWs are going to Hell!

Supposing you see a man who has been stabbed in his back and only has 3 minutes to live, what would you tell him to do before he can enter the Kingdom of God?

TATIME:
Please Sir, ITUMO? Are you saying FAITH has nothing to exhibit as qualities?
I think if "Buhari" gives orders as Nigeria's President, it's ONLY those who ACT accordingly could be said to BELIEVE/FAITH in him as their leader NOT those just going about chanting "SAI BABA" while they're knowingly or unknowingly ignoring his COMMAND
So are you saying, singing, clapping, dancing and praying in Jesus' name is what Christianity entails? Or the PRACTICING of all that He commanded? Matthew 28:19,20
Please do justice to that as you simplify your analysis Sir!

TATIME: Please Sir, ITUMO? Are you saying FAITH has nothing to exhibit as qualities?

Achorladey: What is "FAITH"?.Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

From here you can get to understand what faith is. Does FAITH has qualities? Faith in JESUS will assist an individual to develop every other FRUITAGE of the spirit as highlighted in Galatians 5: 22-23.


TATIME: I think if "Buhari" gives orders as Nigeria's President,

Achorladey: Let me break this down, "ORDERS" are different from a statement of fact or what I can term REALITY STATEMENT. John 6: 29 is what I call REALITY STATEMENT. You can choose to accept or Ignore. But as for ORDER most times backed by law are not meant to be IGNORED, they are meant to be followed to the LETTER.


TATIME: it's ONLY those who ACT accordingly could be said to BELIEVE/FAITH in him as their leader NOT those just going about chanting "SAI BABA" while they're knowingly or unknowingly ignoring his COMMAND.

Achorladey: As long it remains a COMMAND it is backed up by law, some acting ACCORDINGLY does not necessarily mean they BELIEVE/FAITH in what BUHARI is doing they might not want to disobey his ORDERS as it were. So there FAITH is based on the ORDER backed by law, it is not what they will readily do if no ORDER is GIVEN. Those that DO NOT act ACCORDINGLY can still be said to HAVE FAITH in BUHARI only that this PARTICULAR ORDER goes beyond what they can FOLLOW.

TATIME: So are you saying, singing, clapping, dancing and praying in Jesus' name is what Christianity entails?

Achorladey: NO is the answer. But all of those things are what Christians today do which should never be seen as lack of FAITH. Don't forget all of those things PAUL and SILAS did in PRISON Acts 16:25. Were Paul and Silas commanded to do so? NO, but what they did led to that EARTHQUAKE that free them from prison bonds.

TATIME: Or the PRACTICING of all that He commanded? Matthew 28:19,20.

Achorladey: Matthew 9:29,30

Then he touched their eyes and said,“According to your FAITH let it be done to you”; 30 and their sight was restored. Jesus WARNED them sternly, “See that no one KNOWS about this.” 31 But they went out and SPREAD the news about him all over that region.

SO WERE THE BLIND MEN FOLLOWING JESUS COMMANDS OR WARNING AS STATED IN Matthew 9:29,30? Brother FAITH no be by following command ooooo. Faith will make you do things that go FAR and ABOVE commandments. ln fact FAITH does the UNEXPECTED sometimes.


TATIME: Please do justice to that as you simplify your analysis Sir!

Achorladey: I hope the analysis you seek is contained in this reply to your post. Something for you to consider though, CAN YOU LEGALIZE FAITH or LEGISLATE FAITH? Don't forget JESUS our LEADER said FAITH will make us do DEEDS greater THAN what he DID.


Simply........FAITH IS NOT BACKED BY WORKS OF LAW. FAITH PUSH YOU TO DO WORKS SOMETIMES, BEYOND THE IMAGINABLE.

John 6:29 The WORK of GOD is FAITH FAITH FAITH.
AND NOT
The FAITH of GOD is WORK WORK WORK.

OLAADEGBU:


Supposing you see a man who has been stabbed in his back and only has 3 minutes to leave, what would you tell him to do before he can enter the Kingdom of God?

Good question!
*What has he been doing all this while about the news concerning Jesus of Nazareth?
*What led to the stab in his back?
*What is his last wish,now that he is dying?
The last few minutes of Jesus' life answered these questions!
Two condemned criminals were impaled beside Jesus,one to the right and the other to the left.
Obviously both of them has heard a lot about Jesus before this tragic encounter.
One demanded an escape (perhaps Jesus should use His God's given power to free them and Himself)
The other ACCEPTED his wrongdoing, REPENTED of all his past deeds,PLEADED with Jesus for his salvation (even while Jesus is also dying) and wholeheartedly BELIEVED what Jesus told him!
I'm not Jesus but i can offer him two choices.
Is he willing listen to the instructions Jesus ordered those to be saved even if it means his end presently? That last minutes if he listens and agreed with Jesus' terms and conditions, of course he has Jesus' promise!{Luke 23:43}
Or Will he start making unnecessary demands from someone whom knew much more than him?{Luke 23:39}
The ball is in his court!

achorladey:

As long it remains a COMMAND it is backed up by law, some acting ACCORDINGLY does not necessarily mean they BELIEVE/FAITH in what BUHARI is doing they might not want to disobey his ORDERS as it were. So there FAITH is based on the ORDER backed by law, it is not what they will readily do if no ORDER is GIVEN. Those that DO NOT act ACCORDINGLY can still be said to HAVE FAITH in BUHARI only that this PARTICULAR ORDER goes beyond what they can FOLLOW.

This is where you've been deceived my friend.
Jesus is the King of God's kingdom, all Israelites have been expecting to see the Messiah {JEHOVAH'S anointed one}, those who RECOGNISED Jesus when He appeared as the Christ (Messiah) like Peter, Matthew and the rest WEREN'T FINDING HIS COMMANDS PALATABLE! John 6:66-69,Luke 5:4,5
But it's because the LAW they claims to believe in before the coming of the Messiah says "you must OBEY Him when He arrives" Deuteronomy 18:15-19 That is why those twelve Jews stick to whatever Jesus ORDERED them to do so Jesus prayed fervently for them! John 17:8,9
So my friend, those who heard faith in Jesus back then did so BECAUSE THE LAWS ASKED THEM TO DO SO!
When they were preaching amongst the Jews, Peter said they should repent and be baptised in JESUS' name! Act 2:38 because this people already knew what God's law says about the Messiah but they didn't realise that Jesus is that Messiah!
You'll notice that Jesus asked them to go and teach the peoples baptising them in the name of THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT. Matthew 28:19,20 Whereas Peter only told the Jews baptise in JESUS' NAME! Act 2:38
Well it's because the peoples from other nations must FIRST learn about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. What God's word said about the Messiah,who turns out to be the Messiah, What are the ORDERS from the Messiah and how the Holy Spirit is helping the believers to cope with the NEW PERSONALITY that the Messiah exhibited before they're baptized! All these the Jews are already aware of except that Jesus the carpenter from Nazareth was their long expected Messiah!

achorladey:
John 6:29 The WORK of GOD is FAITH FAITH FAITH.

AND NOT

The FAITH of GOD is WORK WORK WORK.

Israelites learnt from the patriarch Abraham that it's by WORKS that FAITH becomes obvious! James 2:21
But now they NEED to IDENTIFY the Messiah in whom the must EXERCISE FAITH! Meaning whatever Jesus COMMANDED them to do MUST be done!
Take note that Abraham was ordered to go and sacrifice Isaac (his only son) and he didn't hesitate to do so. Genesis 22:16
Well that ACTION was counted for Abraham as WORK and is what made him JEHOVAH'S friend! James 2:23
So my friend if your FAITH doesn't move you into doing something VIRTUOUS as in WORKS, IT IS DEAD! James 2:26

TATIME:


Good question!
*What has he been doing all this while about the news concerning Jesus of Nazareth?
*What led to the stab in his back?
*What is his last wish,now that he is dying?
The last few minutes of Jesus' life answered these questions!
Two condemned criminals were impaled beside Jesus,one to the right and the other to the left.
Obviously both of them has heard a lot about Jesus before this tragic encounter.
One demanded an escape (perhaps Jesus should use His God's given power to free them and Himself)
The other ACCEPTED his wrongdoing, REPENTED of all his past deeds,PLEADED with Jesus for his salvation (even while Jesus is also dying) and wholeheartedly BELIEVED what Jesus told him!
I'm not Jesus but i can offer him two choices.
Is he willing listen to the instructions Jesus ordered those to be saved even if it means his end presently? That last minutes if he listens and agreed with Jesus' terms and conditions, of course he has Jesus' promise!{Luke 23:43}
Or Will he start making unnecessary demands from someone whom knew much more than him?{Luke 23:39}
The ball is in his court!

A person is about dying and you are bombarding him with all these questions? What instructions are you going to give him in his last dying minute?

TATIME:
Israelites learnt from the patriarch Abraham that it's by WORKS that FAITH becomes obvious! James 2:21
But now they NEED to IDENTIFY the Messiah in whom the must EXERCISE FAITH! Meaning whatever Jesus COMMANDED them to do MUST be done!
Take note that Abraham was ordered to go and sacrifice Isaac (his only son) and he didn't hesitate to do so. Genesis 22:16
Well that ACTION was counted for Abraham as WORK and is what made him JEHOVAH'S friend! James 2:23
So my friend if your FAITH doesn't move you into doing something VIRTUOUS as in WORKS, IT IS DEAD! James 2:26

TATIME: Isrealities learnt from the patriarch Abraham that it's by WORKS that FAITH becomes obvious! James 2:21

ACHORLADEY: Why do people SEE ABRAHAM as FATHER of FAITH? WHY IS HE NOT CALLED FATHER of WORKS? Simple they discern all the WORKS he did was BECAUSE FAITH pushed him to do so.

TATIME: But now they NEED to IDENTIFY the Messiah in whom the must EXERCISE FAITH!

ACHORLADEY: Despite the numerous WORKS done by JESUS even in his HOMETOWN, did his people including some of his FAMILY members EXERCISE FAITH or Identify him as MESSIAH? No wonder Jesus was surprised about them DESPITE his numerous WORKS his people HAVE no FAITH.


TATIME: Meaning whatever Jesus COMMANDED them to do MUST be done!

ACHORLADEY: Obviously you did not read Matthew 9: 29,30. Did all those JESUS commanded and warned followed his COMMANDMENT. When those people disregard the commandment did JESUS disregard them?

TATIME: Take note that Abraham was ordered to go and sacrifice Isaac (his only son) and he didn't hesitate to do so. Genesis 22:16.

ACHORLADEY: God gave Abraham instructions not a LAW, no law back then requires people to SACRIFICE their SONS/DAUGHTER to GOD. Abraham can choose to follow or disregard the instruction. That Abraham followed was due to FAITH not WORKS.

TATIME: Well that ACTION was counted for Abraham as WORK and is what made him JEHOVAH'S friend! James 2:23.

ACHORLADEY: His friendship with GOD was it as a result of WORKS or FAITH?


TATIME: So my friend if your FAITH doesn't move you into doing something VIRTUOUS as in WORKS, IT IS DEAD! James 2:26.

ACHORLADEY: You have only be going round in circles, your concluding statement gave you away, FAITH moves you to do things(WORKS) and not WORKS move you to EXERCISE FAITH, before you can do any WORK of CHRIST, the first thing is to EXERCISE FAITH in him. John 6:29.

TATIME:
This is where you've been deceived my friend.
Jesus is the King of God's kingdom, all Israelites have been expecting to see the Messiah {JEHOVAH'S anointed one}, those who RECOGNISED Jesus when He appeared as the Christ (Messiah) like Peter, Matthew and the rest WEREN'T FINDING HIS COMMANDS PALATABLE! John 6:66-69,Luke 5:4,5
But it's because the LAW they claims to believe in before the coming of the Messiah says "you must OBEY Him when He arrives" Deuteronomy 18:15-19 That is why those twelve Jews stick to whatever Jesus ORDERED them to do so Jesus prayed fervently for them! John 17:8,9
So my friend, those who heard faith in Jesus back then did so BECAUSE THE LAWS ASKED THEM TO DO SO!
When they were preaching amongst the Jews, Peter said they should repent and be baptised in JESUS' name! Act 2:38 because this people already knew what God's law says about the Messiah but they didn't realise that Jesus is that Messiah!
You'll notice that Jesus asked them to go and teach the peoples baptising them in the name of THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT. Matthew 28:19,20 Whereas Peter only told the Jews baptise in JESUS' NAME! Act 2:38
Well it's because the peoples from other nations must FIRST learn about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. What God's word said about the Messiah,who turns out to be the Messiah, What are the ORDERS from the Messiah and how the Holy Spirit is helping the believers to cope with the NEW PERSONALITY that the Messiah exhibited before they're baptized! All these the Jews are already aware of except that Jesus the carpenter from Nazareth was their long expected Messiah!

Oga TATIME face the issues, I am not here on NAIRALAND to point out who is being DECEIVED or NOT. Centre your discussion around the issues. See it as opportunity of having a bible based discussion.

All what I can see here is making BIBLE SCRIPTURE fits your own IDEA, Peter said CHRIST is the MESSIAH and Jesus said that flesh and blood didn't reveal it to PETER. Is it the LAW that impress it UPON Peter to utter such statement?

You cited John 6:66-69 but you abandoned 6: 29 I have been quoting and citing since. What Work did Christ ask all CHRISTIANS and would be CHRISTIAN to do is BELIEVE, HAVE FAITH. Why did JESUS say so? Simply because WITHOUT FAITH it is IMPOSSIBLE to PLEASE or WORK for GOD.

OLAADEGBU:


A person is about dying and you are bombarding him with all these questions? What instructions are you going to give him in his last dying minute?

He has spent all his time while all sort of preachers have come across him(Ecclesiastes 12:1),so his ATTITUDE towards them is what God will use to judge him! Luke 16:29-31
If he NEVER had interest in learning about God,his life is just a waste. The thieves beside Jesus had that last chance and one of them seized the opportunity to gain salvation while the other lost gallantly!
So i'm not the one who will decide what will happen to him next but his ATTITUDE towards all that he has heard about Jesus will work for him.

achorladey:


Oga TATIME face the issues, I am not here on NAIRALAND to point out who is being DECEIVED or NOT. Centre your discussion around the issues. See it as opportunity of having a bible based discussion.

All what I can see here is making BIBLE SCRIPTURE fits your own IDEA, Peter said CHRIST is the MESSIAH and Jesus said that flesh and blood didn't reveal it to PETER. Is it the LAW that impress it UPON Peter to utter such statement?

You cited John 6:66-69 but you abandoned 6: 29 I have been quoting and citing since. What Work did Christ ask all CHRISTIANS and would be CHRISTIAN to do is BELIEVE, HAVE FAITH. Why did JESUS say so? Simply because WITHOUT FAITH it is IMPOSSIBLE to PLEASE or WORK for GOD.

Great! Please let your own ideas also fit in or let the scriptures fit in to your ideas too. But if my explanations FITS IN to the quoted texts and you can't present ANOTHER religious group whose explanation FITS IN as well then i've got NO more to say. God bless you!

achorladey:


TATIME: Isrealities learnt from the patriarch Abraham that it's by WORKS that FAITH becomes obvious! James 2:21

ACHORLADEY: Why do people SEE ABRAHAM as FATHER of FAITH? WHY IS HE NOT CALLED FATHER of WORKS? Simple they discern all the WORKS he did was BECAUSE FAITH pushed him to do so.

FAITH pushed Abraham to do WORKS right?
But it was the WORKS that's obvious while his strong FAITH is UNSEEN as in INVISIBLE to whoever is just looking at Abraham's face!
So we're still saying the same thing my friend, Jehovah's Witnesses are doing a lot of WORKS today and it's our FAITH which you can't SEE that's PUSHING us into action to do the WORKS you're SEEING! James 2:18

TATIME:
Great! Please let your own ideas also fit in or let the scriptures fit in to your ideas too. But if my explanations FITS IN to the quoted texts and you can't present ANOTHER religious group whose explanation FITS IN as well then i've got NO more to say. God bless you!

You can't even get a hold of the statement "allowing Bible speak for itself". Now you know why the organization of JWs is what it is.

You know the religious group you belong, that is a NON ISSUE.

@achorladey
It's not easy to change or erase the colour of an object "from the minds of an observer who has eyes to SEE". You can only deceive a blind man that blue is yellow since that one can't SEE. In this case,everyone can SEE Jehovah's Witnesses and our good WORKS so if you've saying we're not Christians then PRESENT, POINT, NAME, DIRECT, SHOW observers another religious group that's PERFORMING better than JWs. But to ERASE fine works in the pretext of saying their is FAITH whereas NOTHING is SEEN to justify such FAITH? Haba my friend, that's the most difficult task for any deceiver not when the audience are SEEING things CLEARLY!
I'm responding to your posts not because you've got something tangible to say against your Parent's FAITH but i'm responding so that sincere observers with pure hearts will realise that you're only directing your blows towards the wind. You've got nothing as in NOTHING to say to discredit God's people! Isaiah 54:17

achorladey:


You can't even get a hold of the statement "allowing Bible speak for itself". Now you know why the organization of JWs is what it is.

You know the religious group you belong, that is a NON ISSUE.

The Bible is God's word Sir and Paul said it is for teaching,reproving, setting matters straight, disciplining in righteousness so that the man of God may be fully competent and completely equipped for every good WORK! 2Timothy 3:16,17
So Jesus concludes by saying "by their fruit" and James said "vivid WORKS". You've not PRESENTED any other group that's PERFORMING better than JWs my friend,I think it's unfair to discourage a person who is SEEING their fine WORKS not to associate with them!